Yep, thats right. It is a Kenne Bell 2.2L for the 4.6 SOHC GT. This will NOT be going on the LS. It will be going onto my 2003 4.6 SOHC Explorer. The bottom end of the engine will be built with billet parts through VT engines and the 5R55W tranny will be built by Level 10. There are many other specifics to mention (Xcal2, BA2800 MAS, etc.), but I dont want to bore anyone. This is a fully custom installation so it wont be an overnight type of deal, but it should prove to be a fun one!

On a side note that is another supercharger you see there. It is a Powerdyne XB-1A (gear-driven) head unit with some other goodies that should be finding its way under the hood of the LS before this time next year. It is rated up to 18 lbs boost, but I will only be running it at 6 lbs due to the weak bottom end/high comp ratio of the DOHC 3.9's.

Once everything is said and done the Kenne Bell should be making right around 600rwhp on the Explorer (sleeper) and I will be happy with about 350rwhp on the LS with the XB-1A.

Enjoy!!!

Looking good. I used to own a mustang so I'm on those boards a lot. I know MPH(modular powerhouse) is turning out some sick mustangs. There's actually a guy out of Houston who had his 2V there recently. Puts down 700+ rwhp on a race tune. i believe thats using a paxton, tho.

here's a shot of a different 2V 700+rwhp using KB

There's actually a guy out of Houston who had his 2V there recently. Puts down 700+ rwhp on a race tune. i believe thats using a paxton, tho.


Yeah I think I know who that is. Thats the fella from Steen Racing if I am not mistaken, right? Badass centri setup to be making 700+ rwhp!!!

that is sweet dude. congrats and good luck with it!!!

Yep, thats right. It is a Kenne Bell 2.2L for the 4.6 SOHC GT. This will NOT be going on the LS. It will be going onto my 2003 4.6 SOHC Explorer. The bottom end of the engine will be built with billet parts through VT engines and the 5R55W tranny will be built by Level 10. There are many other specifics to mention (Xcal2, BA2800 MAS, etc.), but I dont want to bore anyone. This is a fully custom installation so it wont be an overnight type of deal, but it should prove to be a fun one!

On a side note that is another supercharger you see there. It is a Powerdyne XB-1A (gear-driven) head unit with some other goodies that should be finding its way under the hood of the LS before this time next year. It is rated up to 18 lbs boost, but I will only be running it at 6 lbs due to the weak bottom end/high comp ratio of the DOHC 3.9's.

Once everything is said and done the Kenne Bell should be making right around 600rwhp on the Explorer (sleeper) and I will be happy with about 350rwhp on the LS with the XB-1A.

Enjoy!!!


sweet, but dammit, you got my hopes up for a kenne bell for the ls

On a side note that is another supercharger you see there. It is a Powerdyne XB-1A (gear-driven) head unit with some other goodies that should be finding its way under the hood of the LS before this time next year. It is rated up to 18 lbs boost, but I will only be running it at 6 lbs due to the weak bottom end/high comp ratio of the DOHC 3.9's.
...and I will be happy with about 350rwhp on the LS with the XB-1A.

rough idea on the pricing for the ls job?

The bottom end of the LS really isn't weak. It is actually quite stout for 3.9L. The big problem is the transmission. IIRC, it's rated for ~350hp at the crank. Then there is the high compression......

It seems like a unit like this would be a very simple installation?
http://www.proficientperformance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=powerdyne&Product_Code=A10142-211

Baiscally routing belts and intake. The rest would be tuning?

rough idea on the pricing for the ls job?


I have the head unit from a previous project vehicle. The bracketry will all be custom fabbed by me and then I will send it off to be powdercoated.

Head unit $1800 (nowadays, not when I bought it)
Xcal2 $300 (depends on what GB's you may get in on)
Pro-M 80 mm MAF $300 (got it a while ago but I think it cost me that much)
32 lb injectors $250 (try to get used older Cobra injectors for cheaper)
KB Bap $??? (Only if it ends up being needed)
and possibly other stuff I am probably forgetting

The bottom end of the LS really isn't weak. It is actually quite stout for 3.9L. The big problem is the transmission. IIRC, it's rated for ~350hp at the crank. Then there is the high compression......


Yes it is. Any stock non-forged bottom end, especially with hypereutectic pistons will not be strong. They dont need to be, they only need to take a 280 horsepower beating, not much more. Throw boost into the picture with the occasional bad gas and you got a timebomb. That is why a person really has to look at an LS engine, or any other like it, as having a weak bottom end; because it is for the aftermarket modification world. Factor in the high compression which lends well to nitrous but not well to boost and you got an overall very sensitive application. It will need to be approached correctly the first time so as to prevent catastrophic failure. The transmission will take more than 350 hp, especially the TBW vehicles as the tune can take quite a bit of torque out of the mix when shifting the tranny. JDM is doing this very same thing with the 2005 Mustang (P-tec computer and 5R55 tranny too). The trannies are weak, but there are ways to tune around it (band-aid). Another good thing will be the it is a centrifugal setup, and not a PD (roots/twin screw) supercharger that makes lots of power down low where damage will be more likely to occur to the drivetrain.

Well, we have 10.75:1 or so (or is it 10.55?) on the LS's engine...From what I remember, the CR is around 9.1:1 or so...So while we're at a disadvantage...they pump 13 PSI @ 9.1 to 1...so I dont see a problem with 8 PSI or so at 10.5...I think we'll see Quik's doing around 390 - 400 crank hp (312 - 320 ish at the wheels)...Hopefully more, but even still thats 80-100+ hp more then what we start with....

-Matt

Hey rocket,

I don't know a 600hp Explorer goes against the character of the vehicle. This vehicle is for carrying families and groceries. j/k
It seems like an awesome project, I used to have an explorer so this would be a nice build to see.

Midas78

Hey rocket,

I don't know a 600hp Explorer goes against the character of the vehicle. This vehicle is for carrying families and groceries. j/k
It seems like an awesome project, I used to have an explorer so this would be a nice build to see.

Midas78


Your right to a degree. It does go against its normal character, but not against its class. After all, Explorers dont have much class; unlike Lincolns! Heck, most people call them exploders (bastards! hehehehe j/k). Now if I were to put a 4 foot wing on the back of it then whatever class the Explorer had, would be ruined (I think that goes for any car). ;) lol. Thanks for the nice words. We will see how everything turns out.

Well, we have 10.75:1 or so (or is it 10.55?) on the LS's engine...From what I remember, the CR is around 9.1:1 or so...So while we're at a disadvantage...they pump 13 PSI @ 9.1 to 1...so I dont see a problem with 8 PSI or so at 10.5...I think we'll see Quik's doing around 390 - 400 crank hp (312 - 320 ish at the wheels)...Hopefully more, but even still thats 80-100+ hp more then what we start with....

-Matt


The 00-02 LS's had 10.55:1 comp and the 03+ have 10.75:1 comp. Which vehicle are you referring to for the 9.1:1 compression? I believe that Quik's project will go smoothly for a few reasons. The first being is that he seems to know what he's doing, and he also has planned accordingly. He isnt shooting for the stars in terms of boost/power which will allow the stock rotating assembly to hold up to normal conditions. I am sure he will have it dynotuned in detail to as to prevent any lean conditions or spark timing problems. Some others may not be as careful as Quik is being. That is the X factor in it all that will directly dictate total success or a blown engine in this type of sensitive application. A low boost application on these vehicle is just what the doctor called for. I just happened to have an extra centrifugal head unit laying around from a previous project, so I will use that. I also like the quietness of the centri versus the roots. The powerband is also more gentle which I like for a daily driver. All of those are merely personal preference of course. Different ways to skin a cat. ;) All projects will have their advantages and their drawbacks. It depends on what the person wants out of it.

I own an 03 cobra, so I like the torque ;-)

I was referring to the Jaguar S-Type R...Dunno how I missed that. I thought I had typed it, apparently not.

-Matt

Update...



I was finally able to find the time to start the Kenne Bell project today. So far I put a decent dent into the project. I forgot my digital camera at my fiancee's place so I don't have pictures which kind of sucks.

I have everything off the top of the engine and am prepping the head unit to go onto the heads soon. So far everything looks like it will fit but time will tell. The engine really looks deep when the intake is off and your staring at just the heads.

A few things I can mention that I encountered so far were the tons and tons of different vacuum lines and tubing running into and out of the upper intake plenum. Allot more than a regular Mustang GT! ECT(engine coolant temp) sensor is in a totally different location than on the GT. That will require me to pull the one out of its stock location and plug the engine block. The stock fuel rails should work fine but I will have to install a 90 degree fitting where the Schrader valve goes so it will not hit the boost bypass unit that will be directly above it. Thats all I can think of for now.

Tomorrow should find me attempting to break my back while hoisting that heavy monster onto my heads while not straining anything on me or crushing anything on the X.

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Sorry fella's I have been slacking on the updating of this thread...


Update Day 2:

Well day 2 was fun, I wasn't able to find the time to work on it till after my bro came in town.

I finished prepping the Kenne Bell head unit and also deleted a few things.

First thing I deleted was the EGR system which includes the EGR tube coming from the passenger-side exhaust mainfold, EGR solenoid front mounted on passenger-side head, the DPFE sensor which was mounted on the back driver-side of the original intake and the EGR sensor itself which I made a plate to block off which went onto the back of the upper plenum of the supercharger.

I also deleted the dual knock sensors that our Explorers have. You can see them in my pictures with the intake off, they are the two black things in the piston valley there. After those and the DPFE and EGR were off; I electrical taped over the ends of the connectors real good for a weatherproof seal.

The bosses that the knock sensors were mounted in will stick way too far into the area where the intercooler will sit. They will need to be ground flush to the flutes in the block. The new coolant tube that goes from the water pump, underneath the intercooler and out the back of the piston valley area will be a PITA and I reccomend that you ensure that it is touching the bottom of the valley for its entire length and centered except the back part which curves up. Special bending and fitting will be required.

My brother helped for a little while but then was too tired to help. I had to heft the heavy thing into and out of the engine bay more than 5 times all by myself. I am getting pretty good at it and it sure makes things easier when I am sitting inside the engine bay! hehe. I do warn people that if they try this that they be careful as it is a very heavy and awkward object to be lifting around.

Another relevant piece of this project is all the vacuum lines that you will see as compared to the normal Mustang GT's. My advice there is to really take a look at where things go and where they come from and soak in where things are located and then tackle it all from there. I also believe it to be pretty much mandatory that when disconnecting all lines that you label them in as much detail as possible as to what sensor they came off of.

Well enough of my blabbing. Here are the pictures and video from day 2. Enjoy...

Kenne Bell Project Day 2 Video (http://media.putfile.com/Kenne-Bell-Project-Day-2)



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Update Days 3-4:

I started tackling the COP's, vac lines, and heater lines the last few days along with some of the idler pulley, clutch fan delete, and alternator relocation stuff.

There are a few things worth mentioning that were noticeably different from the Mustang kit installation yet again. First and foremost is that our alternator will not work with the clutch fan with the way it all has to mount(not enough room). No problem, I was planning on going to a dual electric fan assembly anyways. So I ordered some Flex-a-lite 210B's to keep this thing cool.

Now that cooling and spacing was out of the way I decided to mock mount the alternator anyways to get a feel for how much space I would have. Turns out that our alternators are cocked the wrong way to work with the relocation bracketry. It would be a fairly easy fix to fab some bracket extenders but since the auxiliary electronics like the engine fans, possible pusher fan(if overheating occurs later on), and IC fans need more amperage than I believe our stock 130 amp alt can put out I opted for a custom built 170 amp alternator from PA-Performance with the wire upgrade kit as a bonus.

Now I get to what has so far been the biggest PITA of the project thus far. The vacuum assembly. As far as I know there aren't any detailed blow-aparts of the engines or engine bays of our Explorers so things went meticulous and slow. I will keep it short by saying that ALLOT of vac lines got deleted with the EGR/DPFE deletes and some were added and Tee'd with the boost bypass/FRPT/PCV and so on so forth. If I do ever decide to start offering these in an Explorer kit form I will definately reconfigure the vac, boost, heater, and IC stuff to make it easier on us! Whew!

On a few more positive notes. It looks like the front drive accessories will line up perfectly. No nosedrive modification needed at all going by the test fit and eyeballing. Another great thing is that the Kenne Bell will easily fit under our stock hoods with tons of clearance left over.

TB and IAC went on in a few minutes. Too bad the TPS and IAC harness connections will have to be lengthened. I hate electrical work! Another thing I noticed is that our TPS reads .75 ohm's when closed instead of the 1.06 that it is supposed to read according to KB. Being that I know the truck is programmed to run off of the setting from the stock TB I transferred the TPS over to the new TB and set it back to .75 ohm's. All stock throttle and cruise control cables went on without modification or problem.

The following pictures have allot of hoses routed everywhere but once I get things worked out and everything is perfect I will be ordering all blue hosing and prettying things up under the hood. I would still really like to be able to fit the stock engine cover on top of the KB to keep its sleeper look. With all the clearance i don't foresee that to be a problem.

Still waiting for JLT CAI, PA-Performance Alt, and the Flex-a-Lite Fans...

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Well that is the latest update so far. My paid leave from work ended today so I will not be able to put allot of work into it for a while now. Hopefully I will still be able to finish it by the end of the month by just tinkering here and there.

nice, keep us updated!

That's some nice work. Two comments though. One, with the elimination of the EGR, you run a higher risk of detonation. I would reconsider that if possible. Second, contact Jim Belle about the knock sensors. The 01 Cobras have the same problem with the block mounts for the sensors...they have to be cut off. However, on their Cobra kit, they relocate them to the cylinder head. You might want to investigate that. But since the 03/04 Cobras come supercharged from the factory WITHOUT any knock sensors, you may be able to tune around that. Who's going to tune it for you? Don't rely on a canned tune....

Nice work, the install looks very clean..

That's some nice work. Two comments though. One, with the elimination of the EGR, you run a higher risk of detonation. I would reconsider that if possible. Second, contact Jim Belle about the knock sensors. The 01 Cobras have the same problem with the block mounts for the sensors...they have to be cut off. However, on their Cobra kit, they relocate them to the cylinder head. You might want to investigate that. But since the 03/04 Cobras come supercharged from the factory WITHOUT any knock sensors, you may be able to tune around that. Who's going to tune it for you? Don't rely on a canned tune....


I deleted the EGR because it was too much a PITA to work around. It also simplified the vac line routing process. I wont run a big chance of detonation being that I will be going to the dyno as soon as i finish the install. I totally deleted the knock sensors and will run without them. The supercharger noise will have a good chance of interfering with them anyways so it is best to tune around them and make sure I get good gas. Tuning around the EGR/DPFE delete and the knock sensors will be a piece of cake. James @ RWTD has already sent me some good tunes to get me to the dyno. Depending on when he comes back to my area I might wait till I can get some time with him to do my wideband dynotune also or just take it to Bob Kurgan @ Kurgan Motorsports.

or you could always make the trip to Tim at MPH!

or you could always make the trip to Tim at MPH!


Hehehe, why would I want to make a trip all the way from northern Illinois way down to MPH in Georgia?

Hehehe, why would I want to make a trip all the way from northern Illinois way down to MPH in Georgia?

it's all in the tune:) which he has a reputation for, just a recommendation

it's all in the tune:) which he has a reputation for, just a recommendation


MPH has a good rep, but I assure you there are others out there that have just as shiny of reps as they do and are much closer.

Update Days 5-6-7:

Well the Flex-a-lite fans, JLT CAI, and PA Performance 170 amp alternator came in a few days ago. I must admit I have been kind of lazy and dragging my feet on this project. hehe. Yesterday I didn't do much to the truck and finally today I got motivated in the later afternoon and really kicked ass till now. I got quite a bit of custom stuff done in such a short period of time.

The Fans are going in ok. I still want to fab a bracket to firmly mount them onto but they are placed and aren't going anywhere.

The alternator arrived. I was very happy till I seen that it has a totally different plug than our stock Explorer alternator regulator. One more thing to order and wait on.

I did try a few test fit serp belts to give me a better idea of what length I will need. So far it is looking like a 119" belt will do just about fine.

I dove into the electrical the other day. Things went really well, especially considering that I hate electrical work. I had to modify/lengthen the TPS, IAC, ECT and MAFS/IATS harnesses. The TPS & IAC harnesses I had to add about 6" to. I also had to add about 6" to the ECT harness to allow it to crossover to the passenger side. Being that the stock MAS system places the IATS in the MAS itself I had to relocate it after boost in the KB manifold. Simple procedure of cutting the two outside wires doing some fancy connector work along with some very sexxy soldering and it was done pretty quick and looks factory too, well maybe a little shinier.

Now onto the big stuff. I got about 90% done on the instercooler setup today. I am quite surprised I made it this far in such a short amount of time being that I took the front end off the truck to do it. All the IC overflow tank and pump are mounted in a totally different location and with different mounts. The IC radiator itself was a tight but pretty much perfect fit under the bumper. I had to "clearance" a few things, but once done it all fit really well. Part of the bumper mounting bracket had to be cut off to allow IC hose passage through the area. Overall it is getting to be a very very tight fit with everything in the engine bay now. The CAI is squeezed in there just barely. If it were literally 1/4" longer I would not have been able to use it. I thought about relocating the radiator overflow and cruise control module to the rear about 2-3" to give things more room but surprisingly it all fit in there ok. When I swap the built engine & tranny in there I will reconfigure stuff and fab my own heat shield box and pull air from the bumper and fenderwell. It will get some hot air into the intake as is, but it will be just fine for the power level I plan to be at.

Things left to do:

Alternator wiring
Fan wiring
IC pump wiring
KB BAP wiring
Fab fan brackets

Here are a few pictures...

that this is gonna be a SLEEPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......What will that stock engine hold on the exploders???

Heck, most people call them exploders (bastards! hehehehe j/k). OPPS!!!!:slam :slam :slam :N sorry should have read some more before opening my mouth

that this is gonna be a SLEEPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......What will that stock engine hold on the exploders???


The stock bottom end on these Explorers will hold about 450 rwhp before self destructing, same as the Mustang GT 4.6(same engine, just different block metallurgy). The rule of thumb I usually use is 450rwhp for the PD blower and 500rwhp for a centri on the stock new SOHC 4.6. Once this initial install is complete it will put down right at 400 rwhp. I will keep the tune conservative and make about 380rwhp until the built shortblock and tranny arrive, and then really crank the boost.

The stock bottom end on these Explorers will hold about 450 rwhp before self destructing, same as the Mustang GT 4.6(same engine, just different block metallurgy). The rule of thumb I usually use is 450rwhp for the PD blower and 500rwhp for a centri on the stock new SOHC 4.6. Once this initial install is complete it will put down right at 400 rwhp. I will keep the tune conservative and make about 380rwhp until the built shortblock and tranny arrive, and then really crank the boost.

KOOL I was wondering if you were gonna do anything with the internals.....I love the Explorers and I think it would be so cool to have one that blew away tons of other cars that though they were the SH!T lol good job and keep us up to date

A few more things done and buttoned up. It is looking pretty good but I am too lazy to take pictures or outline it all.

I dropped it off @ Sutton HP today and should have it finished and dynotuned by this Friday. I should also be receiving my Pro Racer Package upgrade here early next week so then I can tune this myself with a local dyno and my Innovate wideband a/f meter once I build stage 2 this spring.

A few more things done and buttoned up. It is looking pretty good but I am too lazy to take pictures or outline it all.

I dropped it off @ Sutton HP today and should have it finished and dynotuned by this Friday. I should also be receiving my Pro Racer Package upgrade here early next week so then I can tune this myself with a local dyno and my Innovate wideband a/f meter once I build stage 2 this spring.



Update:

I forgot to post the results. The Explorer made 400rwhp and 400rwtq with the KB 2.2.

Damn thats nuts for an Explorer. Are you bumping up the boost to make 600hp or what?

Damn thats nuts for an Explorer. Are you bumping up the boost to make 600hp or what?



Well, that and quite a few other things. I already ordered my VT built Shortblock that will be coming with Oliver Racing Billet connecting rods and Diamond pistons among other things. Once I get that, the new race tranny and custom 4 link solid rear I will turn the boost up to around 18-20 psi to make around 600rwhp.

which trans?

which trans?


I am in the process of mocking up a 4R70W swap right now. I am still leaning towards a built 4R70W ran by a TCI standalone trans controller.

My other option is to have the 5R55W tranny rebuilt by Lentech (not advertised) to handle 600/600 to the wheels. Either way they will both initially cost roughly the same, but I have more options after the fact if I broke a 4R versus a new gen 5R.

Here is the new motor just built. Will put out well over 700 horsepower. All in all there is well over $20,000 in performance into the X now. Enjoy...

rocket - why do you keep showing up for a single "here's what I've done" post and disappearing?

the motor looks awesome.

rocket - why do you keep showing up for a single "here's what I've done" post and disappearing?

the motor looks awesome.


Giving the updates to those on here that I actually feel like talking to occassionally. Other than those few people, my opinion of the vast majority of members who comprise the LS section of this board is very low. Too much misinformation and lack of knowledge. Then when someone who knows a thing or two does come out and say something you got 15 people who don't know a thing trying to refute what was said. I got better things to do with my time than mess with a bunch of crybabies. I stick to my Mustang sites and post an update in here once in a while and talk nitrous tech. Other than that I would rather not be a part of the rest of this site. Lou, you and I have had our squabbles, but it is not you I am referring to here; as you know what your talking about most of the time. It is the rest that run their mouths without any understanding of what they talk about. That is exactly why Bob Kurgan doesn't post much here either.

Here is the new motor just built. Will put out well over 700 horsepower. All in all there is well over $20,000 in performance into the X now. Enjoy...

SWEET!!! Hey Rocket, lets get some people together to hit the track this fall at Great Lakes when it gets cooler out. I want to see your LS tear some cars up with NOS!! oh, yeah, and the Explorer too ;)

Giving the updates to those on here that I actually feel like talking to occassionally. Other than those few people, my opinion of the vast majority of members who comprise the LS section of this board is very low. Too much misinformation and lack of knowledge. Then when someone who knows a thing or two does come out and say something you got 15 people who don't know a thing trying to refute what was said. I got better things to do with my time than mess with a bunch of crybabies. I stick to my Mustang sites and post an update in here once in a while and talk nitrous tech. Other than that I would rather not be a part of the rest of this site. Lou, you and I have had our squabbles, but it is not you I am referring to here; as you know what your talking about most of the time. It is the rest that run their mouths without any understanding of what they talk about. That is exactly why Bob Kurgan doesn't post much here either.

Half the time I find out I don't know what I am talking about because of members like you and Quick. I think that you should come back. We can all benefit from different points of veiw. Just ignore the comments that come from others if you can. I like the hot rod lincoln idea that you guys are living with nitrous and super chargers, but someone like me can't do it if members like you run off and leave us because of the "crybabies".

Giving the updates to those on here that I actually feel like talking to occassionally. Other than those few people, my opinion of the vast majority of members who comprise the LS section of this board is very low. Too much misinformation and lack of knowledge. Then when someone who knows a thing or two does come out and say something you got 15 people who don't know a thing trying to refute what was said. I got better things to do with my time than mess with a bunch of crybabies. I stick to my Mustang sites and post an update in here once in a while and talk nitrous tech. Other than that I would rather not be a part of the rest of this site. Lou, you and I have had our squabbles, but it is not you I am referring to here; as you know what your talking about most of the time. It is the rest that run their mouths without any understanding of what they talk about. That is exactly why Bob Kurgan doesn't post much here either.
I dont know but that sounds like being a crybaby to me. An internet forum is a place to post peoples experiences/thoughts/opinions. I guess maybe it takes a degree of maturity to just shrug it off if its not something you agree or like. Maybe you can create a new forum called "Guys who wanna rebuild motors and put them into all different types of cars" instead of just car enthusiast. Its a little long though. But you are right in the fact that there are alot of posers who own a LS that try to turn it into a hotrod for the wrong reasons and claim stupid sh!t. Out of however many members that are on here i'd say i look at about 4-5 people who actually know their sh!t. Others just opine. There are true gears heads who enjoy cars and then people who watch "Fast and Furious" type crap and get the idea that they wanna go racing. I am someone who loves cars, could probably name the make and model of any car going down the road. I owned two f-body's and that was my time to do some mods and create a monster of a car. Those times are over and i now have an awesome luxury car that also has good performance. But i dont expect nor care to create a "sleeper" or anything like that with my LS. I am 100% happy with the way it sits, but i still have that gearhead love for cars. Just to name two people who are now household names due to tv shows, Chip Foose and Boyd Coddington. They are two great examples of people who carry car enthusiasm well into an older age, but they do it with style and maturity. Alot of people on here are just kids with kid mentalities.

I dont know but that sounds like being a crybaby to me. An internet forum is a place to post peoples experiences/thoughts/opinions. I guess maybe it takes a degree of maturity to just shrug it off if its not something you agree or like. Maybe you can create a new forum called "Guys who wanna rebuild motors and put them into all different types of cars" instead of just car enthusiast. Its a little long though. But you are right in the fact that there are alot of posers who own a LS that try to turn it into a hotrod for the wrong reasons and claim stupid sh!t. Out of however many members that are on here i'd say i look at about 4-5 people who actually know their sh!t. Others just opine. There are true gears heads who enjoy cars and then people who watch "Fast and Furious" type crap and get the idea that they wanna go racing. I am someone who loves cars, could probably name the make and model of any car going down the road. I owned two f-body's and that was my time to do some mods and create a monster of a car. Those times are over and i now have an awesome luxury car that also has good performance. But i dont expect nor care to create a "sleeper" or anything like that with my LS. I am 100% happy with the way it sits, but i still have that gearhead love for cars. Just to name two people who are now household names due to tv shows, Chip Foose and Boyd Coddington. They are two great examples of people who carry car enthusiasm well into an lder age, but they do it with style and maturity. Alot of people on here are just kids with kid mentalities.

Don't diss on what he wants to do. I mean, if he wants to rebuild an engine and put it in his car, he can. Alot of people do that because that is THEIR hobbie. Your hobby could be anything from building paper airplanes to making quilts for your mom. I don't know, and I don't care. The majority of the people on a forum, are the type of people who are enthusiasts so you know what your going to get? Alot of people who want MORE power, and want to dress up their ride. It's not a hard thing to understand that people who get online and research their vehicles, are looking for modifications to do to them. We all have to start somewhere, and alot of the people who don't know what they are talking about, quickly get kicked in the ass by the truth when they get overrun by a bunch of negative comments. The Pre-03 Ls's are being driven by younger people, so I'd ASSUME they are trying to learn more about their car, just like any other kid would with his first or 2nd car.

I dont know but that sounds like being a crybaby to me. An internet forum is a place to post peoples experiences/thoughts/opinions. I guess maybe it takes a degree of maturity to just shrug it off if its not something you agree or like. Maybe you can create a new forum called "Guys who wanna rebuild motors and put them into all different types of cars" instead of just car enthusiast. Its a little long though.


Hehehe. It is somewhat of a coincidence that I noticed you posted this comment right after I had posted my assessment of your behavior on another thread in here. Go to that v6 nitrous thread for my thoughts on your behavior. In addition to what I wrote over there I believe you need to take some sort of an anger management class or otherwise not try to wear the "big boy" pants too often. Overall I would suspect you and I would not get along if we met and that is fine. Just refrain from acting like too much of a jerk in here. If you continue to do so it will just force me to grab a bag of popcorn and sit back to enjoy a good chuckle over your rants. Your antics remind me of a little troll who yells at everybody walking by because they are mad at the world and have nothing better to do. Why mad at the world??? My guess is anything from the realization of severe lack of intellect, small pee pee, no girls stick around too long, so on so forth....just a few guesses. :p

Hehehe. It is somewhat of a coincidence that I noticed you posted this comment right after I had posted my assessment of your behavior on another thread in here. Go to that v6 nitrous thread for my thoughts on your behavior. In addition to what I wrote over there I believe you need to take some sort of an anger management class or otherwise not try to wear the "big boy" pants too often. Overall I would suspect you and I would not get along if we met and that is fine. Just refrain from acting like too much of a jerk in here. If you continue to do so it will just force me to grab a bag of popcorn and sit back to enjoy a good chuckle over your rants. Your antics remind me of a little troll who yells at everybody walking by because they are mad at the world and have nothing better to do. Why mad at the world??? My guess is anything from the realization of severe lack of intellect, small pee pee, no girls stick around too long, so on so forth....just a few guesses. :p
But see...thats my point. Your comments just make for good reading. I really dont care. And others posts shouldnt really matter too you. Your the one who has the "i'm taking my ball and playing somewhere else" attitude. This is a place to give an opinion. Some people actions irritate me, others dont. When they do i speak out. All in all i come here to learn some stuff about my LS, any other rants are for entertainment. But its ok...you can take your new 700 hp motor and do your magic on the mustang sites.

PS. On the angry at the world thing. I live my life enjoying myself, i generally like the "world". I have been married for 4 years and have a 3 yr old boy and unfortunately that forces alittle of the protector side out of me in these posts. But by coincidence i live in Orlando which was just identified as the "Angriest city in America". Along with Orlando are three other Flroida cities. So i dont i personally have issues, i am a product of my environment. And big boy pants, i dont show them off , only when provoked. Dude said he'd hand me my ass in person which i know isnt the case, and i didnt start a back and forth battle with that, i just explained a little of who i am, its really really gay to do the "i'll kick your ass" thing on the internet.

Here is the new motor just built. Will put out well over 700 horsepower. All in all there is well over $20,000 in performance into the X now. Enjoy...
Very very nice. Can't wait to see that monster run. Actually just seeing it will be sweet.

Where did you get the idea for that beautiful color.;)

SWEET!!! Hey Rocket, lets get some people together to hit the track this fall at Great Lakes when it gets cooler out. I want to see your LS tear some cars up with NOS!! oh, yeah, and the Explorer too ;)
I'm there. Plan to go alot this fall.

But see...thats my point. Your comments just make for good reading. I really dont care. And others posts shouldnt really matter too you. Your the one who has the "i'm taking my ball and playing somewhere else" attitude. This is a place to give an opinion. Some people actions irritate me, others dont. When they do i speak out. All in all i come here to learn some stuff about my LS, any other rants are for entertainment.


Anyone know where the yawn smiley is at???

PS. On the angry at the world thing. I live my life enjoying myself, i generally like the "world". I have been married for 4 years and have a 3 yr old boy and unfortunately that forces alittle of the protector side out of me in these posts. But by coincidence i live in Orlando which was just identified as the "Angriest city in America". Along with Orlando are three other Flroida cities. So i dont i personally have issues, i am a product of my environment. And big boy pants, i dont show them off , only when provoked. Dude said he'd hand me my ass in person which i know isnt the case, and i didnt start a back and forth battle with that, i just explained a little of who i am, its really really gay to do the "i'll kick your ass" thing on the internet.

It is just your overall piss poor attitude that people have a problem with in here. You do have some valid points, I will not debate that. It is the manner in which you present those points which loses you any chance at getting respect on this board. I would venture a guess at your rebuttal to that being, "I don't care what others think.". Suuuuuure... When I see your posts I envision an egotistical angry troll version of Ken Motz... Full of BS, mixed with prejudicial assumptions, and opinion but with no logical reasoning to back most of it up. Almost so funny to the extent where you remind me of the town's crazy guy who stands on the street corner to rant and cackle madly at passing cars. For what reason??? No one will know...

Very very nice. Can't wait to see that monster run. Actually just seeing it will be sweet.

Where did you get the idea for that beautiful color.;)



Henry Ford. :D

...... you remind me of the town's crazy guy who stands on the street corner to rant and cackle madly at passing cars. For what reason??? No one will know...
That isnt me its my brother. I have been on medication and feel much better now. Now if only the transmitter implanted in my fillings would just shut up.

Hey the setup looks great dude.

I'm sure that I would want to plant that beast in an explorer (ride height and all that), but I know that I want something very much like that in a Mustang very soon.

I just sold my 88 with supercoupe v6 motor and have been seriously suffering while the next big project(s?) take shape.

So many swap/upgrade choices, never enough time.

Some people here just think that they are still motorhead's, but instead they have drifted away from the rest of us.