Smooch! Smooch! Smooch! Thanks Hotties!!!!!!!!!!!

Msm8

Ok Debi,
Where did you hide tux LOL

She shook it like a White Girl!!! Day-Yum!
13+ WoooHooo!!

Smooch! Smooch! Smooch! Thanks Hotties!!!!!!!!!!!

Msm8
Dayummmmmm way to go Debi, you got racing skillz now :cool: and i am very proud of you :yourock:

Dayummmmmm way to go Debi, you got racing skillz now :cool: and i am very proud of you :yourock:

LOLOL Pepp your too sweet! Ambition, yes, skills, wellllllll, ok...I'm a HOTTIE, but I don't think that makes me fast hehe, well, not track "fast" lol.

NYC....guess what I saw sitting on the side right before I nailed 13? A 89 (I think) red Lincoln Mark VII in showroom condition. When I stopped squeelin for joy I lined back up, and went to look at it. Beautiful!, only 47,000 orig. miles, interior under the hood, everything on this Mark was gleeming inside and out! Did you send me a lucky 7!? ;) Like I said though I really need to work on consistency!

Here is the whole run:
R/T - .596
60' - 1.959
330 - 5.683
1/8 - 8.682
MPH - 82.73
1000 - 11.226
1/4 - 13.412
MPH - 104.98

I don't know what happens when I post the slips, they go thru the shrinkydink edit then show up small in the thread (?).

Poor Torq had to endure my whining about the red light then my screaming and yelling, I had to call him and share my joy! Thanks HOTTIE!

OK who has a receipe for consistency!? lolol Seriously though I really drove the crap outta him last night, got in 7 runs, yes some really sucked! I red lighted (-.175), then my worst launch w/o rl'n was .627, and my slowest 60' speed 2.433, and ugliest 1/4 was 15.731. Talk about stinkin!

SMOOCHES HOTTIES!!!!
MsM8

way to go deb... congrats!

HOLD ON A SECOND.... Debi, I didnt know you had any mods.... Your time is a full second faster then stock darlin.... What mods are on that car darlin?

Thank You JoeyL SMOOOOCH!

Hi BigDaddy, the only thing I have added to Mark that LVC HOTTIES picked out for me was.....welll, ME! heheh no kidding. ;)

Remember he came with magnaflows, KnN air filter, perf. chip, and I did have to drop 1,300.00 in a trannie they added the shift kit. das it!

Did I make ya proud HOTTIES!?!

MsM8

thats a really big improvement. So you can get a 13 second car from exhaust, KnN filter,Chip and a shift kit WOW. Good job Debi, from a 16 second car to a 13s

Wow a full second fastser than stock " outstanding " , Debi consistency comes with alot of practice get to the track as much as you can. Just think what your times will be like when you get some good gears in TUX. Hearing that you are so happy makes me happy. :burnout: :burnout: :burnout:

Holy S#it that was cruising for a Stock Mark VIII... So it can't be stock Debi...

It must have been the removing of the spare tire that did it.


Wow congratssss

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I am still on cloud 9....now how can I do it again, and again, and get lower!

The shift kit is an improvement to the orig. transmission the guy at the trannie shop told me that it really wasn't a mod, that it just helps the trannie perform better. I will find out more about it and fill ya in, I'd like to know myself too.

The perf. chip, well all I know about it is that I found a receipt in the 10-12 papers the kid gave me when I bought it. The receipt is for a 94 Lincoln Chip 253.00 from SpeedZone Rod Shop 1500 N. Main St Evansville, IN, order date 4/19/2000. Both phone numbers on receipt are disconnected and I have done google searches for the business, but no luck. I have no idea how the chip was programmed.

Oh yeah and the over drive button.....peeves me, I know it worked before I got the trannie re-built..but sho flat out refused to open up the console and see. I even to in the diagram you sent me Rich. He said it was nothing they did, and that about 5 years ago they opend up the console on a Mark and broke the wood piece and it was expensive to replace and they will not risk it again. Even after I told him I have a spare shifter wood piece, he still refused.

So I ran with the od on, at least I think it is always on, the guy at the shop (who owns a LS! ;) said it was on. I can't feel it, and i get no lights at the message cntr..

The next house I buy, is going to have a loooooooooooooong drive way, with a tree at both ends! hehehe!

Thanks again HOTTIES!!!!
SMOOCHES!
MsM8

Ok.

I'll b the 1st.

:bsflag:

Ok.

I'll b the 1st.

:bsflag:

:D

Maam, I think we need to pull that car for a tech check. :shifty:

Ok.

I'll b the 1st.

:bsflag:
What Bryan you don't believe the time slip? If conditions are just right that can happen as it did to Debi last night which is cool. :cool:

Post the place and time. I'll look up the weather data and calculate a density altitude.

driller, it is at National Trail Raceway somewnere in Ohio, don't know exactly where. Do you find it hard to believe , I don't!!!!!!!

Ok.

I'll b the 1st.

:bsflag:



Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. :D

Why do you find it hard to believe, I don't!!!

driller, it is at National Trail Raceway somewnere in Ohio, don't know exactly where. Do you find it hard to believe , I don't!!!!!!!


Taking more than 1.3 seconds off your stock ET with those mods is, well, impossible unless there was some SERIOUS weight reduction that happened! And lets face it. Not everyone is able to run 14.7's in a bone stock Mark either!

Hebron, OH
Track Elevation 911'
Time: 10:40PM?
61*F
54% Humidity
29.86 in. Barometric Pressure

Density Altitude = 979 feet

Why do you find it hard to believe, I don't!!!


Well lets see here... Driller's best is a 13.5 and he has this as a performance modlist:


Pro-M 85mm MAF
K&N RU3480 Air Filter
Intake silencer/resonators removed
Meziere Electric Water Pump
Custom Intake Tube
1-2 Accumulator upgrade
B&M SuperCooler Transmission Cooler
SCT Performance Chip
MSD Superconductor 8.5mm Spark Plug Wires
MotorCraft AWSF-22C Spark Plugs w/ modified 0.048" gap
HyperTech #1011 - 160 degree thermostat
DeMolet DenseCharger Cold Air Intake
Cam Shim
1996 EATC(Electronic Air Temperature Control)
LMS Pro Billet adjustable fuel pressure regulator
Fuel Pressure Gauge
FRPP(Ford Racing Performance Products)4.10 ratio Ring & Pinion
FRPP Traction Lock
HydroTex MultiFilm 80W-140 HyDiamond Gear Oil
Muscle Products MT-10 Metal Treatment
Walbro 255LPH Fuel Pump
LMS PROPOLY polyurethane carrier bushing kit
ART(Accelerated Racing Technology) Cat-Back 2-1/2" Single-X Dual Exhaust
DynoMax UltraFlow Mufflers
DynoTech Engineering Metal Matrix Composite Aluminum Driveshaft
Baumann Engineering RK-AODE Shift Kit
2-3 Accumulator upgrade
Sensor Lowered Air Suspension w/ Spyder Valve
26x9.50-16 Hoosier Quick Time Pro D.O.T. Drag Tires
PA Performance 4G Cobra 160 Amp Alternator
Performance Distributors Screamin' Demon Coil Packs
Steeda UnderDrive Crank Pulley
SCT DynoTune
Kooks 3/4 Length Jet-Hot coated Headers
SCP Solid Motor Mounts


Yeah, something doesn't add up when comparing a Mark with only a few hundred in mods running a faster time than a MUCH MUCH more modded Mark. I believe Driller's times, especially based upon his modlist. Msm8's seems a little off, to put it in a nice way.

Why do you find it hard to believe, I don't!!!

Well, alrighty, I have to see all the times then.

I did see a timeslip on a Marauder once say something totally unrealistic. It does happen.

Oh, BTW, if it was a 13.4, I challenge it to a race. ;)

Dang Debi good job way to get it done.

Ok.

I'll b the 1st.

:bsflag:

lololol MM - BITE ME TWICE! You can even pick the spots! hehe I don't play when it comes to my Mark! oh, you can also ask Torq...if his ear drums have recovered! The guy with the Mark VII - he can testify to!

I know, I know..you've met me....but regardless of how I may seem, hehe, I pay very very close attention to my Mark and how he shifts, pretty much how he reacts to everything...oh yeah and 10 years of driving one kinda helps too

I forgot to tell yall about Terry (the very proud owner of the MarkVII) and he has owned about 16 lincolns! I gave him the url, of course, and told him he is LVC material. His Mark VII is hot!

I wish I could have seen it! Terry said it was awesome!

SMOOCHES Hun,
MsM8

Well lets see here... Driller's best is a 13.5 and he has this as a performance modlist:


Pro-M 85mm MAF
K&N RU3480 Air Filter
Intake silencer/resonators removed
Meziere Electric Water Pump
Custom Intake Tube
1-2 Accumulator upgrade
B&M SuperCooler Transmission Cooler
SCT Performance Chip
MSD Superconductor 8.5mm Spark Plug Wires
MotorCraft AWSF-22C Spark Plugs w/ modified 0.048" gap
HyperTech #1011 - 160 degree thermostat
DeMolet DenseCharger Cold Air Intake
Cam Shim
1996 EATC(Electronic Air Temperature Control)
LMS Pro Billet adjustable fuel pressure regulator
Fuel Pressure Gauge
FRPP(Ford Racing Performance Products)4.10 ratio Ring & Pinion
FRPP Traction Lock
HydroTex MultiFilm 80W-140 HyDiamond Gear Oil
Muscle Products MT-10 Metal Treatment
Walbro 255LPH Fuel Pump
LMS PROPOLY polyurethane carrier bushing kit
ART(Accelerated Racing Technology) Cat-Back 2-1/2" Single-X Dual Exhaust
DynoMax UltraFlow Mufflers
DynoTech Engineering Metal Matrix Composite Aluminum Driveshaft
Baumann Engineering RK-AODE Shift Kit
2-3 Accumulator upgrade
Sensor Lowered Air Suspension w/ Spyder Valve
26x9.50-16 Hoosier Quick Time Pro D.O.T. Drag Tires
PA Performance 4G Cobra 160 Amp Alternator
Performance Distributors Screamin' Demon Coil Packs
Steeda UnderDrive Crank Pulley
SCT DynoTune
Kooks 3/4 Length Jet-Hot coated Headers
SCP Solid Motor Mounts


Yeah, something doesn't add up when comparing a Mark with only a few hundred in mods running a faster time than a MUCH MUCH more modded Mark. I believe Driller's times, especially based upon his modlist. Msm8's seems a little off, to put it in a nice way.
Why does it seem a little off to you, like i said if conditions are right Debi's time can happen and did happen. Proof has been posted and she has witnesses to prove it, what more proof do you need.

Oh man.....ok....seeing drillers time (driller is my hero, I am his #1 groupie, his A1 fan) and his mods.....no one...NO ONE ELSE could have convinced me there MAY have been an error, hummm only with my 1 run out of 9,.... and the other 100 or so drivers got correct readings all night.....my bubble just popped and all I have is a worthless piece of paper.

NOT!!!!!! I don't care, I'm framing IT!!!!!!

Oh it was a "Compulink Autostart" I know I will call Ed, he runs there all the time - I will let you know what he says, and his bud Mike too!

brb ;)

Pepps - your sooooooo sweet ;) SMOOCH!!!!

Debi, you don't have to prove anything to anyone, you have the proof and witneess's that's all you need HOTTIE :)

yeah, shes got some steep gears in there too, 4.10's or 4.30's. i was talkin to her and figgure it to be that. so....HIGH F'n FIVE to you deb! i want to do that now :(

Either you don't really know what has been put into that car, or that timeslip is 100% bullsh!t top to bottom.

13.4 @ 105 in a Mark VIII? With those mods? LOL!

A 98 Cobra would just eek off that time with similar mods. :rolleyes:

Funny how we have yet to hear from your witnesses or see any proof that timeslip didn't come from a WRX STi. These tricks are best played on people who have never been to the track. This is the wrong place for these games.

Either you don't really know what has been put into that car, or that timeslip is 100% bullsh!t top to bottom.

13.4 @ 105 in a Mark VIII? With those mods? LOL!

A 98 Cobra would just eek off that time with similar mods. :rolleyes:

Funny how we have yet to hear from your witnesses or see any proof that timeslip didn't come from a WRX STi. These tricks are best played on people who have never been to the track. This is the wrong place for these games.
Dominus, no one is playing games here.

Why does it seem a little off to you, like i said if conditions are right Debi's time can happen and did happen. Proof has been posted and she has witnesses to prove it, what more proof do you need.


Pepperman I hate to get personal with you, but you do not know your ass from a hole in the ground if you truly think that mere CONDITIONS can cause a friggin 2+ second drop in ET with a gain of 10 MPH TRAP SPEED!!! HOW CAN I CONVEY TO YOU HOW MUCH OF A HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE THAT IS!!!??? I have been dragracing for years now. I have built racecars before and am buiding another as we speak. Well, two to be exact. I know my sh1t, just as some others on here do too. Bottom line is that Deb's Mk8 with the mods posted that she has and a 100 mph tailwind could still not have done that ET and MPH. If you actually raced more you would realize just how GARGANTUAN of a difference 10 MPH in trap speed really is.

I am not calling Deb anything, but something is most definately awry with that slip.

Maybe the time on the left was actually her and the guy in the tower gave her the wrong side? LOL

...driller is my hero, I am his #1 groupie, his A1 fan...

:tmi:

...Here is the whole run:
R/T - .596
60' - 1.959
330 - 5.683
1/8 - 8.682
MPH - 82.73
1000 - 11.226
1/4 - 13.412
MPH - 104.98
...
got in 7 runs, yes some really sucked! I red lighted (-.175), then my worst launch w/o rl'n was .627, and my slowest 60' speed 2.433, and ugliest 1/4 was 15.731. ...

It may help explain a lot posting all 7 runs? Reaction times varying from -0.175 to 0.627 is one thing but what were the sixty foots? The 1/8 mile numbers? The 1/4 mile averages? Even with my best of 13.54 I averaged 13.6x in a dozen runs that day. Oh, and the density altitude for THAT day was over minus 800 feet.

Now being a novice, I would say my biggest problem is the 105 MPH trap speed. After that the ETs and of course the 1.9 sixty foot. All in all I find it quite an anomaly. I don't mean to imply anything, but those times almost seem plausible for a Mark VIII with about a 75 shot of nitrous?

I think "Compulink AutoStart" is simply the name of the timing system and the "AutoStart" simply means the computer starts the race once both lanes are staged instead of a manual start by human intervention.

BTW Rocket, I'd be the first to tell you my car is SLOW for the mods and work I have done.

Rocket, everything is cool , i was so happy for Debi doing good at the track.

BTW Rocket, I'd be the first to tell you my car is SLOW for the mods and work I have done.


I know, but I was using it as a point of reference to let everyone gain a little more perspective on what it takes to get to that area of ET's and MPH. Even then her slip still had additional 4.5 MPH in it. That is HUGE in itself! hehe.


Now that I look at it closer, that slip very closely resembles a mildly modded AWD turbo 4 banger (EVO, WRX) run with the low 60', ET, and high MPH.

Rocket, Pepp just knows I wouldn't be playing with yall. Might I impose on your expertise to tell me what happend? I'm not a liar, not playing games it was my lane, my car, my number, and that is the slip the lady handed me, I have not tampered with it in any way. Now, are your telling me the computer was wrong on my run, 1 out of hundreds that day and evening (the Gahanna police dept. was running on the track all day)? I can even accept that, that would mean it's a fluke?

DOMINUS! You are off, way off, Im so insulted I'm ignoring your assanine comment.

The guy who owens the red Mark VII, Terry, and commented to me on making the 13.412, well as far as him not loggin in, after reading some of these comments, I'm thinking I shouldn't have either. I'm ashamed! What a lovely thing for someone to read after I just finished tellin him how great you guys are.

Hotties, I really appreciate all your info and help in figuring this out, however, if you can't be productive in getting to what happened, either the slip is right and I did run it, there has been an error in the "Compulink Startrak" timing the track uses, or there is another legitimate explaination, then don't bother posting, k Hotties.

Now, I've got some keying to do.

SMOOCHES,
Debi

Debi.... We have met I know you a bit. GO Girl LOL Maybe someday I will run Mark down the track... You can teach me ... Like I said before years ago I use to street race.:D :D

driller, I will post them all tomorrow, it's after 1:00 and it will take a minute, so I will get em for ya tomorrow Hun.

Im curious as heck now. I realize crap happens, has anyone else had a wrong time slip? This particuar run was very different from all the others, like I said, someone blasted oil so we sat for an hour while the strip guys cleaned the track, my engine was stone cold and for the first time the track was clean and dry, I was about the 4-5 run on the clean track and my best side, the right one ;)

I don't know how the slip could be wrong I called Ed, he lives at the trails and races two cars, both worth about 75,000. He also has race boat and races it and has even made a few mags. He said he has never heard of it being wrong, but my time does sound unusaul. I am going to meet with him and like driller said, he and I will over them to get the whole picture.

Oh Ed told me why I got yelled at by the lady at the end when we turn in to get our slip, I didn't have a helmet on. I thought at the time, why the heck is she yellin at me!?! Ed said if you go over 100mph you are required to wear one.

I know the track will not say it was wrong. So how can I find out?



SMOOCHES
Debi

yeah, shes got some steep gears in there too, 4.10's or 4.30's. i was talkin to her and figgure it to be that. so....HIGH F'n FIVE to you deb! i want to do that now :(

Thanks Hottie ;)
Smooch

It is your timeslip that is way off and assinine, but insults are a great position to take for somebody without a leg to stand on.

It is your timeslip that is way off and assinine, but insults are a great position to take for somebody without a leg to stand on.

They are also a great way to source rude, immature persons who lack substance and credibility of their own, at the expense of those who stand head and shoulders above them.

Fellas, in the end, the Lady ran what she ran. The slip shows what it shows. This experience is Debi's to have forever and it has nothing to do with the price of tea in China or what anyone else has ran, or is going too.

I know what you are sayin' don't mean nuthin' to you, much like calling a guy a dirty rat bastard, piece of sh!t and not mean it in a bad way. However the Lady clearly doesn't take the words lightly.

Should a return post state something to the affect of: should'nt post sh!t without expecting some sh!t back is entirely juvenile and respecting each other is not much to ask for amoung adults.

Does anyone know what she should run with those mods?

They are also a great way to source rude, immature persons who lack substance and credibility of their own, at the expense of those who stand head and shoulders above them.

Fellas, in the end, the Lady ran what she ran. The slip shows what it shows. This experience is Debi's to have forever and it has nothing to do with the price of tea in China or what anyone else has ran, or is going too.

I know what you are sayin' don't mean nuthin' to you, much like calling a guy a dirty rat bastard, piece of sh!t and not mean it in a bad way. However the Lady clearly doesn't take the words lightly.

Should a return post state something to the affect of: should'nt post sh!t without expecting some sh!t back is entirely juvenile and respecting each other is not much to ask for amoung adults.
:I :iconcur: torquemonkey i couldn't have said it better myself!!!

Does anyone know what she should run with those mods?

A chip, shift kit and exhaust? I can only relate to my times early on running my '93 with pretty much just a chip, gears and exhaust. With similar density altitude, about a 14.5-14.6 @ 94-95 mph. Give a couple tenths and maybe 1 mph for my car or track being slower and her car or track being faster?

I know the track will not say it was wrong. So how can I find out?

Any track I've been to will admit their timing equipment is not infallible. Usually any errors are so blatantly obvious, there is no doubt to the seasoned observer. I've probably personally witnessed a couple each season. This spring at a test and tune, I ran alongside a Pro Street competitor who was enraged he didn't get any time listed on the slips for our run. His side of the timeslip was totally blank! I have seen quite a few obvious errors in short times as well resulting in skewed ETs. And you're right in observing there were hundreds others that were 'correct', so it would suck that the YOU of all people would have one with an error.

I'll be honest in any critiquing of the time slips anyone posts. I don't consider myself an expert veteran drag racer, just a fellow Mark VIII enthusiast with spreadsheets of hundreds of track runs I have on my own car.

In the end, it's what you and your car consistently runs - any day, any weather at any track against any competitor.

Personally, I think you need to bring that car out to St. Louis May 18-21 for the 2006 World Ford Challenge and see what it runs there!

They are also a great way to source rude, immature persons who lack substance and credibility of their own, at the expense of those who stand head and shoulders above them.

So then she must be God to break the laws of physics? LOL

Fellas, in the end, the Lady ran what she ran. The slip shows what it shows. This experience is Debi's to have forever and it has nothing to do with the price of tea in China or what anyone else has ran, or is going too.

I know what you are sayin' don't mean nuthin' to you, much like calling a guy a dirty rat bastard, piece of sh!t and not mean it in a bad way. However the Lady clearly doesn't take the words lightly.

Should a return post state something to the affect of: should'nt post sh!t without expecting some sh!t back is entirely juvenile and respecting each other is not much to ask for amoung adults.

Nobody said anything among these lines.

You plain and simply can't post BS and expect it to be believed.

Rocket, Pepp just knows I wouldn't be playing with yall. Might I impose on your expertise to tell me what happend? I'm not a liar, not playing games it was my lane, my car, my number, and that is the slip the lady handed me, I have not tampered with it in any way. Now, are your telling me the computer was wrong on my run, 1 out of hundreds that day and evening (the Gahanna police dept. was running on the track all day)? I can even accept that, that would mean it's a fluke?

DOMINUS! You are off, way off, Im so insulted I'm ignoring your assanine comment.

The guy who owens the red Mark VII, Terry, and commented to me on making the 13.412, well as far as him not loggin in, after reading some of these comments, I'm thinking I shouldn't have either. I'm ashamed! What a lovely thing for someone to read after I just finished tellin him how great you guys are.

Hotties, I really appreciate all your info and help in figuring this out, however, if you can't be productive in getting to what happened, either the slip is right and I did run it, there has been an error in the "Compulink Startrak" timing the track uses, or there is another legitimate explaination, then don't bother posting, k Hotties.

Now, I've got some keying to do.

SMOOCHES,
Debi



Deb, what would better help us determine exactly what was the case, we need to see your other time slips from that night. Only then can we analyze and compare to help you better understand the differences.

I don't like to pee in anyones Cheerios here, but with your mods that time and trap speed just arent right. It sucks bad enough when you believe something that is false for a day or two. It sucks even more when you go to the track the next time and actually expect to run that same time and then fall really short. I just dont want you to set yourself up for disappointment is all.

These people like torquemonkey and pepper, while they mean good, are doing you a disservice by hyping you up and continuin to let you believe that your slip wasn't a mistake. Like Driller said, those people at the track running those clocks aren't exactly genuises. Your run looks a lot more like a turbo AWD 4 banger run than anything. It could have been something as simple as them inputting your number in to the computer wrong and then the printer would spit out the other guys time for you and so forth. It happened to me before.

Maybe when Debi post all the time slips from the track on friday this can all be sorted out. I know Debi would not post anything that she believed wasn't true. If the track does have faulty equipment they need to replace it, so this doesn't happen to anyone else.

The Mark7 in the other lane ran a 18.376, isn't that about 2 secs to high?

Ooops. Didn't mean to start a sh!tstorm. :eek:

You can go on any site that has a calculator and figure out what the weight and horsepower would need to be to trap that speed.:cool:

Nobody is calling Deb (my secret sweetie) anything. Things happen at the track all the time.:confused:

Can a basically stock mark with a chip and exhaust run a 105?:shifty: Not any stock Mark I have driven in. If physics would indicate it is possible, great.

What we all want is to know what it takes to do what.

Telling a kid that comes on the site that all he needs is a chip and exhaust and he can run mid-13's leaves all of us up to criticism. He'll point to this site to diss his friends, people will log on and look at this thread and then what? I don't want our site to wind up on some rice sites with them calling us out.

If we stick to the facts, we'll all be fine.

BTW. No flaming.:mad: Please. Have fun with the topic but no name calling or any of that crapola.

And, if Ms.' car does run that, the check is in the mail. Just name the price.:)

How about this.

Do it again!

How about this.

Do it again!

Oh, you know I will continue to put my boy to the test as long as I can! How many times do you get to run on a clean dry track with a stone cold engine? There will be another opportunity, I will make sure! ;)

Dom, you are one confused Hottie. I know what the slip says, I know I drove down the track, I know the slip I have is the one handed to me from the track staff, unaltered and it remains unaltered. Like I said, if it is an error, it's an error. I'm not eleminating that possibility and saying that all the comments are wrong, I will be at the Carsile (sp?) show this June, why don't you come down to the track that Scott mentioned and see whats up, (only if you promise to be nice)?

Well Hotties here you go, here are all the lips and one from the 4 I ran last wednesday also:



OK HOTTIES, I got em all in there were 9 total, but 2 I knew I screwed up, so I don't count those. Yup some are pretty crappy, some are ok.

1- right lane
time 6:01pm
R/T .108
60' 2.401
330 6.589
1/8 9.991
MPH 72..95
1000 12.859
1/4 15.269
MPH 93.27
Left 1st 1.6261

2- left lane
time 6:30pm
R/T -.175
60' 2.345
330 6.620
1/8 10.075
MPH 71.72
1000 12.992
1/4 15.434
MPH 92.06
Right 1st .6146

3 Right lane
time 7:47pm
R/T .345
60' 2.375
330 6.592
1/8 10.008
MPH 72.68
1000 12.887
1/4 15.300
MPH 93.12
Left 1st .2452

4 Left lane
time 8:30pm
R/T .247
60' 2.368
330 6.673
1/8 10.157
MPH 71.25
1000 13.090
1/4 15.544
MPH 91.73
Left 1st 3.0285

5 right lane
time 9:08pm
R/T .627
60' 2.433
330 6.782
1/8 10.296
MPH 70.59
1000 13.255
1/4 15.731
MPH 90.91
left 1st .6852

6 left lane
time 9:34pm
R/T 367
60' 2.334
330 6.655
1/8 10.160
MPH 70.80
1000 13.114
1/4 15.589
MPH 90.90
Left 1st .0535

7 Right lane
time 9:48pm
R/T -.055
60' 2.441
330 6.750
1/8 10.221
MPH 71.49
1000 13.146
1/4 15.596
MPH 91.76
Left 1st..9462

8 Right lane
time - 10:40
R/T .596
60' 1.959
330 5.683
1/8 8.682
MPH 82.73
1000 11.226
1/4 13.412
MPH 104.98
Right 1st 1.6230

9 left lane
time 10:46
R/T .225
60' 2.370
330 6.639
1/8 10.106
MPH 71.56
1000 13.029
1/4 15.479
MPH 91.78
Left 1st 3.1961

Like I said, we had sat for an hour while they cleaned the track, it was nice, dry and clean and my car was stone cold ;), I was in the right lane and was able to avoid all the water.

I am not consistent at all! I kept trying different things to see how he would do, like not mashing it, getting wet then burning or getting on a little wet and burning, burning dry..etc, then Phil explained to me how you can "stay shallow" on the 2nd light, also I kept changing lanes to get used to both.

Wednesday's 4 runs I was all over the numbers too but this was my best out of 4.
7:07 pm
Right lane
R/T .248
60 2.451
330 6.985
1/8 10.623
MPH 68.14
1000 13.681
1/4 16.224
mph 88.97

There ya have it Hotties!

THANKS!!!! I really want to know,

Yeah, im sorry to say, there has got to be something wrong with that 13 sec time hun. Your not even close to that on any other run. It doesnt make sense. Its too big of a difference from all the others. You also shouldnt be running the 16s. You should be around low 14s I would guess.

Oh, and whoever thinks MsM8tress is posting BS, she isnt. She is posting honestly. I know this woman, and she wouldnt post BS intentionally. She isnt experienced at the track, and wouldnt know how to fake all the numbers.

So keep your posts worded as if she is posting honestly, because I assure you, she is.

That looks like a whole lot of fun to me, and a clean dry track with a stone cold engine is what made the difference in run #8, thats what i believe, you did good Debi no matter what happens and your times will only get better. I hope to have as much fun when i get my Mark VIII. Rocket , driller , i look forward to getting your advice when the time comes.

Yeah, im sorry to say, there has got to be something wrong with that 13 sec time hun. Your not even close to that on any other run. It doesnt make sense. Its too big of a difference from all the others. You also shouldnt be running the 16s. You should be around low 14s I would guess.

Oh, and whoever thinks MsM8tress is posting BS, she isnt. She is posting honestly. I know this woman, and she wouldnt post BS intentionally. She isnt experienced at the track, and wouldnt know how to fake all the numbers.

So keep your posts worded as if she is posting honestly, because I assure you, she is.
Well said Godfather. :cool:

All look right except the 13.4. You can see the 60' and the ET are true to each other for the most part, the same car. The high 15 and 16 were bad runs, but the same car. Practice on the launch and it'll break the 15 with maybe a 14.8 with all conditions good. I'm sorry the 13.4 just don't fit the rest.

All look right except the 13.4. You can see the 60' and the ET are true to each other for the most part, the same car. The high 15 and 16 were bad runs, but the same car. Practice on the launch and it'll break the 15 with maybe a 14.8 with all conditions good. I'm sorry the 13.4 just don't fit the rest.
What would explain that faulty track equipment, and if it's not faulty track equipment then what, all the runs look good Debi. :)

The Mark7 in the other lane ran a 18.376, isn't that about 2 secs to high?

What MarkVII? The Mark VII was not racing sorry to confuse you. I saw the Mark VII parked while I was in line waiting. I knew if I stood around it long enough the owner would pop up and sure enough after 2-3 minutes of looking it over, there he was ;) Man that MarkVII was hot!

I want to go today, but I know the track will be packed, and it won't be dry or clean! I might just to tell Phil (the guy who works there who kinda took me under his wing) the reaction I'm getting with the tracks slip!

SMOOCHES hun,
MsM8

....Nobody is calling Deb (my secret sweetie) anything. Things happen at the track all the time.:confused:

What we all want is to know what it takes to do what.:)

Awhhh I'm blushing ;) but your dead right about what it takes to do it! Do you think I can ask them to clean my side each time before I run...and maybe not to hose it down? While I'm at it, I'll have them get something to control the track temp too! heheheh lolol hehehe!

SMOOCHES Hottie!

MsM8

Yeah, im sorry to say, there has got to be something wrong with that 13 sec time hun. Your not even close to that on any other run. It doesnt make sense. Its too big of a difference from all the others. You also shouldnt be running the 16s. You should be around low 14s I would guess.

Oh, and whoever thinks MsM8tress is posting BS, she isnt. She is posting honestly. I know this woman, and she wouldnt post BS intentionally. She isnt experienced at the track, and wouldnt know how to fake all the numbers.

So keep your posts worded as if she is posting honestly, because I assure you, she is.

SMOOCH! heheh but cha know what, I ran it, I got the slip heheh wrong or not! It's still cool as all get out! I'll make sure to bring it to Phili ;)

Thank you Big Daddy ;) even for the part about me being trackdumb ;) (itz true...;) but no worries, I'll keep learning and make ya proud! hehehe!

SMOOCHES!!!
MsM8

Big Daddy, SMOOCH! heheh but cha know what, I ran it, I got the slip heheh wrong or not! It's still cool as all get out! I'll make sure to bring it to Phili ;)


Thank you Big Daddy ;) even for the part about me being trackdumb ;) (itz true...;) but no worries, I'll keep learning and make ya proud! hehehe!


SMOOCHES!!!
MsM8

Torq - SMOOCH SMOOCH SMOOCH...have your ears recovered yet Hottie!

SMOOCH!!
MsM8

Ooops. Didn't mean to start a sh!tstorm. :eek:
:)

Now if there is any BS in this thread it right here LOL Bryan not meaning to start at Sh!tstorm LOL.... You live for them good Friend...

As I posted in the other thread... I am happy for Debi and her thrill of that race. We will find out later if it was error, fluke, or Debi typical luck.... Because I know she'll be back at the track to try again... Have fun Debi.

Please don't Diss Debi!! I know Debi very well also and one thing Debi will not do is try to BS about what she has done. Debi is very honest and a great member of this Forum...

This was her second time racing at the track... any rookie to the track would be creaming their shorts to have gotten that slip.... And excited to post it hear. What Debi didn't expect that members would be slamming her for posting what she felt was the contribution of many members who gave her pointers to improve on her time.

Her she thought that she was giving the site and members a big hurrah and thanks... to her coaches... Instead she's been given crap by some...

There is nothing wrong with going over the times. We all know that that time was amazing and most of us are questioning it's possibilities.... Our experienced racing members have stated their expertise and opinions...

And I'm sure Debi has taken it all with respenct... but let's not turn this site in to a typical Ricer site... We respect all on this site even if we don't agree with them. We don't act childish with name calling (except in the political forum).

Debi I happy you had fun at the track.... Those who have posted thanks for your input and helping us understand what can happen at the track and for explaining what is possible and not possible... I do understand physics... and the fact that the probability of a 4000 lb car running that time with the set up it claims not probable... but there is that chance of some variable we don't know but highly doubtful.

What matters is let's have fun!!!

MeSpocks quote .."but there is that chance of some variable we don't know....."

I know what the variable is, I got lots of Angels...and they all drive Lincolns!

SMOOCHES!!!!

MsM8

MeSpocks quote .."but there is that chance of some variable we don't know....."

I know what the variable is, I got lots of Angels...and they all drive Lincolns!

SMOOCHES!!!!

MsM8
You probably had your guardian angel riding shotgun next to you in Tux when you went down the track, and that is a cool thing to have. :cool:

We'll I've looked at the times, and I have good news and bad news.

The bad news... the 13.4 run was a fluke.

The good news... you're not as inconsistent as you thought except for your reaction times which will only get better with practice.

Look at the numbers attached...

With the 13.4 run averaged in, your standard deviation for the most part is too high. Look at the averages and standard deviation WITHOUT the 13.4 run. Much more TYPICAL standard deviations without the 13.4 run.

More to come...

Debi , still did very good even without the 13.4 time, with more track time and more mods to her car, i have every confidence that she will be able to hit that 13.4 time again someday. Debi is really getting into racing her car. :)

There is nothing wrong with going over the times. We all know that that time was amazing and most of us are questioning it's possibilities.... Our experienced racing members have stated their expertise and opinions...

And if this was the movie "Bruce Almighty" I'd probably have a monkey crawling out of my butt right now.;)

I think Deb is a good person also. However, I like to deal in reality.

Take a look at her other runs. Divine intervention or whatever, that car didn't suddenly decide to run 12-15 mph faster.

Nothing personal. Just stating the obvious. People that come to this site deserve good info. That is all it is about. Good info. Unfortunately, this thread is not good info.

Continuing on...

Look at the graphs below and notive the unusually large 'spike' indicating the data from the 13.4 run. I have added a red circle indicating the data from the 13.4 run and a black line to indicate what the graph would appear as without the said run. Pictures speak a 1000 words, and graphs are very good at displaying numbers as pictures.

It becomes quite clear that for whatever reason, the 13.4 run does not fit the expected profile. In statistics, what generally happens is the standard deviation for a population is utilized to select and 'throw out' data that 'does not fit'. Similar to the often heard phrase, "throw out the best and the worst" when analyzing data for any trend.

Now, let's honestly critique the results given. :)

Start with the Reaction Time. It cannot be stressed enough... practice, practice, practice. Your eye/mind/body reaction time can be trained but you have to learn your car's reaction time. Most Mark VIII racers will tell you to launch when you "see" the last yellow. Monitor your reaction time and once it is consistent start to hone it down by recognizing your car's reaction time. Let's sat you are fairly consistent between 0.1 and 0.2 seconds. DO NOT try to leave "quicker" by guessing when you see the last yellow and beating it by 0.1 or 0.2 seconds.

If you are consistently in sync, the last thing you want to do is retrain yourself. Get better reaction times by adjusting your 'position in the box'. If you are doing everything the same you should always be in the same position at the tree. You approach the lights, light up the pre-stage light then slowly advance until the 2nd stage light is lit. You are now "in the box", ready to launch. But if you are 0.1 to 0.2 or more in your reaction time, you can nudge forward and be closer to the finish line but still keep the stage light lit. But remember to be methodical and consistent in doing so. You want to nudge ahead the same every time. Now your reaction times should be lower, proportionate to the distance you have moved in the box. This is called staging deeper. Stage too deep however and you will either "deep stage"(the 2nd stage light goes out - usually not allowed) or you will "redlight" at the launch.

Practice is the key. Too bad in today's crowded tracks, novices have a difficult time getting enough practice time. But rest assured your reaction times CAN and WILL get better.

That is a good critique driller and very good advice, Debi will appreciate the good advice. :cool:

Now let's look at the sixty foot times.

You averaged 2.383 with a standard deviation of 0.039 seconds and a high of 2.441and a low of 2.334.

THAT is consistent, but consistently high. Lots of variables come into play here, the most important is obviously traction but also important is the launch of your car. If you spin, you loose time, simple. So the obvious answer is not to spin. Traction lock differentials are not standard on any Mark VIII and without such you most likely will have the infamous "one-wheel peel" where one tire simply spins. IMHO some type of limited slip differential is a necessity for any successful sixty foot times to be had.

Tires and the track preparation play a huge role as well. If you have street tires, you usually only want to spin the tires in the burnout enough to clean them or dry them if you had to pull through the water box. Drag radials usually "like it hot"(though don't do too long of a burnout). Also you basically want to adjust your tire pressures for better traction and watch your sixty foot times for the best results. Different tracks on different days will require different tire pressures.

If you have done everything you can do and are still spinning, you need to alter your launch technique. Instead of simply mashing the go peddle, you want to deliberately roll into the throttle taking a full 1/2 second or more to have it matted.

Long story short, the first 60 feet of your race determines how good a run it will be. Most people will tell you a tenth in the sixty foot is worth TWO tenths or more in the quarter mile ET.

Your 1/8th mile times.

You averaged 10.127 @ 71.630 with a high of 10.296 @ 70.59 and a low of 9.991 @ 72.95. You varied by ONLY 0.104 seconds and 0.827 MPH(standard deviation)!

Your 1/4 mile times.

You averaged 15.493 @ 91.941 with a high of 15.731 @ 90.9 and a low of 15.269 @ 93.27. You varied by 0.156 seconds and 0.880 MPH(standard deviation).

While obviously you'd like to see quicker times and higher MPH, you can tell your car is very consistent. Once past the 60 foot mark in a Mark VIII, the car takes over as all you have to do is keep the throttle wide open and steer straight. :D

Class dismissed. Your homework assignment is practice your Reaction Times and work on your sixty foot. Be sure to study as there WILL be a pop quiz! ;)

Driller, you should write a how to book on track preperation, very good advice. :D

Driller,

Thank you for the scientific approach. Posting both numerical and graphical documentation to prove your point. Tips, hints and techniques for rookies to practice and take to heart. I tip my hat to you Sir you are one class act.

For those interested, here is a link to horsepower and ET calculators:
http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm

Driller,

Thank you for the scientific approach. Posting both numerical and graphical documentation to prove your point. Tips, hints and techniques for rookies to practice and take to heart. I tip my hat to you Sir you are one class act.

For those interested, here is a link to horsepower and ET calculators:
http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm
:I with torquemonkey. Driller that could be the title to that how to book. :D

I don't like to pee in anyones Cheerios here, but with your mods that time and trap speed just arent right. It sucks bad enough when you believe something that is false for a day or two. It sucks even more when you go to the track the next time and actually expect to run that same time and then fall really short. I just dont want you to set yourself up for disappointment is all.



And that sentiment is exactly my motivation as well.

What MarkVII? The Mark VII was not racing sorry to confuse you. I saw the Mark VII parked while I was in line waiting. I knew if I stood around it long enough the owner would pop up and sure enough after 2-3 minutes of looking it over, there he was ;) Man that MarkVII was hot!

I want to go today, but I know the track will be packed, and it won't be dry or clean! I might just to tell Phil (the guy who works there who kinda took me under his wing) the reaction I'm getting with the tracks slip!

SMOOCHES hun,
MsM8

When you come to Cecil we will sort it out. They use more VHT on TNT days than anywhere I have ever seen. There are so many very fast cars running that they keep it prepped like a race day, and the actual elevation is only a few hundred feet above sea level.

Scott, what are VHT and TNT days?

Driller that could be the title to that how to book. :D

Couldn't resist. :lol:

Some People ...:shifty: :shifty: :shifty: LOL

Class dismissed. Your homework assignment is practice your Reaction Times and work on your sixty foot. Be sure to study as there WILL be a pop quiz! ;)



I'm glad you posted the graphs and all that to properly compare those slips. I would have been WAY too lazy to do that! :D

Scott, what are VHT and TNT days?

Let me be more specific in my laziness, VHT trackbite. It's a traction compound that they spray on the track to aid in traction. TNT= Test and Tune.
Cecil doesn't have as good facilities as 131 Motorsports or Rockingham, but they have the best prepped track I have seen.

i'm really confused as to why there was so much confusion about this....the ET was obviously not from her car, and there are so many reasons that could have happened....I've gotten several "wrong" timeslips at the track, be they wrong times, MPH that couldn't possibly have matched my ET, or a completely wrong slip alltogether with another car's number, or my number and the car behind me's times, etc....happens regularly! So much drama for such a simple issue!

Yes it does happen, I got a mid 9 second slip at 145+ at 131 Motorsports Park in Martin, MI. This was after their $20,000,000 upgrade.

Thanks for the nice definitions driller. Alot of us look at the numbers and see the obvious, you spelled it out nicely. My LSE I can almost predict my 1/4 time by looking at the 60'. I can actually almost gauge my time by looking at my speedo as I cross the line also. You regular racers know what I mean. If you stick it, and cross the line fast, you may have your new best. If you don't do neither, its just another pass, hopefully you learned something on it.

Yes it does happen, I got a mid 9 second slip at 145+ at 131 Motorsports Park in Martin, MI. This was after their $20,000,000 upgrade.

See how good upgrades on the track can help your cars performance!
lololol

HOTTIES I LOVE YA ALL!

DRILLER - WOW! you are all I know you are! I think I am going to study this for a while. That is awesome driller! This is like Christmas! I'm on it driller, homework assignment taken and will be ready for quiz!! I can't say thank you enough for all the work you have done! WOW!!!!! That was totally worth all the flack I've been getting. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!SMOOCH!!!!!!

Pepp - your too sweet HOTTIE - SMOOCH!!!!

Scott - I can't wait! One q thought, can I get the wrong run time, and or wrong number when not only Terry told me that I he saw the clock in my lane read 13.421, but the guys in the booth were so impressed with it they called Brian (he works in the middle of the track) at home at 11:00 that night and told him about it? He told me today when I went and showed him that I finally got my Mark on the track. I had no idea they called him!

Brian - no smooches for you...I'm too busy looking at this REAL slip I got when I REALLY drove my MarkVIII down the track, and ya know HOTTIES. i REALLY believe that I did.

It was the 2nd oil slick of the night, they really cleaned that track down and stickied it up good, nice cool breeze going, I was the 4-5 run down it, my engine was stone cold, had less than 1/4 tank, I had taken out any wieight and I was finally getting the hang of not squeeling off the launch. I don't know if I will ever get those conditions again, but ya know, I probably will.....so get your key boards tuned up boys ;)

Like I have been saying, I really really do have to work on my launches, I could tell from my slips I was all over the chart on everything!

But HOTTIES, out of all this wonderful info and analysis, I still have not gotten an answer to the most important question!!!!! What should I do for my boy AFTER I run him like he likes to be run ;) hehe (breakfast in bed is all I know?! lololol).

I LOVE LVC's HOTTIES, SMOOCHES HOTTIES!!!! (cept Brian, he gets a PECK!)!! ?

MsM8

I always believed you Debi ;)

Couldn't resist. :lol:
Sounds good to me LOL

Let me be more specific in my laziness, VHT trackbite. It's a traction compound that they spray on the track to aid in traction. TNT= Test and Tune.
Cecil doesn't have as good facilities as 131 Motorsports or Rockingham, but they have the best prepped track I have seen.
Thanks Scott for the info. :cool:

See how good upgrades on the track can help your cars performance!
lololol

HOTTIES I LOVE YA ALL!

DRILLER - WOW! you are all I know you are! I think I am going to study this for a while. That is awesome driller! This is like Christmas! I'm on it driller, homework assignment taken and will be ready for quiz!! I can't say thank you enough for all the work you have done! WOW!!!!! That was totally worth all the flack I've been getting. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!SMOOCH!!!!!!

Pepp - your too sweet HOTTIE - SMOOCH!!!!

Scott - I can't wait! One q thought, can I get the wrong run time, and or wrong number when not only Terry told me that I he saw the clock in my lane read 13.421, but the guys in the booth were so impressed with it they called Brian (he works in the middle of the track) at home at 11:00 that night and told him about it? He told me today when I went and showed him that I finally got my Mark on the track. I had no idea they called him!

Brian - no smooches for you...I'm too busy looking at this REAL slip I got when I REALLY drove my MarkVIII down the track, and ya know HOTTIES. i REALLY believe that I did.

It was the 2nd oil slick of the night, they really cleaned that track down and stickied it up good, nice cool breeze going, I was the 4-5 run down it, my engine was stone cold, had less than 1/4 tank, I had taken out any wieight and I was finally getting the hang of not squeeling off the launch. I don't know if I will ever get those conditions again, but ya know, I probably will.....so get your key boards tuned up boys ;)

Like I have been saying, I really really do have to work on my launches, I could tell from my slips I was all over the chart on everything!

But HOTTIES, out of all this wonderful info and analysis, I still have not gotten an answer to the most important question!!!!! What should I do for my boy AFTER I run him like he likes to be run ;) hehe (breakfast in bed is all I know?! lololol).

I LOVE LVC's HOTTIES, SMOOCHES HOTTIES!!!! (cept Brian, he gets a PECK!)!! ?

MsM8

Debi you could give TUX a body rub and massage ;)

Brian - no smooches for you...I'm too busy looking at this REAL slip I got when I REALLY drove my MarkVIII down the track, and ya know HOTTIES. i REALLY believe that I did.

And that's the problem sweetie. Some of us (including Driller) are trying very hard to let you know that it didn't happen. We explained WHY it COULDN'T have happened. No DRIVER in the whole wide world could have done it. Get it?

What can I say? Sometimes the messenger gets shot.:rolleyes:

Anyone know why it says Class 99.7 under the Right Lane HO1 car on the timeslip?

Their site says this about may 5th:

BLITZ FRIDAY NIGHT STREET FIGHTS / NHRA STREET LEGAL

I want to see the car number on Debi's other slips. My guess is that they used a different numbers system for competitors and regular TNT people.

And if this was the movie "Bruce Almighty" I'd probably have a monkey crawling out of my butt right now.;)

You conservative guys are all a like LOL....:p

I'll be honest, this thread has gotten on my nerves. Its mainly because of the know it all attitudes. I'll probably get ripped for this post but I don't care. I'm having a bad day so you guys can be blessed by my presence! First off, theory is never reality. Just because it should happen a certain doesn't mean it will. For those of you saying that because you have this and that mod you should have this particular time, realize that you can't add numbers and never know how things react to each other until you try them out. To top it off, cars react different. I know some cars......Joey's cough, cough, that are just mean bone stock, compared to any other stock marks. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I'm also saying that you shouldn't be telling anyone if they are right or wrong either. Damn it! I need a beer! :drunk:

Btw, Driller you have too much time on your hands! Where the hell did you get all that info.........I need to take the time out to read it! :D

Btw, Driller you have too much time on your hands! Where the hell did you get all that info.........I need to take the time out to read it! :D

You should see me analyzing my own time slips. :burnout:

I vaguely remember somthing about this condition from my electro-shock therapy sessions... I think it's called chronic compulsive obsessiveness... or something like that. :runaway:

I vaguely remember somthing about this condition from my electro-shock therapy sessions...

that stuff works? I tried the tazer guns hoping for the same affect and it only made my hair stand up...........:facesjump

I'll be honest, this thread has gotten on my nerves. Its mainly because of the know it all attitudes. :D

Well put Dave!! Well Put... There has been too much discussion.. I believe the point was made many posts ago... And Debi even appreciates all the input..

No matter what happens Debi still got to celebrate the slip.... Don't know how many Jello shots she did after but I bet there were a few!!!

That reminds me I'll need to get some good Jello molds for the July Meet....

that stuff works? I tried the tazer guns hoping for the same affect and it only made my hair stand up...........:facesjump
Dave, have you ever tried a cattle prod. :D

Well put Dave!! Well Put... There has been too much discussion.. I believe the point was made many posts ago... And Debi even appreciates all the input..

No matter what happens Debi still got to celebrate the slip.... Don't know how many Jello shots she did after but I bet there were a few!!!

That reminds me I'll need to get some good Jello molds for the July Meet....
No matter what is said now or posted now, i agree Rich, Debi got to celebrate the time slip and will get to continue her celebration of the time slip, because she earned it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be honest, this thread has gotten on my nerves. Its mainly because of the know it all attitudes. I'll probably get ripped for this post but I don't care. I'm having a bad day so you guys can be blessed by my presence! First off, theory is never reality. Just because it should happen a certain doesn't mean it will. For those of you saying that because you have this and that mod you should have this particular time, realize that you can't add numbers and never know how things react to each other until you try them out. To top it off, cars react different. I know some cars......Joey's cough, cough, that are just mean bone stock, compared to any other stock marks. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I'm also saying that you shouldn't be telling anyone if they are right or wrong either. Damn it! I need a beer! :drunk:

Btw, Driller you have too much time on your hands! Where the hell did you get all that info.........I need to take the time out to read it! :D


Jibit, when those of us who have been racing for years and KNOW what it takes to get a certain vehicle to a certain ET and MPH see this then that is when the BS flags start to come out. There is no room for interpretation about this. The anything can happen saying does apply. But it applies one heck of a lot more toward running as fast as before or slower due to bad driving. The anything can happen excuse/reason when dropping 2+ seconds off your ET and adding 10+ MPH trap speed is just ludicrous. Sorry but a person couldn't get that trap speed on a cold day in Antarctica with a ram air and a 75 degree heated downhill track with those mods! lol.

There are certain cars that are somewhat freakish from the factory, but not by this large of a margin. Then factor in the previous time slips from that night and you got the big picture. Sorry but you dont drop 2+ seconds off ET and add 10 MPH trap speed between going from a hot car and bad run to a cold car and a great run. There just isn't going to be that HUGE of a difference.

Those of us whom are pretty knowledgeable in this have stated many times why it could not happen and then even analyzed why it didn't happen and there are still people that don't understand or agree with the findings? Not theory, but actual factual evidence that proves what really happened. Sorry but for those of you who believe this still happened, you are living in your own world not governed by such laws as physics. Well, all I got to say to those individuals is to lay off the ganja pipe.

I really don't know what your purpose was for stating the know it all comment, but we stated what really happened because we do know. Maybe not all of everything about racing, but enough to tell that this didn't happen.

Since none of us were there that night but Debi, no one can prove that it didn't happen, all we have to go on is her word and that is good enough for me. A ganja pipe never touched one and never will, there are to many problems in this crazy world to mess with that.

Since none of us were there that night but Debi, no one can prove that it didn't happen, all we have to go on is her word and that is good enough for me.


Pepper... you really think that. :)


Those of you who still choose to believe that timeslip give us real racers a bad name. I have encountered ricers with more sense.

Pepper...you really think that. :)

Those of you who still choose to believe that timeslip give us real racers a bad name. I have encountered ricers with more sense.
Damn, but I agree! I'm no big racer but have ran several cars many times to know enough that it isn't possible. Taking the car to the track weeks on end, spending money and time to improve its time is being insulted here. Its just not as easy as track conditions being right. Everyones tried to be nice and explain why, but still some believe.

Why is it that you must call me names? I have never insulted anyone or what they have done to better their cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

He's not really calling you names. He's just stating that to believe in the possibility of the time slip being real is just stupid in general. I'm not calling anyone stupid, but its stupid to believe its possible.

Why is it that you must call me names? I have never insulted anyone or what they have done to better their cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


You DO know that one definition of insanity is: Constantly doing things different and expecting the same results. Or vice versa...

Going by your logic if the weather is right then who needs a turbocharger in a Mustang to run 8's in the 1/4??? I will just wait till January when its cold out and run my mildly modded LS and hold my breath in anticipation of getting my 11 second timeslip! ;) hehehehehhe. This has become more of a joke than anything to me by now, but if you want to know my opinion of your ways of thinking pepper, well you already have it. :cool:

I believe it's time this thread ends!!!

Thanks for the nice definitions driller. Alot of us look at the numbers and see the obvious, you spelled it out nicely. My LSE I can almost predict my 1/4 time by looking at the 60'. I can actually almost gauge my time by looking at my speedo as I cross the line also. You regular racers know what I mean. If you stick it, and cross the line fast, you may have your new best. If you don't do neither, its just another pass, hopefully you learned something on it.

Oh, that is the secret! Yeah I learned - I gotta wear a SPEEDO!, as long as it is pink, ummm with rhinestones! lolol But isn't it unsafe too look down while your flying down the track! Just teasing Hottie...

Yeah, any moron can look at the slips and see the obvious, but the slips only tell half the story. The 4th car to run down a cool, dry, clean fresh sticky track, staged shallow (just learned before the alleged "impossible" run), cold engine, and each run I made I changed at least one variable. I would take my slip to my track guy after each run and he would advise me things to try or leave. Oh, and the 145,000 combined miles I have put on a 94 MarkVIII and a 96 LSC MARKVIII, (those weren't put on just going to the grocery and church either babe, just put my name into the search engine of the franklin county public records web site!!). Neither of my Marks had the power this one has...weird stuff always happens to me, and I am going to go on believing that my Mark (well really I say he's LVC's Mark ;) ran that time, I don't believe anything is impossible.

Driller, in no way am I discounting your mathmatical equations, they are awesome and I wish I had your spreadsheet, I'd like to keep track of my runs with them! They are very helpful and I believe it will help me improve my consistency. I also really appreciate you taking the time to do all of that work! THANK YOU!!!!!

Scott, get your foot ready, I can't wait to ride with you, even if we don't duplicate the time, we are going to have some fast hot fun! The track here is closed till May 31 because of the Pontiac Spring Nationals :(, so I don't know where I'm going to go, or if I can everything else is a few hours away.

Thanks Again HOTTIES!

SMOOCHES
MsM8

Thanks for the nice definitions driller. Alot of us look at the numbers and see the obvious, you spelled it out nicely. My LSE I can almost predict my 1/4 time by looking at the 60'. I can actually almost gauge my time by looking at my speedo as I cross the line also. You regular racers know what I mean. If you stick it, and cross the line fast, you may have your new best. If you don't do neither, its just another pass, hopefully you learned something on it.

you must be pritty good at bs'n yourself then. you know your speed fluctuates when your racin. you could have a fast speed and a slow time, cuz you spun it...but you could run the same speed, but a fast time, cuz you stuck it. and you dont realy know how bad the spinnin is till you see the slip.

Yeah, any moron can look at the slips and see the obvious, but the slips only tell half the story. The 4th car to run down a cool, dry, clean fresh sticky track, staged shallow (just learned before the alleged "impossible" run), cold engine, and each run I made I changed at least one variable.

lol....wow....

Class dismissed. Your homework assignment is practice your Reaction Times and work on your sixty foot. Be sure to study as there WILL be a pop quiz! ;)

i dont need to work on my r/t's teacher!

you must be pritty good at bs'n yourself then. you know your speed fluctuates when your racin. you could have a fast speed and a slow time, cuz you spun it...but you could run the same speed, but a fast time, cuz you stuck it. and you dont realy know how bad the spinnin is till you see the slip.


Uuuum I really dont see anywhere that LSE...... was bsing himself. If you launch just as good as the previous run and you go through the traps at a higher mph then it is pretty safe to say that you probably ran a better time.

Trap speed does fluctuate when racing usually due to launch and also missing gears in a manual car. That fluctuation is by fractions and maybe even a whole mph or two at times. Not 10 mph due to just conditions and launch technique. If you stick the launch you will usually not run the same speed, you will actually run a lower trap speed than when you spin. Unless your spinning forever of course, in which case you have eaten up too much track to give yourself time to accelerate to the higher trap speed.

Let me be more specific in my laziness, VHT trackbite. It's a traction compound that they spray on the track to aid in traction. TNT= Test and Tune.
Cecil doesn't have as good facilities as 131 Motorsports or Rockingham, but they have the best prepped track I have seen.

when im runnin good, im so gonna get down to cecil, it sounds like a beast of a track.

And that's the problem sweetie. Some of us (including Driller) are trying very hard to let you know that it didn't happen. We explained WHY it COULDN'T have happened. No DRIVER in the whole wide world could have done it. Get it?

What can I say? Sometimes the messenger gets shot.:rolleyes:

heheh no not shot... worse! no smooches...oh and yeah I get it REALly I do, heheh so now I'm not of this earth, that explains soooo much! Thanks hun! ;)

MsM8

You DO know that one definition of insanity is: Constantly doing things different and expecting the same results. Or vice versa...

Going by your logic if the weather is right then who needs a turbocharger in a Mustang to run 8's in the 1/4??? I will just wait till January when its cold out and run my mildly modded LS and hold my breath in anticipation of getting my 11 second timeslip! ;) hehehehehhe.


dont forget to look down at your speedo (just what is so interesting down there anyway!)
This has become more of a joke than anything to me by now, but if you want to know my opinion of your ways of thinking pepper, well you already have it. :cool:



Look at the pot calling the kettle black, anyone with intelligence would not need to stoop to the above comments.

MsM8

Look at the pot calling the kettle black, anyone with intelligence would not need to stoop to the above comments.

MsM8



It wasn't a mere comment. It was a very astute description based upon information presented to me in this thread, actually. :cool:

i dont need to work on my r/t's teacher!

I DO!

MsM8

It wasn't a mere comment. It was a very astute description based upon information presented to me in this thread, actually. :cool:

Mine, yes, thank you.

you must be pritty good at bs'n yourself then. you know your speed fluctuates when your racin. you could have a fast speed and a slow time, cuz you spun it...but you could run the same speed, but a fast time, cuz you stuck it. and you dont realy know how bad the spinnin is till you see the slip.
You've been on this site longer than me but when I jumped on, people openly told you were to go and not to come back. I'm no BSer. The LSE doesn't have such a traction problem so it s been very consistent as far as speed and time. I'd be willing to post all 14 runs and would bet that with drillers spread sheet you'd find its very consistent. Last weekend the track was cold and slick, I could tell the first run that it wasn't my best, I was right. Next run I tried to adjust, same result. You confuse 800hp cars with lots of variables with a daily driver with little variables. It can only do so much better, and at some point, you've ran your best. Sad thing is if you don't admit it.

Anyone know why it says Class 99.7 under the Right Lane HO1 car on the timeslip?
Their site says this about may 5th:
BLITZ FRIDAY NIGHT STREET FIGHTS / NHRA STREET LEGAL
I want to see the car number on Debi's other slips. My guess is that they used a different numbers system for competitors and regular TNT people.

I was curious about that today also, but work got in the way and didn't have a chance to call.

2 out of the 9 slips only I have that number under mine,
4 out of the 9 slips have that numbers under mine and the other driver
5 slips have no numbers under me or the other driver

the 2 with the number under only me, i won one and lost one
2 with numbers under both drivers I won ;)
1 with number under only me I lost
1 with number under only me I won

I'll call tomorrow and ask.

oh....gesh.....I'm sooooo easy!

SMOOCH! not "S", I aint THAT easy! heheh

MsM8

OH MAN! I JUST thought of who Deb is reminding me of lately! KEN MOTZ! heheheheehehhe. Oh man............:lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote:
Originally Posted by driller
I vaguely remember somthing about this condition from my electro-shock therapy sessions...

Driller it worked for you! and very nicely I might add.....

that stuff works? I tried the tazer guns hoping for the same affect and it only made my hair stand up...........:facesjump

ummm Prezz,.. HOTTIE, put the gun down....you have no hair babe.....just put the tazer gun down and walk away. Don't worry though, your HOT AS HE11 BALD!

SMOOCH on top of that SEXXXY HOT BALD head of yours (daz right triple X)!

MsM8

You DO know that one definition of insanity is: Constantly doing things different and expecting the same results. Or vice versa...

Going by your logic if the weather is right then who needs a turbocharger in a Mustang to run 8's in the 1/4??? I will just wait till January when its cold out and run my mildly modded LS and hold my breath in anticipation of getting my 11 second timeslip! ;) hehehehehhe. This has become more of a joke than anything to me by now, but if you want to know my opinion of your ways of thinking pepper, well you already have it. :cool:


I have waited until this morning to respond to your comment, this personal attack on me because i have a different view point than you, is totally uncalled for. Debi is my friend and her word is still good enough for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know what everyone's problem is lately, but you all need to calm down. If I resorted to name calling and bickering everytime I E-feelings got hurt, I would'nt be half as far on my projects. I'd still be on here nit picking with everyone.


I'm getting tired of doing this, but this thread is also....... DONE.


Mike