hey guys i was just surfing on the web and i found a thread bashing the LS saying that the cl can whoop the ls v8 now i own a 2004 ls sport and my freind has a cl and i raced him and i beat him by almost 3 cars we did this several times an same thing, now the link to the page is http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43866 take a look and what do you guys think, is this true about the LS or what.

Its funny that this thread came up. I was next to a 03+ CL-S with a 6-speed last night and the kid in the car was laughing. We both launched at the same time and by the time I shifted from 1-2 in SST I was already 1 car ahead of him. I reacted late and over revved the shift and finally got it into 2nd gear. He caught up a tiny bit. After my second gear I had 2 full car lengths on him. I messed up the shift to 3rd by over revving again! (was so pissed) He finally gave up as by 70mph he was too far behind to catch up to me.

I always wanted the CL-S for a while too, but after seeing that last night my feelings really changed against them. Its another car that Honda/Acura pay off all the Car and Driver/Motor Trend staff to hype up the numbers on their cars.

yup i feel the same way - i mean dont get me wrong its a nice car the cl but i think it cant beat a V8 LS --

I totally agree with you guys.

hey should i make a account on that thread and give them a peace of my mind since obviously they dont know about the LS -- they dont know that a 2003 v8 can do 6.4 to 60

ok i registered to thier site and did a post and i also invited them to post on this site any comments that they wished about the LS vs CL

hey should i make a account on that thread and give them a peace of my mind since obviously they dont know about the LS -- they dont know that a 2003 v8 can do 6.4 to 60



Some of them didn't have their facts straight, but I didn't really see where they were bashing on the LS. Unless I didn't see some some other posts or something.

Nevertheless the Gen 1 LS will beat em and the Gen 2 LS will absolutely rape them. Hey, put a link to this thread in that forum. hehe. Maybe some good tech talk will result from it. :D

I don't think they bashed the LS at all really. I mean it's an Acura website, so there is obviously going to be a little bias. Hell, according to this website the LS has never lost a race, destroys mustangs and camaros all day. You did realize that thread was over five years old, right?

yea i did but hey its never too late to put my 2 cents in and i did put a link to this thread on their site, and venom-linc your right according to this site we havent lossed a race yet LOL --

I love the LS but according to edmunds a 2001 2-door coupe 3.2L type S comes with 260 hp 232 ft-lbs torque and weighs in around 3500 lbs with a 0-60 in 6.3...compare that to a 2001 4-dr 3.9L LS with 252 hp 267 ft.lbs torque weighing in at a comparable 3600 lbs. but with a stock 0-60 of 7.2 (according to edmunds).

Now 1/4 mile times may differ as the LS gains way more power once it gets rolling but I think 5 years ago (2001) the acura may have been a little quicker. U guys think the LS will make up that much time in 1/4 if those edmunds #'s are correct?

And yea...u guys are totally right about LS owners rarely reporting a loss in this forum or anywhere for that matter.

Obviously I've lost several and I posted a huge list under some forum in here. But who really wants to hear about the LS lose, especially in an LS forum? lol.

Besides, people will always remember someones claims to have won a race more than their admissions of defeat (unless the defeat is really unbelievable). And assuming v-linc was talkin about my post praising the XCal just to make sure we're clear I didnt really destroy that mustang, I just won by about 1 1/2 - 2 cars and Ive never raced a camaro. Every time before that I got my ass handed to me by the stang and honestly I've never beat one on the freeway in an "error-free" race...it is only out of the hole that I have a chance....lol. Like I said, I totally get what you are saying, but honestly I think most of the glory stories reported in automotive forums carry some truth but are simply exaggerated or only partially reported.

Me....I only report the good stuff.. ;0)

Who cares, LS is much more beautiful anyway, I'd rather have that than bragging rights that I go fast in a straight line. I have nothing against Acura's though.

Who cares, LS is much more beautiful anyway, I'd rather have that than bragging rights that I go fast in a straight line. I have nothing against Acura's though.
Totally agreed. I think the sleek look of the LS is overlooked by the average car buyer. I think it is one of the best looking cars on the road (obviously, you would hope so anyways..lol)

Totally agreed. I think the sleek look of the LS is overlooked by the average car buyer. I think it is one of the best looking cars on the road (obviously, you would hope so anyways..lol)




Speaking of the whole looks thing, I actually bothered to wash my LS thoroughly today! I really seen what my wheels look like without all the brakedust on them. I actually bothered to even take a picture of it too. ;) One of these years I will upload them. :shifty:

Well I have an 03 LS and i can tell you my LS does EASILY better than 7sec 0-60. My 95 Ford Taurus SHO did 7.2 with 150,000 miles and all i did to it was underdrive pulleys, and driving both i know my LS will smoke the SHO. Anyway, a portion of a race has to do with the driver but car for car the LS will beat the CL hands down....Gen 1 or Gen 2. If a CL beat an LS well good job you beat gramps.

stealth my thoughts exactly

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This is a 01 LS V8, and a 03 CL-S (auto).... It has been tried many times in many different situations, the CL-S is just faster. I cant speak for a gen 2 but I'm thinking it's not gonna happen (It may, i dont know). With both in stock form, the CL-S is just more of a car in the straight line. Cant say in the turns, we havent really pushed them competitivley.

Top end rolls, these cars are almost identical.

i got the V6 lS and my friend has an 02 CL-S.. we never really ran a 1/4 mile.. but when he uses that triptronic shifting.. he's out.. cant say much about the V8 ls though.. havent seen them run much..

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This is a 01 LS V8, and a 03 CL-S (auto).... It has been tried many times in many different situations, the CL-S is just faster. I cant speak for a gen 2 but I'm thinking it's not gonna happen (It may, i dont know). With both in stock form, the CL-S is just more of a car in the straight line. Cant say in the turns, we havent really pushed them competitivley.

Top end rolls, these cars are almost identical.


Now that I look at it again, when driven properly a Gen 1 LS V8 will be very close to beating an Auto CL-S. It would really come down to a drivers race. Both run low, low 15's stock. The high 14 second times you see from the CL-S community are the 6 speed manual times. A Gen 2 LS will have a auto CL-S by close to half a second and will be a tenth or two faster than the manual CL-S both in stock form.

For any of you pre '03 drivers, you really need to drive a Gen2 Ls to appreciate it. My 03 is the only one I have driven, but it's performance is very satisfactory, especially with Torrie's magic running it. :) It's no Mustang GT, Z28 or WS6 but it is a good compromise between luxury and performance which is what it's supposed to be.

hey guys i was just surfing on the web and i found a thread bashing the LS saying that the cl can whoop the ls v8 now i own a 2004 ls sport and my freind has a cl and i raced him and i beat him by almost 3 cars we did this several times an same thing, now the link to the page is http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43866 take a look and what do you guys think, is this true about the LS or what.

You do realize that post is FIVE YEARS OLD don't you?

i say 8 cylinders is better then 6, so i would put my money on the LS from a roll anytime..

i say 8 cylinders is better then 6, so I would put my money on the LS from a roll anytime..
I have a v8 in the driveway and a 1.3 (Stock) in the garage and I'd put the 1.3 against the v8 in the driveway(without question) any day.. :D

As far as calling a gen1 LS V8 against a CL-S a drivers race...... I don't think so. Put two equal drivers behind these cars and the result is the same. Swap drivers, standing start, different RPM launches, traction, no traction, manual, auto, rolling start from almost every mph up to 30. We played almost every day for 3 months on the way to work, as well as made high speed multi-state runs together. Maybe my LS is just slow, but I don't think that's the case when looking at the other cars I've played with and the results of those encounters. Or maybe the CL-S i've been playing with is just a bastard outta the factory, but I'm thinking that's not the case either.....

Not trying to pick a side, this is just an honest comparison from two guys that work side by side everyday. The LS has it's goods points...... Like doing donuts in the middle of traffic, smoking out the competition ect..ect...(Accident I swear, it was wet)

From 45-50 to whatever (130-140) this is an even race; we haven't been able to shake each other.

We would like to see how the CL-S can hang with a Gen2 LS, any takers near southern Indiana for a friendly race post back, (03 Stock, Auto, Gets slow in 4th (between 115-130) when it falls off the big lobes)

You do realize that post is FIVE YEARS OLD don't you?


Yes, I was simply making a comment on the Gen1 versus Gen2 LS. Also, comparing a stock 03+ LS with one running a tune from Torrie is interesting as well. Not having ran it down the 1/4 it's all speculation of course, but his tune really makes the 03+ LS a little screamer. :)

i'd like to see a race with the cls and one of the rare manual ls cars. i wonder if that would make a difference? you know stick vs. stick....another thing is the cls has a decent size aftermarket world too, and the ls well we don't have much. plus the cls is a coupe and it's an import which typically have more power than american as much as i hate to say it. i'm not saying a think the ls would smoke the cls or visa versa i just think they are both nice cars, but not really in the same league.

I live near Dayton Ohio and I have a Gen1 LS8 that is tuned out to just about Gen2 specs so where exactly are you from slvrls?

-Scott-

since you guys are neck and neck from 50 all the way up tells me that your losing due to gearing. better gears in 03+ + the vvt and extra power and I think the 03+ beats the cls.

I live near Dayton Ohio and I have a Gen1 LS8 that is tuned out to just about Gen2 specs so where exactly are you from slvrls?

-Scott-


About 50 miles south of Cincinnati on the river. Not a gen 2, but sounds like fun anyway. At least this way we wont have to listen to the bench racing anymore eh?:D

How do your number compare to a gen2? How much did you pick up with the Xcal?

since you guys are neck and neck from 50 all the way up tells me that your losing due to gearing. better gears in 03+ + the vvt and extra power and I think the 03+ beats the cls.


yeah, my guess is the 03 and up will beat the CL-S. I fully disagree with a stock gen 1 LS beating a CL-S with all things being equal.

yeah, my guess is the 03 and up will beat the CL-S. I fully disagree with a stock gen 1 LS beating a CL-S with all things being equal.
Ditto. But a gen 1 LS with exhaust, intake, and the XCal will dust any stock CL-S. ;0)

Ditto. But a gen 1 LS with exhaust, intake, and the XCal will dust any stock CL-S. ;0)

agreed....... but it will be fun anyway

Why did someone here bump a 5 year old thread? They really didn't bash it at all.

heres my 2 cents i recently got my 88 Mark VII rear ended at a red light by a Acura TL .. can u say was a nice car the owner of that car was rear ended by a Honda Pilot and then pushed into me. The back of that car looked like a full size SUV hit it. I read that thread about build quality. and laughed if the back door wrinkles up and popped open immediatly when struck what does that say about Acura's not only build quality but safety wise. I have the pics on my cell been to lazy to post them but i will. And the nose of the car pushed my bumper up and wripped down my passenger rear exhaust again build quality sucks on an Acura thats why there are so many in the shops and in junk yards because they fall apart so easily. Ill post pics of what it did to the back on my lincoln soon.

Yea I agree w/ on build quality. My dad gets tons of Acura's, Bimmers and Lexus' in at his shop and he says the Acura's are nice but damn do they get crushed if hit. But again, maybe they are suppose to fold up like a can(absurb the force) and be written off after.

if there is any Acura CL's around iowa i would like to put my 02 LS8 stock against it... there is a track near by me or the street eather way..

heres my 2 cents i recently got my 88 Mark VII rear ended at a red light by a Acura TL .. can u say was a nice car the owner of that car was rear ended by a Honda Pilot and then pushed into me. The back of that car looked like a full size SUV hit it. I read that thread about build quality. and laughed if the back door wrinkles up and popped open immediatly when struck what does that say about Acura's not only build quality but safety wise. I have the pics on my cell been to lazy to post them but i will. And the nose of the car pushed my bumper up and wripped down my passenger rear exhaust again build quality sucks on an Acura thats why there are so many in the shops and in junk yards because they fall apart so easily. Ill post pics of what it did to the back on my lincoln soon.



WOW............ build quality Ford Vs Honda, Hmmmmmmm... You cant be serious. Are you? The TL absorbed the impact of a FULL SIZE SUV and didnt transfer ALL that energy to your car. Thats impressive design, and engineering if you ask me.

Just because i own an LS doesnt automatically make it the best car in the world. There are plenty of better cars I'd like to have. I like the LS for what it is, but lets not put it on a pedestal.

I do agree with the LS being a stout car, I ran off the road and hit a Hillside. It stayed togather pretty well considering the speed i was going. That doesnt mean the build quality is better though. The force trasmitted from the impact destroyed all the interior peices of the car(Parts blew out of the dash, center console blew out etc.etc.etc...).

WOW............ build quality Ford Vs Honda, Hmmmmmmm... You cant be serious. Are you? The TL absorbed the impact of a FULL SIZE SUV and didnt transfer ALL that energy to your car. Thats impressive design, and engineering if you ask me.

Just because i own an LS doesnt automatically make it the best car in the world. There are plenty of better cars I'd like to have. I like the LS for what it is, but lets not put it on a pedestal.

I do agree with the LS being a stout car, I ran off the road and hit a Hillside. It stayed togather pretty well considering the speed i was going. That doesnt mean the build quality is better though. The force trasmitted from the impact destroyed all the interior peices of the car(Parts blew out of the dash, center console blew out etc.etc.etc...).



The Acura was sitting behind me at the red light and yes it took 1 hell of a hit and was pushed into me all u saw was the skid marks from it being rammed into me. Like i said the nose of the Acura went under me i never said it recovered lol. The nose actually was on the ground as well as the hood and when i looked inside the acura the dash hasd fallen into the passenger seat. Plus the acura owner had a small child in the back seat that was in a seat restraint that still would have allowed her to be ejected from a car that buckeled and then popped open the back doors. also the back seats where shifted forward as to the little child in the back seat was fine but shaken up pretty badly. Now if u want to see a tank of a vehicle That Honda Pilot only had the License plate holder and plate bent no dents at all not even a buckle of the hood. i have pics on my cell of that as well and again me being lazy lol. will get to it.

Any car that gets hit from the rear and the doors automatically pop open leaves concern to me. Oh and i see that u said full size suv i think u misread what i was saying. A honda pilot is a small vehicle no bigger than my mark. i said it looked like it took a hit from a full size suv. But acura are good looking cars. But as always since i could remember i have always been a Ford, Lincoln, Mercury fella lol...

You do realize that post is FIVE YEARS OLD don't you?


yea i did know that i just did a google search and found it and i thought it will be a good subject for all, as we can see with the post's that we have here its been a success.

plus my best friend has a CL and i wanted opinions before we raced.

stincolnlincoln your right yesterday i was with my best friend they guy im one day going to race his CL -S we was going to the movies to check out MI3 and we was in his CL and we was at the light and a car that was parked behind us for some reason didnt see us and hit the CL in the the back right side corner bumber and it coused about 2000 worth in damages - the car was just pulling out the parking space i know if it was my LS it would of coused some damages but not 2000 worth as a matter of fact i have been hit a coulple of times at stop lights in the winter when cars have slid in the ice and rear ended me and my car looks fine just some minor scratches.

so much focus on the 0-60 times you know what guys i dont think anyone has mentioned that our cars real strength is its ability to take turns really really fast!!! we do of course have a formula 1 inspired suspension :D

so much focus on the 0-60 times you know what guys i dont think anyone has mentioned that our cars real strength is its ability to take turns really really fast!!! we do of course have a formula 1 inspired suspension :D

hmmm your right i always forget about the LS's superb handling but the thing is that most peaple dont race in curvy roads so until that happens 0-60 is the only way to compare speed and power in cars.

hmmm your right i always forget about the LS's superb handling but the thing is that most peaple dont race in curvy roads so until that happens 0-60 is the only way to compare speed and power in cars.



Who cares about 0-60? All I care about is 1/4 mile times. That is just my opinion of course. :D

Bah! I'll put my 7000# pounds of navigator up against the Cl-s anyday. They wouldn't stand a chance:D

i've been following this tread since it started, no matter how much I love my 2003 LS, our cars are not fast at all, our cars are a luxury sedan, they do handle better than most sedans which I am very impressed since the day I got it, the car just loves to eat those turns.
But when it comes to 0-60 or 1/4 mile time, they are slow, that's also due to it weight, if the car was 500LBS lighter we would see 1/4 mile times of mid 14's
that would be much better.
There are out there stock 4 bangers that can outperforme our LS' head down
of course they don't have the luxury that we have, that's why we love our cars so much.
I have a 1996 Eagle Talon AWD Turbo, I took it to the track in stock form and did 15.1s 1/4 mile, added $4700 in mods, and now I have a 12.8s 1/4 mile car.
Driving a 12s car is fast and fun, your basically glued to the seat and can't move.
I still love my LS, and I love driving it more than the Talon, so confortable, so smoth, if I have the need for speed I always know where to go.

i've been following this tread since it started, no matter how much I love my 2003 LS, our cars are not fast at all, our cars are a luxury sedan, they do handle better than most sedans which I am very impressed since the day I got it, the car just loves to eat those turns.
But when it comes to 0-60 or 1/4 mile time, they are slow, that's also due to it weight, if the car was 500LBS lighter we would see 1/4 mile times of mid 14's
that would be much better.

I don't know about you Vinnie but my 05 LS is turning low, low 14's in its current form. I would say that would meet your expectations posted above.


There are out there stock 4 bangers that can outperforme our LS' head down
of course they don't have the luxury that we have, that's why we love our cars so much.
I have a 1996 Eagle Talon AWD Turbo, I took it to the track in stock form and did 15.1s 1/4 mile, added $4700 in mods, and now I have a 12.8s 1/4 mile car.


I really don't mean to rag on ya here, but just as a comparison, my LS will be going 12.9's in the 1/4 here soon with less than $1,000 in mods. :D I am not trying to one up ya or anything of the sort, I just am trying to give you a clearer understanding of what these cars are capable of in the right hands.


Driving a 12s car is fast and fun, your basically glued to the seat and can't move.
I still love my LS, and I love driving it more than the Talon, so confortable, so smoth, if I have the need for speed I always know where to go.

Read above.

vinnie your first post says you have 04 ls. do you have 03 or 04? also, v6 or v8? only running 12.8's with 5K in your talon? what did you do? I had talon fwd that got me an 11.82 once (average was mid 12's) with far less $$$ into mods. IIRC I did turbo upgrade (16G ported), fuel injectors, pump, intercooler upgrade (the scirocco trick), crushed blowoff, exhaust, ported and polished heads and a couple other things. Can't remember as it's been several years but I think I had less than $3K in it.

hey rocket how are you going to get to 12's w/less than $2K in mods? Not challenging you but want to know! NO2?

hey rocket how are you going to get to 12's w/less than $2K in mods? Not challenging you but want to know! NO2?


Xcal2 $200.....I got hookups...;)
CAI...made by me but parts cost about $40
100 shot wet nitrous self made kit w/ purge.....$310
NX progressive nitrous controller...$210
Me doing all my own wrenching......well thats saves A LOT of money there!


With the right track conditions and as long as I don't botch the launch the car should be good for just hitting 12.9's.