http://www.shoplaser.com/spinner%20exhaust%20tip%20pop%20out.gif

I put a set of these on the LS today. Immediatly noticed a 3-7 HP increase. They sound great!

http://www.shoplaser.com/spinner%20exhaust%20tip%20pop%20out.gif

Personally I wouldn't want my exhaust to look like a helicopter getting an erection. How did you manage to "notice" 3-7 horsepower? That's something the producers of The Fast and the Furious could even make fun of. That's all I can say.

http://www.shoplaser.com/spinner%20exhaust%20tip%20pop%20out.gif

I put a set of these on the LS today. Immediatly noticed a 3-7 HP increase. They sound great!

http://www.shoplaser.com/spinner%20exhaust%20tip%20pop%20out.gif

:eek: You're kidding, right?

As the fan spins it creates a small negative pressure in the exhaust system. The exhaust is actually "vacuumed" out of the combustion chamber. The more the cfm flowing past the fan the faster it spins, and the more vacuum it pulls. Its like a supercharger, but in reverse. QUICK LS is putting all that effort into cramming more air into the LS's intake....this technology is just the opposite, it PULLS the fuel and air through the motor instead of PUSHING it. With peoper tuning the turbo tips are worth up to 30 hp.

Please, please, please, tell me this is a joke. It looks like you actually believe this crap...

Personally I wouldn't want my exhaust to look like a helicopter getting an erection.
That's the best description I've ever heard for this piece of semi-bling. :D

So let me get this straight, 3-7 hp that you felt was gained? I'd use another sexual reference to explain the in and out movement of the 'reverse supercharger', but what would be the purpose of that?

So let's see: Exhaust flows through the spinner blades thus making it turn at the same rate of expelled gas? ... and we're supposed to believe that creates negative pressure by itself, thus creating more power? ... and you actually dyno tested these results?? Lessons in physics are readily available at your local college.

Turbines are used to induct and pressurize air for better combustion when combined with fuel, not the other way around. Now, if the spinner exhaust were motorized and spun at a rate quicker than that of the expelled gas ... nah, wait ... that doesn't work either.

Face it, this isn’t useful, it’s not advanced, and it doesn’t look sharp enough to be cutting edge, so it must be… Bling! Yes, for the ride that has everything, the Exhaust Tip Spinner! Sort of like an exhaust-powered Veg-o-matic, this unit spins up in the exhaust flow, mesmerizing following traffic and amazing all who gaze upon its spinnee wonderfulness. :rolleyes:

But in your defense Ken, I've never seen your car nor do you have any pictures in your gallery, so I must assume once again that you are kidding ... BAH!! ... good one Ken!! :lol:

guys he's kidding...I hope...

that picture is bull:q:q:q:q lol. dont believe everything you see. this guy is just trying to make fools out of you.

The physics of the turbo exhaust tip is not a mystery. It imparts a small negative pressure on the exhaust side of the system. It has to do with the centerline of the cam lobe (105/degrees) on the exhaust side. Its noat really the turbo tip that makes and HP but rather the engines ability to stand more advance timing without preignition. For every 2-3 degrees of advance you can put into a motor it will respond with more HP. With the exhaust spinner it only aids in this effect. The spinner makes no hp, but as it spins faster and draws a vacuum on the exhaust side of the cam it thinks it hase a smaller base circle on the lobe and it takes more advance timing, and hence more power. On some rice vehicles they get 50hp out of turbo exhaust tips. It just barely works on v8 motors because they require so much more cfm.

nice;)

As the fan spins it creates a small negative pressure in the exhaust system. The exhaust is actually "vacuumed" out of the combustion chamber. The more the cfm flowing past the fan the faster it spins, and the more vacuum it pulls. Its like a supercharger, but in reverse. QUICK LS is putting all that effort into cramming more air into the LS's intake....this technology is just the opposite, it PULLS the fuel and air through the motor instead of PUSHING it. With peoper tuning the turbo tips are worth up to 30 hp.

:bsflag: You have to remember he's most likely using "the butt dyno"

You have just made everyone stupider for reading this post.

The exhaust is actually "vacuumed" out of the combustion chamber. The more the cfm flowing past the fan the faster it spins, and the more vacuum it pulls.

I'm going to have to agree w/ lead foot. This vacuum idea... THIS IS TOTALLY BS!!

All this this is a metal pinwheel, nothing more. Basically, your saying that if you blow into a pinwheel, it's going to actually create a negative pressure which actually sucks MORE air out of your lungs causing you to expell more air outta your lungs until your blue in the face and pass out.....

It's gonna take more than a section "copy / paste" from the pinwheel website to make a believer outta people..

But if there was factual data on this, how come no one ever seems them on cars these days?

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

The physics of the turbo exhaust tip is not a mystery. It imparts a small negative pressure on the exhaust side of the system. It has to do with the centerline of the cam lobe (105/degrees) on the exhaust side. Its noat really the turbo tip that makes and HP but rather the engines ability to stand more advance timing without preignition. For every 2-3 degrees of advance you can put into a motor it will respond with more HP. With the exhaust spinner it only aids in this effect. The spinner makes no hp, but as it spins faster and draws a vacuum on the exhaust side of the cam it thinks it hase a smaller base circle on the lobe and it takes more advance timing, and hence more power. On some rice vehicles they get 50hp out of turbo exhaust tips. It just barely works on v8 motors because they require so much more cfm.

Well that explains it. Damn, all my years of race-engine building and I never thought it would be so simple. I guess all the top-fuel dragster and funny cars will be running them next season too. :rolleyes: Bring that car down to Speed Injected (http://www.speedinjected.com) (my old shop) in Hallandale, Florida and we'll pop it on the dyno and prove everyone here wrong. Dude, you're beatin' a dead horse; don't believe all you read. I give up. :why:

The physics of the turbo exhaust tip is not a mystery. It imparts a small negative pressure on the exhaust side of the system. It has to do with the centerline of the cam lobe (105/degrees) on the exhaust side. Its noat really the turbo tip that makes and HP but rather the engines ability to stand more advance timing without preignition. For every 2-3 degrees of advance you can put into a motor it will respond with more HP. With the exhaust spinner it only aids in this effect. The spinner makes no hp, but as it spins faster and draws a vacuum on the exhaust side of the cam it thinks it hase a smaller base circle on the lobe and it takes more advance timing, and hence more power. On some rice vehicles they get 50hp out of turbo exhaust tips. It just barely works on v8 motors because they require so much more cfm.

This is getting funnier by the second. This guy has people thinking that he actually BELIEVES that this stuff works. It must be April 1st, just here in December.

On some rice vehicles they get 50hp out of turbo exhaust tips. It just barely works on v8 motors because they require so much more cfm.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: OH MY GOD! THAT PART OF THE THREAD JUST SUNK IN! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

http://www.xs-engineering.com/media/products/30.jpg

The spining turbo exhaust tip speaks for itself. As you step on the exhaust it is pushed out of the exhaust tip and it starts to spin. As it pulls a vacuum it is "pulled" back into the exhaust system. Watch the video clip. It is what it is.

See the attached dyno sheet showing a small HP increase on a 2004 LS.

Its not a big increase in HP but its still cheap HP.

They are actually coming out with a double bladed model that is supposedly good for 10+ HP! Remember, the ECU advances the timing based on the vacuum of the turbo exhaust and this is what brings about the HP increases. I agree with the posts that say the tip does nothing.....its the resultant timing curve increase that brings on the HP.

hahahaha i love this guy....:D


I remember when this was first posted some time ago, people just made fun of it and that was that. You have taken it to an entirely new level, and your answers to people's questions are just great.

Guys he has to be joking. Ken if you really have two of those on ur car, I really need to see some pictures. Also I use to own a 96 Mustang GT and added a few bolt-ons. I have to say you can't really feel a 3-7hp gain...no way, but maybe that's just me.

Hard to believe but he backs it up with some pretty good scientific evidence.
Guy must be a genius.

Does it at least have that cool Captain Midnite whistle sound? If it does I'm gonna get one.

I used to have one on my beanie, and it made me at least 5mph faster in a foot race, so the physics must be correct.

Jim Henderson

where did that dyno chart come from?my 2003 dynoed at 239 rear wheels in 4th gear.what did you do,pull the motor and bolt it straight up?i don't beleive it and i know your not pulling 330hp at the rear wheels,if you are you must be confused,thats not a lincoln ls your driving....

Leadfoot, once again I'm with you, after ONE second of looking at that graph, immedietly I noticed the HP levels.. the V8 comes 252... And this is saying 334...

I have to say once again my phrase:
It's gonna take more than a section that was "copy / paste" from the pinwheel website to make a believer outta people..

Hey, what's the deal with another "leadfoot"?? My screen name is "Lead Foot", yet there seems to be another with lowercase "leadfoot". Well, just to clear it, there is no relation so please be careful as to whom you refer! :D

Impressive dyno ... Lincoln LS? Doubtful ... Variances in relative humidity and temperatures between dyno pulls? Possible ... now somebody call XS Engineering to confirm. But Ken - "50" additional horsepower on "ricers"?? Check out my previous car (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/400454) and I'll attempt to explain what it takes to get that kind of horsepower since this was one of many "ricers" I built myself.

hey leadfoot is there anyway to get those style 240 lights on a 93 240 with the headlights that have to be raised

hey leadfoot is there anyway to get those style 240 lights on a 93 240 with the headlights that have to be raised

You mean "Lead Foot"?? hehe ... Not to get off-topic (yeah, like it matters in this post), yes I've seen conversions but I couldn't tell you how much modification was involved.

You guys have no clue! Heres the deal, first off.....all your cars are the OLDER LS models! You all have 252/HP at BEST to start with! The 2005-06 models have 280/290/HP motors from the factory! All late model LS cars have this motor! Check it out on the Lincoln web site!

Second, I have the KKM, and the SCT reflash and its no imposible to have the power levels in the dyno chart! I added the turbo exhaust tips and the results are clear! Ask the guys at XS Engineering where I ran 3 hours of dyno tests! I used their dyno to tune with the SCT flasher and get the car tuned!

The turbo tips are a sound way to add horsepower! The dyno results prove it!

Next, I am going to add an MSD unit with multipe spark discharge and an auto timing curve feature that further exploits the negative exhaust pressure of the tips! This in conjunction with an MSD crank trigger will add another 7-9 HP!

Remember guys, all the late model LS cars have VVT timing and a higher HP motor from the start!

And one last thing! I'm going to and the XS Engineering "grounding kit" to the car and add another 8 hp! Why, because the Lincoln LS remote battery has a wimpy "ground connection" and the elect system starves for energy and the voltage drops. A properly installed grounding kit will add even more power....and everyone will argue that mod as well!

AH geeze - if your not kidding i may just have to ban you :D

#1) The only ways for an LS, even new, to put down 330 rwhp would be to either do what Lou is doing, adding a s/c setup, what Mike Pietras did with a turbo setup, or a shot of nitrous.

#2) (Joke) The spinning exhaust tips do work, they increase the vacuum pressure through the exhaust tip, causing a black hole at the end of the tailpipe, reducing emissions 100% and the backup of exhaust vapors. Also, when the tips spin, it gives the 3600 lb car more acceleration, think of them as reverse plane propellors. The in and out function of the spinning tips is not intended by the design, it's just all that 3-7 hp gained that almost pops the helicopter blade out of the exhaust tips, too much power:woowoo2: .

(Joke)New Idea, We'll call it the Oreck Challenge. I've been working with Mr. Oreck to run a lightweight vaccum setup, only 8 lbs, to each of the exhaust tips from the inside of the trunk. With the new ground wire setup, the energy gained by the vacuum should create a twice as powerful black hole, in each tailpipe! this should increase the power of the new LS V8 motor to around 750hp at the rear wheels.

Dyno Results are in... Please end this

I find it rather wierd you ran 3 hours of dyno testing for what I dub..." Worst Mod Ever!"

is this thread a joke ?

Next, I am going to add an MSD unit with multipe spark discharge and an auto timing curve feature that further exploits the negative exhaust pressure of the tips! This in conjunction with an MSD crank trigger will add another 7-9 HP!



That is interesting. I was in contact with MSD just the other day and they do not have any units for the LS yet. Must have had a very fast development and manufacturing cycle.:) :rolleyes: :):Beer

P.S. KD00LS, tell me that little icon isnt Bubb Rubb? " The whistles go Woo WOOOOOO"

P.S. KD00LS, tell me that little icon isnt Bubb Rubb? " The whistles go Woo WOOOOOO"

You bet it is, the whistle sound is actually the black hole being formed. I could see if the "spinner" was stationary, but it's not. It's spinning with the damn exhaust, it won't do anything except get you harassed and ruin a car. I'll admit if I had a powdered white lace glove and you were in front of me, I would indeed challenge you to a duel. Don't ever flood the forum with this crap again.

This guy needs to kicked off for the stupidiest mod ever. This is horible, I seriously feel dumber by just reading this thread and all the replys he had to fire back. HAHA Oh my I must go now so I can re-gain my smarts.

-Scott-

This guy needs to kicked off for the stupidiest mod ever. This is horible, I seriously feel dumber by just reading this thread and all the replys he had to fire back. HAHA Oh my I must go now so I can re-gain my smarts.

-Scott-

I agree.

This thread is hilarious, even though i want the last 5 minutes of my life back for reading this it did cause a slight chuckle......

Even if it did provide 5-6 or 7 HP whatever ! I wouldnt put that pinwheel in my car, esthetically it looks horrible.... thats my personal opinion though...

P.S no reason to ban the guy, its makes the site fun and funny.....

is this thread a joke ?
One way or the other, yes. I just can't decide if it's "ha ha" funny :) or "hmmm" funny :confused:.

This thread is hilarious, even though i want the last 5 minutes of my life back for reading this it did cause a slight chuckle......
Agreed. KD00LS's quote about looking like a "helicopter with an erection" was worth the whole lot. :D

Hey....like I said; the dyno sheet does not lie! Your guys problem is that YOU all have the 252/HP cars! The late model LS's are 280/hp+ right out of the gate! The exhaust tip turbo boosters just help a little bit and they allow the timing to be advanced ever so slightly. The variable valve timing on all the late model cars also helps this effect. You can also run a fatter gap on the plugs (.010") and this results in a larger flame kernal and even more power! Also, the suction on the exhaust side of the head creates a cooling effect that helps take out heat from the combustion chamber, this results is less pre-ignition detonation and more timing advance!

My next 5HP trick is to supply the coil's (voltage) with 18 volts instead of 12 volts and the output is then increased and the coil for a hotter spark! This will allow for a fatter fuel mixture!

You can gain 5HP in small increments, and it all adds up!

XS Engineering sells the "grounding kit" the voltage amplifier for the coils AND the turbo exhaust tips! Why would they sell and install all this stuff if it had no effect!

Why would they sell and install all this stuff if it had no effect!
Because PT Barnum was correct?

BTW, I have a 284hp '04 LS V8.

Hey....like I said; the dyno sheet does not lie! Your guys problem is that YOU all have the 252/HP cars! The late model LS's are 280/hp+ right out of the gate! The exhaust tip turbo boosters just help a little bit and they allow the timing to be advanced ever so slightly. The variable valve timing on all the late model cars also helps this effect. You can also run a fatter gap on the plugs (.010") and this results in a larger flame kernal and even more power! Also, the suction on the exhaust side of the head creates a cooling effect that helps take out heat from the combustion chamber, this results is less pre-ignition detonation and more timing advance!

My next 5HP trick is to supply the coil's (voltage) with 18 volts instead of 12 volts and the output is then increased and the coil for a hotter spark! This will allow for a fatter fuel mixture!

You can gain 5HP in small increments, and it all adds up!

XS Engineering sells the "grounding kit" the voltage amplifier for the coils AND the turbo exhaust tips! Why would they sell and install all this stuff if it had no effect!

Great maybe they can get Santa to drop it off for you on his rounds.

Spinning fans on the end of exhaust tips, hahahaha that is hilarious. I would rather have less horsepower than spinning fans on an LS, that is just tacky.

Hey....like I said; the dyno sheet does not lie! Your guys problem is that YOU all have the 252/HP cars! The late model LS's are 280/hp+ right out of the gate!

Yeah you know what, you've been right all along. We all feel marginalized because we only have 252 hp (and only 252hp) and you have more than 280-290 (just because you said so). Don't make it out to be like we're the bad guys, we're trying to help. Maybe a day of rehab, such as talking to some guys at the local racetrack, might help you out. Bring a vacuum and put on a little demonstration. Sheesh.

You guys have no clue!

Yes, I do.

And one last thing! I'm going to and the XS Engineering "grounding kit" to the car and add another 8 hp! Why, because the Lincoln LS remote battery has a wimpy "ground connection" and the elect system starves for energy and the voltage drops. A properly installed grounding kit will add even more power....and everyone will argue that mod as well!

I will not argue the grounding kit issue ... I've seen them work on high-horsepower turbo cars on the dyno, personally.

I know the guys at XS from modifying a few RX-7s years ago. If the results you got from the addition of the spinners is true, so be it. Ken, whether or not the spinner works, personally (don't be offended) it's a very tacky mod especially for a Lincoln.

I am a bit leary of the HP compared to WHP statements going on here. The pre-03 LS8's were indeed 252hp compared to the 03/current 280hp, (both manufacturer claimed). Your dyno chart shows "wheel" horsepower since XS uses a chassis dyno. We all know that there is a big difference between wheel HP and HP at the crank. There is no way the dyno shown is of the LS reading 334whp. If you take 282 crankshaft horsepower which is what Ford/Lincoln claim and subtract 14.5% (search SAE), then subtract around 10% to 15% and you'll get about true horsepower at the rear wheels, 216whp. The actual formula contains a curve for power loss through gears and there's another curve for power lost in a tire. Remember, too - that unless you dyno your engine you are only likely to get a crankshaft number from the manufacturer and that's probably a "good" one that the marketing department is providing.

So this would mean that if your LS was dyno'd on XS's chassis dyno, your mods to date total 118 additional wheel horsepower. :eek: Bull.

I don't know Ken ... I'm still very skeptical of your "proof".

$50 says he's kidding. any takers?

$50 says he's kidding. any takers?

Maybe this thread will just continue through April 1st 2006 ... THAT might explain it!

i just installed these on my car, i am currently up to 315hp these bad boys gave me 65hp. ken you really need to put these on then the exhaust helicopters, it would really set the ls off. and think of how many people will be drawn to your awesome and fast car.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/bubbrubbvideo.html

what do u guys think.

its tooo good to be true i cant believe how fast i made my ls. HEY LOU you need these

i just installed these on my car, i am currently up to 315hp these bad boys gave me 65hp. ken you really need to put these on then the exhaust helicopters, it would really set the ls off. and think of how many people will be drawn to your awesome and fast car.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/bubbrubbvideo.html

what do u guys think.

Yeyah-yeyah-boyeeeee!! :rolleyes: And those coming from a guy who nearly causes an accident on video for local news broadcast by running a stop sign! There should be a law for rampant stupidity!

AWESOME research itsnotmydaddys, I think I am buying a flat of them and passing them out to all my friends and family for the X-Mas. HAHA

-Scott-

I'm going to ask Ken Garrison to start stocking these turbo tips and grounding kits as a package. Then you guys can try it for yourself.

FYI...Torrie called me today and he has a "special" tune for the SCT flasher that exploits the turbo tips and he's making it available now to everyone that has the SCT flasher.

To prove the additional HP I'm going to send Quick LS (LOU) a set of the tips so he can put on his car and do dyno runs with and without when he is testing the new supercharger set up. They should compliment that effort and add a bit more performance! Lou is great at installing stuff on an LS.

I'm going to ask Ken Garrison to start stocking these turbo tips and grounding kits as a package. Then you guys can try it for yourself.

FYI...Torrie called me today and he has a "special" tune for the SCT flasher that exploits the turbo tips and he's making it available now to everyone that has the SCT flasher.

To prove the additional HP I'm going to send Quick LS (LOU) a set of the tips so he can put on his car and do dyno runs with and without when he is testing the new supercharger set up. They should compliment that effort and add a bit more performance! Lou is great at installing stuff on an LS.


I honestly can't see how a fan, running of the exhaust speed, which would make the speed of the fan the same, would make any power. The only difference I could see is after the fan, which would have no affect on the car.

Ken, please clear this up as I've posted some concerns here and have yet to get a straight rebutle ...

Is the dyno chart reflected here of your car (or any LS) or not? You state it's a 2004 LS ... I don't believe it; see my response regarding the LS wheel HP vs. crank HP and the chassis dyno which XS uses. Please prove it.

Also, please respond to the comment regarding the addition of 50 horsepower on the "ricers" when adding these spinners. Again, please prove it.

There are many inconsistancies in your repsonses, and I for one continue to be skeptical. I live in the land of super modified Hondas, Nissans and Toyotas (my last car was a 500whp 240SX) ... I frequent Moroso motorspeedway and NEVER have I seen these spinners used on ANY of them much less anyone speaking of them as you do. Though I do not participate, I've also been to the street races on US27 (featured in Super Street last year) and other areas not to be mentioned ... trust me, they'd be laughed right off the strip especially staking claims of such.

This post is insulting to say the least. I refuse to see how this is NOT a joke. There are many products on the market that make claims and do not deliver ... this is one of those products that is not worth the effort regardless of cost-vs-claim.

Ken, please clear this up as I've posted some concerns here and have yet to get a straight rebutle ...

Is the dyno chart reflected here of your car (or any LS) or not? You state it's a 2004 LS ... I don't believe it; see my response regarding the LS wheel HP vs. crank HP and the chassis dyno which XS uses. Please prove it.

Also, please respond to the comment regarding the addition of 50 horsepower on the "ricers" when adding these spinners. Again, please prove it.

There are many inconsistancies in your repsonses, and I for one continue to be skeptical. I live in the land of super modified Hondas, Nissans and Toyotas (my last car was a 500whp 240SX) ... I frequent Moroso motorspeedway and NEVER have I seen these spinners used on ANY of them much less anyone speaking of them as you do. Though I do not participate, I've also been to the street races on US27 (featured in Super Street last year) and other areas not to be mentioned ... trust me, they'd be laughed right off the strip especially staking claims of such.

This post is insulting to say the least. I refuse to see how this is NOT a joke. There are many products on the market that make claims and do not deliver ... this is one of those products that is not worth the effort regardless of cost-vs-claim.

Man I can't believe you guys are still along for Ken's fun ride. I'm really starting to worry about the group here. Did anyone stop to READ any of his posts? He's pulling our legs bigtime and we just keep coming back and asking for more:)

I think I will have to consolidate all of Ken's posts on this thread and then send them out to over 250 car sites on my database. I think the Vet guys and a few others might have a field day with Ken. I am also afraid that his sales of the 'copter blades' will explode like overcooked rice with the "under 2 liter" crowd. LOL.

This thread (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=399203) might help some of you out in internet lala land to keep your head on straight. Over 1,650 million views and 2000 comments. Ouch. Be careful what you say out there.

This Sounds Like A Pep Boy Mod. You Know Kind Of Like Back In 1996 When Is Was Cool To Go To Pep Boys And Stick, Bolt And Tape As Much Crap On Your Ride And Then Go Crusin. I Dont Know You Ken Mots But Just To Make Sure That U Know That Im Not Making Fun Of You. All I Want Is To See Is If Anyone Els Bought This And Got The Same Results. I Had A Tip Like That Back In The Day It Was Blue And On A 89 Honda Crx. It Was Attached To A 1 1/4 Inch Pipe Needless To Say It Was Kicked Off My Car By Someone I Didnt Know. Oh Yeah Did I Mention That It Was Resonated. Hahahahahaaha Well Worth It. I Value The Lesson I Learned. One More Thing Ken Go Outside Take A Look. U Own A Lincoln Ls Act Like It Please

Man I can't believe you guys are still along for Ken's fun ride. I'm really starting to worry about the group here. Did anyone stop to READ any of his posts? He's pulling our legs bigtime and we just keep coming back and asking for more:)


NO KIDDING!!! The scary thing to me is that some people are actually bothering to try to get technical with him on it. hehe. It is obvious that this guy is joking. For those of you who are trying to refute this fella's posts or mods, I think you all really need help. My 5 year old step-son could see through all this. hehe. I have had a better laugh while readin all the replies to the post versus just the original posts and poster himself. You people kill me. :D

I Dont Think Anyone Want To Hurt His Feelings But This Post Is Like Saying Pin Stripes Make Your Car Faster

You guys got this mod all wrong. It does make your car faster. It does not, however, increase HP. "What faster without increase in HP, how does that work???" Ill tell you how it works. This mod is actually similar to adding another engine, infact its similar to adding two engines because we have duel exhaust. Note the picture below, Its an airboat. The boat is powered by a motor. The turbo exhaust tips are identical except they are powered by exhaust rather then a motor. Everything should be clear now.

Exactly! I'm glad someone here has some sense!

These turbo exhaust spinners do make a car go faster! Maybe a small amount, yes....but still faster.

AWESOME research itsnotmydaddys, I think I am buying a flat of them and passing them out to all my friends and family for the X-Mas. HAHA

-Scott-

yo, a Bubb Rubb reference was already made( by KD00LS) but i guess there was no link... credit must be split between both!

Bubb Rubb is Most Excellent by the way.

oh and ken, when i move to tucson in 8 months ill make the 2 hour drive into phoenix to personally stomp your turbo tips off... and take pictures for the LVC!!!

Hey guys I hear that the new muffler bearing really creates a seemless exhaust flow!! I beleive the bearings are ABEC 5 " Killer Bees" or something like that! See Ya, Kevin

I'm a little late in this thread, but I'm gonna have to quote a very influential movie in our time.

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

You guys got this mod all wrong. It does make your car faster. It does not, however, increase HP. "What faster without increase in HP, how does that work???" Ill tell you how it works. This mod is actually similar to adding another engine, infact its similar to adding two engines because we have duel exhaust. Note the picture below, Its an airboat. The boat is powered by a motor. The turbo exhaust tips are identical except they are powered by exhaust rather then a motor. Everything should be clear now.

Yes, but the airboat's fan actually creates a draw of air through the fan blades to move the boat. That is not the same as exhaust gas blowing through fan blades to make them spin. But then, you're being sarcastic, right?

Guys, I know this thread is a joke and I know I get technical. But I feel if you have something to offer to a forum say it. If it's useless crap or more importantly if it misdirects others who are looking for serious information just keep your mouth shut (or should I say keep your fingers still). :D

Exactly! I'm glad someone here has some sense!

These turbo exhaust spinners do make a car go faster! Maybe a small amount, yes....but still faster.

Oh God.

Exactly! I'm glad someone here has some sense!

These turbo exhaust spinners do make a car go faster! Maybe a small amount, yes....but still faster.

Off with his head!

Off with his head!

:lol: ... said with a full Cockney accent whilest flailing a herring about, I presume? :lol:

Guys, I know this thread is a joke and I know I get technical. But I feel if you have something to offer to a forum say it. If it's useless crap or more importantly if it misdirects others who are looking for serious information just keep your mouth shut (or should I say keep your fingers still). :D



Good point... I sure hope someone who knows squat about engines doesnt wander in here and decides to buy this worthless crap because of what was said in here. Having our fun is one thing, misleading poor ignorant schmucks is another.

Ok....one final attempt to make my point!

The spinning turbo tips produce so much vacuum that as you step on the gas it pops them out and as they gain speed the vacuum they pull is so great that they suck back up flush with the exhaust tip (watch the video clip) and spin faster and faster. You can see this in the vid clip.

Pulling vacuum on a motor is NOT some weird science or non-sense. In fact, 100% of all Pro Stock motors (Warren Johnson, Kurt Johnson, Reher Morrison, etc) all run Moroso vacuum pumps on the motor! This is a FACT! Google it and read for yourself! On a 500 inch pro stock motor they can get another 50 hp out of it on the DYNO. This is a fact!

In a pro stock motor they pull a negative crank case vacuum and reduces windage of the moving parts, aeration of the oil, and less resistance, and they even run less piston ring tension to add another 10 hp because there is no pressure at the ring from the crankcase side of the motor! All of this is fact! Go to the moroso web site, or Jegs, or Summit and why do they sell a $369 vacuum pump and associated brackets?

The turbo exhaust tip is just a small air pump, and under pascals law it does what it would be expected to do. Its not unlike the effect of a jet engine. As compressed air enters and exits a venturi and into the fan stage it creates suction, the faster it spins the more suction. This is factually how it works. The higher the exhaust gas veloicty, and cfm, the faster it spins. The faster it spins the more suction.

These turbo tips are not some cheap Pep Boys item. They have high speed torrington roller bearings and annealed thrust washers. They are balanced and are produced of 304 stainless. They are very close tolerance units.

There is no claim that they alone make HP. They produce a vacuum in the exhaust system and the computer advances the ignition because the o2 sensor reading changes and this advanced timing gets you the HP gain.

Many early racers on a budget used smog pumps to pull this vacuum. Some still do, mostly those that can't afford the Moroso vacuum pumps....they just go to a junk yard and buy a $5 smog pump.

I hope this helps.

I'll be dynoing the grounding kit this saturday. I'm installing it now.

Ok, joke or not, this is getting annoying. What you say is tantamount to blowing in your own sail and having your sailboat move forward because of it. Sorry but the laws of physics crush the theory of this mod working.

Think of it this way. The exhaust is what powers the little spinner fan. The spinner fan thus can only go as fast as the exhaust pushes it. Just like a ball that you release at 10 feet in the air and thus will never bounce back high enough to meet or beat the 10 foot mark, so is this. The fans will never spin fast enough to draw any more air than what the exhaust already pushes out. Going off of that, you will have at least the same airflow and probably less (due to less restrictivness in the exhaust). Not that it would gain any speed or power whatsoever, but in a purely physical standpoint you would be better off with no fans and just the exhaust blowing to the rear in some sort of roadrunner rocket propulsion maneuver. I don't suggest such a mod as even that is about the dumbest hunk of crap idea for making a car faster too, but it does prove a point.

This is about the dumbest mod a person could EVER do to their vehicle. Unless a person is going for a super-tacky blingety bling bling look for their car, this mod is otherwise totally useless.

The only way it could make your car faster is by making your wallet lighter.

I still figure this to be a joke but it has gotten a little rediculous. Like an April fools joke that just keeps going and going waaaaaay past the point of it being funny. Ken for your sake I really hope you were joking, but the joke got old.

LOL! It keeps getting funnier ...

Ok....one final attempt to make my point!
Thank God.

The spinning turbo tips produce so much vacuum that as you step on the gas it pops them out and as they gain speed the vacuum they pull is so great that they suck back up flush with the exhaust tip (watch the video clip) and spin faster and faster. You can see this in the vid clip.
Did it ever occur to you that the video is a GIF file in rotation?

Pulling vacuum on a motor is NOT some weird science or non-sense. In fact, 100% of all Pro Stock motors (Warren Johnson, Kurt Johnson, Reher Morrison, etc) all run Moroso vacuum pumps on the motor! This is a FACT! Google it and read for yourself! On a 500 inch pro stock motor they can get another 50 hp out of it on the DYNO. This is a fact!
Absolutely NOT the same product, purpose or effect as what we are speaking of here. Which leads me back to my original, still unanswered, request of where you think "ricers" got an additional 50 HP with this mod.

In a pro stock motor they pull a negative crank case vacuum and reduces windage of the moving parts, aeration of the oil, and less resistance, and they even run less piston ring tension to add another 10 hp because there is no pressure at the ring from the crankcase side of the motor! All of this is fact! Go to the moroso web site, or Jegs, or Summit and why do they sell a $369 vacuum pump and associated brackets?
I don't have to go to any site ... I've used them; they work and work well ... that is why they sell them for a price that justifies it's results. Again, not the same product. Extra vacuum increases power by improving ring seal and preventing blow-by, intake-charge contamination and detonation; and by allowing the use of low-tension piston rings for less friction. How exactly will a pinwheel design exhaust tip do this?

The turbo exhaust tip is just a small air pump, and under pascals law it does what it would be expected to do. Its not unlike the effect of a jet engine. As compressed air enters and exits a venturi and into the fan stage it creates suction, the faster it spins the more suction. This is factually how it works. The higher the exhaust gas veloicty, and cfm, the faster it spins. The faster it spins the more suction.
It is in no way a "pump". Jeez ... a jet engine produces thrust to effectively push the airplane. Factually, exhaust spinners create no thrust; which leads me back to the pinwheel comment from earlier.

These turbo tips are not some cheap Pep Boys item. They have high speed torrington roller bearings and annealed thrust washers. They are balanced and are produced of 304 stainless. They are very close tolerance units.
Your point is? Just because they may be made from quality material does not justify their ability to hold up to claims of assisting power gains. But to pay any amount of money for this product just to have somebody kick them off your pipes ... that in itself would be a shame.

[QUOTE=Ken Motz]There is no claim that they alone make HP. They produce a vacuum in the exhaust system and the computer advances the ignition because the o2 sensor reading changes and this advanced timing gets you the HP gain.
Show me factual data that supports any type of vacuum being drawn from the exhaust pipe via these spinners. Again, a pinwheel will not suck air from your mouth as you blow into it.

Many early racers on a budget used smog pumps to pull this vacuum. Some still do, mostly those that can't afford the Moroso vacuum pumps....they just go to a junk yard and buy a $5 smog pump.
They would use OEM air pumps, until they found that they weren't really designed for use in oily conditions. They would not last long, thus it pays to save for the right design and purpose built product.

I hope this helps.
No, it does not. Actually, I've yet to see anyone agree with you ... who is it you are trying to help?

I'll be dynoing the grounding kit this saturday. I'm installing it now.
Good luck with that ... it is a useful mod on high horsepower cars anyway. Ken, you're pretty good at evading some of my questions ... you aren't a politician are you? :rolleyes:

I have not avoided questions. The dyno results are what they are.

Just remember, if your ever in Southern Arizona and you see an LS with spinning turbo exhaust tips and your in another LS that you will lose in any speed contest against such a car. I would imagine only Lou (Quick LS) would be in a position to beat the 2005 LS with the turbo tips.

Most BMW 5 series won't even mess with it when they hear the whine from the turbo tips. They kinda sound like a gear drive. All they see is those tips and they back off!

Hot!

Most BMW 5 series won't even mess with it when they hear the whine from the turbo tips. They kinda sound like a gear drive. All they see is those tips and they back off!
Now I haven't posted anything on this thread but that's the funniest sh!t I have ever heard!

This is a joke right? Using exhaust gasses to spin a fan would only be a blockage in the exhaust system. If the fan could be spun faster then what the speed of the exhaust is then it could suck exhaust out. However the fan is only spinning at the speed of the exhaust gasses, so how is pulling them out? I don't claim to be a know it all, I have just been told less obstructions in the exhaust are better. Maybe it gives a few more hp due to compinsating a lack of backpressure on some cars that it makes up for? I don't know. This reminds me alot of the "tornado" wich was a crock. I am not trying to be a jerk, but if I was driving my other car and I saw a car with exhaust fans on the mufflers I would try to race immediatly, same kind effect I get from chrome dual windshield washer blades. I know your ls is faster then mine I just don't quite understand this mod.
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Just remember, if your ever in Southern Arizona and you see an LS with spinning turbo exhaust tips and your in another LS that you will lose in any speed contest against such a car. I would imagine only Lou (Quick LS) would be in a position to beat the 2005 LS with the turbo tips.

Most BMW 5 series won't even mess with it when they hear the whine from the turbo tips. They kinda sound like a gear drive. All they see is those tips and they back off!

didnt you hear me earlier when i said i am gonna crush them, and give you a proper spanking? and anyway you better have more than just those rediculous things on an 05 to contest any ls with intake and exaust (mods with purpose).

Now, if you installed THIS (http://www.soundturbocharged.com/) in front of the spinning, copter thingees, you would really have something. Kind of like driving a turbocharged helicopter. Way, way, way cool.

That has to be the best thread that I have ever read! Not only is it stupid, it's very entertaining. HAHA:invasion:

Jeez Mr. Motz, you just keep shooting yourself in the foot. Considering Mr. Garrison's getting involved here, I think you should rethink your strategy ... and I quote: I'm going to ask Ken Garrison to start stocking these turbo tips and grounding kits as a package. Then you guys can try it for yourself. Send me a set spinners! I've no problem with you wasting your money on me. Besides, my son could use some helicopter blades for his Lego set.

I have not avoided questions.
Yes you have. (see next paragraph)

The dyno results are what they are.
So, what are they?? I have asked you repeatedly if the dyno chart you've shown here is of your LS or of any LS for that matter. I also have yet to have an answer on the "ricers" and 50 HP gain matter. I know there was more, but I'm getting so lost in the pile of doo-doo you've posted that I can't remember due to the enormous stench.

Just remember, if your ever in Southern Arizona and you see an LS with spinning turbo exhaust tips and your in another LS that you will lose in any speed contest against such a car. I would imagine only Lou (Quick LS) would be in a position to beat the 2005 LS with the turbo tips.
Well, hopefully you're not condoning illegal activity. But you're right ... I'd lose ... due to inability to control my car during a spastic laughing seizure.

Most BMW 5 series won't even mess with it when they hear the whine from the turbo tips. They kinda sound like a gear drive. All they see is those tips and they back off!
You mean the whine from your own mouth when you realize it was an M5 and you seriously wasted your money? Trust me, they'll back off alright ... stupidity can run rampant and I'm sure they know it's catching.

Jeez Mr. Motz, you just keep shooting yourself in the foot. Considering Mr. Garrison's getting involved here, I think you should rethink your strategy ... and I quote: Send me a set spinners! I've no problem with you wasting your money on me. Besides, my son could use some helicopter blades for his Lego set.


Yes you have. (see next paragraph)


So, what are they?? I have asked you repeatedly if the dyno chart you've shown here is of your LS or of any LS for that matter. I also have yet to have an answer on the "ricers" and 50 HP gain matter. I know there was more, but I'm getting so lost in the pile of doo-doo you've posted that I can't remember due to the enormous stench.


Well, hopefully you're not condoning illegal activity. But you're right ... I'd lose ... due to inability to control my car during a spastic laughing seizure.


You mean the whine from your own mouth when you realize it was an M5 and you seriously wasted your money? Trust me, they'll back off alright ... stupidity can run rampant and I'm sure they know it's catching.


Man I'm REALLY starting to worry about you lead_foot. this guy's OBVIOUSLY having some fun here and you keep doing these lengthy rebuttal psts. I'm starting to hope YOU'RE joking:) And if you are you guys should both be politicians...or on BOD for public companies.

Man I'm REALLY starting to worry about you lead_foot. this guy's OBVIOUSLY having some fun here and you keep doing these lengthy rebuttal psts. I'm starting to hope YOU'RE joking:) And if you are you guys should both be politicians...or on BOD for public companies.

:lol: Nah, don't worry about me. I'm just trying to offer some assistance and support for the sane. ;) When I start typing in all caps, then send the men in the white jackets over!

I can't stop laughing.. It gets better and better each time i review it. WOW..... please end this madness!!! :runaway:

Now, if you installed THIS (http://www.soundturbocharged.com/) in front of the spinning, copter thingees, you would really have something. Kind of like driving a turbocharged helicopter. Way, way, way cool.
LMFAO dont forget the black box with horn under the hood to make it sound like a blow off valve too......COULDNT find any pictures.....these things cant make a vacum in the pipe because one it doesnt seal against the pipe....its like a pin-wheel there is no air being sucked from behind you pushing your bike when you hold them out when riding.......It just spins because of the air moving it.....Why didnt you just buy the electric turbo for under the hood also .......

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You guys just don'd get it? The turbo exhaust tip is REAL. And its legitimate. Here is a picture of a 800/hp 911 with twin spinning exhaust turbo tips and since it has no catalytic converters the spinning exhaust tip/fans are pulling raw fuel out of the motor (so much vacuum) that flames shoot out! The article on this Porche 911 in last months Road and Track (you can read the article online) state that the turbo exhaust tips pulled SO MUCH VACUUM that they burnt the paint off the back bumper because raw fuel was being pulled out of the combustion chambers!! How can you guys argue with an article in Road and Track!http://www.flamethrowers.com.au/images/porsh%20flaming.jpg

OMG...this is too much! I'm buying a set today!

You guys just don'd get it? The turbo exhaust tip is REAL. And its legitimate. Here is a picture of a 800/hp 911 with twin spinning exhaust turbo tips and since it has no catalytic converters the spinning exhaust tip/fans are pulling raw fuel out of the motor (so much vacuum) that flames shoot out! The article on this Porche 911 in last months Road and Track (you can read the article online) state that the turbo exhaust tips pulled SO MUCH VACUUM that they burnt the paint off the back bumper because raw fuel was being pulled out of the combustion chambers!! How can you guys argue with an article in Road and Track!http://www.flamethrowers.com.au/images/porsh%20flaming.jpg

:lol: Now you're just a freakin' idiot! :lol: That image was taken from www.flamethrowers.com.au ... not R&T. The Porsche is set up with a flamethrower kit ... DUH!!! You're not fooling anyone; Ken (Motz), are you an 8 year old with nothing better to do? Why not post the link to the article as you state "on-line". ... or maybe just evade these questions too, eh?

You guys just don'd get it? The turbo exhaust tip is REAL. And its legitimate. Here is a picture of a 800/hp 911 with twin spinning exhaust turbo tips and since it has no catalytic converters the spinning exhaust tip/fans are pulling raw fuel out of the motor (so much vacuum) that flames shoot out! The article on this Porche 911 in last months Road and Track (you can read the article online) state that the turbo exhaust tips pulled SO MUCH VACUUM that they burnt the paint off the back bumper because raw fuel was being pulled out of the combustion chambers!! How can you guys argue with an article in Road and Track!http://www.flamethrowers.com.au/images/porsh%20flaming.jpg
Ken, I think you have had your fun.

If any of you guys want to buy them, here is a source....
http://www.spiralmax.com/tet.htm
http://www.shoplaser.com/
And here is an article on 'em.
http://gadgets.autoblog.com/entry/1234000520062511/

SO NOBODY IS CONFUSED...THIS THREAD IS A JOKE. BLING, BLING FOR THE RICER CROWD.

Quoting Chris Rock..."They spinnin' nigga! They spinnin'!!!"

And Bubb Rubb likes 'em too!

Whats funny is that all had to be said haha

**head bangs for ken motz!:headbang:

Besides... shouldn't this have been moderated into the Anything Goes by now? haha

Thats it! I'm convinced with the Porsche pics! ***gets out the used pop cans, pie tins, scissors, duct tape and bandaids.***

I'll let everyone know how my 500 rwhp TurboPinwheel LS goes! Im gonna make mine 10" around (pie tins) instead of just 2" or 3" around!

I should be able to beat a Lamborghini then, right!? :shifty: ;) :D

After comming into this thread late.... and knowing a little bit about how an internal combustion engine works.... HAHAHHAHAHHA

ok.. the main claim is it 'sucks' the exhaust from the cylinders.... ok.. put a vacuum/pressure gauge into the exhaust system, probably infront of the 1st cats... and see if it does ANYTHING to the pressure in the exhaust system..

Ok, this may have already been said, but I did skip page 2 of the thread!

test with and without the helicopter dealies....

post the results...
it oughtta be a jolly good laugh

jolly good laugh



British??? Just curious. :D


Cheerio good chap! hehe. ;)

It was funny that the THREAD got over 1000 views and was the most popular thread on the site for two days! Also, some cool debate over physics and quantum mechanics by many site regulars......all over a pin wheel!

All in good fun! Thanks guys!

British??? Just curious. :D


Cheerio good chap! hehe. ;)


Not at all... but it is the 'jolly' season.. LOL

All in good fun! Thanks guys!FWIW, I did like the dyno graph.:p

My goal was to get more replies/views than Lou's (Quick LS) supercharger progress thread......I came pretty close!

I was actually beleiving they (the pinwheel tips) made power MYSELF for a while!

now, them there whistler tips that BubbRubb installs.. them do something for ya... well, at least they make noise!

SO NOBODY IS CONFUSED...THIS THREAD IS A JOKE. BLING, BLING FOR THE RICER CROWD.

It was funny that the THREAD got over 1000 views and was the most popular thread on the site for two days! Also, some cool debate over physics and quantum mechanics by many site regulars......all over a pin wheel!

All in good fun! Thanks guys!
Thank God ... I kept telling myself, "NO ONE can be this stupid!" I kinda figured it to be a joke after the 50hp ricer statement. The Porsche picture was the icing on the cake! No offense Ken, but you're a terrible liar!! :lol: ;) Hey, it built up MY post level anyway! ;)

All this posting and Pepperman never popped in.... LOL

This was funny. I am sure hoping that the debate was as much a joke and fun for all as reading this thing. Because I would sure hate to think anyone believed the BS... It was fun Reading....

Hats off to Ken for a great thread...

All this posting and Pepperman never popped in.... LOL

This was funny. I am sure hoping that the debate was as much a joke and fun for all as reading this thing. Because I would sure hate to think anyone believed the BS... It was fun Reading....

Hats off to Ken for a great thread...

It is a good thread, Rich i have read the thread and i am here now :N

It is a good thread, Rich i have read the thread and i am here now :N
Day late and a dollar short! LOL!

Day late and a dollar short! LOL!

I sure hope though that nobody was taking this thing serious. I am hoping that everyone playing in this thread was having a good time. Because it was just too funny to read..

I loved it!

Hey do they make those in an Oval Style LOL.... or better yet... I want one of those Whistler installed, with the little gadget that make your car sound like it has a turbo, and then I might as well go with the flames.

so i guess I will be returning the pair I bought

I got very curious on this issue so I thought that I would do a little research and see what the world of physics would say about a vortex causing an increase of horsepower.

Kinematics of a very thin vortex tube in three-dimensional fluid may be described by the filament equation in the local induction approximation [1, 2]. It is formulated as ∂γ ∂t = ∂γ ∂s × ∂2γ ∂s2 , (1)
where γ = γ (t, s) denotes the position of the vortex filament in R3 with t and s being the time and the arc-length parameter respectively.

Hasimoto introduced that horsepower hp : γ 7→ ψ = κ exp[i Rs τ (u)du], in order to transform the filament equation into the nonlinear Schrodinger (NLS) equation for ψ. Here κ and τ respectively denote the curvature and the torsion along γ. Since the integrability of the NLS equation
was well known, the filament equation was naturally expected to be integrable. Mardson and Weinstein first described the filament equation as a Hamiltonian horsepower vortex equation with the Hamiltonian simply being the length ℓ [γ] of the vortex. Later Langer and Perline used
this Hamiltonian structure to prove the existence of an addition of horspower caused by an infinite sequence of constants of motion in involution, and studied the evolution of the vortex in connection with the solitons
in the NLS equation. With this concern in mind, we have investigated the filament equation in a curved threemanifold. Although Langer and Perline have limited horspower to R3, we find an analogous integrable
hierarchy in the case of constant curvature. We further study the classical partition function for the vortex Z(β) = Z

Here it is in a simple formula that you can use to see what kind of increase you will get. Typiclly your gain will be from 3 to 8 horsepower per exhaust. So if you have duals you will get to multiply your gains by 2
X = f T + g N + h B,

∇sT = κN, ∇sN = −κ T + τ B, ∇sB = −τ N,

This all simply explains how you gain horsepower by creating a exit vortex at the rear of your exhaust.

I wish I could add these to my Mark VIII but I can't as I have oval tips and because of the oval shape exhaust would escape at the sides of the spinners causing a 0 gain in horspower. Damn! I was hoping to get a set after reading this.

More information that I found.

It has long been known that a horsepower can be quantized by vortices. Most recent research in this area has, however, focused on the collective properties of interacting vortices and it’s effect on horsepower,: the study of vortex physics on the macroscopic scale (a regime in which a small number of vortices are confined in a small volume) has in general been hampered by the other external variables that may effect the vortices. In this we use a silicon micro machined mechanical resonator to resolve the dynamics of single vortices in micromere-sized samples of the exhaust chamber 2H-NbSe2. Measurements at and slightly above the lower critical field, H c1 (the field at which magnetic flux first penetrates the exhaust), where only a few vortices are present, reveal a rich spectrum of sharp, irreversible vortex rearrangements. At higher fields, where more of vortices are present, the sharp features become reversible, suggesting that we are resolving a new regime of vortex dynamics in which the detailed configuration of spinning sites, sample geometry and vortex interactions produce significant changes in the measurable horsepower response. This behavior can be described within the framework of interacting vortex lines in a '1 + 1'-dimensional random potential—an important theoretical model for disorder-dominated exhaust systems,.

Don't forget to install roller muffler bearings as well, good for 10-15 HP.

Debi found a great Ricer secret at Advanced Auto.... We figured that with what she found and if we put it on the front of the car it would exponentially effect the results of the spinners giving at least 2 to 3 more horsepower gain and adding the LvC stickers to both sides of your car even more gains. I tried explaining that at the Lombard Cruise Meet to many members. They understood the LvC part as I showed them with a few runs that I made.

It was very impressive. I only wish that i had the spinnes on but because of the oval tips I couldn't do it.

Hmmm... Why is this a STICKY!!! Let it DIE!!!!

Remember guys, all the late model LS cars have VVT timing and a higher HP motor from the start!



AHHA! this joker thinks the LS has a VTEC!

and i love that he keeps insisting that the "new ls" has "280" hp to the wheels

XS Engineering sells the "grounding kit" the voltage amplifier for the coils AND the turbo exhaust tips! Why would they sell and install all this stuff if it had no effect!

Because in this country, if you can find some schmucks to bs, you can sell anything. Sorry to tell you you wont find such schmucks on this site.

I'm a little late in this thread, but I'm gonna have to quote a very influential movie in our time.

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

gotta love billy madison!

hilarious, you had me goin.

AHHA! this joker thinks the LS has a VTEC!

and i love that he keeps insisting that the "new ls" has "280" hp to the wheels




Maybe I am being Captain obvious here but the 03+ LS's DO have VVT which is what VTEC is for Honda's. While the 03+ LS8's don't have 280 hp to the wheels, they do have that much hp at the flywheel. You were probably being sarcastic but it didn't look like it. Eh, who knows...:D

ohhh and let me guess.....you took out the spare tire and you got a 25 hp more

lmao special i tell ya just special lol....

I posted those ricer turbines back before the site hacked

I must admit, I really don't add much to conversations in forums, but this one, I just had to comment that I have not laughed so hard in a while. My wife was like, "Are you watching "The Ringer" again? You guys have blasted this guy a new azz about 12 times over and to my amazement, he just keeps on coming back at cha like a bad case of herpes. but to you Ken my man, I have to give you an A, a big azz "A" for effort, bro. I give you what my commanders give when I've done a job well done, Bravo Zulu, brother, Bravo Zulu. now, someone link me to some good sites so I cna start buildin up my 2002 LSE.

Thanks

This thread is as bad as that Yellow Mark VIII that keeps coming back for more!!! LOL...

You need to add sticker to get the maxium HP from those tips...

The value of these spinners and the "science" they are supposed to support, is much like the "increased HP" you would get pressing the windshield from the inside as you are driving! Or, when sailing in a boat, and adding a fan to "add" to the wind pressure on the sail to increase speed!

The spinners will not increase vacuum considering the total volume of the exhaust system, and the pressure pulses that are formed in the whole "tube length" of the system.

Pretty though, but sorta gay...

tard

Alright....:leghumper who brought this thread back to life. LOL...:slam

Hey Dave.... Do I need to explain the theory of the LvC stickers again...:waving:

:thread: or blows. you be the judge... :D