This was posted on another forum - I thought it to be interesting.


Dear Republican Party,

For several years we (loyal conservatives) have supported the Republican Party because of its promises to return our country to its prior greatness of limited government and numerous freedoms, most notably economic and educational.

You really captured our hearts in 1994 with your proclaimed Contract with America, which we in turn responded by overwhelmingly voting republicans into office. In case you have forgotten, in the Contract with America you promised to:

• FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
• SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
• THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
• FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
• FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
• SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
• SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
• EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Granted, there is opposition from the Democrat Party, and thus not all segments of your plan could be implemented, but some of your actions have been downright hostile to what you promised. Take for instance the first issue of making all laws apply to Congress as they do the public and explain to us how the new campaign-finance law does not violate this? It seems that we can no longer speak freely 60 days before an election, yet I do not remember the same constraints being put on members of Congress.

As for your second plank, who needs an independent auditing firm to audit Congress for waste when the waste is as blatantly obvious as it is today? Then again I guess that $200+ million dollar bridge to Gravina Island in Alaska to serve approximately 50 people is a good use of OUR hard earned dollars. I wonder if members of Congress would think the bridge was as necessary if they had to donate the money themselves? Then to top it all off, Tom DeLay comes out and proclaims victory, telling us that there is no waste left to cut from the budget. This is an absolute insult to our intelligence. It is safe assume that any attempt to instill zero baseline budgeting, thereby requiring agencies to figure out each year what they will need for the next rather then just adjusting upwards, has also been relocated to the trash heap of history. Well, so much for your eighth plank.

On a more positive note you did cut taxes, as miniscule as those cuts were. However, you still have not made those cuts permanent. Returning back to the Contract with America, you seemed to have abandoned any attempt to pass a law requiring a supermajority to raise taxes as you promised in your seventh plank. And thanks to the absolute insane spending that has occurred in recent years, any attempt to pass such a bill would now be futile.

Understandably, new needs emerge in our ever-changing world and sometimes issues that were important years ago need to take a back seat for the time being, but unlike the democrats the Republican Party rarely ever revisits them. For instance, what ever happened to the call to end the Department of Education and return control to the states? Are we to believe that increasing spending and national regulations will achieve that outcome? What about the spending for the arts, also once slated for elimination? Apparently, increasing spending on that program will achieve that result?

Speaking of new needs, how about our borders? It seems that no matter how hard the nation cries to have both the northern and southern borders secured, the GOP chooses to turn a deaf ear. Is it that the Republican Party is afraid that the will not capture the Hispanic vote if they do? Is that how one builds a party, by focusing on groups rather then ideas? Incidentally, if the GOP truly wants to make inroads to minority groups why not revisit the idea of school vouchers? This is an idea-based solution that does not focus so much on a group of people as it does the idea of freedom itself.

Repeatedly we have been told to support the Republican Party with phrases like “if we only get the White House” or “increase our numbers in Congress”, and my personal favorite “this election is too important”, because of the War on Terror or possibility of Supreme Court nominations. Well, the War on Terror would be more believable if the borders were actually closed. As for the Supreme Court, we were given a candidate, Harriet Miers, who had a suspect past at best concerning her compatibility with our beliefs, yet we were told to trust Bush on this nominee? Seriously, after never using his veto pen once and expanding government in a manner that would even make the likes of LBJ and FDR blush were we really supposed to go on trust?

We did not support the Republican Party so that we could get an arguably watered-down version of the democrats. And frankly, watered-down may be a courteous way of describing the GOP’s actions since the Contract with America. Unless the Republican Party wants to return to its long history of being the minority party it had better stop ignoring the promises that put it into the majority in the first place.

Sincerely,

Concerned Conservative

It is interesting , gives a person something to think about!!!!!

This was posted on another forum - I thought it to be interesting.

Could you please give us the bottom line, in your own words, please?

Joey, that quote encapsulates many of my frustrations with the GOP.

Good post.

Joey, that quote encapsulates many of my frustrations with the GOP. Good post.

That is the fault of Congress.

Vitas - you need to read it again. Whos is in Congress? The GOP has been in control of Congress for 11 years and that letter talks about all the failed promises since 1994.

Joey, that quote encapsulates many of my frustrations with the GOP.

Good post.


Thats why I posted it - It seemed to outlaw many frustrations factually without being partisian.

Vitas - you need to read it again. Whos is in Congress? The GOP has been in control of Congress for 11 years and that letter talks about all the failed promises since 1994.

Thats why I posted it - It seemed to outlaw many frustrations factually without being partisian.

Most of this is not the fault of either party, it is lobbyists buying both parties out, because of the way the system works. Change the system first.

Most of this is not the fault of either party, it is lobbyists buying both parties out, because of the way the system works. Change the system first.


Thats total BS. Who are the lobbists buying? The GOP primised all of the above, and have had control of Congress. Your telling me its not the GOPs fault cuz the lobbists bought them?

Huh???

Thats total BS..... Huh???

I've got better things to do. Bye, bye.

I've got better things to do. Bye, bye.
Translation..."I've been out-gunned. Defensive positions...where's my backup?"

Translation..."I've been out-gunned. Defensive positions...where's my backup?"



Exactly.....

Heh...don't expect me to come in here and back up an indefensible position...

I'm not thrilled with the total track record of the GOP for the last decade, but I do think we've turned a corner lately, with the nomination of Alito, the rising economy, and the $85 billion spending cut. I can only hope it continues.

Heh...don't expect me to come in here and back up an indefensible position...Why? That's what liberals do on a daily basis.

So the GOP isn't holding up to their contract with America? I just can't believe it...

I won't believe it because Joey posted the letter and Joey seems to be liberal. Therefore there is no credibility to it. Things are only credible if posted by a conservative or quoted from Fox news or media that is supported by conservatives. The rest are all liars!

God Bless America

And get rid of all the illegals and their bastard children while you're at it!

You are goddamn right and :q:q:q:q them all -

God Bless America - this is our country and we don't want them! God gave us this country! we kicked the :q:q:q:q out of the heathen natives that were here. It's our country.

To hell with France, Germany, and Russia, we can kick there ass too... Power to the GOP!!

You Liberal bastards get out of our country - might as well get rid of all of you too while we are at it.

One of the things that jumped out at me was the closing of the borders. Does anybody have the slightest clue as to the amount of resources required in closing the thousands of miles of borders in this country. We're not only talking
about land borders but every mile of coastline as well.

Do you want guard towers on Malibu Beach?

Do you want concrete walls and barbed wire along the Rio Grande?

How about Police checkpoints on major highways where you will have to prove your citizenship and loyalty?

Alot of times people are all to ready to attack something without really thinking about it. While politicians are more than happy to promise something that is wholly impossible. Ever since I have been working at Headquarters I have become privy to the immense amount of hoops you must jump through to get any "project" off the ground. There may be many reasons why these things have not happened. Don't be too quick to flip out because the promise wasn't fulfilled. But rather question the motive of the promise.

There may be many reasons why these things have not happened. Don't be too quick to flip out because the promise wasn't fulfilled. But rather question the motive of the promise.

Promises do sound good don't they!!

Very good comment Steve.

So the GOP isn't holding up to their contract with America? I just can't believe it...

I won't believe it because Joey posted the letter and Joey seems to be liberal. Therefore there is no credibility to it. Things are only credible if posted by a conservative or quoted from Fox news or media that is supported by conservatives. The rest are all liars!

God Bless America

Now, Rich, calm down. Everybody knows that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Good post Joey, very well written letter.

Just because you're a conservative doesn’t mean you will swallow the BS blindly forever it seems. Give's me some hope.

I've got better things to do. Bye, bye.


Dodger.....................

Its funny everyone thinks im a "Liberal".

Ive voted for Henry Hyde, now retiring, in every election I could. I voted for Pres Reagan. Judy Topinka (probably the next Republican Guberntrial candidate for Illinois) is actually an acquaintance and former customer of mine. (Shes a great lady)

But I also voted for Clinton twice, Blagoyavich (sp) and various other democrats.

SO - What am I?

And yes - im aware how much it would cost to police the borders. But im also concerned about terrorists just walking into this country from Mexico.

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Its funny everyone thinks im a "Liberal".-

If you have anything truly negative to say about Bush and his people, you're liberal.

And yes - im aware how much it would cost to police the borders. But im also concerned about terrorists just walking into this country from Mexico. -

Don't worry about the borders, the Bush admin has it covered. The men and women fighting and dieing in Iraq will keep the terrorist (since they are all in Iraq) from crossing over from Mexico, Canada or from either coast somehow.

Don't worry about the borders, the Bush admin has it covered. The men and women fighting and dieing in Iraq will keep the terrorist (since they are all in Iraq) from crossing over from Mexico, Canada or from either coast somehow.


Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot.

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Now, Rich, calm down. Everybody knows that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Being right two out of twenty-four times (8% accuracy) isn't very reassuring. But the current admin seems to follow your analogy.

Why? That's what liberals do on a daily basis.


See, now this is pure partisian.

No comment about the letter I notice. Why? Cause its all true and is indefensible?




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No comment about the letter I notice. Why? Cause its all true and is indefensible?Sorry. Sometimes I just don't have the time to pontificate and being 'pithy' is the next best thing.:N

See, now this is pure partisian.

No comment about the letter I notice. Why? Cause its all true and is indefensible?-

I asked you before...

Could you please give us the bottom line, in your own words, please?

I'll ask you again, what is it specifically that you are objecting to
about the 1994 "Contract with America?"

Thats total BS.

If that is the way you choose to respond to my opinion, you will soon have a nutcase Yahoo chatboard here. If that is what you want, that is what you will have...

I asked you before...



I'll ask you again, what is it specifically that you are objecting to
about the 1994 "Contract with America?"



If that is the way you choose to respond to my opinion, you will soon have a nutcase Yahoo chatboard here. If that is what you want, that is what you will have...

Vitas, he's NOT objecting to the contract with America. Geez. He's pointing out with a quoted article/excerpt that the current Republican party has strayed away from the commitments that they made back in 1994, and I agree with the quote.

When you quoted his opening statement in your first post on this thread, you encapsulated his bottom line. He said it clearly: He thought it would be interesting.

Stop insisting that he answer a question that is invalid. You're cluttering up this thread.

If that is the way you choose to respond to my opinion, you will soon have a nutcase Yahoo chatboard here. If that is what you want, that is what you will have...


You expressed no opinion.... And I thought you had better things to do...

You expressed no opinion.... And I thought you had better things to do...

What is the basis for your complaint?

CF:

No comment about the letter I notice. Why? Cause its all true and is indefensible?-

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You aint said nothing Vitas - Nothing at all of value.

I did notice that most of the right wingers have had little to say about the letter.

I brought up a point...but I'm used to being ignored...

...not inflammatory enough I guess

I brought up a point...but I'm used to being ignored...

...not inflammatory enough I guess


Yeah - it seems that if we dont let the right wingers divert the issue, they dont want to discuss anything, expecially when they dont have democrats to blame.

I responded to your point though steve. It would be very hard to seal the border, but what other options do we have to stop some terrorist from just walking into the use via the rio grande?

They don't just cross the rio grande.

We have a saying in the USAF. Force Protection is everyone's job! The best weapon against those who would do us ill are the eyes and ears of Joe citizen. That's where we need to start. Educating and informing the masses.

Americans need to start becoming a part of this fight. Not just sit around and wait for the government to come and wipe their a$$ for them.

Read my new post...

Well, the Government is best equipped to handle the issue. As a citizen my responsibility is to pay the taxes to pay for that force protection. I dont know that I want every Tom, Dick and Harry out on the border with their smith & wesson.

However, that doesnt mean it has to be military or INS only. Local and State governments need to be involved as well.




They don't just cross the rio grande.

We have a saying in the USAF. Force Protection is everyone's job! The best weapon against those who would do us ill are the eyes and ears of Joe citizen. That's where we need to start. Educating and informing the masses.

Americans need to start becoming a part of this fight. Not just sit around and wait for the government to come and wipe their a$$ for them.

Read my new post...

They don't just cross the rio grande.

We have a saying in the USAF. Force Protection is everyone's job! The best weapon against those who would do us ill are the eyes and ears of Joe citizen. That's where we need to start. Educating and informing the masses.

Americans need to start becoming a part of this fight. Not just sit around and wait for the government to come and wipe their a$$ for them.

Read my new post...

Yeah, but weren't the Minutemen told to stand down?

All because they were making the border patrol look bad.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050513-122032-5055r.htm

o.k. which leaves us with two questions:
is the opposition to the GOP often voiced here simply because of their lack of effectiveness? Reasonable complaint.

And here's the problem, do you think the DNC will do anything any better?
There is no reason to think so. Because they spent over 40 years digging the holes. Unfortunately, instead of filling the hole back up, too many of the GOP are just digging more slowly.

Great post Joey, I had almost forgot all those empty promises. I also vote based on how I feel about the candidate. not party affiliation. I did not like Gore or Kerry, so was I right to vote for Bush? well let's say being unemployed 6 months for the first time in 18 years has me wondering, but I really think that it would not matter who is sitting in the oval office so I don't blame Bush for that. NAFTA did not help either, and the reason I voted for Clinton is he claimed to be against it, Dole got my vote next time. they all make promises they will never keep. the whole system needs to be changed before my faith in it is restored.

Great post Joey, I had almost forgot all those empty promises. I also vote based on how I feel about the candidate. not party affiliation. I did not like Gore or Kerry, so was I right to vote for Bush? well let's say being unemployed 6 months for the first time in 18 years has me wondering, but I really think that it would not matter who is sitting in the oval office so I don't blame Bush for that. NAFTA did not help either, and the reason I voted for Clinton is he claimed to be against it, Dole got my vote next time. they all make promises they will never keep. the whole system needs to be changed before my faith in it is restored.

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First of all, I don't think the "author" of the first post is a conservative. Those items mentioned were address the first week the 104th congress was in session.

The Contract With America was remarkably successful. While everything didn't become law, everything in it was brought to a vote. Most everything passed the house, but some couldn't get through the Senate, or President Clinton vetoed it.

The Fiscal Responsibility Act

An amendment to the Constitution that would require a balanced budget, unless sanctioned by a 3/5 vote in both Houses of Congress (H.J.Res.1, passed by the US House 279-152, 1/4/95; rejected by the US Senate 65-35, 3/2/95), and provide the President with a line-item veto (H.R.2, passed by the US House 294-134, 2/6/95).


The Taking Back Our Streets Act

An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in-sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions (H.R.666, passed 289-142 2/8/95), death penalty provisions (H.R.729, passed 297-132 2/8/95), funding prison construction (H.R.667, passed 265-156 2/10/95, rc#117) and additional law enforcement (H.R.728, passed 238-192 2/14/95).

The Personal Responsibility Act

An act to cut spending for welfare programs by means of discouraging illegitimacy and teen pregnancy. This would be achieved by prohibiting welfare to mothers under 18 years of age, denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, and enacting a two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility. H.R.4, the Family Self-Sufficiency Act, included provisions giving food vouchers to unwed mothers under 18 in lieu of cash AFDC benefits, denying cash AFDC benefits for additional children to people on AFDC, requiring recipients to participate in work programs after 2 years on AFDC, complete termination of AFDC payments after five years, and suspending driver and professional licenses of people who fail to pay child support. H.R.4, passed by the US House 234-199, 3/23/95, and passed by the US Senate 87-12, 9/19/95.


The American Dream Restoration Act

An act to create a $500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief. H.R.1215, passed 246-188, 4/5/95.


The National Security Restoration Act

An act to prevent U.S. troops from serving under United Nations command unless the President determines its necessity for the purposes of national security, to cut US payments for UN peacekeeping operations, and to help establish guidelines for the voluntary integration of former Warsaw Pact nations into NATO. H.R.7, passed 241-181, 2/16/95.


The "Common Sense" Legal Reform Act

An act to institute "Loser pays" laws (H.R.988, passed 232-193, 3/7/95), limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to prevent what Republicans considered frivolous litigation (H.R.956, passed 265-161, 3/10/95). Another tort reform bill, the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act was enacted in 1995 when Congress overrode a veto by President Bill Clinton.


The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act

A package of measures to act as small business incentives: capital gains cuts and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages. Although this was listed as a single bill in the Contract, its provisions ultimately made it to the House Floor as four different bills:

* H.R.5, requiring Federal funding for state spending mandated by Congressional action, and estimated by the Congressional Budget Office to cost more than $50m per year, was passed 360-74, 2/1/95.

* H.R.450 required a moratorium on the implementation of Federal regulations until June 30th 1995, and was passed 276-146, 2/24/95.

* H.R.925 required Federal compensation to be paid to property owners when Federal Government actions reduced the value of the property by 20% of more, and was passed 277-148, 3/3/95.

* H.R.926, passed 415-14 on 3/1/95, required Federal agencies to provide a cost-benefit analysis on any regulation costing $50m or more annually, to be signed off on by the Office of Management and Budget, and permitted small businesses to sue that agency if they believed the aforementioned analysis was performed inadequately or incorrectly.



The Citizen Legislature Act

An amendment to the Constitution that would have imposed 12-year term limits on members of the US Congress (i.e. six terms for Representatives, two terms for Senators). H.J.Res.73 rejected by the US House 227-204 (a constitutional amendment requires a two-thirds majority not a simple majority), 3/29/95; RC #277.

Other sections of the Contract include a proposed Family Reinforcement Act (tax incentives for adoption, strengthening the powers of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, an elderly dependent care tax credit) and the Senior Citizens Fairness Act (raise the Social Security earnings limit, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

Most everything passed the house, but some couldn't get through the Senate, or President Clinton vetoed it.


And what has happened since Bush took office 5 years ago? How come the job wasnt finished if these great ideas were held up by democrats?

And what has happened since Bush took office 5 years ago? How come the job wasnt finished if these great ideas were held up by democrats?
They were held up by the Senate, and the President at the time.
Why haven't all of them been addressed? Because that takes politic will, and these politicians are afraid of the beating they'll take when the press misrepresents them.

In case you forgot, according to the Democrats and the media, old people and children were going to starve and die because of the Republicans. Old people would mix their medicine with dog food. And children would go to school hungry and sit in school buildings with holes in the roof, with their giant distended bellies.

But, answer my question:

Do all of you support the ideas proposed in the Contract With America.
If you do, then you're all Republicans.

And, you're probably like most of us conservatives, who ARE frustrated at the lack of progress on these issues.

You aint said nothing Vitas - Nothing at all of value.

I did notice that most of the right wingers have had little to say about the letter.


I have said more than you have. You copied someone else's opinion.

I was the first one to answer you with a short answer, which stands.

Edit: Nevermind. Not worth it.

They were held up by the Senate, and the President at the time.
Why haven't all of them been addressed? Because that takes politic will, and these politicians are afraid of the beating they'll take when the press misrepresents them.

SO what your saying is the 'Good Guys', the poor misunderstood and underdog republicans, despite having control of congress and white house, cant get the job done that they were elected on because the big bad democrats and liberal media will give them bad press and the people will respond negatively toward the republicans for fulfilling their election promises. So, instead, they build a $200 million dollar bridge in Alaska...



But, answer my question:

Do all of you support the ideas proposed in the Contract With America.
If you do, then you're all Republicans.

I agree with some, what bothers me most, after the all talk no acton part, is the numerous contridictions philosophically.

Lets support the death penalty but ban abortion;

Lets proclaim to want to get government off the people's backs (mainly by reducing taxes for the rich) but stand by idely while oil prices, and consequently the price of every consumer product increase considerably;

Lets use phrases like "The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act" which does little to directly increase jobs or increase wages, however gives the rich more wealth via the taxes paid mostly by middle america. All the while watch the same rich people outsource our jobs to China so they can make more money, all the while the Chinese use so much oil that it contributes significantly to increasing oil prices. Then I get to listen to Oil executives claim their entitled to the 26 billion in profits they made in 3 months time.

Its the contridictions that anger me the most. Its all BS.

Lets support the death penalty but ban abortion;

Let's kill the innocent child but save the adult murderer.


What's the difference between these two conflicting statements???

One has not chosen its own destiny. The other has.

SO what your saying is the 'Good Guys', the poor misunderstood and underdog republicans, despite having control of congress and white house, cant get the job done that they were elected on because the big bad democrats and liberal media will give them bad press and the people will respond negatively toward the republicans for fulfilling their election promises. So, instead, they build a $200 million dollar bridge in Alaska...

The $200 million dollar bridge to no-where is a good example of pork spending And the funding should be stopped. But that's hardly the biggest problem facing the federal government.

While pork barrel spending is a problem, the expansion of government and funding of federal programs is where most of the money is being wasted. And any attempt to reform or reduce the rate of growth of these problems is met with irrational levels of hostility from the left and the media.

"If Republicans only expanded the size of government by 5% a year, old people will die. They will have to chose between dog food and cheap medicine from Canada."

Right now, the big problem is that NO Democrats will support fiscal responsibility. And we have a handful of North Eastern and liberal Republicans who are blocking the process as well.

But, the challenge is, NO democrats support reduced government spending or limiting the growth of the federal government. So, to condemn the ineffectiveness of the GOP right now in getting things done is fair. But to do it and support the Democrats is foolish.

Republicans are considered successful when they shrink government and reduce government dependency.
The opposite holds true with the Democrat party. In order for them to retain power they need to expand the size and scope of the government. It's a political philosophy of making people dependent upon government. A depency so great, some of are terrifying someone will take their "entitlements" away. Look at the 90% vote in the inner-cities for additional evidence of this.



I agree with some, what bothers me most, after the all talk no acton part, is the numerous contridictions philosophically.

Lets support the death penalty but ban abortion;
There is nothing hypocritcal about this.
The destruction of innocent life has nothing in common with the punishment of the most vile and evil people in our society in the pursuit of justice. This is no moral equivalence in destroy innocent unborn life and a murderer. And to anticipate the next cliche response, there isn't even a biblical contradiction here, as some desperate lefties like to try to attempt. There is no biblical restriction of state execution, or "killing." MURDER is in violation of the 6th commandment, not the broad definition of killing.

Lets proclaim to want to get government off the people's backs (mainly by reducing taxes for the rich) but stand by idely while oil prices, and consequently the price of every consumer product increase considerably;
Where is the hypocracy here? You're creating examples that defeat your own argument. If you believe in free market systems, why would you interfere with the markets.

If gas prices go up because of limited supply, people will use less. As a result, prices will fall. It also encourages, through the use of the market place, the purchase of more efficient cars.

If you artificially reduce the prices, demand will either stay the same or increase, and that will result in a shortage. Where's the logic in this? While it might make a knee-jerk liberal feel good about it for one minute, in the long run, the policy is destructive.

Lets use phrases like "The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act" which does little to directly increase jobs or increase wages, however gives the rich more wealth via the taxes paid mostly by middle america. All the while watch the same rich people outsource our jobs to China so they can make more money, all the while the Chinese use so much oil that it contributes significantly to increasing oil prices. Then I get to listen to Oil executives claim their entitled to the 26 billion in profits they made in 3 months time.
You don't GIVE rich people more by lower taxes. You just STEAL less from them. "Poor" people don't employ anyone.

You're foolish implication is that by RAISING taxes on businesses, somehow that will result in more jobs being created? How could that possibly be? Please explain where you might have discovered that flawed economic school of thinking?

I'd address the rest of your comment, but it doesn't make any sense. China and Oil prices have nothing to do with the Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act.

But regardless, there's no hypocracy here. In fact it's very consistant with supply-side economics. Though given your limited understanding of economics, I'll probably have to explain what that is too.

Its the contridictions that anger me the most. Its all BS.
No, it's not all BS

But your talking points are.

I agree with some, what bothers me most, after the all talk no acton part, is the numerous contridictions philosophically.

Lets support the death penalty but ban abortion;

Lets proclaim to want to get government off the people's backs (mainly by reducing taxes for the rich) but stand by idely while oil prices, and consequently the price of every consumer product increase considerably;

Lets use phrases like "The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act" which does little to directly increase jobs or increase wages, however gives the rich more wealth via the taxes paid mostly by middle america. All the while watch the same rich people outsource our jobs to China so they can make more money, all the while the Chinese use so much oil that it contributes significantly to increasing oil prices. Then I get to listen to Oil executives claim their entitled to the 26 billion in profits they made in 3 months time.

Its the contridictions that anger me the most. Its all BS.

Wait a minute, Joey, you just contradicted yourself. As far as abortion/death penalty, if you are pro-abortion but anti-death penalty, isn't that a contradiction in terms? I would find it hard to believe that you would be either pro-life and anti-death penalty, or pro-abortion and pro-death penalty.

Secondly, if China's contributing to the rise in oil prices, why are the prices going down? AND how could Exxon/Mobil be profiting from China buying oil directly from Saudi?

You need to answer these questions before you throw out the BS flag.

Its funny everyone thinks im a "Liberal".

Ive voted for Henry Hyde, now retiring, in every election I could. I voted for Pres Reagan. Judy Topinka (probably the next Republican Guberntrial candidate for Illinois) is actually an acquaintance and former customer of mine. (Shes a great lady)

But I also voted for Clinton twice, Blagoyavich (sp) and various other democrats.

SO - What am I?

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I think that, like most Americans, you're what they like to refer to as an "undecided voter" i.e. you don't blindly vote a party ticket. Register as an independent and let the big two know your disaffected with them, but stiil vote. They hate that.


RE Calabrio's sentiments that those who support the ideas presented in the Contract With America are automatically republicans. I'd like to know what those who don't believe congress should live subject to the same laws as us, conduct open committee meeting, or have honest accounting be called? Democrats? Liberals? Socialist? Nazis? And just what is it that liberals object to in the Ten Commandments anyway? Don't kill? Honor your parents? But that's an aside__________


"If you have anything truly negative to say about Bush and his people, your liberal" Oh boy! Just because you don't think Bush is the man all the time doesn't mean you'd ever vote for Hillary. Maybe this is why the democrats are so out of touch. The republicans have at least shown with this contract they know what Americans desire, they just don't care. Anything to get in office.

FreeFaller is right when he says it's not a cakewalk to seal thousands of miles of borders, but we can do a much better job than we are doing now and get rid of those found within the country illegaly. We were able to do it decades ago, we can do it again.

That is the fault of Congress.

Anybody want to play? With facts?