I know all our lefties here LOVED to watch Bush sink in the polls. Every day there was a new poll (skewed), with new poll numbers showing Bush in the dumper.

So I thought I would sticky this (See Barry, you are finally right. I am using admin status to bully) so as to inflict as much mental anguish upon you as possible. Again, the ONLY poll I watch is Rasmussen. The most consistent and accurate polling company out there.

Today Bush is at 46%. Up 3 points in a week.

Some more things to happen.

Some truth about Iraq will come out that things are going well with the new Iraq government and US troop levels will start to drop in January after the new government is voted in in December.

The MSM press will be forced to 'reveal' that the US economy is doing surprisingly well despite the impact of the hurricanes.

Rove won't be indicted and he will lead Republicans to victory in '06. (Hard to believe, but when people finally realize how long they had the wool pulled over their eyes, they will be pissed at the Dems for it.)

Gas will continue to drop over the winter although people are going to be plenty pissed about natural gas.

Bush is finally fighting back and even quoted the mental midget John Kerry yesterday saying Iraq needed to be attacked because they were imminently dangerous.

Some WMD will turn up in Syria.

Jordanians will lead a revolt against Al-Qaeda.

Stock Market will continue its bull run.

It will be revealed the Bush economic run is longer and better sustained than the Clinton one.

Interest rates will remain (reasonably) in check.

And liberals will be exposed for the hypocrites they are.
Fantastic new book out on Barbra Streisand and Michael Moron revealing their absurd hypocrisy. Book is entitled (appropriately): Do as I say, not as I do.

In the book Barbra is shown preaching about conservation yet it is revealed her water bill is $22,000 month. Michael Moore preaches diversity in hiring yet he has only 'hired' 3 minorities in over 120 recent hires. He even says he doesn't own a share of "big money", you know, stocks, when it is revealed that he owns, get this, Halliburton. 1st time I had pissed in my pants since I was in diapers. LOL. And much much more.

Was this a dream you had Bryan LOL

No, but it'll be your worst nightmare, I'll bet...LOL

Bryan,

I am going to take great pleasure in seeing you eat your words. Unfortunately for us you'll simply remove this post when BuSh's numbers drop on his next :q:q:q:q-up.

Talk about abuse of power.

GWB="Worst President Ever"

hey, at least the man can hope for a better place, unlike you negative nancys

hey, at least the man can hope for a better place, unlike you negative nancys
:I

there wasnt enough teachers, bus drivers, and well fare collecters to make up for the million+ diff at election time, bush has to be doing something right to get a 2nd term. I cant image kerry in office right now.

Why did anyone act surprised when Bush's numbers dropped.

He was relentless pounded over Katrina.
The situation in Iraq was completely misreported, and there was virtually no mention of the successful ratification of a constitution there last month.
One of his top aides were being investigated.
Fuel prices climbed sharply due primarily to the hurricanes ravaging the Gulf of Mexico.

And then, to top things off, he nominated Meirs to the court, alienating his base.

Nothing is ever certain, but I'm confident that Bush has bottomed out and it's all uphill from here. There is a lot of discontentment within the party, and it's looking like the GOP is starting to get the message.

Unlike the Democrat party, the base of the Republican party aren't the fringe groups. Secure the border, support the military, cut the budget, appoint judges who strictly interpret the constitution.... And they'll be back around 55% in no time.

2006 elections are coming fast. Everyone has to get in positions pretty soon.

2006 elections are coming fast. Everyone has to get in positions pretty soon.I've never left my post.

I've never left my post.

this is true

then Barbra Streisand, will turn into Mecha-Streisand... and kill us all!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Mark8Rules/sp6.jpg

then Barbra Streisand, will turn into Mecha-Streisand... and kill us all!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Mark8Rules/sp6.jpg

LOL

Now 43%. Down 3 points in 3 days. Way to go George!

Thanks for the http://www.rasmussenreports.comlink.

(CNN) -- Beset with an unpopular war and an American public increasingly less trusting, President Bush faces the lowest approval rating of his presidency, according to a national poll released Monday.

Bush also received his all-time worst marks in three other categories in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll. The categories were terrorism, Bush's trustworthiness and whether the Iraq war was worthwhile.

Bush's 37 percent overall approval rating was two percentage points below his ranking in an October survey. Both polls had a sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. (Watch: The last Bush Democrat? -- 2:02)

Sixty percent of the 1,006 adult Americans interviewed by telephone Friday through Sunday said they disapprove of how Bush is handling his job as president.

The White House has said it doesn't pay attention to poll numbers and the figures do not affect policy.

"We have a proud record of accomplishment and a positive agenda for the future," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters Wednesday.

"We look forward to continuing to talk about it. I mean, you can get caught up in polls; we don't. Polls are snapshots in time."

Bush, who received high marks after the terrorist attacks of 2001, also rated poorly in the new poll for his policy on terrorism. For the first time, less than half -- 48 percent -- of those surveyed said they approved of how the president was handling the war on terror. Forty-nine percent said they disapprove.

In November 2001, Bush had an 87 percent overall approval mark and an 86 percent rating on terrorism.

Bush has been under fire from Democratic lawmakers for the way his administration made the case to invade Iraq in 2003 and how it has handled the conflict since then.

The president fired back in a speech Monday, accusing Democrats of "playing politics." (Full story)

In the new poll, 60 percent said it was not worth going to war in Iraq, while 38 percent said it was worthwhile. The question was asked of about half of those surveyed and had a margin of error of five percentage points. The results marked a decline in support of seven percentage points from two months earlier.

Bush's lowest approval ratings came on two issues that divide his own Republican Party.

On federal spending, 71 percent disapproved of his performance and 26 percent approved. The approval rating was the same on immigration issues, and the disapproval mark was 65 percent.

Sixty-one percent of respondents disapproved of Bush's handling of the economy, and 37 percent approved.

The country appears to be split on whether Bush is a strong president and whether or not Americans personally like him.

When asked about his abilities, 49 percent of those surveyed said he was a strong president and 49 percent said he was a weak leader.

About 50 percent of people polled said they disliked Bush, with 6 percent claiming to hate the president.

Bush's overall approval mark matched the 37 percent rating of newly elected President Clinton in June 1993. (Interactive: Second-term slump)

When asked if they trust Bush more than they had Clinton, 48 percent of respondents said they trusted Bush less, while 36 percent said they trusted him more and 15 percent said they trusted Bush the same as Clinton.

For the first time, more than half of the public thinks Bush is not honest and trustworthy -- 52 percent to 46 percent.

A week ago, President Bush campaigned for Virginia gubernatorial candidate Jerry Kilgore, who lost the election a day later to Democratic Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine. (Full story)

In the poll, 56 percent of registered voters said they would be likely to vote against a local candidate supported by Bush, while 34 percent said the opposite.

Only 9 percent said their first choice in next year's elections would be a Republican who supports Bush on almost every major issue.

Forty-six percent said the country would be better off if Congress were controlled by Democrats, while 34 percent backed a GOP majority.

A large majority of Republicans -- 80 percent -- approve of Bush's performance, compared with 28 percent of independents and 7 percent of Democrats. Those results had a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

Vice President Dick Cheney's approval rating has dropped 14 points since the start of the year, down from 54 percent in January to 40 percent.

His chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, resigned last month after he was indicted on charges including obstruction of justice and perjury. Libby is accused of lying to investigators and a grand jury investigating the disclosure of the identity of a CIA officer whose husband criticized the White House case for war. (Full story)

First of all Bryan, you have to come back to reality. Every poll you dont like isnt skewed against your boy - your boy just sucks. SOoner or later you have to realize that Bryan. It isnt Iraq, It isnt economic, it isnt gas prices, it isnt integrity, it isnt supreme court nominations - its ALL OF IT.


CNN / Gallup has him at 37% -- DOWN 3 points from last week Even your right wing haven, FOX has him at 36% You know Fox - they are the fair and balanced <cough> news network that has this ad on their homepage

http://oas.foxnews.com/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/newsmax_300_ros_051115/GiulinaiPrezFX300x250.gif

11/10/05 FOX Poll: President Bush's Ratings Continue to Suffer (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175184,00.html)- Today, 36 percent of Americans approve and 53 percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing as president. For comparison, two weeks ago 41 percent said they approved and 51 percent disapproved, and at the beginning of his second term 50 percent approved and 40 percent disapproved (January 25-26).


http://www.pollingreport.com/images/GALsat-trend.GIF

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/APratings.GIF

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/GALsuccess.GIF



Data from POLLING REPORT (http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm)

First of all Bryan, you have to come back to reality. Every poll you dont like isnt skewed against your boy - your boy just sucks. SOoner or later you have to realize that Bryan. It isnt Iraq, It isnt economic, it isnt gas prices, it isnt integrity, it isnt supreme court nominations - its ALL OF IT.


But Bryan we still Love ya man!!

First of all Bryan, you have to come back to reality. Every poll you dont like isnt skewed against your boy - your boy just sucks.

Why should any other those polls be taken seriously? They are all bull:q:q:q:q biased liberal media polls. Show me the research behind the Fox dynamics poll.

According to polls, Kerry should be President by a landslide. Hell, even on election day he was our President, right? Bunch of crap. Like I have said again and again, the ONLY guy in polling that gets it right is Rasmussen. Go ahead and kid yourself by jumping on the polling bandwagon. I'll continue to toot my own horn, thank you.

Keep the faith, Bryan. Let them jeer.

Don't worry about these scoffers. The whole point of this thread is for them to wrap the noose around their necks so later on we can gloat. Looks like they're playing into our hands.

Keep the faith, Bryan. Let them jeer.They posted poll numbers this morning that Clinton was also at 37%. Did we hear day-in-and-day-out about his poll numbers. Was it the lead story on the news every night. All it is is a ploy by the left to 'educate' the uneducated. To tell them what to think. The pack mentality. What a joke.

They posted poll numbers this morning that Clinton was also at 37%. Did we hear day-in-and-day-out about his poll numbers. Was it the lead story on the news every night. All it is is a ploy by the left to 'educate' the uneducated. To tell them what to think. The pack mentality. What a joke.

It was nightly Bryan it was nightly!! And the same thing Righty would keep bringing anything up...

News every night.. Clinton this Clinton that... the conservative media had a field day... So what's wrong with it.

You just don't like it when it's your guy!!!

It was nightly Bryan it was nightly!! And the same thing Righty would keep bringing anything up...

News every night.. Clinton this Clinton that... the conservative media had a field day... So what's wrong with it.

You just don't like it when it's your guy!!!

WRONG. What we heard nightly was how Ken Starr was on a witch hunt, Ken Starr was a pervert, Ken Starr was partisan, Ken Starr this, Ken Starr that. All your lib buddies piled on Ken Starr and made Clinton out to be a victim.

No, the country was the victim -- How much did Starr spend?

And Bryan -- SO tell me - now that Fox is liberal (yeah right) -- What poll makes you happy? Where did you get your 46%?

So is it everyone against your guy? All the media? Everyone things he is doing a poor job, BUT, they all dont know what their talking about...

Now I understand.

No, the country was the victim -- How much did Starr spend?

Don't you mean, how much did Janet Reno authorize?



So is it everyone against your guy? All the media? Everyone things he is doing a poor job, BUT, they all dont know what their talking about...

Now I understand.

All the media is against Bush. And the people of this country watch the media.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=15043

Now you understand.

WRONG. What we heard nightly was how Ken Starr was on a witch hunt, Ken Starr was a pervert, Ken Starr was partisan, Ken Starr this, Ken Starr that. All your lib buddies piled on Ken Starr and made Clinton out to be a victim.

You do live in Wonderland don't you!!

Don't you mean, how much did Janet Reno authorize?




All the media is against Bush. And the people of this country watch the media.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=15043

Now you understand.
Well, yeah,... that's cause their all sitting home Unemployed...

All the media is against Bush. And the people of this country watch the media.

Are we going to start this again? Last time you said "All media is liberal" Johnny caught you in hole and you then started saying he misquoted you. So for the sake of the thread, pick a stance and stick with it.

Thanks for the http://www.rasmussenreports.comlink.
Pay attention to that polling company and you might learn something. Prove me wrong. They have been the most accurate pollster the last 2 election cycles. Yeh, I saw the 3 point bump but I figured I didn't want to steal your thunder.

You're a true sport Bryan.:Beer

No, the country was the victim -- How much did Starr spend?

And Bryan -- SO tell me - now that Fox is liberal (yeah right) -- What poll makes you happy? Where did you get your 46%?

So is it everyone against your guy? All the media? Everyone things he is doing a poor job, BUT, they all dont know what their talking about...

Now I understand.

Fox is as close to the middle as any news organization in the country.
They always have a liberal vs conservative on. What I love to see is how CNN and MSNBC have copied the look of FOX and are now 9Once in a great while) putting on conservatives to refute some of the non-sense dribbling out from the left.

I asked you to show me the numbers behind the FOX poll. How many people. Likely voters. Timeframe. Dem #'s vs Rep #'s, etc.

Most polls stacked the Dem to make their numbers. Just look at the exist polls for election 2004 for proof of that.

Are we going to start this again? Last time you said "All media is liberal" Johnny caught you in hole and you then started saying he misquoted you. So for the sake of the thread, pick a stance and stick with it.

Partisan, partisan. Why don't you berate Joey for saying "Everyone thinks he is doing a poor job", hmmm? Why don't you challenge him to pick a stance?

Isn't it incorrect to say that when the polls read 37%? That's not EVERYONE! I was merely responding to his absurd premise with equal absurdity. Once again, that has gone completely over your head.

All I'm asking is for you to be consistent.

Do it for the sake of the thread.

You do live in Wonderland don't you!!


Ken Starr = Puritanical Peeping Tom! Patrick Fitzgerald = Sexy!
Posted by Geoffrey Dickens on November 16, 2005 - 14:07.

Back during the impeachment days of the late 90s Ken Starr was portrayed as an out-of-control prosecutor peeping through Bill Clinton's Oval Office window. Fast forward to this morning's Today show and we find Patrick Fitzgerald is getting the star treatment from People magazine.

At 7:51am Today had an exclusive unveiling of People magazine's Sexiest Man Alive issue and it turns out Fitzgerald made the list:

Katie Couric: "Do you have the thinking woman's sex symbol in there at any point?"

Julie Jordan, People magazine: "Yes. Yeah like we got lots of smart men. Patrick Fitzgerald. I love that he actually is..."

Couric: "The special prosecutor. Oh my gosh he must've been so freaked out when he got the call! He keeps dirty socks at work and apparently has pizza boxes up to the ceiling at his house."

Now your buddy BuSh is at 42% by Rasmussen. Wonder what crow tastes like Bryan? Another day, another point. That a four point drop in 4 days. There's only about 45 days left in the year.

I asked you to show me the numbers behind the FOX poll. How many people. Likely voters. Timeframe. Dem #'s vs Rep #'s, etc.




Or you could have just looked on the fox page yourself

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/poll_111005.pdf

Partisan, partisan. Why don't you berate Joey for saying "Everyone thinks he is doing a poor job", hmmm? Why don't you challenge him to pick a stance?

Isn't it incorrect to say that when the polls read 37%? That's not EVERYONE! I was merely responding to his absurd premise with equal absurdity. Once again, that has gone completely over your head.

.


I was actually referring to Bryan's assertion that all the media polls are skewed. 'everyone' was an over-exaggeration. What I meant was all the major media claim the president has very bad job approval ratings - but according to Bryan they're all wrong.

POLITICAL IDENTIFICATION
When you think about politics, do you think of yourself as a Democrat or a
Republican?
1. Democrat 38%
2. Republican 36
3. (Independent) 20
4. (Other) 2
5. (Refused/Don’t know) 4


Make the poll 38% Republicans and 36% Dems and it is a 4 point swing. So take your 37%, add 4 points and you have 41%. Now your getting closer to Rasmussen's 42%.

From Rasmussen:

"Just 25% of Americans believe the United States is heading in the right direction these days. Democrats have a seven-point advantage on the Generic Congressional Ballot."

From Rasmussen:

"Just 25% of Americans believe the United States is heading in the right direction these days. Democrats have a seven-point advantage on the Generic Congressional Ballot."


If we were in school, that would be an 'F'...........

From Rasmussen:

"Just 25% of Americans believe the United States is heading in the right direction these days. Democrats have a seven-point advantage on the Generic Congressional Ballot."

Election 2008

Democrats

Clinton 43%
Gore 14%
Edwards 13%
Kerry 10%

Go Hillary! You can do it! You can do it all night long!


Hillary Meter: 44% Liberal

If Hillary Clinton runs for President in 2008, 30% of Americans say they would definitely vote for her. Thirty-nine percent (39%) would definitely vote against the former First Lady. That's little changed from two weeks ago

Go Hillary! You can do it! You can do it all night long!


Are you lusting after her Bryan?

Are you lusting after her Bryan?I wouldn't pry open her door even with your Slim Jim.:cool:

I wouldn't pry open her door even with your Slim Jim.:cool:

You COULDN'T pry it open with the Jaws of Life and a hundred-year head start.

Wow! Rasmussen has GWB at 45% today. Way to go, George! Sorry about your lousy China trip. Not much accomplished on that one.

Not much accomplished on that one.

Do you know what was discussed. If you are waiting for the media to report the successes coming out of the meetings, don't hold your breath. Only videos of Bush trying to open a closed door is newsworthy.

Do some searching and you'll find it has been a great trip so far. Japan, Korea, Mongolia, China. Impressive trip.

for some reason when I see that pic I think the guy is about to say "Ready, Aim, Fire"

Wednesday 11/23 update.

BUSH JOB APPROVAL AT 46%

Where's my buddy Barry to keep us updated? Only 5 points away from some good tasting shoe leather Barry. Would you prefer alligator or ostrich?

I figure gas under $2.00 will be good for 2 points. Zarqawi should be good for another point, Iraq vote one more point and troop pullback for the last point. Bingo.

Big Deal Bryan!

That Just Means That 54% Still Dislike This Idiot.

Big Deal Bryan!

That Just Means That 54% Still Dislike This Idiot.

From Rasmussen Poll: Strongly Disapprove 38%

Actually only 38% dislike him. They are the same 38% that didn't like him before he was elected. It is the same 38% that comprise the group called the 'mental midgets' and the same 38% that will vote for Hillary.

I love it. Now that Bush's numbers are going up again, it is 'BIG DEAL' to you.:cool:

There is a poll out which I can't find...could you locate it Bryan? It shows the approval ratings of Bush, the Republicans in Congress, and the Dems in Congress, and the lowest ratings of all three are the Dems in Congress.

There is a poll out which I can't find...could you locate it Bryan? It shows the approval ratings of Bush, the Republicans in Congress, and the Dems in Congress, and the lowest ratings of all three are the Dems in Congress.


I found it -

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...


Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2005 3:05 p.m. EST
Polls Show Mixed Views on Politics

Recent polling data by the Cook Political Report from the National Journal shows that Americans are not enamored with calls by Democrats for the withdrawal of U.S. military troops from Iraq.

Further, a separate Harris Poll shows Americans are less supportive of congressional Democrats than they are of President Bush or congressional Republicans.

68 percent of respondents in the Cook poll said Democratic criticisms of Bush’s policies in Iraq hurt troop morale. Only 14 percent said it helps.

52 percent said Democratic criticism was an attempt to gain political advantage rather than to help US efforts in Iraq. 30 percent thought the criticism would help.

50 percent thought the US should withdraw troops as Iraq meets its goals. 29 percent said they should be withdrawn according to a publicly available timetable for withdrawal. Only 15 percent advocated an immediate withdrawal regardless of impact.

The poll numbers suggest that the Bush administration’s effort to re-engage the debate over pre-war intelligence and the general direction of the war in Iraq is working to the president’s advantage.

The most recent Harris poll shows that, while Americans still give negative ratings to the president and congressional Republicans, they give even worse ratings to congressional Democrats.

In the poll conducted from November 8 to November 13, 34 percent of respondents gave the president a positive job approval rating. 65 percent gave a negative rating.

27 percent gave a positive rating to Republicans in Congress. 69 percent gave a negative rating.


25 percent gave a positive rating to Democrats in Congress. 70 percent gave a negative rating.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was the only political figure to enjoy positive polling numbers. 52 percent gave Rice a positive job approval rating, while 41 percent gave a negative rating.

Another Poll You Won’t Hear About: Confidence in War on Terror Way Up
Posted by Noel Sheppard on December 2, 2005 - 10:35.

As has been reported by NewsBusters before, the mainstream media largely ignore the polling work of Scott Rasmussen. Certainly, it is quite unlikely they will report polling data that he just released concerning how Americans feel the War on Terror is going:

“December 2, 2005--Confidence in the War on Terror is up sharply compared to a month ago. Forty-eight percent (48%) Americans now believe the U.S. and its Allies are winning. That's up nine points from 39% a month ago and represents the highest level of confidence measured in 2005.

“Just 28% now believe the terrorists are winning, down six points from 34% a month ago. The survey was conducted on Wednesday and Thursday night following the President's speech outlining his strategy in Iraq.”

As is typical, these sentiments are much different depending on party affiliation:

“Huge partisan divisions on questions dealing with Iraq remain. Seventy-four percent (74%) of Republicans believe the U.S. and its allies are winning. That's up from 64% a month ago.

“Just 28% of Democrats believe the U.S. is winning while 45% of Nancy Pelosi's party believe the terrorists are winning. Even that is a more optimistic assessment than last month when just 19% of Democrats said the U.S. was winning.”

Those not connected with one of the two major parties are also quite positive:

“Among those those not affiliated with either major party, 40% now say the U.S. and its allies are winning. Thirty percent (30%) take the opposite view. A month ago, unaffiliateds were evenly divided.”

Woohoo. Only 4 points away (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm). Me goes searching for a nice old shoe in the closet for Barry to dine on.;)

Bush up to 48% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm) with a couple more speeches to go.

TIME Omits Positive War on Terror Results From Report on its Own Poll
Posted by Noel Sheppard on December 6, 2005 - 01:11.

On Friday, NewsBusters reported the results of a new Rasmussen poll indicating that the public’s view of the War on Terrorism has dramatically improved in the past couple of months, but none of the mainstream media were opting to share this information with the citizenry. Well, another polling agency has just done a survey confirming this increase in American optimism concerning this subject. Yet, in this case, the very media outlet that paid for the survey is the one not including the results in its own published report.

On Sunday, TIME magazine posted an article at its website concerning a recent poll done for it by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). This survey covered the typical analysis found in most polls these days including the president's job approval rating, how the public feels things are going in Iraq, etc. Yet, TIME curiously chose not to share with its readers an entire section from this SRBI survey concerning how the public feels the War on Terrorism is going.

The folks at PollingReport.com have the results that TIME didn’t share with its readers. For instance, 49 percent of those surveyed felt that the president is doing a good job handling the War on Terrorism. This is up from 46 percent in their poll taken after Katrina hit.

In addition, 41 percent of those surveyed claimed to be either “Not Very Worried” or “Not Worried at All” about there being a terrorist attack on America in the next few months. This is up from 27 percent in early August. Finally, 63 percent of those surveyed felt that America is better prepared to respond to a terrorist attack than it was on 9/11. Only 34 percent felt the nation isn’t better prepared.

This makes one wonder why TIME didn’t want to share these results with the public, and, instead, had ample room to address how the indictment of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby is impacting the president’s job approval rating.

Bush up to 48% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm) with a couple more speeches to go.

46% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm) today.

46% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm) today.
LOL. I knew I would hear from YOU today. LOL. Trendline rising.

45% today. Down 3 points in 3 days again. Only 77% of Repugs approve.

44% today. Down 4 points in 4 days again. Speeches didn't help much.

No doubt bummed. People just can't wake up. Slumber along everybody till we get hit again.

Man, all you guys need to get real lives. I can't believe you obsess about the poll numbers. And to make it a sticky?? Come on! Its like obsessing about a particular stock price every day. Day to day numbers don't count for anything, its the long-term trend.

All the poll numbers are hard to interpret at best, and totally meaningless at worst. The poll results depend on how the question was asked, the sample of people answering, how many respondents, etc. Since there is no consistency or uniformity, its hard to draw solid conclusions about public opinion based on polls.

The only people who care about the polls are news media outlets because it gives them something to talk about. And, of course, you knuckleheads. Now get out there and drive your Lincs and Caddies!

Man, all you guys need to get real lives. I can't believe you obsess about the poll numbers. And to make it a sticky?? Come on! Its like obsessing about a particular stock price every day. Day to day numbers don't count for anything, its the long-term trend.

All the poll numbers are hard to interpret at best, and totally meaningless at worst. The poll results depend on how the question was asked, the sample of people answering, how many respondents, etc. Since there is no consistency or uniformity, its hard to draw solid conclusions about public opinion based on polls.

The only people who care about the polls are news media outlets because it gives them something to talk about. And, of course, you knuckleheads. Now get out there and drive your Lincs and Caddies!

Hey, YOU TELL THAT TO BARRY. That's Mister Knucklehead to you.
;)

David,

Are You Back To Being A Jerk Again? Your Butt-buddy Bryan Created The Sticky, Not Me!!!;)

David,

Your Butt-buddy Bryan Created The Sticky, Not Me!!!;)

David,

Are You Back To Being A Jerk Again? Your Butt-buddy Bryan Created The Sticky, Not Me!!!;)


Barry, you most likely identified the bottom in the rankings, a couple of weeks ago,

Keep up the good work.

-lol-

We love you.

44% today. Down 4 points in 4 days again. Speeches didn't help much.


Down 5% in 5 days. I'd say that pretty significant dispite what the newbie says.

How low can he go?

Down 5% in 5 days. I'd say that pretty significant dispite what the newbie says.

How low can he go?

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Man, all you guys need to get real lives. I can't believe you obsess about the poll numbers. And to make it a sticky?? Come on! Its like obsessing about a particular stock price every day. Day to day numbers don't count for anything, its the long-term trend.



You are right, lets take a look at the long-term trend. He's headed down hill with no end in sight. Too bad he's taking the rest of this country with him.

You are right, lets take a look at the long-term trend. He's headed down hill with no end in sight. Too bad he's taking the rest of this country with him.

Johnny, what does your chart say, in your own words?

From Rasmussen

Bush Job Approval

Strongly Approve 22%
Somewhat Approve 21%
Somewhat Disapprove 19%
Strongly Disapprove 36%

This is what I love about polls. I could easily argue that I 'somewhat' disapprove of what Bush has been doing so it could be argued that people in that camp actually LIKE Bush except for a couple of things. So maybe Bush's ACTUAL numbers are 64% approval.

All goes to show you that doing the right thing matters more than poll numbers. That is all I care about. Of course I wanted to see 51% because I could then send that old stinky shoe over to Barrys, but it is not the end of the world.

I can't believe nobody pointed out the poll questions before. Again, Rasmussen has been the most accurate pollster but i would certainly prefer to see the stats reflect different questions.

You are right, lets take a look at the long-term trend. He's headed down hill with no end in sight. Too bad he's taking the rest of this country with him.Curious you can't come up with a more current graph than Nov 2nd. If I looked into it, I bet that date reflects his lowest poll number of his Presidency. You can do better Johnny. Let's see the December number.

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This place is a JOKE.

How lame Bryan. First you make this a sticky touting how good Rasmussen's polls are and now you want to twist their numbers to suit you twisted needs.

BuSh is falling on his face and taking the GOP with him.

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This place is a JOKE.You got a problem with it, take it up with me. I'm tired of the posts where you take a jab when one is not called for. There was no reason to post what you did except to get a rise out of someone. Don't like it? Don't do it.

This is the loosest political forum on a non-political site on the web. A lot is tolerated here. Maybe I'm a little cranky but your post has been covered already several times and I see no need to have it surface again and again and again.

How lame Bryan. First you make this a sticky touting how good Rasmussen's polls are and now you want to twist their numbers to suit you twisted needs.

BuSh is falling on his face and taking the GOP with him.Did you read my whole post or did you just use your 'speed-reading' skills to cull the good stuff?;) I said Rasmussen has the best numbers but I don't like how he is doing the Bush performance numbers. I'll take it up with Scott next time I talk to him.

My needs are our Country's needs when it comes to a key area of government. To have a successful campaign to win the war against the bad guys and keep us safe. If Bush is the guy in office, he gets the support. If Hillary, God forbid, is in office, I'll (choke, choke) have to do the same because the interests of the Country will always take precidence over my own needs when it comes to national security.

I'll believe that when I see your first supportive post for Hillarity. I'm no fan of hers either.

I'll believe that when I see your first supportive post for Hillarity. I'm no fan of hers either.

Hillarity!!! LMAO:bowrofl: I feel a t-shirt coming on.

Curious you can't come up with a more current graph than Nov 2nd. If I looked into it, I bet that date reflects his lowest poll number of his Presidency. You can do better Johnny. Let's see the December number.

Irrelevant. I'm addressing the comment "Day to day numbers don't count for anything, its the long-term trend."

Here's another just to show it's not just this one poll that shows GW sliding into the gutter. Be my guest, go play "follow the loser".

You are right, lets take a look at the long-term trend. He's headed down hill with no end in sight. Too bad he's taking the rest of this country with him.

Sorry, that's not a long enough trend. I'm talking more "judgement of history" type of timeframe -- more like 10 years, not 5. Nice try, though.

Irrelevant. I'm addressing the comment "Day to day numbers don't count for anything, its the long-term trend."

Here's another just to show it's not just this one poll that shows GW sliding into the gutter. Be my guest, go play "follow the loser".THE MOST ACCURATE pollster these last 8 years and they are not even listed? Joke, joke, joke.

I saw Dick Morris on O'Reilly last night, and he gave a brilliant analysis of how poll questions are skewed. I'm trying to find the transcript. When I do, I'll post it here.

Sorry, that's not a long enough trend. I'm talking more "judgement of history" type of timeframe -- more like 10 years, not 5. Nice try, though.

NEWSFLASH, GW hasn't been in office for TEN years. Going back to when GW took office isn't long enough for you? WTF? You are a perfect example of IGNORANCE of the FACTS. Go ahead and associate yourself w/ the rest of the clueless shribbies here.

THE MOST ACCURATE pollster these last 8 years and they are not even listed? Joke, joke, joke.

Go ahead wiseguy, YOU plot your "holy grail of polls" Rassmussen data over the same timescale if you think you can prove all those other polls invalid. I'm not wasting my time.

You won't because it will not support your assertions. Just another losing position you cling to.

Go ahead wiseguy, YOU plot your "holy grail of polls" Rassmussen data over the same timescale if you think you can prove all those other polls invalid. I'm not wasting my time.

You won't because it will not support your assertions. Just another losing position you cling to.
That is not the issue and you know it. MY issue with the chart you posted is that it IGNORES the most accurate pollster out there. Therefore, it is inherently biased to begin with.

You're the king of charting. What does the Rasmussen poll chart look like for Bush's presidency?

And what is with that Quinnipiac college poll? I never heard of them until Hillarity moved into their town. Must have made them instantly credible because the powerful Clintons decided to live there. NOT!

That is not the issue and you know it. MY issue with the chart you posted is that it IGNORES the most accurate pollster out there. Therefore, it is inherently biased to begin with.

You're the king of charting. What does the Rasmussen poll chart look like for Bush's presidency?

And what is with that Quinnipiac college poll? I never heard of them until Hillarity moved into their town. Must have made them instantly credible because the powerful Clintons decided to live there. NOT!

Of course that is YOUR issue w/ every poll other than Rassmussen. Show me where I can find the historical data for Rassmussen and I'd be glad to plot it for you. But I'm not wasting my time digging for it. It's going to show one of two things: It will either track favorably with all the other polls (rendering your argument moot), or it will be completely different, lets say for agument sake you are right and it shows BuSh's ratings going UP with time (the inverted version of the above plots). In that event, it would have to take a totally irrational person to defend an argument that this one Rassmussen pollster is "truth" and all 13 of those other polls are "lies". But then again, that seems to be par for the course for you shrubbies. "Cling to that last hope of redemption in the face of facts."

Without taking issues with the poll, I'm going to take issue with that silly graph.

Graphs are the most manipulated forms of posting data available.
By altering the scaling and spacing of the data, you can make two scales displayin the exact same data looking greatly different.

So, in the case of the above graph, we're contrasting Bush's current polling to his unusually high, unrealistic to maintain, post 9/11 highs.

But if you look at the polling data prior to the attacks, you'll see they aren't so radically different.

This thread is reporting the inevitable natural correction as a "downward trend" despite the fact that it was inevitable. No politician could maintain 80 or 90 percent approval.

Also- despite these polls, he still beat conclusively beat Kerry. What does that say about the strength of the DNC?

Show me where I can find the historical data for Rassmussen and I'd be glad to plot it for you.Here, I wasted my time. So I guess the question is... Is Rasmussen wrong and everybody else right? History shows in favor of Rasmussen for at least the last 8 years.

NEWSFLASH, GW hasn't been in office for TEN years. Going back to when GW took office isn't long enough for you? WTF? You are a perfect example of IGNORANCE of the FACTS. Go ahead and associate yourself w/ the rest of the clueless shribbies here.

Hey, what's with all the nastiness, John? Let's try to have an intelligent debate, and not resort to these attacks, OK?

My only point is that the true judge of whether a president was effective or influential comes after he's left office. Obviously, Bush has been in office only 5 years and its not enough time to really judge his presidency. Thats what I mean by the "judgment of history" reference.

The problem with these polls, as I see it, is that regardless of who is president, they reflect daily numbers that are filled with so many variables and so much emotion, its hard to really tell if they mean anything. Sure, you can show data that the trend is downward for a limited period of time, but I don't think that means much in the larger scheme of things. I recall seeing a poll recently that showed a similar trend for the whole of Congress. I've seen polls for Bush showing the trend up, and I've seen them trending down. I don't put a lot of stock in any of these polls for the reasons I and others have described.

What does your last sentence have to do with polls? We're talking about BuSh's perceived performance today. Not 5 years ago, or even last year. Today.

Sorry, my last post was directed at Calabrio.

My point with the polls are is that all they reflect is the media bias in this country. Most people only know what they are told. If the media reported 'good' things coming out of Iraq, support for the war and for Bush would rise. The economy is good, but the media has not reported it that way. All boils down to the left-wingers that control the media control a portion of the mindless robots that are many American voters. Doesn't make them bad people, they just don't know any better than what they are told and right now they are being told that Bush and the Iraq war are bad so why would anyone expect anything different in the polls.

Hey, what's with all the nastiness, John? Let's try to have an intelligent debate, and not resort to these attacks, OK?

Oh yeah, you're new here. This site's all about hostility. Welcome.

Chew on this...

COMMENTARY
January 2006

The Panic Over Iraq

Norman Podhoretz

Like, I am sure, many other believers in what this country has been trying to do in the Middle East and particularly in Iraq, I have found my thoughts returning in the past year to something that Tom Paine, writing at an especially dark moment of the American Revolution, said about such times. They are, he memorably wrote, “the times that try men’s souls,” the times in which “the summer soldier and the sunshine patriot” become so disheartened that they “shrink from the service of [their] country.”

But Paine did not limit his anguished derision to former supporters of the American War of Independence whose courage was failing because things had not been going as well on the battlefield as they had expected or hoped. In a less famous passage, he also let loose on another group:

’Tis surprising to see how rapidly a panic will sometimes run through a country. . . . Yet panics, in some cases, have their uses . . . . [T]heir peculiar advantage is, that they are the touchstones of sincerity and hypocrisy, and bring things and men to light, which might otherwise have lain for ever undiscovered.

Thus, he explained, “Many a disguised Tory has lately shown his head,” emboldened by the circumstances of the moment to reveal an opposition to the break with Britain that it had previously seemed prudent to conceal.

The similarities to our situation today are uncanny. We, too, are in the midst of a rapidly spreading panic. We, too, have our sunshine patriots and summer soldiers, in the form of people who initially supported the invasion of Iraq—and the Bush Doctrine from which it followed—but who are now abandoning what they have decided is a sinking ship. And we, too, are seeing formerly disguised opponents of the war coming more and more out into the open, and in ever greater numbers.

Yet in spite of these similarities, there is also a very curious difference between the American panic of 1776-7 and the American panic of 2005-6. To put it in the simplest and starkest terms: in that early stage of the Revolutionary War, there was sound reason to fear that the British would succeed in routing Washington’s forces. In Iraq today, however, and in the Middle East as a whole, a successful outcome is staring us in the face. Clearly, then, the panic over Iraq—which expresses itself in increasingly frenzied calls for the withdrawal of our forces—cannot have been caused by the prospect of defeat. On the contrary, my twofold guess is that the real fear behind it is not that we are losing but that we are winning, and that what has catalyzed this fear into a genuine panic is the realization that the chances of pulling off the proverbial feat of snatching an American defeat from the jaws of victory are rapidly running out.

Monster~ Bottom line is if Bush wins in Iraq, the Democrats lose at the polling booth. That is what this all boils down to. The media tried their damned best to defeat bush in the last election and they are doing their damned best to beat him now so he won't have a Republican successor, thereby supporting their claim that he was no good as evidenced by the election.

Of course, to anyone who relies entirely or largely on the mainstream media for information, it will come as a great surprise to hear that we are winning in Iraq. Winning? Militarily? How can we be winning militarily when, day after day, the only thing of any importance going on in that country is suicide bombings and car bombings? When neither our own troops nor the Iraqi forces we have been training are able to stop the “insurgents” from scoring higher and higher body counts? When every serious military move we make against the strongholds of these dedicated and ruthless adversaries is met with “fierce resistance”? When, for every one of them we manage to kill, two more seem to pop up?

Winning? Politically? How can we be winning politically when the very purpose for which we allegedly invaded Iraq has been unmasked as a chimera? When every step we force the Iraqis to take toward democratization is accompanied by angry sectarian strife between Shiites and Sunnis and between each of them and the Kurds? When our clumsy efforts to bring the Sunnis into the political process have hardly made a dent in their support for the insurgency? When the end result is less likely to be the stable democratic regime we supposedly went there to establish than a civil war followed by the breakup of Iraq into three separate countries?

There has been one great exception to this relentless drumbeat of bad news: it occurred in January 2005, in the coverage of the first election in liberated Iraq. To the astonishment of practically everyone in the world, more than 8 million Iraqis came out to vote on election day even though the Islamofascist terrorists had threatened to slaughter them if they did. This very astonishment was a measure of how false an impression had been created of the state of affairs in Iraq. No one fed by the mainstream media could have had the slightest inkling that these 8 million people were actually there, so invisible had they been to reporters who spent all their time interviewing the discontented Iraqi Man in the Street and to cameras seemingly incapable of focusing on anything but carnage and rubble.

But the mainstream media soon recovered from the shock. By October, on the morning after a second ballot in which the new Iraqi constitution was ratified by fully 79 percent of the electorate, the Washington Post ran its announcement of these inspiring results on page 13. As for the paper’s front page, the columnist Jeff Jacoby would note that it

was dominated by a photograph, stretched across four columns, of three daughters at the funeral of their father, . . . who had died from injuries suffered during a September 26 bombing in Baghdad. Two accompanying stories, both above the fold, were headlined “Military Has Lost 2,000 in Iraq” and “Bigger, Stronger, Homemade Bombs Now to Blame for Half of U.S. Deaths.” A nearby graphic—“The Toll”—divided the 2,000 deaths by type of military service.

In sum, in the words of the Australian blogger Arthur Chrenkoff:

Death, violence, terrorism, precarious political situation, problems with reconstruction, and public frustration (both in Iraq and America) dominate, if not overwhelm, the mainstream media coverage and commentary on Iraq.

About a year ago, concerned that he might have been exaggerating when he made this assertion on the basis of his “gut feeling,” Chrenkoff decided to check it out more scientifically. So he did “a little tally” of the stories published or broadcast all over the world on a single average day (which happened to be January 21, 2005). Here are some of the numbers that, with the help of the Google News Index, he was able to report from that one day:

* 2,642 stories about Condoleezza Rice’s confirmation hearings, in the context of grilling she has received over the administration’s Iraq policy.
* 1,992 stories about suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks.
* 887 stories about prisoner abuse by British soldiers.
* 216 stories about hostages currently being held in Iraq.
* 761 stories reporting on activities and public statements of insurgents.
* 357 stories about the antiwar movement and the dropping public support for involvement in Iraq.
* 182 stories about American servicemen killed and wounded in operations.
* 217 stories about concerns for fairness and validity of Iraqi election (low security, low turnout, etc.).
* 107 stories about civilian deaths in Iraq.
* 123 stories noting Vice President Cheney’s admission that he had underestimated the task of reconstruction.
* 118 stories about complicated and strained relations between the U.S. and Europe.
* 121 stories discussing the possibility of an American pullout.
* 27 stories about sabotage of Iraqi oil infrastructure.
As against all this, the good news made a pathetic showing:
* 16 stories about security successes in the fight against insurgents.
* 7 stories about positive developments relating to elections.
* 73 stories about the return to Iraq of stolen antiquities.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------And this was only a 1 day snapshot. No media bias??? Keep drinking the koolaid.

David,

Your Butt-buddy Bryan Created The Sticky, Not Me!!!;)Careful, your homosexual tendencies are starting to show.:shifty: :shifty:

NEWSFLASH, GW hasn't been in office for TEN years. Going back to when GW took office isn't long enough for you? WTF? You are a perfect example of IGNORANCE of the FACTS. Go ahead and associate yourself w/ the rest of the clueless shribbies here.

LOL what are SHRIBBIES?

What does your last sentence have to do with polls? We're talking about BuSh's perceived performance today. Not 5 years ago, or even last year. Today.

Becauase the comments being made in the thread, adn the image represented by the charts depicted in this thread by Johnny, are there to imply there is a uncharacteristically sharp decline in popularity, and ridiculously low popularity.

If you were to remove the uncharacteristic spike that resulted after the 9/11 attack, you'd see a much more natural looking curve. The way the charts posted here are charted are deceptive.

And as for the recent polling, it's improving. And it will continue to improve over the next few months. And when the Democrats lose more seats in the Congress, you guys can take all you'll be able to use all your polling data to wipe away your tears.

Boo-Hoo. He's up to 45%. That means that only 55% hate him now.

Actually, Barry, you are incorrect. The number of those polled who "STRONGLY DISAPPROVE" of Bush is much smaller than 55%. Remember that there are four categories in the polling:

1. Strongly Approve
2. Somewhat Approve
3. Somewhat Disapprove
4. Strongly Disapprove

You could make a case for all the 'Somewhats' to go to either side, or NEITHER side, if you wanted to.

Even the faithful are starting to open their eyes. Now only 76% of Republicans approve of BuSh. Down from 80% when this thread started. Speeches didn't help much did they, Bryan?

Even the faithful are starting to open their eyes. Now only 76% of Republicans approve of BuSh. Down from 80% when this thread started. Speeches didn't help much did they, Bryan?

Obviously you can't read. Or you don't think we'll check out your silly claims.

President Bush Job Approval

Updated Daily by Noon Eastern Bush Job Approval

Strongly Approve 24%
Somewhat Approve 22%
Somewhat Disapprove 15%
Strongly Disapprove 38%
RasmussenReports.com


Thursday December 15, 2005--Forty-six percent (46%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

Bush earns approval from 79% of Republicans, 20% of Democrats, and 37% of unaffiliated voters.

Forty percent (40%) of Americans give President Bush good or excellent ratings for his handling of the situation in Iraq. That's up from 38% a couple of weeks ago and 33% in November.


By the way, UP 2 POINTS TODAY. :)

I can read just fine, jerk. If you look at the time stamp you'll see that I posted those numbers this morning, obviously before the poll numbers changed.

2%!!!! BFD.

I can read just fine, jerk. If you look at the time stamp you'll see that I posted those numbers this morning, obviously before the poll numbers changed.

2%!!!! BFD.
It certainly is a BFD to YOU everytime it goes DOWN 2%.

:lol: :blah: :slap:

Liberals=Name-callers

Actually, it's an 8 point gain from a month ago.
That is a BFD.....

From your buddy Rasmussen:

32% Favor Bush Impeachment

Thirty-two percent (32%) of Americans believe that President George W. Bush should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty-eight percent (58%) take the opposite view.

From your buddy Rasmussen:

32% Favor Bush Impeachment

Thirty-two percent (32%) of Americans believe that President George W. Bush should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty-eight percent (58%) take the opposite view.

So what? 32% is about right for the LWW kool-aid drinkers. You're making a point in Bush's favor. Nearly 6 in 10 think NOT.

Bush Approval (cough,cough) ratings are up to (cough,cough) 47% :eek: (cough,cough) in latest ABC News poll.

Read it and weep here (http://abcnews.go.com/International/PollVault/story?id=1421748).

And of course CNN can't see past their noses.

Communist News Network (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/)

And of course CNN can't see past their noses.

Communist News Network (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/)

Communist News Network

-lol-

I remember when my Dad used to comment on local politics, and rent control.

“I fled communism, only to find it here.”

Bush ratings rise on Iraq election, economy: poll

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A successful Iraq election and an improved domestic economic outlook have lifted U.S. President George W. Bush's job-approval rating to its highest level since March, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll released on Monday.

Forty-seven percent of Americans now approve of Bush's job performance, up from Bush's all-time low approval rating of 39 percent in November and the president's best showing since March when it was 50 percent, ABC said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051220/pl_nm/bush_poll_dc

Bush Approval (cough,cough) ratings are up to (cough,cough) 47% :eek: (cough,cough) in latest ABC News poll.

Read it and weep here (http://abcnews.go.com/International/PollVault/story?id=1421748).


Back down again. Nothing seems to be helping. Oh my!

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares6.jpg

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares6.jpg
LMAO. Brad you're killing me.

Bush is at 47% which only gives me 11 more days to hit my 51% so I can mail my sneaker to Barry for his culinary delight.

Doesn't look like he will make number because we have the latest lie against the President being trumped up via the media. Carter and Clinton did the exact same thing and we were not even at War. Will that be widely reported? Don't hold your breath.

its reported alot, Bush will get to 51% its just the people that are told to hate him dont do there on research and just listen in to CNN which is hardcore lefties so they will never learn till you spread the word

its reported alot, Bush will get to 51% its just the people that are told to hate him dont do there on research and just listen in to CNN which is hardcore lefties so they will never learn till you spread the word

The Democrats are making SUCH a big strategic mistake by spending all this time, energy, and money attacking George W. Bush. Hasn't anyone told them yet that Bush isn't running in '08?

48% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm)

Only 10 more days to go. Will George let me down? Come on Dubya. You can do it?

Well well well. What do you know. Bush is at 50% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm) today.:eek:

Please, Please, Please, just one more point Please.:D

Why are you making such a bid deal of it Bryan. I was the one that said that there would be a 5% increase in the polls and my sentiments about BuSh if he just admitted his f*ck-ups in Iraq.

Why are you making such a bid deal of it Bryan. I was the one that said that there would be a 5% increase in the polls and my sentiments about BuSh if he just admitted his f*ck-ups in Iraq.

LOL barry, you're backtracking in advance of Bryan's victory.

Why are you making such a bid deal of it Bryan. I was the one that said that there would be a 5% increase in the polls and my sentiments about BuSh if he just admitted his f*ck-ups in Iraq.If you are going to point the blame, why don't you direct some of it to the Military planners in the Pentagon?

If you sat in a room of experts, experts in a field in which they have devoted their whole life, a life of developing skills and insights that no-one else in the world can match, you are telling me that if you were the President of the United States, you would not take the recommendations of these experts and implement their plan. You have a crystal ball or something? Come on, Monday morning quarterbacking is one thing, intentional misdirecting your emotions and opinions with the intention to gain politically is quite another.

Bottom line is we are winning the war that nobody else in the world felt needed to be fought. Bush is slowly being vindicated and will go down as one of the greatest Presidents when the history books are written for his vision and determination in the face of liberalism throughout the world to confront evil and bring peace and democracy to a larger portion of the world than any other President in our history. (Whew, long sentence. Almost ran out of breath.)

And I'll be happy to see Bush's poll numbers reach and maintain 'ONLY' 51%. That is all he needs to make me happy. To know that at least 51% of this Country is not F*cked up makes me a happy guy.:D

LOL barry, you're backtracking in advance of Bryan's victory.

Not really. Bryan will attest to my earlier statement about a 5% bump based of fessing up to using poor information. That was before you graced us with your presence.

That's all this little blip is. I hope it holds you 'til the impeachment.

If you are going to point the blame, why don't you direct some of it to the Military planners in the Pentagon?

Again, you seem to be avoiding the issue of who those military planners work for. The buck, in your company, stops at the top doesn't it? Why shouldn't the President be held responsible for using the poor information provided by his employees and appointees.

Why do you cut him slack you wouldn't give yourself?

Again, you seem to be avoiding the issue of who those military planners work for. The buck, in your company, stops at the top doesn't it? Why shouldn't the President be held responsible for using the poor information provided by his employees and appointees.

Why do you cut him slack you wouldn't give yourself?

You continue to blather on about Bush's f-ups in Iraq.

Care to list them? Personally, I don't know of anything in Iraq that he's f-ed up.

If you sat in a room of experts, experts in a field in which they have devoted their whole life, a life of developing skills and insights that no-one else in the world can match, you are telling me that if you were the President of the United States, you would not take the recommendations of these experts and implement their plan. You have a crystal ball or something?

He's got a fair point, Barry. I agree the President has ultimate responsibility, but its hard to blame him for things that no one could predict and decisions that were based on what multiple intelligence sources believed was accurate and correct.

I will agree with you that once the decision to go to war was made, the military planners bear some of the blame on any errors in executing the war. However, you have to look at those errors taking into account the fact that war is inherently an unpredictable business (the so-called "fog of war"). In the final analysis, you take the advice of the best experts that work for you and hope for the best. If mistakes are made in the execution, the military does an "after-action" analysis to figure out what went wrong and prevent it from happening again.

Duh, He picked those "military experts". He also had no clue as to the reaction of the Iraqi people. The ammo dumps weren't guarded and the county's vital treasures and treasuries were looted right under our noses. We didn't guard the pipelines or refineries. Was that poor intelligence or just lack of intelligence?

You guys cut GWB way too much slack while bashing Clinton about telling a lie about a BJ. How lame.

Just like Powell says, "Should have gotten a warrant" before spying on Americans. 48% and fading.

Just like Powell says, "Should have gotten a warrant" before spying on Americans. 48% and fading.
90% of America doesn't agree with Powell ~ the great new liberal ideologist.

Where did you get that number?

Ok..I have read these posts and a few things are evident

Bush is not doing well with the polls.

Anyone Bush recommends, gets the shaft.

60% of the posts here are anti-bush
30% of the posts here are pro-bush
10% of the posts have nothing to do with this thread

and I am 100% sure that Bush won't have to worry about this very soon. He will go on and get paid 1/4 Million dollars a year to sit on his butt and laugh at you guys for the rest of his life. I think the guy was brilliant to do this during his 2nd and final term in office. Politically what does he have to lose? With an America whose primary concern is to not offend anyone except the Christian point of view, why would he care what you guys think...you already don't care what he thinks.

Ok..I have read these posts and a few things are evident

Bush is not doing well with the polls.

Anyone Bush recommends, gets the shaft.

60% of the posts here are anti-bush
30% of the posts here are pro-bush
10% of the posts have nothing to do with this thread

and I am 100% sure that Bush won't have to worry about this very soon. He will go on and get paid 1/4 Million dollars a year to sit on his butt and laugh at you guys for the rest of his life. I think the guy was brilliant to do this during his 2nd and final term in office. Politically what does he have to lose? With an America whose primary concern is to not offend anyone except the Christian point of view, why would he care what you guys think...you already don't care what he thinks.

Well said, although I would like to mention one point: The salary of the President is $400K per year, which is a substantial pay cut for Bush, who used to own the Texas Rangers.

You guys cut GWB way too much slack while bashing Clinton about telling a lie about a BJ. How lame.


That's called hypocrisy Barry.... The Golden Calf can do no wrong. No matter what atrocities happen in the next two years, Bush has a 'free pass' for it already. You'll also notice, that any Republican that says anything that could be negative towards Bush, even slightly, will be labeled a traitor, liberal sympathizer, coward etc. etc.


BTW 48% today.

That's called hypocrisy Barry.... The Golden Calf can do no wrong. No matter what atrocities happen in the next two years, Bush has a 'free pass' for it already. You'll also notice, that any Republican that says anything that could be negative towards Bush, even slightly, will be labeled a traitor, liberal sympathizer, coward etc. etc.


BTW 48% today.

Ok, deville, once again your flawed logic begs the question:

WHAT ATROCITIES HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED?

The fact is that there haven't been any, unless you're talking about the stinging political defeats he's handed to the Dems and the terrorists.

Ok, deville, once again your flawed logic begs the question:

WHAT ATROCITIES HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED?

The fact is that there haven't been any, unless you're talking about the stinging political defeats he's handed to the Dems and the terrorists.

Ok Mr. Spock.

Lets not turn this thread into something else; we have countless posted and ongoing threads on Bush's mistakes. You're point of view is simple, Bush hasn't and doesn't make mistakes."The fact is that there haven't been any.." in reference to Bush. Other's disagree.
.................................................. .................................................. ....

But he's down to 47% according to Rasmussen today. I think Barry will prevail over Bryan on this issue.

I'm going to go on a limb here and predict two possible outcomes....

1) Bush hits 51% or over.... The Repugs here bully and yell louder and as you have said Fossten about this thread: "The whole point of this thread is for them to wrap the noose around their necks so later on we can gloat. Looks like they're playing into our hands."

2) Bush hits 49% or lower.... Bah, Rasmussen is flawed, who cares anyways what the American people think, Bush is doing a perfect job!


Did I mention 47% today?

Did I mention 47% today?

It's 47% because it takes months and sometimes years for people to get it.

Wham, wham, wham. Bush is spying on us. The NYT once again is on the wrong side of the issue and the media picks it up and runs with it. Americans want to be and feel secure. We understand that certain 'things' have to be done in order for that to occur. We understand that 'listening in' on people that want to hurt us, whether they are foreign or American is a necessary thing if we want to maintain our FREE society. The cost of freedom is NOT free although you wouldn't know that if liberals were in charge.

Just wait and see what happens when (and I saw when) the first dirty bomb goes off. People will freak and go running for cover and the left and the media in this country will start pointing fingers everywhere but at themselves.

Those of us on the right have been screaming about the hypocrisy demonstrated by the left and the media in this country. We are horse from screaming. We will have to take another hit unfortunately for another 5-10% to learn that we are in a long-term war for our survival.

I follow Rasmussen because he has demonstrated to me that his methodology when it comes to polling is the most accurate. I am glad some of you are following him.

Do you really think that Bush wouldn't have hit the magical 51% if not for the NYT story, which btw, I hope people fry for in revealing classified information?

Do you really think that Bush wouldn't have hit the magical 51% if not for the NYT story, which btw, I hope people fry for in revealing classified information?

I'm not entirely convinced that story was the only thing holding him back from 51%, according to another thread, 64% of America is for legalized spying on Americans, so the majority are favorable towards Bush in this respect. So 'F' it, lets spy, I'll be funny when this becomes a gateway for the removal of other freedoms and rights we hold dear in America and the Repugs start crying foul.

I think he has pissed off to many people Left & Right to ever achieve a favorable rating. But in reality, who cares, he doesn't, he'll be the President for the next two years and he'll keep doing what's he's been doing. I just hope when he finally gets off the pot, he doesn't flush America down the crapper.

In about 72 hours it'll be 2006, we'll have a fresh new year to look forward to. Happy New Years!

I'm not entirely convinced that story was the only thing holding him back from 51%, according to another thread, 64% of America is for legalized spying on Americans, so the majority are favorable towards Bush in this respect. So 'F' it, lets spy, I'll be funny when this becomes a gateway for the removal of other freedoms and rights we hold dear in America and the Repugs start crying foul.

I think he has pissed off to many people Left & Right to ever achieve a favorable rating. But in reality, who cares, he doesn't, he'll be the President for the next two years and he'll keep doing what's he's been doing. I just hope when he finally gets off the pot, he doesn't flush America down the crapper.

In about 72 hours it'll be 2006, we'll have a fresh new year to look forward to. Happy New Years!

I can't let you get away with your foul misrepresentation of Americans in general and a poll in particular. Here's the link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/NSA.htm

Americans aren't for "legalized spying on Americans" as you so blatantly mischaracterized. Americans are for intercepting phone calls between SUSPECTED TERRORISTS and people in the US. Americans are for the President having the authority to keep us safe. Americans are for preventing the next 9/11, which event you've obviously forgotten about. If you're an American, and Al Qaeda has your private phone number and is calling you, you SHOULD BE SPIED ON.

You've twisted intercepting phone calls into some sort of connotation that implies that somebody's looking over everybody's shoulder, secretly watching them take out the garbage. That's ridiculous.

I guess you'd rather just let the terrorists make any phone call they want into the US so they can set up the next big hit on us. Fine. But at least we know who to blame the next time it happens. YOUR Dem leaders and the New York Times are for keeping us less safe. If you're smart, you'd avoid being identified with those traitorous talking points.

I can't let you get away with your foul misrepresentation of Americans in general and a poll in particular. Here's the link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/NSA.htm

Americans aren't for "legalized spying on Americans" as you so blatantly mischaracterized. Americans are for intercepting phone calls between SUSPECTED TERRORISTS and people in the US. Americans are for the President having the authority to keep us safe. Americans are for preventing the next 9/11, which event you've obviously forgotten about. If you're an American, and Al Qaeda has your private phone number and is calling you, you SHOULD BE SPIED ON.

You've twisted intercepting phone calls into some sort of connotation that implies that somebody's looking over everybody's shoulder, secretly watching them take out the garbage. That's ridiculous.

I guess you'd rather just let the terrorists make any phone call they want into the US so they can set up the next big hit on us. Fine. But at least we know who to blame the next time it happens. YOUR Dem leaders and the New York Times are for keeping us less safe. If you're smart, you'd avoid being identified with those traitorous talking points.

All you basically said was what I said 'Legalized spying on Americans'. I don't see where we clash here. As far as spying on known terrorist, I'm all for that, the only problem I see, how many 'technical glitches' will we have while we look for the right calls and how many people will abuse this power for their own personal agenda, not having anything to do with protecting America?

All you basically said was what I said 'Legalized spying on Americans'. I don't see where we clash here. As far as spying on known terrorist, I'm all for that, the only problem I see, how many 'technical glitches' will we have while we look for the right calls and how many people will abuse this power for their own personal agenda, not having anything to do with protecting America?

So far, there are no examples of this in the 4 years the Patriot Act has been in force. Of course that's not proof it will not happen, but I believe that wiretapping and spying in accordance with the Patriot Act are not going to result in a Nixonian type of spying on political enemies or other Americans.

I think our Democrat friends will pay dearly for not supporting renewal of the Patriot Act. In a few months, I'm sure we'll see Republican ads where Harry Reid said "We killed the Patriot Act". Security is the number one issue these days, and the Dems are not in the game. The Democrats are going to get into trouble if they keep criticizing the President's efforts to keep the country secure.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051228-122207-1549r.htm

How would you like your crow prepared Bryan? From Rassmussen today:

Saturday December 31, 2005--On the last morning of 2005, forty-seven (47%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.

How would you like your crow prepared Bryan?

I had predicted he would make 51%. He got close but couldn't get over the top because of the NYT b.s. I guess my life is over. I should have known I can't beat the left all by myself. Oh whoa is me. I will post this paragraph over on the Bush poll thread to admit my defeat.

And responded to you here on this thread.
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?p=146659#post146659

I think you need to go thru every political post and add your "How would you like your crow prepared Bryan?" comment. It is obvious you feel it will add to the viewing pleasures of the others that frequent this forum. Have at it.

No new NYT article to blame. Rasmussen has BuSh job approval rating at 46% on Jan 5, 2006.

President Bush Job Approval
Updated Daily by Noon Eastern

Bush Job Approval
Strongly Approve 23%
Somewhat Approve 22%
Somewhat Disapprove 17%
Strongly Disapprove 37%

Tuesday January 10, 2006--Forty-five (45%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.

Must be that pesky NYT article!

President Bush Job Approval
Updated Daily by Noon Eastern

Bush Job Approval
Strongly Approve 23%
Somewhat Approve 22%
Somewhat Disapprove 17%
Strongly Disapprove 37%

Tuesday January 10, 2006--Forty-five (45%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.

Must be that pesky NYT article!

Only way he's going to get 51%+ is if...

1) WMD's are found
2) Osama is captured/killed
3) The Iraqi elections are shown to have made a positive change
4) Iraq is able to run itself independently
5) A viable exit strategy is shown
6) US Troops start withdrawing


Basically the things this administration has promised the American people.

President Bush Job Approval
Updated Daily by Noon Eastern

Bush Job Approval
Strongly Approve 23%
Somewhat Approve 22%
Somewhat Disapprove 17%
Strongly Disapprove 37%

Tuesday January 10, 2006--Forty-five (45%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.

Must be that pesky NYT article!

Only way he's going to get 51%+ is if...

1) WMD's are found
2) Osama is captured/killed
3) The Iraqi elections are shown to have made a positive change
4) Iraq is able to run itself independently as a Democracy
5) A viable exit strategy is shown
6) US troops start withdrawing


Basically the things this administration has promised the American people.

What is there to approve of?

What is there to approve of?
Theae is not much to approve of with GWB, Rich!!!!

January 11th, 2006

GWB is now down to 44% approval on Bryan's favorite poll. Go George!

How low can he go?

January 11th, 2006

GWB is now down to 44% approval on Bryan's favorite poll. Go George!

How low can he go?

Repub Answer = As low as the biased liberal media will take him in their lies.

"The President earns approval from 75% of Republicans,"

Wow, down 5% in two weeks. Erosion at the base is what brings down great edifaces.

Thursday January 12, 2006--Forty-three (43%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. That's down three points from a week ago and is the President's lowest rating in over a month. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.

Dropping like a rock!

A bump in the numbers!

Sunday January 15, 2006--Forty-five (45%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

The President earns approval from 47% of men, 43% of women, 53% of married Americans and 32% of those who are not married.

Forty-four percent (44%) of Americans now believe that the U.S. and its allies are winning the War on Terror. That's down from 50% immediately following the President's December 18 speech.

BTW Bryan,

I went back and looked at the first post of this thread and it said nothing about reaching 51% by New Years. Another load of BS. Twisting the facts around the truth is becoming a habit with you guys. What predictions you made in the first post have come true? I don't see any troops coming home. More people in Iraq are dying by the insurgency even though they had elections. The GOP is embroiled in yet another scandal. You really think the GOP will maintain control in 2006? It's looking pretty doubtful.

Pretty quiet in here. You could hear a pin drop.

BTW Bryan,

I went back and looked at the first post of this thread and it said nothing about reaching 51% by New Years.

You're right! But you could always try re-reading posts 109, 112, and 113 of this thread for a refresher course!:D

Or did I use my evil mod powers to construct those replies after the fact?

Pretty quiet in here. You could hear a pin drop.

That's because your posts in this thread are beating a dead horse and nobody cares.

I know all our lefties here LOVED to watch Bush sink in the polls. Every day there was a new poll (skewed), with new poll numbers showing Bush in the dumper.

So I thought I would sticky this (See Barry, you are finally right. I am using admin status to bully) so as to inflict as much mental anguish upon you as possible. Again, the ONLY poll I watch is Rasmussen. The most consistent and accurate polling company out there.

Today Bush is at 46%. Up 3 points in a week.

Some more things to happen.

Some truth about Iraq will come out that things are going well with the new Iraq government and US troop levels will start to drop in January after the new government is voted in in December.

The MSM press will be forced to 'reveal' that the US economy is doing surprisingly well despite the impact of the hurricanes.

Rove won't be indicted and he will lead Republicans to victory in '06. (Hard to believe, but when people finally realize how long they had the wool pulled over their eyes, they will be pissed at the Dems for it.)

Gas will continue to drop over the winter although people are going to be plenty pissed about natural gas.

Bush is finally fighting back and even quoted the mental midget John Kerry yesterday saying Iraq needed to be attacked because they were imminently dangerous.

Some WMD will turn up in Syria.

Jordanians will lead a revolt against Al-Qaeda.

Stock Market will continue its bull run.

It will be revealed the Bush economic run is longer and better sustained than the Clinton one.

Interest rates will remain (reasonably) in check.

And liberals will be exposed for the hypocrites they are.
Fantastic new book out on Barbra Streisand and Michael Moron revealing their absurd hypocrisy. Book is entitled (appropriately): Do as I say, not as I do.

In the book Barbra is shown preaching about conservation yet it is revealed her water bill is $22,000 month. Michael Moore preaches diversity in hiring yet he has only 'hired' 3 minorities in over 120 recent hires. He even says he doesn't own a share of "big money", you know, stocks, when it is revealed that he owns, get this, Halliburton. 1st time I had pissed in my pants since I was in diapers. LOL. And much much more.

Bryan obviously cared when he made this a sticky. I think that if you reread you read this and subsequent boasting posts by Bryan you'll see who is truely "owned".

OK, David. The homespun RWW make it a sticky because its really important to him in 2005 but it's no longer an issue in 2006. Can you say Flip-Flop!

Bryan obviously cared when he made this a sticky. I think that if you reread you read this and subsequent boasting posts by Bryan you'll see who is truely "owned".I see you didn't respond to my last post. I was hoping (but not counting on) a little apology.:(

OK, David. The homespun RWW make it a sticky because its really important to him in 2005 but it's no longer an issue in 2006. Can you say Flip-Flop!:Bang :Bang :Bang

It was fun to see how Bush would wind up the year. That was it. But now I am going to use my Mad Mod powers to leave this sticky up until the end of Bush's term. Happy?


Sorry guys. Punish the messenger, not the mesage.

Released: January 15, 2006

Bush job approval dips again to 39%

New Zogby Survey shows Iraq a Partisan War
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1056
In the face of rising gas prices, partisan sniping over Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito, and a resumption of insurgent violence in Iraq, President Bush’s job approval rating has slipped into a post-holiday funk, again dipping below 40%, a new telephone poll by Zogby International shows.

His approval rating almost mirrors the percentage of respondents (40%) who said the nation overall is headed in the right direction.

The deterioration in the President’s numbers appears to be the result of eroding support among the investor class and others who supported him in his 2004 re-election bid, said Pollster John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International. And the problem is the Iraq war – just 34% of respondents said Mr. Bush was doing a good or excellent job managing the war, down from 38% approval in a Zogby poll taken in mid-October.

Bush’s overall job approval rating in that poll was at 46%.

Among investors, Bush’s support for managing the war dropped five points since October, from 45% to 40%, Zogby data shows. But Zogby said the glaring split between how Republicans, Democrats and independents think the President is handling Iraq is remarkable.

“The numbers in support for the war in Iraq are extremely low among Democrats and independents,” Zogby said. “This is a partisan war.”

While 61% of Republicans said he was doing a good job managing the war (down from 70% in October), just 11% of Democrats and 28% of independents gave him good marks in that area. Among Democrats, 71% said Bush was doing a “poor” job with the war, while 17% said he was doing only a “fair” job.

Among men, 36% said the President was handling the war well, while 31% of women agreed.

Bush has retained a base of support for his handling of the broader war on terror, as 46% said he is doing a good job, down just one percent since October. His management of the war on terror had been a consistently bright spot for the President since the aftermath of the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, before dipping below 50% last year.

However, half of those surveyed said they feel safer with Bush as President, compared to 38% who said they feel less safe.

Respondents rated the war in Iraq and the war on terror as the two top issues facing America. Jobs and the economy were also important, they said, with health care coming in a distant fourth, followed by concern over gas and fuel prices.

wow, phil, what a readable post.

:rolleyes:

However, half of those surveyed said they feel safer with Bush as President, compared to 38% who said they feel less safe.

Respondents rated the war in Iraq and the war on terror as the two top issues facing America.

This is all one needs to read about this or any other poll.

Americans want to be and feel safe. Democrats can't be trusted with that task. End of story.

Read 'em and weep, David.

Bryan,

Please review post #27, 45, 47, 51, 68, 92, 104, 109, 116*, 130 & 136 and then tell me if you think you deserve an apology.

*I found #116 a particularly telling post about your diversionary tactics.

Tuesday January 17, 2006--Forty-four (44%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. The President's Approval Rating has not risen above 45% for a full week.

Thursday January 19, 2006--Forty-six percent (46%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

Friday January 20, 2006--Forty-five percent (45%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove

President Bush Job Approval
Updated Daily by Noon Eastern

Bush Job Approval
Strongly Approve 22%
Somewhat Approve 23%
Somewhat Disapprove 15%
Strongly Disapprove 38%

Monday January 23, 2006--Forty-five percent (45%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.

Tuesday January 24, 2006--Forty-four percent (44%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.

The President earns approval from 76% of Republicans, 20% of Democrats, and 34% of those not affiliated with either major political party.

The real important number is the 76% of Republicans approving of GWB. Down from 80%. The base appears to be slipping. I wonder why?

Still at 44%. What could be wrong?

Still at 44%. What could be wrong?

Has the NY Times released another crushing but false article by chance?

This is why and how.


Networks Paint Bush Economy As Bleak No Matter What The Facts Really Say.

Media’s bad news bears deliver negative news 62 percent of the time despite economic expansion.

By Amy Menefee
August 17, 2005

Economic news heavily negative: Coverage of economic news on the three broadcast networks was negative 62 percent of the time, despite ongoing good news of more jobs, low unemployment and economic growth.

Good news undermined: Even when good news made it to viewers, journalists undermined it with bad news 45 percent of the time.

Negative stories given more air time: Good news stories were relegated to briefs roughly two thirds of the time. Negative news received longer stories and outnumbered positive stories by almost 4-to-1 in that category.

[snip]

So, it's MSM that makes BuSh suck as President?

So, it's MSM that makes BuSh suck as President?

Geez, barry, sometimes I think you know how to read, and then sometimes...

It's the MSM that attempts to make everything Bush does look like it sucks, even when it doesn't.

I can see that you really aren't interested in debating, only in haranguing.

Boring.

:sleep:

I'm saddened to hear that you are bored. It's nice to hear you admit that everything BuSh does looks like it sucks.

So, it's MSM that makes BuSh suck as President?No. It's the MSM that MAKES [read~brainwashes thru disinformation] you THINK that Bush sucks.

I see.

I see. Now don't you feel better? The truth shall set you free.

Come join those of us standing in the sunshine, basking in the glow that is God and all that is good. Have faith in your President to do the just and right thing, now and in the future. Keep the faith and may the Lord bless you and keep you and your family safe.

So, It's just big bad MSM that reports bad news? Now Rasmussen is MSM?

Consumer Index Loses Two to 107.7
Investor Index Falls Four to 127.9
Updated Daily by 9:00 AM Eastern
Rasmussen Consumer Index

Today 107.7
Yesterday 109.6
Week Ago 116.2