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I received a threatening email from Brian Gowing, (President and Demigod of LLSOC) threatening legal action if LLSOC members are solicited to join this forum. I would encourage all LLSOC members to leave that club and join this forum as it is obvious that the threat of legal action is driven by greed. LLSOC is a subscribed club that provides nothing more than "cut and paste" information about the LS and a forum that is inferior to this one. For your LLSOC $35.00, you get the same that is here plus additional BS as they don't answer email questions about membership unless you have already paid them. There are also alot of complaints about club packages not being mailed to members with a few excuses from the president about being busy. Hes not too busy to cash the membership checks though. Beware of LLSOC!!

Anyway, this looks like a great forum, I look forward to hearing from you all about your LS experiences. I hope you all have the same fun in your LS as I do in mine.

Thanks

Nice Ride! What we need is a Mark VIII and LS get together. It would be great to go heads up and maybe switch rides for some driving demos. Would make a great day. A direct comparison between the cars, side by side, would make for some fun. Make sure to post your location so we can start putting together a meet.

WOW - Well - your absolutely welcome here - and its free! We are just getting stated but LS owners are more then welcome. Nice Ride!

I received a threatening email from Brian Gowing, (President and Demigod of LLSOC) threatening legal action if LLSOC members are solicited to join this forum. I would encourage all LLSOC members to leave that club and join this forum as it is obvious that the threat of legal action is driven by greed. LLSOC is a subscribed club that provides nothing more than "cut and paste" information about the LS and a forum that is inferior to this one. For your LLSOC $35.00, you get the same that is here plus additional BS as they don't answer email questions about membership unless you have already paid them. There are also alot of complaints about club packages not being mailed to members with a few excuses from the president about being busy. Hes not too busy to cash the membership checks though. Beware of LLSOC!!

Anyway, this looks like a great forum, I look forward to hearing from you all about your LS experiences. I hope you all have the same fun in your LS as I do in mine.

Thanks


Welcome aboard.

That sounds like Cry Baby Gowing all right. He is a TOOL of TOOl's that needs to be shut down asap.

I went on there a while back offering services and a hello and I was greeted with nothing but disrespect and I was called out for free advertising and he then delelted me and talked all kinds of non sense and lies about myself and my company.

He is full of empty threats and is absolutely NOTHING to fear legally simply because he will NOT do anything. He is just a talker.

I laugh at him regularly.
He even screwed over my good friend at DPG Phil Gonzales. Him and his Wife need to get a life.

I finally quit even visiting LLSOC. There were only 3 or 4 guys who seemed to run the deal and I also didn't think I needed to send money to California to talk about my car. I think clubs, even online ones, should welcome all viewpoints, not just those that agree with a self appointed "Guru".
Here's what clubs should be about:

And we absolutely do welcome all viewpoints. HERE - its about the members - not some select group of people like some clubs-- but ALL members. That was my first and foremost thought when I started this site.

And we absolutely do welcome all viewpoints. HERE - its about the members - not some select group of people like some clubs-- but ALL members. That was my first and foremost thought when I started this site.


And it shalst remain that way......or ELSE!!!!!!!!!!

No else -- trust me, I will see to it.

No else -- trust me, I will see to it.

The LVC mafia!

lol shapin up that way


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YEAH LVC MAFIA SWEET.

We can go paint a big lincoln gang sign on LLSOC main page.

Aside from LVC mafia, i hope those poor saps in the LLSOC club can get word of this site. The day i came to the homepage i was hooked. :V

:Bang These smileys are cool :Bang

Happy to hear you like the place. It really makes me happy to know we're on the right track. What we need now is members - lots of new ones. Tell all your friends to come take a look. I have alot of plans I cant really put into place until we get to around 1000 members. Some great things like group buys & contests for free products.

I'm a 1/3 Italian. That must count for something. I'm particulary looking forward to rapping with a bunch of other guys with different tastes in cars. It is good to expand your horizon.


Welcome aboard!!!!

I think the same way. I never gave the LS a second look til a friend bought one..... Same with the STS -- I never looked at that until I ended up with one as a rental for a week. Both are great cars....... Of course, im still in love with my Mark VIII


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I've liked the LS since it came out. I liked it so much I went and test drove it. It drove nicely and was quiet......too quite for me.....but nice none the less.

I received an email from Joey to check out this board. So far so good. I am a proud member of the LLSOC so I find this post a bit harsh, but that is Joey's opinion so I'll let it go. $35 a year is good for what the LLSOC has to offer...but that is my opinion.

One thing I will give the other site is volume. Lots of posts. Lots of people interacting. I have looked at others like Edmunds, Lincolns of Distinction, etc. and there are no posts. Seems like a post or two every week or month. Not good for a forum.

This site is new so I don't expect great things to happen immediately. I'll wait to see how it goes, though. Good luck.
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One thing I will give the other site is volume. Lots of posts. Lots of people interacting. I have looked at others like Edmunds, Lincolns of Distinction, etc. and there are no posts. Seems like a post or two every week or month. Not good for a forum.

This site is new so I don't expect great things to happen immediately. I'll wait to see how it goes, though. Good luck.
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Hello and Welcome.

I can tell you that this site has a lot of great personalities on it, but it is new and it will need some time to form a personality. I haven't checked you out on the LLSOC site so I don't know if you post frequently or not, but all I can say is the more everybody puts into this site, by posting, telling friends to visit, etc. will only serve to accelerate this board to one of the top spots. So please post and post often. Many of these other boards have had years to develope. We are only a month old.

Thanks for joining and look forward to seeing you around. Maybe we can even trade rides someday. I have a wild V-10 Twin-Turbo Mark that I hope will see the light of day someday and my stock '98 is getting a little juice before Carlisle. Take care.

Other boards offer what they choose to offer. Some boards are more restrictive then this one, or offer less content........some offer other features. Each has its following.

Our goal here is to have the best board in response to what our members tell us they want. Simple. A nice place to hang out and talk cars. No politics, no bs.

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I received a threatening email from Brian Gowing, (President and Demigod of LLSOC) threatening legal action if LLSOC members are solicited to join this forum. I would encourage all LLSOC members to leave that club and join this forum as it is obvious that the threat of legal action is driven by greed. LLSOC is a subscribed club that provides nothing more than "cut and paste" information about the LS and a forum that is inferior to this one. For your LLSOC $35.00, you get the same that is here plus additional BS as they don't answer email questions about membership unless you have already paid them. There are also alot of complaints about club packages not being mailed to members with a few excuses from the president about being busy. Hes not too busy to cash the membership checks though. Beware of LLSOC!!

Anyway, this looks like a great forum, I look forward to hearing from you all about your LS experiences. I hope you all have the same fun in your LS as I do in mine.

Thanks


I find this kind of hard to believe. If you want this site to be successful you will need to share the same passion for the car regardless of who runs what site. I don't understand the "cut and paste" comment but there are numerous Lincoln engineers and staff folks that frequent the board that make it worthwhile.

If you're only concerned because you didn't get your $10 license plate then you're missing the point of the club. This seems to be your only gripe about LLSOC.

I just found this site today so I haven't had a chance to look around. I'm sure this will be a successful site but trying to sway folks away from one club just because you had a problem with a membership package don't disparage the whole club. The more knowledgeable each forum can be then the better for all Lincoln LS owners. I love my car and regardless of what club I'm associated with I will continue to love it. :L

I agree. I really dont like seeing posts that trash other boards. Over the years I have learned that no board/club is perfect for everyone. Everyone is more then welcome here regardless of affiliations or loyalties to other clubs & boards.


This site is for people who love their lincolns and/or cadillacs, new or old, so they can learn and share information about these great American Luxury Automobiles.

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I received a threatening email from Brian Gowing, (President and Demigod of LLSOC) threatening legal action if LLSOC members are solicited to join this forum. I would encourage all LLSOC members to leave that club and join this forum as it is obvious that the threat of legal action is driven by greed. LLSOC is a subscribed club that provides nothing more than "cut and paste" information about the LS and a forum that is inferior to this one. For your LLSOC $35.00, you get the same that is here plus additional BS as they don't answer email questions about membership unless you have already paid them. There are also alot of complaints about club packages not being mailed to members with a few excuses from the president about being busy. Hes not too busy to cash the membership checks though. Beware of LLSOC!!

Anyway, this looks like a great forum, I look forward to hearing from you all about your LS experiences. I hope you all have the same fun in your LS as I do in mine.

Thanks

I also find that hard to believe. People over there are always refering to other forums. They do have a strict policy about giving out other members email address' though. That is a good thing, IMHO. Kinda like your employer giving your home phone number to someone they do business with.

Again. Lets not turn this into a "bash and defend" the LLSOC forum...... Its just not in keeping with good taste.

Lets talk cars - the LS is is a fantastic car and gives us plenty to talk about.

Again. Lets not turn this into a "bash and defend" the LLSOC forum...... Its just not in keeping with good taste.

Lets talk cars - the LS is is a fantastic car and gives us plenty to talk about.


You're absolutely right!

I lowered mine ~1 inch. What a difference in handling! The car corners like it's on rails. I do have a slight camber issue, though. Mine is sitting at about 1º negative. My alignment guy told me BMW's run about 2º negative camber. I guess I gan live with 1º :)

have you got any pics???? maybe post them in the member's garage........ nice to have you on the site!

Again. Lets not turn this into a "bash and defend" the LLSOC forum...... Its just not in keeping with good taste.

Lets talk cars - the LS is is a fantastic car and gives us plenty to talk about.


Agree and appreciate that you feel this way. I've had a chance to browse around and it's a nicely put together site.

Cheers! :Beer

Thanks --- I hope you become an active member and really get something out of Lincoln vs Cadillac

But what about the LVC mafia, what will we have to do? :D

Jus kiddin, im tryin to find myself a new lincoln, i really dont have anything to offer about my present one. just tryin to help change subject.

Don't hate on llsoc it an okay site just that you got to pay to be a part of it .But they got alot of stuff you couldn't get elsewhere & the prices are good since they order large quantities .I ordered some white guages from them .There great the installation directions wheren't great and i had to re-solder one of the wires that broke off but that could have been caused buy shipping .at the end of the day you have 2 choices ...Pay for a membership for LLSOC or enjoy LINCOLN vs CADILlAC for free . So lets all support this site and get the ball rolling .Even if you think a question you want to ask isn't important we all would like to here it .We need new Ideas and questions to get us all thinking. thanx and peace out.

2000 LS6 5SPEED..... :steering :D

There is no competition really - cause its not like your going to a restaurant for dinner and HAVE to choose one restaurant or another. You can be on a dozen sites --

Help us build this one.... Bring your friends, post often. I promise, its gonna be a great place.

.at the end of the day you have 2 choices ...Pay for a membership for LLSOC or enjoy LINCOLN vs CADILlAC for free .
2000 LS6 5SPEED..... :steering :D

Or you can do both. :Beer

Or you can do both. :Beer


AGREE!! I like viewing and posting here. The one thing I like about here that they don't have at LLSOC is I get to see other Lincolns. I've always liked the Mark VII's. There are some cool ass Mark's on here!

AGREE!! I like viewing and posting here. The one thing I like about here that they don't have at LLSOC is I get to see other Lincolns. I've always liked the Mark VII's. There are some cool ass Mark's on here!

Absolutely. I think, the boards can prosper off of each other. There will be LS owners from here that will only learn of LLSOC or Lincolns online cause they came here first, and vice versa. How many of us are only on ONE board? Very few.

Even if we eventually do choose to ask for a membership fee, (that is undecided at this point) it will not be required for access to the site, but will only provide extras above what you see now.

We have alot of plans for this site, including offering products ourselves and having specific vendors with discounts. These are all things in the works. Keep in mind, we have only been around 7 weeks and look at how great all of you have made the place already.

Help us build it up. Yes, when you have a question, ask it! If you do a repair -- talk about how you did it, submit pics with it, so the next guy can learn. Bring friends - get them involved. Tell them about the contests - (more are coming too) The more active members we have, the more we can do and the stronger voice we will all have.

Ok, I'll shut up now... :)

I've been looking for a decent LS forum that is FREE. I'm glad I found you guys. Will be posting and checking here regularly.



Absolutely. I think, the boards can prosper off of each other. There will be LS owners from here that will only learn of LLSOC or Lincolns online cause they came here first, and vice versa. How many of us are only on ONE board? Very few.

Even if we eventually do choose to ask for a membership fee, (that is undecided at this point) it will not be required for access to the site, but will only provide extras above what you see now.

We have alot of plans for this site, including offering products ourselves and having specific vendors with discounts. These are all things in the works. Keep in mind, we have only been around 7 weeks and look at how great all of you have made the place already.

Help us build it up. Yes, when you have a question, ask it! If you do a repair -- talk about how you did it, submit pics with it, so the next guy can learn. Bring friends - get them involved. Tell them about the contests - (more are coming too) The more active members we have, the more we can do and the stronger voice we will all have.

Ok, I'll shut up now... :)

I've been looking for a decent LS forum that is FREE. I'm glad I found you guys. Will be posting and checking here regularly.

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Hi guys...been a long time since I browsed the forum and I was surprised by the responses to this thread. Everyone obviously has their own opinions and experiences. For those who enjoy LLSOC, good for you. You now have two resources to view information on everything that is LS. For those of you who experienced LLSOC the way I did, thank god there are alternatives. Joey..you've done a bang up job on this site and I commend you on your hard efforts. Now lets move on and talk about whats really important, the Lincoln LS.

Heres a preview of the 2005 LS I found. Comments?
http://thehollywoodextra.com/lincoln/ls2.jpg

I appreciate the 'factual' comments re: LLSOC's bias on membership. Unfortunately, you too have just lowered yourself to the same level as LLSOC. Your viewpoint on LLSOC's merit vs. LvC is just that, your subjective viewpoint.

If you have nothing good to say...then don't say it. Be customer friendly and people will return on merit. I believe you owe everyone an apology. Until that time. Until that time, this user WILL NOT RETURN. I encourage others to voice their individual views as well.

David

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I received a threatening email from Brian Gowing, (President and Demigod of LLSOC) threatening legal action if LLSOC members are solicited to join this forum. I would encourage all LLSOC members to leave that club and join this forum as it is obvious that the threat of legal action is driven by greed. LLSOC is a subscribed club that provides nothing more than "cut and paste" information about the LS and a forum that is inferior to this one. For your LLSOC $35.00, you get the same that is here plus additional BS as they don't answer email questions about membership unless you have already paid them. There are also alot of complaints about club packages not being mailed to members with a few excuses from the president about being busy. Hes not too busy to cash the membership checks though. Beware of LLSOC!!

Anyway, this looks like a great forum, I look forward to hearing from you all about your LS experiences. I hope you all have the same fun in your LS as I do in mine.

Thanks

He was just posting his "individual views" as you said to do in your post, dont set a double standard. I'm sure he just had bad luck with the board, not everyone will agree. I'm sure it's a great board, but remember different strokes for different folks.

Anyways, how fast are those LSes?

I appreciate the 'factual' comments re: LLSOC's bias on membership. Unfortunately, you too have just lowered yourself to the same level as LLSOC. Your viewpoint on LLSOC's merit vs. LvC is just that, your subjective viewpoint.

If you have nothing good to say...then don't say it. Be customer friendly and people will return on merit. I believe you owe everyone an apology. Until that time. Until that time, this user WILL NOT RETURN. I encourage others to voice their individual views as well.

David

Wow!! Apology for everyone? What for? Expressing free speech? Theres a small document you should view, its called the constitution. If you want to surpress peoples views..theres a couple of countries left for you called Cuba and North Korea you could live in. As for not returning...your loss and with your attitude, its our gain. Buh Bye David.
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Wow!! Apology for everyone? What for? Expressing free speech? Theres a small document you should view, its called the constitution. If you want to surpress peoples views..theres a couple of countries left for you called Cuba and North Korea you could live in. As for not returning...your loss and with your attitude, its our gain. Buh Bye David.
http://www.zooish.com/_borders/ape_waving_hand_sm_wht.gif

Damn, talk about burned, and he even throw in the monkey waving.

LS252 -whats the point of all that? As I said earlier in this thread, every board has its good and its not so good, and I would rather we dont use LvC as a place to trash other boards. Why dont you share your experience and knowlege about your LS... I've read some of your posts and you clearly know alot about the LS, Lets talk about the cars!

LS252 -whats the point of all that? As I said earlier in this thread, every board has its good and its not so good, and I would rather we dont use LvC as a place to trash other boards. Why dont you share your experience and knowlege about your LS... I've read some of your posts and you clearly know alot about the LS, Lets talk about the cars!

Subject is offically over. You're right Joey..you had to love the monkey touch though..admit it. :D

Oh -- the monkey was totally kool.. No question there :-)







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Anyways, how fast are those LSes?

Well it depends on the year. They have gotten quicker in acceleration, but lower top end. The later due to lower cutout setpoints.

The 2000 and 2001 were unlimited I believe, though top out at about 142 in stock form.
The 2002 are limited to somewhere around 132 or 135.
The 2004 are limited to 127, I hear.
Say thank you to Firestone and the lawyer-happy public for setting top speeds lower. :(

Now give it the CAI and a Magnaflow or Borla exhaust to let it breath a little better and the numbers will improve (both will on a '00-'01). :steering

Well it depends on the year. They have gotten quicker in acceleration, but lower top end. The later due to lower cutout setpoints.

The 2000 and 2001 were unlimited I believe, though top out at about 142 in stock form.
The 2002 are limited to somewhere around 132 or 135.
The 2004 are limited to 127, I hear.
Say thank you to Firestone and the lawyer-happy public for setting top speeds lower. :(

Now give it the CAI and a Magnaflow or Borla exhaust to let it breath a little better and the numbers will improve (both will on a '00-'01). :steering

Correction on the 2000, it's electronically limited to 135. I don't know of any after market chip that raises top-speed.

Correction on the 2000, it's electronically limited to 135. I don't know of any after market chip that raises top-speed.

Sorry...seems like I remember hearing that the sport model does not have the limiter. The base model, I think, does.

Sorry...seems like I remember hearing that the sport model does not have the limiter. The base model, I think, does.

Really? Then watch cops in the future..if you see them chasing a 2000 LS V8 Sport in Virginia..its me testing your limiter theory out!

Thanks for the input

Has anyone been able to crack the LS pcm yet? I hope so, from what it seems like the 3.9 litre is here to stay and i will always need a little more.

by the way i love the monkey. nice.

oh yeah two other things,

the immature one in me wants to see the deleted posts.

The next gen LS, i hope to god that is not what lincoln is planning. It will be the first auto show that i will skip. Anyone have any future pics of the next gen LS?

Big Joe

oh yeah two other things,

the immature one in me wants to see the deleted posts.

The next gen LS, i hope to god that is not what lincoln is planning. It will be the first auto show that i will skip. Anyone have any future pics of the next gen LS?

Big Joe

The monkey says hi and heres a supposed pic of the next gen 2005 LS. What are they thinking!!!

I don't really like the looks of that. I guess we will have to wait for more details.

The monkey says hi and heres a supposed pic of the next gen 2005 LS. What are they thinking!!!


PhotoCHOP at it's finest :Bang

OMFG - It's a Zephyr!!! I look at this post 2 years on and they really did release this POS!!!