I love how i have been called a "safety nazi" on here because of all the criticism i have done about all the idiots on here talking about how fast their LS is and how and what they have "smoked" and "victims" and all that. And all everyone has to say is that its just "having fun" and all that. I also have stated about how here in Orlando there are accidents involving a**hole drivers everyday. Well yesterday two honda's (surprise) were racing, but only doing about 50-60 in a 40 mph zone weaving and speeding. A woman stepped out into the street and BOTH cars hit her and now both drivers are sitting in a nice new concrete house. So, why would I mention this on here ? Because about 85% of the postee's on here talk about mods and racing(especially honda's) and all that crap. And they all seem to think that the racing they are doing is harmless and just showing what their LS can do, but that could have been any one of you showing that honda what your LS can do. None of this is to try and change anyones driving habits, but atleast realize that when you post that kind of stuff, like FILMING you driving stupid, your just labeling yourself as an a**hole. Save that crap for your co-workers at the call center or cellphone store or whatever you do. If society is lucky enough you'll wrap your car around a tree before you end up hurting an innocent driver or pedestrian on public roads. Thanks

I agree with you to some degree (the low SL road racing). However this forum was built for these types of discussions (mods, racing, etc.). What would we all talk about here if we weren't talking about modding or racing or whatever? An admin can jump in and correct me here but I was under the impression that's what people did on car enthusiast forums. Maybe people who aren't into modding their cars or whatnot could find new websites and/or forums to visit. I don't understand why people would continue to frequent a website where all the content angers them. And I don't understand why 2 or 3 people keep coming to a forum designed to talk about modding an LS and what not and keep saying "don't mod your LS". Maybe these guys should start a new website for LS owners but all anyone's allowed to talk about is baking, politics, and what brand wax is better. Then once a year they can all get together and have a group hug.

I agree with you to some degree (the low SL road racing). However this forum was built for these types of discussions (mods, racing, etc.). What would we all talk about here if we weren't talking about modding or racing or whatever? An admin can jump in and correct me here but I was under the impression that's what people did on car enthusiast forums. Maybe people who aren't into modding their cars or whatnot could find new websites and/or forums to visit. I don't understand why people would continue to frequent a website where all the content angers them. And I don't understand why 2 or 3 people keep coming to a forum designed to talk about modding an LS and what not and keep saying "don't mod your LS". Maybe these guys should start a new website for LS owners but all anyone's allowed to talk about is baking, politics, and what brand wax is better. Then once a year they can all get together and have a group hug.
Enthusiast doenst mean talking about "smoking" that Neon or Honda does it ? Maybe i am in the wrong place. I thought this was a forum of Lincoln/LS owners who like their car and share knowledge, like fixing stuff. I am not against modding the LS, i just last weekend did the cut out on my airbox. But i didnt do it to beat some damn Honda that keeps provoking a race. Its the people that dont get "luxury vehicle" and try to turn the LS into some racer. With that accident that i was referring to the news interviewed some "street racers" and they said that when someone revs their engine at them "Its On". I mean please. Raise your hand to me and i'll beat you down, but i'd think i am a bigger man than getting worked up over some idiot kid revving his 4-banger. But like i said, when you mention smoking some car or racing you only make yourself look like the a**hole that you are. Thats all. Talk some common sense and help people in this forum.

so you have the v6 or v8? I don't ever have to worry about the guy next to me thinking I want to race. Damn drive by wire throttle won't let me rev past 3K.

Or maybe they should talk about how to upgrade the cupholders in their LSs.

I agree with you to some degree (the low SL road racing). However this forum was built for these types of discussions (mods, racing, etc.). What would we all talk about here if we weren't talking about modding or racing or whatever? An admin can jump in and correct me here but I was under the impression that's what people did on car enthusiast forums. Maybe people who aren't into modding their cars or whatnot could find new websites and/or forums to visit. I don't understand why people would continue to frequent a website where all the content angers them. And I don't understand why 2 or 3 people keep coming to a forum designed to talk about modding an LS and what not and keep saying "don't mod your LS". Maybe these guys should start a new website for LS owners but all anyone's allowed to talk about is baking, politics, and what brand wax is better. Then once a year they can all get together and have a group hug.

There are plenty of threads here where people are talking about fixing their cars, adding modifications, and more that don't talk about "smoking a honda".

There are plenty of threads here where people are talking about fixing their cars, adding modifications, and more that don't talk about "smoking a honda".
Thats 100% true. And thats why i started with this forum. Its the few that do talk about smoking cars thats really really stupid.

"Or maybe they should talk about how to upgrade the cupholders in their LSs."

I'd rather read that than some video of 100+ mph stupid driving or an arguement over beating a Neon SRT-4.

I think the problem is that there are too many young kiddies on this board (17-25) and are still immature with respect to driving habits and courtesy. I think they probably picked up a used LS for cheap (note how most have lease return 00-02 models), and now want to race their friends with Hondas and Acuras.

Also, I'm personally offended by people who use the term "ricer". It reminds me of "jap" when describing a person of Asian heritage. We need a bit more consideration of other people here.

YOU think it's stupid, but others may not. Everything is relative. You drilled your airbox, my mom and the guys at the dealership would say that's stupid. It's just a matter of opinion really. Heck, a lot of people think its stupid to buy an American car. I get comments like that all the time. Those people don't visit this forum. All I'm saying is: Enjoy LVC for what it has. I'm sure every single person on this board has read a thread they don't agree with or they don't like. If we liked all the same things and agreed with every thread there would be no point to having this website. If the racers tick you off, don't read what they have to say, just ignore them. It's not worth getting upset over. If they are egregious racers on public roads, they will be taken care of by the police. We are here to have fun, don't forget!


"Thats 100% true. And thats why i started with this forum. Its the few that do talk about smoking cars thats really really stupid.

"Or maybe they should talk about how to upgrade the cupholders in their LSs."

I'd rather read that than some video of 100+ mph stupid driving or an arguement over beating a Neon SRT-4"

I think the problem is that there are too many young kiddies on this board (17-25) and are still immature with respect to driving habits and courtesy. I think they probably picked up a used LS for cheap (note how most have lease return 00-02 models), and now want to race their friends with Hondas and Acuras.

Also, I'm personally offended by people who use the term "ricer". It reminds me of "jap" when describing a person of Asian heritage. We need a bit more consideration of other people here.

Very well stated, and as a 30 yr old professional i agree 100%. Way too many kids with a $10/hr job buying a LS.
As far as ricer goes, i think thats more relation to the brand being "foriegn" and being cheaply moddified than any particular ethnicity of a driver. Most drivers of these "ricers" are punk white boys anyway.

I think the problem is that there are too many young kiddies on this board (17-25) and are still immature with respect to driving habits and courtesy. I think they probably picked up a used LS for cheap (note how most have lease return 00-02 models), and now want to race their friends with Hondas and Acuras.

Also, I'm personally offended by people who use the term "ricer". It reminds me of "jap" when describing a person of Asian heritage. We need a bit more consideration of other people here.

First off what you just said was very hipocritical. you say we label ricers as asian people and that offensive. then b4 that you say how all 17-25 year olds are immature and get theire ls for cheap. well im 22 not immaute, i didnt know 16k was that cheap these days. i work 40+ hrs a week and have many bills to pay for. i dont ask my parents for a dime nor would i take a dime from them. its kinda mess up that "some" of the "elders" on here can sit there and dog all us younger people when they were once in our position. stop putting all young drivers in one group and saying the reason why we have these cars is because we got em cheap. you guys have no clue what we do or who we are. try just try to remember when you were a kid (17-25) and then ask yourself if you ever raced or if all your cars were cheap to you. just very hipocritical. and just my .02 cents.

Very well stated, and as a 30 yr old professional i agree 100%. Way too many kids with a $10/hr job buying a LS.
As far as ricer goes, i think thats more relation to the brand being "foriegn" and being cheaply moddified than any particular ethnicity of a driver. Most drivers of these "ricers" are punk white boys anyway.

To my knowledge nobody in here is dumb enough to weave in and out of traffic racing people at high rates of speed in residential areas. People here, although rarely, race on highways. Most of the stuff on here is about modifications: appearance and performance. I'd say a very small percentage is about racing. Just because you saw one or two posts about racing someone and saw something you didn't like, don't stereotype the rest of us.

I think the problem is that there are too many young kiddies on this board (17-25) and are still immature with respect to driving habits and courtesy. I think they probably picked up a used LS for cheap (note how most have lease return 00-02 models), and now want to race their friends with Hondas and Acuras.

Also, I'm personally offended by people who use the term "ricer". It reminds me of "jap" when describing a person of Asian heritage. We need a bit more consideration of other people here.

As far a I know the term "jap" isn't derogatory. It plainly means they are from Japan, and shortens the term instead of saying a Japanese person. Saying the term "jap" is bad, is actually making it worse than it is. It isn't bad, it never was bad. Now people should focus on things like "wop" which is an acronym for with-out papers, which refers to Ellis Island. People take offense to way too many things, which is why the "race card" is pulled out so often, and why there is racism and racial segregation. For example, my roomate is black and in the MLK Program at school. There was a joke about white people and alcoholism on the show Family Guy. We both laughed. The next joke we saw about race was in the same show, but a joke about black people and chicken. He shook his head and said that's so wrong. So in context, it's bad to think of black people and chicken, but it is ok to laugh at something as serious as alcoholism in white people? Yes, stereotyping is bad. I'm not saying a certain race contributes to anything certain, but a lot of people need to stop feeling so oppressed by certain jokes and statements. Of course, there are jokes that do cross the line, but in general, lighten up.

wow is this thread on the uptite side
full out racing belonges on the track
ricer is a term for a car not a person
and its ok to talk about mods and racing cause we dont live in a comunust state
thats just an opinion though and your all wellcome to disagree

I don't see why some of you are so pissed off at younger people buying an LS. Seriously, how does it affect you? It doesn't. And street racing isn't done by just kids, or males, it's done by many people.

I'm 22, I paid $28k for my LS, and the only time I race it is at the track on street night. There are many other "kiddies" on here in similar situations, and many "30 year old professionals" that may drive worse than teenagers.

Racing on the street is stupid and dangerous. In additional to racing a BMW on race tracks, I instruct at BMW CCA driving schools at race tracks. Instructing others how to drive fast on race tracks makes you realize how incompetent the average driver is when it comes to car control, etc. It's dangerous enough to drive fast on public roads with no other cars involved other than yours, and it is downright insane to race against someone who probably is an accident waiting to happen. Those of you who think your LS is so fast should try driving at an open track event against drivers who have a clue what they are doing. I think you will find it very humbling!

As far a I know the term "jap" isn't derogatory......as a member of that ethnic group, I can assure you, it is. But FWIW, I don't find the term "ricer" a big deal. I used to refer to my Honda Interceptor back in the 80's as my rice rocket, so to be offended by the term ricer would be pretty hypocritical. Come to think of it, I was probably a ricer before the term even came into common use--back in my college days I had a 1977 Mazda RX-3 with a half-bridge port 13B rotary in it that ran 13.70's and topped out around 140.

...as a member of that ethnic group, I can assure you, it is. But FWIW, I don't find the term "ricer" a big deal. I used to refer to my Honda Interceptor back in the 80's as my rice rocket, so to be offended by the term ricer would be pretty hypocritical. Come to think of it, I was probably a ricer before the term even came into common use--back in my college days I had a 1977 Mazda RX-3 with a half-bridge port 13B rotary in it that ran 13.70's and topped out around 140.
There's no derogatory meaning to that name whatsoever, So I'd have to ask you to lighten up. Do African American people get offended when you call them black? Do Caucasian people get offended when you call them white? No, so obviously shortening a name of an ethnic group isn't racist. People really need to understand the point of the name, it's not an insult.

I don't see why some of you are so pissed off at younger people buying an LS. Seriously, how does it affect you? It doesn't.

Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous.

Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous.

The only one word I can use to sum up your post, is wrong. The LS was intended for younger buyers. This is where the tuned suspension was introduced, same with the near 50/50 weight distribution and the SST. Anyone else?

There is nothing wrong with street racing in my oppinion, as long as you keep your wits about you and do it someplace "safe" like some back road that 5 cars a day go down with a clear l.o.s.. But racing in traffic and in town is just plain old STUPID

Very well stated, and as a 30 yr old professional i agree 100%. Way too many kids with a $10/hr job buying a LS.
As far as ricer goes, i think thats more relation to the brand being "foriegn" and being cheaply moddified than any particular ethnicity of a driver. Most drivers of these "ricers" are punk white boys anyway.

I make $10/hour and I bought a LS. I am in my last semester at the University of Iowa and will soon be a "professional" just like you. Though, with you calling yourself a "professional," I am a bit surprised that you aren't as smart as you wish you were.

I would consider proofing your posts before you submit them as you spelled "foreign" and "modified" wrong. Also, it is "that's" and not "thats." I don't understand what your malfunction is. It is hard for me to follow what you are saying when you can not spell.

Tragic as the death of the woman you aforementioned, have you never heard of looking both ways before crossing the street? In the last few years here at the University, we have had 2 people run over and killed by motorists (pedestrian at-fault). Also, labeling people with names like a**hole and the like is not going to make anyone want to listen to you because you have taken a professional argument and made it childish and uneducated.

One last thing.........ricer is meant for the car and not the person as rooter stated.

Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous.


[ sarcasm ]Well I happen to think that when old people drive a nice sports car like the LS it cheapens it. We don't want other people thinking that a luxury sports car is only for grandmas and grandpas. [ /sarcasm]


Personally it sounds like you are jealous that young people can afford nice cars. And you also need to lighten up a little bit if it really bothers you what young people drive.

I make $10/hour and I bought a LS. I am in my last semester at the University of Iowa and will soon be a "professional" just like you. Though, with you calling yourself a "professional," I am a bit surprised that you aren't as smart as you wish you were.

I would consider proofing your posts before you submit them as you spelled "foreign" and "modified" wrong. Also, it is "that's" and not "thats." I don't understand what your malfunction is. It is hard for me to follow what you are saying when you can not spell.

Tragic as the death of the woman you aforementioned, have you never heard of looking both ways before crossing the street? In the last few years here at the University, we have had 2 people run over and killed by motorists (pedestrian at-fault). Also, labeling people with names like a**hole and the like is not going to make anyone want to listen to you because you have taken a professional argument and made it childish and uneducated.

One last thing.........ricer is meant for the car and not the person as rooter stated.

I agree. It's really not smart to come into a situation completely outnumbered, and we do have a lot of intelligent people on this site. When you start stereotyping and calling us a**holes and dumb, that's when problems arise.

[ sarcasm ]Well I happen to think that when old people drive a nice sports car like the LS it cheapens it. We don't want other people thinking that a luxury sports car is only for grandmas and grandpas. [ /sarcasm]


Personally it sounds like you are jealous that young people can afford nice cars. And you also need to lighten up a little bit if it really bothers you what young people drive.

If you think this is bad, never watch "My Sweet 16" or any other MTV production.
I'm only 18, and yes I have an LS. Am I evil, no. I agree with you Black03.

There's no derogatory meaning to that name whatsoever, So I'd have to ask you to lighten up. Do African American people get offended when you call them black? Do Caucasian people get offended when you call them white? No, so obviously shortening a name of an ethnic group isn't racist. People really need to understand the point of the name, it's not an insult.
Just because you say it isn't, or don't mean it to be, doesn't magically make it so. I grew up with it, so where do you get off defining what is derogatory to other people? To further your own analogy, the polite term would be asian. So you lighten up, as in gain enlightenment.

Hey fl are you talking about the wreck on silverstar cuz if you are you are wrong only one of the cars hit that lady! Yes they were speeding 58 in a 40-45 and it was early in the morning but what was that lady doing in the street?? I was working at the fire dept when that call went in! We could not figure out why she was in the street?? But never the less they need to go to jail because they caused an injury

Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous.

Oh... no wonder I kept getting stared at by others on the road when I was 16 years old driving a Navigator... (no aftermarket parts or used car buys for me, though... eww)

It's not "the kids'" fault your ceiling might very well be their floor. If it bothers you that much, I suggest buying a better car... say a 7 series BMW. :)

Just because you say it isn't, or don't mean it to be, doesn't magically make it so. I grew up with it, so where do you get off defining what is derogatory to other people? To further your own analogy, the polite term would be asian. So you lighten up, as in gain enlightenment.
I never said it was just me. There's a definition to each word, and I'm not the one that made it, you're just misinterpreting it. It's not a big deal, I'm not the one that needs to lighten up, I'm not offended. I don't even use the term, so don't make me out to be a bad guy. I'm just realistic. If you get offended by 3 letters there's a problem.

...ricer is meant for the car and not the person as rooter stated.Oh, okay. I drove a ricer back in college, then. :)

You know. The fact that anyone in this forum would dislike anyone else for being able to purchase a fine automobile at a young age like the LS is somewhat disheartening.

I myself am 29 years old and purchased my LS used. I am in the US Air Force and I am responsible for millions of dollars of equipment. As a matter of fact you couldn't do my current job outside of the military without a Masters degree and I don't get paid alot to do it. So a new LS was out of the question. Some of these "kids" worked very hard for the car they love...and if these "kids" are old enough to take a bullet for uncle sam then they are old enough to drive an LS.

Trying to place yourself on a higher plateu by labeling yourself as a "proffesional" and stating that young "kids" have no buisness driving this type of vehicle is unbelievably conceited.

Everybody at one time or another has opened up one of their vehicles in order to see what the ol' girl could do. Let's not be hypocrites.

Your main point was to instill in everyone a little bit of safety and to do a little risk asessment prior to getting on the gas pedal. In this respect you are correct. We need to realize that high speeds in densly populated areas is extremely hazardous. But I think you severly diluted your message with far too much uppity BS.

Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous.

so if you add aftermarket mods to YOUR car it cheapens it and says your immature. ok so id like you to PM quikls (lou) and tell him how you feel, or greyghost (ken) who makes all the aftermarket parts for the ls. oh lou has a hood scoop, how terrible and immature. he cheapens the market of the ls though. man your um :q:q:q:q creek with no paddle and a hole in your boat.

...There's a definition to each word, and I'm not the one that made it, you're just misinterpreting it... I'm misinterpreting it? Your ignorance on this particular matter is utterly profound. Go find a good dictionary and look it up.

I'm misinterpreting it? Your ignorance on this particular matter is utterly profound. Go find a good dictionary and look it up.

Even though it is off topic...I'm gonna respond to this sub-thread.

Jap and Jerry were derogotory terms used primarily by US military personnel during WWII. All derogotory terms have harmless beginnings but it is the context in which it is recieved which is the issue. Simply put those two aforementioned words are recieved poorly. Therefore we should respect persons of each heratige and refrain from their use.

No, it's old blue hair lady's that cheapen the LS.
I'm 21 bought the car for around 25K (my money). I have not recieved a speeding ticket yet since getting the LS last year.
\Anyways I think your sterotyping racing as the worst thing, it might very well be under certain circumstances. However every time you drive your at risk.
How about the people on cell phones. They always cut into my lane cuse they're to busy talking. Or how about people who go to slow, sit in the far right lane at below the speed limit and don't move. I think people like this and those who don't pay attention or are to "Stressed out" like some on this thread (lol) when driving cause a lot of risk ..WHere's the outrage.

So what I open up the throttle on HWy with no cars infront of me for atleast 5-10 car lengths....? So what I do spirting driving when it's 12Am and it's a back woods road with no oncoming traffic. Who am I gonna hurt other then maybe a myself and a dear? I minimize the risk. Compared to some A**hole drivers who don't pay any attention to the road I think I'm doing a lot better.

And too bad the old lady got killed...I really don't understand how it happened. This week I had an old lady decide to stop on the first lane of a 4 lane road. And just stand there!! As cars where coming at her! she didn't turn back she expected them to stop! And to top it off the light was 40ft away from where she was, why not cross there when she had the light!!! WTF old people?
I don't race on city streets.

However every time you drive your at risk.
How about the people on cell phones. They always cut into my lane cuse they're to busy talking. Or how about people who go to slow, sit in the far right lane at below the speed limit and don't move. I think people like this and those who don't pay attention or are to "Stressed out" like some on this thread (lol) when driving cause a lot of risk ..WHere's the outrage.
I don't particularly agree with the tone of some of the messages on this topic, but, in all fairness, the "outrage" isn't here because people aren't posting here bragging about driving while on the cell phone or driving slow in the passing lane.

then b4 that you say how all 17-25 year olds are immature and get theire ls for cheap. well im 22 not immaute, i didnt know 16k was that cheap these days.
Todd didn't say that all 17-25 year-olds are immature, just that we have a bunch of immature 17-25 year-olds in this forum (which, quite frankly, is true, though not limited by age; there are some incredibly immature people in this forum). Maturity has nothing to do with chronological age, but young adults are, on the whole, more immature than older adults, simply because they have no real life experience.

BTW, for those who don't know it, telling people how mature you are is a sure sign that you aren't...

I'm misinterpreting it? Your ignorance on this particular matter is utterly profound. Go find a good dictionary and look it up.

As Freefaller said, they all had harmless beginnings. I guess it could be used as derogatory if the user thinks the Ethnicity of the person is bad. Personally, I think the Japanese and Chinese civilizations, especially earlier, are amazing. So don't get me wrong, just when the word race pops up and someone makes an assumption I get fired up. I learned alot when I came to school as you can read in my previous post. I guess other people use words other ways, but what I'm trying to get across is I wouldn't use that word in a derogatory manner, let alone use the word. Sorry for any discrepancies. Arguing about something as dumb as what the orignal post was and something like this is hard to do at the same time.

I never said it was just me. There's a definition to each word, and I'm not the one that made it, you're just misinterpreting it. It's not a big deal, I'm not the one that needs to lighten up, I'm not offended. I don't even use the term, so don't make me out to be a bad guy. I'm just realistic. If you get offended by 3 letters there's a problem.
Jap is most assuredly a derogatory term, and it was intended to be when it came into usage during WWII.

Edit: That should say Jap is a derogatory term when applied to a person. When applied to an object (as in "Jap bike"), it's not necessarily derogatory.

If you think it isn't, go incorporate yourself a town and name it Jap. Then try to get it registered with the US Geological Survey; you'll discover that they won't put it on the map with that name.

I think the problem is that there are too many young kiddies on this board (17-25) and are still immature with respect to driving habits and courtesy. I think they probably picked up a used LS for cheap (note how most have lease return 00-02 models), and now want to race their friends with Hondas and Acuras.

Hey I'm 16, I have a 96 Mark I paid for with my hard and money, reason I got this car is because I wanted Class Style and Power which I got in this car. I'll admit I do get on it sometimes BUT when there is no one around me that I can risk there lives. I've been driving since I was 12 I drive just as good as any one who is 35 in my opinion and in many of my parents friends opinion. IDK if you know this not all adults a perfect drivers, and not ALL "kiddies" 17-25 are bad drives and imature. Also when I got this car I didn't GAF on beating my friend Honda or Acura, I just wanted something that no one esle realy had and thats exactly what I got. I got a Linclon because it is a Fine Automobile and I can apresheat a fine car when I see one .

As Freefaller said, they all had harmless beginnings. I guess it could be used as derogatory if the user thinks the Ethnicity of the person is bad. Personally, I think the Japanese and Chinese civilizations, especially earlier, are amazing. So don't get me wrong, just when the word race pops up and someone makes an assumption I get fired up. I learned alot when I came to school as you can read in my previous post. I guess other people use words other ways, but what I'm trying to get across is I wouldn't use that word in a derogatory manner, let alone use the word. Sorry for any discrepancies. Arguing about something as dumb as what the orignal post was and something like this is hard to do at the same time.
I appreciate your sentiments. Let's drop this and get back to bashing wreckless street racing and endorsing spirited yet responsible driving. Deal? :)

You know. The fact that anyone in this forum would dislike anyone else for being able to purchase a fine automobile at a young age like the LS is somewhat disheartening.

I myself am 29 years old and purchased my LS used. I am in the US Air Force and I am responsible for millions of dollars of equipment. As a matter of fact you couldn't do my current job outside of the military without a Masters degree and I don't get paid alot to do it. So a new LS was out of the question. Some of these "kids" worked very hard for the car they love...and if these "kids" are old enough to take a bullet for uncle sam then they are old enough to drive an LS.

Trying to place yourself on a higher plateu by labeling yourself as a "proffesional" and stating that young "kids" have no buisness driving this type of vehicle is unbelievably conceited.

Everybody at one time or another has opened up one of their vehicles in order to see what the ol' girl could do. Let's not be hypocrites.

Your main point was to instill in everyone a little bit of safety and to do a little risk asessment prior to getting on the gas pedal. In this respect you are correct. We need to realize that high speeds in densly populated areas is extremely hazardous. But I think you severly diluted your message with far too much uppity BS.


Very well put.


On another note... I believe this world needs to lighten up. It seems like you cannot say a thing or do a single thing without offending someone else. One of my (black, african american, or human friends...whichever term you want to apply) said it best when he said that "It seems that only people whom are looking for trouble will get offended by terms that, when stated, clearly werent meant in a negative way". I agree with this. Unless I refer to another person by such generic terms as "fellow human being" then I will always offend someone. I find that highly disturbing. Have we, as the human race, really become as fickle to argue over such arbitrary things as questioning the context of the description for a person??? We have much bigger fish to fry! This world and this country is drowning in its own democracy.

You know. The fact that anyone in this forum would dislike anyone else for being able to purchase a fine automobile at a young age like the LS is somewhat disheartening.

Trying to place yourself on a higher plateu by labeling yourself as a "proffesional" and stating that young "kids" have no buisness driving this type of vehicle is unbelievably conceited.

Everybody at one time or another has opened up one of their vehicles in order to see what the ol' girl could do. Let's not be hypocrites.

Your main point was to instill in everyone a little bit of safety and to do a little risk asessment prior to getting on the gas pedal. In this respect you are correct. We need to realize that high speeds in densly populated areas is extremely hazardous. But I think you severly diluted your message with far too much uppity BS.

i don't think i could word it better.

i wouldn't call myself a professional...far from it actually, being a measily ford parts dept employee...but i have worked my butt of to be able to afford my ls, my wife's focus, our house, and everything in between, including newborn items that turn out to be more expensive than i thought. and i am only 27. so i may not qualify to be in your 40-60 almost retired and rich club, but i love my ls, and imo, it is the best car i have ever owned.

If you think it isn't, go incorporate yourself a town and name it Jap. Then try to get it registered with the US Geological Survey; you'll discover that they won't put it on the map with that name.



This sounds more like a story than an example. Sooner, please dont tell us that you tried to create a town named Jap? lol.














Just kidding ya man.

Thank you freefaller.



Some of us need to step back and realize the hipocracy that is spewing out of our own mouths everyonce in a while.


Alot of the things that I consider stupid ,wrong, and unjustified today, I was doing back when I had JUST got my DL. Sure, It was'nt right.....But younger kids think they have something to prove.

This sounds more like a story than an example. Sooner, please dont tell us that you tried to create a town named Jap? lol.

Just kidding ya man.
Nah, I just remember hearing an interview with a USGS official on the radio several years ago, and the name "Jap" was one of the names he specifically mentioned as not being allowable because of its derogatory nature. Personally, I thought it was silly, but it's an example of how some people think it's offensive.

But maybe I'm more thick-skinned than most when it comes to this, being a state that's taken pride in calling ourselves by names that other people meant as derogatory (like Sooner and Okie).

I appreciate your sentiments. Let's drop this and get back to bashing wreckless street racing and endorsing spirited yet responsible driving. Deal? :)
Sounds good to me. Like I said I never meant to offend anyone, just under the circumstances it came out wrong.

On a similar note:

I saw a 1994 - 2004 Mustang GT merging onto the highway today at about 70+ (not bad) but he jammed across two lanes of traffic and ran a 2000+ Bonneville off the road.

It continued to drive like it didn't happen for a good two or three miles and then turned off. What a jerkoff.

This generation is obsessed with street racing these little sport compacts, but when the police come by, they panic. Every one of my dad's 4 brothers, and himself, ran from the police while growing up (only a misdemeanor). One on a 1939 Matchless 500 motorcycle, one in a 1968 Corvette L68 (Al. 427 w/ 600HP), one on a Honda 750, one in a 1968 Chevelle (only a Six), and my dad in his 1971 Charger Superbee. This generation loves to race, but now the penalties are much higher than they have ever been before.

I am not going to say that I haven't drove recklessly (not in the Lincoln) but PLEASE practice some caution, and keep it on the track, or on private property. Part of growing up is getting that out of your system, but pay attention when doing so. I know that no matter what you say, these things will still happen. The best bet is to be careful.

Drive Well,
GT6

Or maybe they should talk about how to upgrade the cupholders in their LSs.

HHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA...

Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns.

That statement is so...so....well, it really doesn't deserve any more comment. Wow.

There is nothing wrong with street racing in my oppinion, as long as you keep your wits about you

It's illegal and people die from it all the time. However, it is a fact of life. Still doesn't make it right...and never will.

And thats why i started with this forum. Its the few that do talk about smoking cars thats really really stupid.

This is America. If someone builds it...others will race it. They have lawnmower races for cryin' out loud! Plus, the LS is a performance sedan. Even Lincoln themselves had an advertisement with it out performing a BMW 5 series. It was designed to perform...and enhancing that performance is what it's all about. Each individual's idea of enhancement is left up to them. Just because you don't agree doesn't make them wrong....just different than you.

I mean please. Raise your hand to me and i'll beat you down, but i'd think i am a bigger man than getting worked up over some idiot kid revving his 4-banger.

Be careful of some of those "4 bangers". There are several that will flat embarass even the best prepared LS. There is some seriously fast rice out there.

This thread is still going, WTF!! You guys gotta stop arguing and all grow up. Drop the subject!!

hat statement is so...so....well, it really doesn't deserve any more comment. Wow.


HA! Gotcha!!! I just like to stir things up a little!!! No offense intended!

BTW, the bit on the racing lawnmowers is true! I've seen this at several country fairs! The mowers look like little dragsters!

Racing lawnmowers??? that sonds kinda fun. I would like to see that.

Nah, I just remember hearing an interview with a USGS official on the radio several years ago, and the name "Jap" was one of the names he specifically mentioned as not being allowable because of its derogatory nature. Personally, I thought it was silly, but it's an example of how some people think it's offensive.

But maybe I'm more thick-skinned than most when it comes to this, being a state that's taken pride in calling ourselves by names that other people meant as derogatory (like Sooner and Okie).


Wow I learn something new everyday. I figured Okie was sort of derogatory but I didnt realize that Sooner was. Hmm.

Racing lawnmowers??? that sonds kinda fun. I would like to see that.



You would be surprised how fast a lawnmower can go when in neutral and coasting down a hill. I tried that about 10 years ago and dont think I will attempt that stunt anytime soon. hehe.

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You would be surprised how fast a lawnmower can go when in neutral and coasting down a hill. I tried that about 10 years ago and dont think I will attempt that stunt anytime soon. hehe.


LOL!! Man i can just see that lawnmower flyin down that hill right now, pretty freaky.

LOL!! Man i can just see that lawnmower flyin down that hill right now, pretty freaky.


Hehehe. Thats what happens when your a kid trying to make extra money and you need to get to the other persons yard on time. lol.

Wow, i guess i started a monster. Never thought talking about a racing incident would soon contain all this "Jap" discussion, but hopefully thats all done with. I started this thread so maybe i'll have one of the last words. I felt the need to mention this accident because it was two cars racing at only 50-60 mph, not a high-speed race, yet still had a bad outcome. Most of the people who say they raced and beat someone would most likely fall within that 50-60 range on a public road, if not worse. Yes, the pedestrian probably wasn’t using the best judgment BUT the drivers were not able to control their car and stop in time to avoid hitting the lady. That’s wrong. It would not have happened if they didn’t feel the need to race. The fact that there are so many idiot drivers should be the biggest reason not to race because you never know what the old fart in the Oldsmobile is gonna do up ahead of you. And whether you like it or not a huge majority of those people racing are under 21 yrs old, so if that describes you too bad. I'm not bashing people who want to mod their car and drive it, but only when it involves driving stupid on public roads and endangering the public. If you can find a back road with zero traffic and wanna race, go for it. Then if you wrap your car around a tree no harm done except to yourself.
Now, as far as the "kiddie" statement goes, that was taken waaay out of context. It is a fact that there are alot of young kids buying an LS. And it is a fact that MOST young drivers are very immature about their driving habits. And it is a fact that alot of LS's can be bought for very cheap now which allows younger people to afford them. BUT, nobody said anything about young kids shouldn’t buy an LS, and i do agree that the statement about "young kids driving an LS cheapens the brand" is a total BS comment. If you can buy it, drive it. But it is those young kids that are doing the majority of the idiotic driving. There have been way more than two posts about people racing their LS against another car, mostly to brag that they won. I'd be willing to bet that none of those "races" occurred on a track. It’s the mentality that if someone revs their engine you HAVE to race that just boggles my mind. Next time someone provokes you do this.....nothing. You'd be amazed at how funny and stupid they look taking off like an idiot by themselves.
So, i was using this accident as an example how any of you racing anywhere other than a track is incredibly stupid and dangerous and bad things can happen at anytime. Be a bigger human being and DONT race on public roads.

Thank you freefaller.



Some of us need to step back and realize the hipocracy that is spewing out of our own mouths everyonce in a while.


Alot of the things that I consider stupid ,wrong, and unjustified today, I was doing back when I had JUST got my DL. Sure, It was'nt right.....But younger kids think they have something to prove.

Well, I think you may be right regarding something to prove. I've always believed that the brain is not fully formed until about 30. This explains a lot of what goes on with 20somethings. Some of them I know are dumber than dirt. In my opinion, of course. :)

The term "jap" still offends me, as does "nip", "gook", etc. So does "kraut". I heard one friend with a BMW refer to his ride as a "krautmobile". I had to walk away.....

lady shouldn't have been in the road. Just darwin workin his magic again. And put 2 punks behind bars. He got 3 of em in one shot. the guy's amazing.

The term "jap" still offends me, as does "nip", "gook", etc. So does "kraut". I heard one friend with a BMW refer to his ride as a "krautmobile". I had to walk away.....

You should be offended...and that was very mature of you to walk away. But I'm also one of the older members here and I was raised in a different time and place. My family is originally from Alabama and "racism" was a way of life way back then for many people...not all. Just because it was the norm sure didn't make it right. Things have come a long way since then...and need to go further.

I'm also a Vietnam veteran. The term "gook" was more along the line of defining the enemy than anything else. But it was taken beyond that and it isn't right. But I must admit...when you're facing them day in and day out and they are trying to kill you, it's easy to "hate" them and use any derogatory term that comes to mind. As a matter of fact, that hatred is what kept you alive. But all wars end and it's time to let it go. I only mention any of this as a reason for it...not an excuse. There really is no excuse.

Wow I learn something new everyday. I figured Okie was sort of derogatory but I didnt realize that Sooner was. Hmm.
Both were perjorative in their origin, but Oklahomans have taken them and redefined them, so they haven't been truly derogatory in a long time. (Oklahoma's nickname has been "The Sooner State" since statehood in 1907.)

But I must admit...when you're facing them day in and day out and they are trying to kill you, it's easy to "hate" them and use any derogatory term that comes to mind. As a matter of fact, that hatred is what kept you alive. But all wars end and it's time to let it go. I only mention any of this as a reason for it...not an excuse. There really is no excuse.


Very true. Sometimes I have to hold myself back from saying such things as, "f***ing ragheads" when refering to arabic people. Heck I even have a few arabic friends that I met and worked with when I was over there. After having had to deal with the crap in the middle east, keeping an objective outlook is very hard to do; but it does have to be done. You cannot judge a whole culture of people purely because of a few bad apples.

what a hot topic huh?? race and racing?? seems to me (now 30) like it's all perspective really... racing around is fun, until sh*t happens... i have been in a few accidents and several races through the past and can tell you personally, that sh*t happens in the blink of an eye... and really two things happen... it humbles you and you gain perspective of life... now when i'm driving, the thought of killing a child or anyone else keeps me "cruising slow and careful" in parking lots, city streets, school zones, and neighborhhods. i want to punch it, but there is always another time to play..but it took 30 years and experiences in life to gain that wisdom, and i'm happy to have it!
as far as race card stuff, welcome to THE UNITED STATES OF THE OFFENDED, where everyone is american until proven a minority...where bitiching and whining are served on tap... and yes you can take your dmv license in "spanish", thank you/drive through (beavis)......lol

Yeah, I get mad when somebody calls me "white cracker trash"..

I have a propsal for those who say 17-2# should not have LS - they should buy Mark VIII, like me... lol As far as those OLD people With EXperience ...hm .. go to forum about town cars and grand marquis...lol that sutes you more and Please stay in right lane at all times for your and others safety......

Can this post please be moved and "MODERATED" into another section, thanks moderators heh.

as far as race card stuff, welcome to THE UNITED STATES OF THE OFFENDED, where everyone is american until proven a minority...where bitiching and whining are served on tap... and yes you can take your dmv license in "spanish", thank you/drive through (beavis)......lol

Well. I'm offended that you're NOT offended by this. What if someone called your car a "Jew Canoe"? Would that change your mind? This happened to me and I'm not even Jewish.

There is a reason why religion and race topics arent allowed on 98% of the web forums I am active on. Everyone has a differing opinion, and leads to nothing but trouble. PLEASE drop the race card topics, and talk about what the thread was started for.




Mike

Move the thread.

Well. I'm offended that you're NOT offended by this. What if someone called your car a "Jew Canoe"? Would that change your mind? This happened to me and I'm not even Jewish.


Its Called Freedom of Speech...! That doesn't mean its morally correct...!
But I'd defend his right to call you a Jap, Gook, Jew Canoe driving Nip, White Cracker Trash, Nigga, Spic, Rag Head, Kraut, Gini, Heb and/or any other comment wished upon you in a non violent way all the way to the US Supreme Court!!!! And I'd Win! Becuase its unconstitutional to tell people what they can an cannot say! I'm not offended by any of it... Because its all a bunch of idiotic banter.

Now, lets get to the other ALL American Topic!!!! Racing in the Streets..!
IT TOO IS AMERICAN!!!! It Started Here!!! When the rest of the world was still slappin the sides of horses to get around AND it will continue to happen here!!! It's part of our Pop Culture, and quite frankly I love it! Yeah, we know driving fast can kill, so can driving the speed limit as somebody already pointed out!!!! Don't let anybody tell you that they put performance $$$ into their car and had a chance to show it off in the streets and said..."Oh, we should go to the track and I'll show you!!!' Please people... We stomp on the accelerator and try to beat the guy next to us.

Are you telling me that only 17-20 somthings do it??? WRONG!! It happens all over the place... Ever hear about Flatbush Ave in Brooklyn??? Let alone the millions of songs written about racing in the streets... C'mon people... Get off your Soap Boxes and get on with talking about cars!!! Half of the vendors on this site are dedicated to performance of your vehicle. There is a web board for the self rightous... Its just not this one!!!!!!

Well. I'm offended that you're NOT offended by this. What if someone called your car a "Jew Canoe"? Would that change your mind? This happened to me and I'm not even Jewish.


I believe I would find it kind of comical if someone said that to me (mostly because of the comment being so lame), nothing against Jewish people. If I were to get offended by a comment like that it would be more along the lines of them attempting to insult my car than anything else.

Thats 100% true. And thats why i started with this forum. Its the few that do talk about smoking cars thats really really stupid.

"Or maybe they should talk about how to upgrade the cupholders in their LSs."

I'd rather read that than some video of 100+ mph stupid driving or an arguement over beating a Neon SRT-4.

Do the math. You said 85%. Thats far from a few.

I will speed every day of my life its as natural to me as wakeing up along with alot of the other people here and idc what car pulls along side of me if they rev there motor or give me that look its on... You dont like it call the cops on me i agree i deserve to have them on me then but guess what 9 outta 10 times the cops cant do :q:q:q:q if they dont see it themselves

There's no derogatory meaning to that name whatsoever, So I'd have to ask you to lighten up. Do African American people get offended when you call them black? Do Caucasian people get offended when you call them white? No, so obviously shortening a name of an ethnic group isn't racist. People really need to understand the point of the name, it's not an insult.

What you dont understand is the stereotype is what people consider offensive. I'm somewhat neutral on the term myself but I see where others are coming from. Ive always called sportbikes crotch rockets myself. Dont think someone with an Aprilia or Ducati would like their bikes referred to as rice rockets.

wow, just when I thought this thread couldn't get any worse ETC1997 pops in to fire off his sh*t cannon....moderators please we're begging lock the thread. censor us. put a fork in us, we're done. declare the thread a state of emergency....do something?

dammit now I posted here too:(

Its Called Freedom of Speech...! That doesn't mean its morally correct...!
But I'd defend his right to call you a Jap, Gook, Jew Canoe driving Nip, White Cracker Trash, Nigga, Spic, Rag Head, Kraut, Gini, Heb and/or any other comment wished upon you in a non violent way all the way to the US Supreme Court!!!! And I'd Win! Becuase its unconstitutional to tell people what they can an cannot say! I'm not offended by any of it... Because its all a bunch of idiotic banter.


Another enlightened statement from noted Constitutional scholar Jamler3. Isn't that special?

I could lay out in nauseating detail how you're wrong, but I've tolerated this thread long enough. Moderators, please close this thread. Let's talk about Lincolns and Cadillacs and not divert ourselves with divisive topics such as this.

Ive said my two cents Beaups now its your turn lol

I GOT A NEED FOR SPEED!!!

I passed this thread up.. which was smart, until now...


Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous.


The young market is what companys want.. they are designing cars to suit our age groups more and more every day. It's a sport sedan that's affordable.. Oh you're professional and no one our age should have them? Huh that's funny. I'm not even 21 yet and i'm making over 49,000 a year without a college degree. I have the oppertunities in front of me to double that within 5 years. But i'm a young guy who bought an LS for 21k *oh with my own money btw* and added a few things like window tint and halos so i must lower the value.


Cars looking "pimped" out can go to far, but if done right *Ken's, Quiks, tons of others on this board with mods* all it does is draw more attention to the car. Attracting more people to go, "hey what kinda car was that? that was bad ass!". Maybe if more people would of modded their LS it would of sold enough to stay in production lol.

*I didn't really spell check or grammer check this, I'm enjoying my whiskey n coke. so shutup!*

We don't lock threads here. At least we try not to. Let's all be adults. We don't want to babysit. Please show restraint. Start another thread if you want to.

I hate going on boards and every other thread is locked. Doesn't say much for the people that participate there.

Scroll thru the LS forum. I don't think a thread has ever been locked. That to me says volumes about the quality of the people we have here.

Almost 3000 threads. No locks. Come on guys and gals. Keep the streak going. Moderate yourselves.

It is real simple. Nobody post anymore. Everybody had their say.

OK?

Good

Done!

Another enlightened statement from noted Constitutional scholar Jamler3. Isn't that special?

I could lay out in nauseating detail how you're wrong, but I've tolerated this thread long enough. Moderators, please close this thread. Let's talk about Lincolns and Cadillacs and not divert ourselves with divisive topics such as this.

Not a constitutional scholor... Just a lawyer... And yeah, it is special, wiseguy!
All your nauseating detail will still not render you correct... Thanks for sparing us

Fla02LS ...does have a point about people racing but he didnt have to address it like he did

i raced an evo friday just for fun goin down 295 in new jersey we hit about 135 and just rode 130 out havin fun

And I'd Win! Becuase its unconstitutional to tell people what they can an cannot say!

Jamler 3, you're a lawyer and you believe this is correct? Maybe you slept through Con Law, but there are many situations where speech is restricted. Remember Schenk where Holmes said you cannot falsely shout fire in a crowded theater?? To say "its unconstitutional to tell people what they can an cannot say" is dead wrong.

You know what I do when I hear a honda next to me? I laugh. There is NO point to racing a car 3 seconds slower than you. Especially on the street. Tell those damn hondoo, acurah, and toyotah drivers to take it to the track. Honestly "smoking" and honda for 3 seconds isnt worth my life or anybody else's life.

Jamler 3, you're a lawyer and you believe this is correct? Maybe you slept through Con Law, but there are many situations where speech is restricted. Remember Schenk where Holmes said you cannot falsely shout fire in a crowded theater?? To say "its unconstitutional to tell people what they can an cannot say" is dead wrong.

You can't go to extremities and say shouting a false emergency was one thing they thought about in Freedom of Speech. Laws can be bent, that's just how it is. Everything has it's loopholes.

You know what I do when I hear a honda next to me? I laugh. There is NO point to racing a car 3 seconds slower than you. Especially on the street. Tell those damn hondoo, acurah, and toyotah drivers to take it to the track. Honestly "smoking" and honda for 3 seconds isnt worth my life or anybody else's life.

It almost isnt worth it, except i love to see the look on their face when a supposed old person car smokes there lil ricers, it sets them in their place.

[QUOTE=Fla02LS] Its the people that dont get "luxury vehicle" and try to turn the LS into some racer. QUOTE]

Tha't funny. I no longer refer to the LS as a luxury car. It is a great car with some fine appointments, but it is not luxury. Get into a Town Car and you are closer, but not an LS.

It is not a racer either...but it is closer to that end than luxury.

[QUOTE=MV LS
Tha't funny. I no longer refer to the LS as a luxury car. It is a great car with some fine appointments, but it is not luxury. Get into a Town Car and you are closer, but not an LS.

It is not a racer either...but it is closer to that end than luxury.[/QUOTE]

I hate to start an argument but you are wrong. Lincoln is a luxury based brand that sells luxury cars. Hence why they all have leather and a lot of options in them.

I BEAT AN INFINITI G35 TOO
i was amazed and lovin it

The LS is more luxurious than many cars but I wouldn't put it into the "luxury car" segment by any means. More of a mid-sized upscale sports sedan. Frankly, the interior isn't even in the same league as most "luxury" cars, although it's very "nice". There's not a single option on my LS (and mine has EVERY option) that my wife's minivan doesn't have (that I can think of)....except for the suspension, engine, etc. "Upscale sports sedan"...that's where I rank it.

Good Point

I hate to start an argument but you are wrong. Lincoln is a luxury based brand that sells luxury cars. Hence why they all have leather and a lot of options in them.

Leather seating surfaces (the rest of it is vinyl). For the most part, the options on an LS are the same options in a Ford Focus. What specifically were you referring to as exclusive options?

Some of the items that make it different than, say, a Focus is the near 50/50 balance, race-inspired sport tuned suspension. These are items that are not normally associated with luxury cars, either.

Plus, I can accept being wrong, but I do not see that being the case here. ..yet.

Jesus christ moderators this thread has nothing to do with lincoln LS can this please be moved foR THE LOVE OF GOD

air conditioned seats????

ok there's 1:)

Jesus christ moderators this thread has nothing to do with lincoln LS can this please be moved foR THE LOVE OF GOD

That is a great quote and I do agree with you..

Driver Seat memory, telescopic wheel, heated/cooled seats, gps, auto wipers, remote windows, power pedals, Audiophile sound system.
Your right, it's not a full out luxury car. It was intended for a younger audience, giving it a firmer ride etc. But it's still luxurious.

I'm sorry, but do you really believe in this????

"Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous."

Driver Seat memory, telescopic wheel, heated/cooled seats, gps, auto wipers, remote windows, power pedals, Audiophile sound system.
Your right, it's not a full out luxury car. It was intended for a younger audience, giving it a firmer ride etc. But it's still luxurious.

I'll give you the seat memory and cooled seats (option).

2006 Focus has telescopic wheel standard on their two higher models and an option on the lower. It also has heated seats and audiophile sound system as an option.

If the Focus does not have remote windows, I believe that there are a lot of other lowly Fords that do.

I don't know about auto wipers, but I was under the impression that the newer LSes had discontinued the auto wipers.


I will concede I was wrong on the NO OPTIONS part, but there does not seem to be much difference in options that makes the LS luxurious.

I'm sorry, but do you really believe in this????

"Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous."

A few hours ago I would have agreed with you. Then I read this (http://forums.machinedesign.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/8990016462/m/2560072563) today which has me thinking about it. Lincoln, Cadillac, Mercedes, etc. are no longer the "exclusive" brands they once were. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing.

Yeah, I get mad when somebody calls me "white cracker trash"..
HAHAH! Dude that has to be one of the best posts I have seen in this thread!

I'll give you the seat memory and cooled seats (option).

2006 Focus has telescopic wheel standard on their two higher models and an option on the lower. It also has heated seats and audiophile sound system as an option.

If the Focus does not have remote windows, I believe that there are a lot of other lowly Fords that do.

I don't know about auto wipers, but I was under the impression that the newer LSes had discontinued the auto wipers.


I will concede I was wrong on the NO OPTIONS part, but there does not seem to be much difference in options that makes the LS luxurious.


I know it's not the most luxurious car out there, but its pretty damn nice for the price. There really isn't that many more luxury items, apart from recliners in the back of Maybachs but you understand what I mean.

I know it's not the most luxurious car out there, but its pretty damn nice for the price. There really isn't that many more luxury items, apart from recliners in the back of Maybachs but you understand what I mean.


Fully Connelly leather, real wood on the dash, "silver champagne flutes in the back seat"?

Actually, didn't cloth used to be the ultimate in luxury?

I agree, many of the "luxuries" are trickling down to cookie cutter cars; and that the LS is a great car for the price.

Jamler 3, you're a lawyer and you believe this is correct? Maybe you slept through Con Law, but there are many situations where speech is restricted. Remember Schenk where Holmes said you cannot falsely shout fire in a crowded theater?? To say "its unconstitutional to tell people what they can an cannot say" is dead wrong.

You simply cannot be prosecuted for what you said, unless of course you lie under oath... If you yelled FIRE in a crowded theatre... You would be prosecuted for inciting a riot. That also has nothing to do with telling people what they can and cannot say! Or what we were talking about!! Try again Genius...

I'm sorry, but do you really believe in this????

"Yes it does. When a kid buys an LS, it cheapens the brand, which is targeted to 40-60 year old successful people. 20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns. What's worse is when these 20-somethings pimp out their used car buys with fat tires, hood scoops, limo tint, undercarriage lighting, etc., to make them look ridiculous."
Well im 20 and im drivin an ls and it just sounds like to me that u would look ridiculous driving down the road with all that done to ur car as apposed to a younger adult who would look more succesful driving a lincoln. it just sounds like to me that your to old to do any modifacation type things to your car. i wouldnt expect my pop-pop to mod his car either

and by the way when i turn 50 or 60 i definetly wont be driving a lincoln ill be driving a bently

and by the way when i turn 50 or 60 i definetly wont be driving a lincoln ill be driving a bently



I think I will opt for a rocketcar of sorts... They should have em by then. hehe

Eh, I beat a Grand Cherokee today, but my LS has a V-6. ANd before anyone says anything about dangerous racing, it was necessary- I had to get over to the right hand lane asap.

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A younger person looks successful driving a Lincoln? No, it just looks like they borrowed Mommy's car. DUH!



That's a bit harsh, don't you think? If anything, the LS was designed for the younger market. Can't have the brand be seen as merely catering to 60 year old retirees, now can we?

A younger person looks successful driving a Lincoln? No, it just looks like they borrowed Mommy's car. DUH!

Maybe where you're from. Either way, I'd rather have my Lincolns and have people assume they're my mommy's (although I don't know why they would, seeing as how my name is on the license plate), than be driving some Mustang or whatnot just to fit in with my peers.

You keep talking about bring the brand down... come on... I'm only 18, and each of my past 3 cars (LS included) cost quite a bit more than your 2003 V6, so you're like in no position to talk... step your game up, playa... haha jk :[ (no, but seriously)

I'm pretty sure the Administrators told us to end this thread. Sounds good to me.

I'm pretty sure the Administrators told us to end this thread. Sounds good to me.

If they told us to end it, wouldn't they have locked it by now?

If they told us to end it, wouldn't they have locked it by now?

No they don't like to lock threads.

Wow ! This thread was a blast to read, So much emotions coming out. as far as my thoughts go..... I don't care if your young or old, if you can afford the car your riding in, the more power to you. But I think that racing on a public street is a death or two waiting to happen.
I can not afford a new car and I'm 49.
But I have a 93 Mark VIII, and love my ride. I have not added anything new to it but I will! I love to drive and enjoy sitting in this ride and knowing that if I need to pass someone safely, I can....With ease. so everybody just relax, and enjoy your ride.
This is a great site, if you need help with any problem someone is always there to help you.........and you know that.
But I really enjoyed this thread because it seems that alot of folks expressed themselves. God bless LVC.
I hope no one gets offended by the word.............GOD

If they told us to end it, wouldn't they have locked it by now?
Why do WE have to FORCE adults to act like adults?

Everybody either had their say or didn't have their say, apparently.

I thought about moving it. Heck, I even tried to move it but the new software update that was just done wouldn't allow me. Bug or something. That must have been my Guardian Angel sitting on my shoulder saying... Don't to it. These guys are the best on the web. They'll moderate themselves, just watch.:V

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A younger person looks successful driving a Lincoln? No, it just looks like they borrowed Mommy's car. DUH!

Read what you just wrote. If you cannot say Fire in a crowded theater, then you cannot say it. Res ipsa loquitur, smart guy. What you are prosecuted for is completely irrelevant. The fact is that you cannot say it.

Listen Up Guys... Obviously, Nobody is as smart or as knowledgable as TODDG Who once again, has sucessfully represented himself as a ...[edit]
Since you apparently find it empowering to hide behind your keyboard and insult folks, I've decided to join in. I'm sure you'll go far in life with your insulting attitude...

anyone who is mad at me because I'm 23 and drive an LS is just pissed because I make more money than them. quit being crotchety old fogies. I believe street racing started, oh, about when cars first started being made, so quit blaming my generation for everything. I'm so tired of that. and Lincoln better want us to start buying more otherwise they will be dead before you old farts.

A few hours ago I would have agreed with you. Then I read this (http://forums.machinedesign.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/8990016462/m/2560072563) today which has me thinking about it. Lincoln, Cadillac, Mercedes, etc. are no longer the "exclusive" brands they once were. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing.

people who are into exclusivity are selfish pricks. why can't someone who doesn't make a ton of money be abe to buy a nice car? who think they should drive pieces of crap? come on, I bet you're one of those people who sees a ghetto black dude driving a nice car and thinks he's automatically a drug dealer. i wish everyone had nice cars, because then people would be more careful in parking lots etc...

people who are into exclusivity are selfish pricks. why can't someone who doesn't make a ton of money be abe to buy a nice car? who think they should drive pieces of crap? come on, I bet you're one of those people who sees a ghetto black dude driving a nice car and thinks he's automatically a drug dealer. i wish everyone had nice cars, because then people would be more careful in parking lots etc...


I dont really agree with a few of your comments. Setting yourself apart from others is what pretty much ALL people strive to do to a degree. Everyone always wants to feel special in their own way. I think that the reason why people want exclusivity when it comes to cars is because they want something that sets them apart from others. Those people are probably a little eccentric but I dont neccessarily think all of them think that merely because they drive a badasscar, that they are better than all. I believe you were a little quick to judge that one. You seemed to make that comment while later trying to get a point across about generalizations & stereotypes, but yet you just perpetrated one yourself with your first sentence. Practice what you preach, especially in the same post.

Also BTW, if I saw a GHETTO black guy I would think he was a thug or otherwise some sort of degenerate whether he was driving a nice car or not. The key word you said there was "GHETTO". The same would go for a white or Asian guy or girl too. If it dresses like trash, talks like trash, acts like trash and smells like trash....Its trash.....oorrr an undercover cop. hehe

And one last point to make. If everyone did have luxury cars then they would be par for course and nothing would stand out as being classy or stylish anymore. Having a luxury car and having a car that will reliably transport their passengers in safety are two totally different animals too. A safe and reliable car is something I would like for everyone, but a luxury car should be earned.

I still don't like being called "White Cracker Trash" but it is a free country and freedom of speech is what make's it that way so I accept it.

I dont really agree with a few of your comments. Setting yourself apart from others is what pretty much ALL people strive to do to a degree. Everyone always wants to feel special in their own way. I think that the reason why people want exclusivity when it comes to cars is because they want something that sets them apart from others.

Sure, and I try to set myself apart in who I am, not what I drive or wear etc... Guess why, because lots of people can buy what you wear and drive, and there is no exclusivity to that. I wear shirts that cost upwards of $200 everyday, but I will never buy a shirt that has a logo on it. Why? Because it's not about my logo, it's about me. I'm one of the most egotisctical person that you will ever meet, but I never yearn for respect from what I drive, wear, etc. If I did, I'd drive a Mercedes. I'll be honost, most people don't think twice about me driving a Lincoln. I love my car to death more than my Audi, but in the end it is still a Ford, and that doesn't impress many now does it?

Those people are probably a little eccentric but I dont neccessarily think all of them think that merely because they drive a badasscar, that they are better than all. I believe you were a little quick to judge that one. You seemed to make that comment while later trying to get a point across about generalizations & stereotypes, but yet you just perpetrated one yourself with your first sentence. Practice what you preach, especially in the same post.

A little eccentric?

Originally Posted by ToddG
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A younger person looks successful driving a Lincoln? No, it just looks like they borrowed Mommy's car. DUH!

You are right, that is just being eccentric. Before you start to try and be intellectual about the way you dissect my posts, please read the whole thread. You try to call me a hypocrite because I think this guy is ridiculous for this comment?? I mean you are really grasping there. I am not generalizing, I am making an assumption based upon statements. If these assumptions are false I can not be blamed because I do not know this gentleman personally. He has represented himself in this manner, and I have nothing else to go on. So yes, he and others that think like him are being selfish if they don't want young people to drive Lincolns. If you agree with what mr. ToddG thinks about our precious Lincoln, then you sir are lumped right in, hypocritical on my part or not. Lest we forget that even if I was being a hypocrite, that in NO way detracts from his statements being wrong sir. My "wrong" doesn't make his wrong a right. I am simply sticking up for myself and any other young man or woman who has worked hard to afford themselves a nice car. Even $15,000 can be a lot for a 22 year old.

Also BTW, if I saw a GHETTO black guy I would think he was a thug or otherwise some sort of degenerate whether he was driving a nice car or not. The key word you said there was "GHETTO". The same would go for a white or Asian guy or girl too. If it dresses like trash, talks like trash, acts like trash and smells like trash....Its trash.....oorrr an undercover cop.

How amusing. You accuse me of being a hypocrite, then you say that my arguments have no merit because of my hypocrosy, and then you go and say that just because someone dresses ghetto, they are a degenerate. Never did I say walking, talking, or whatever. This is exactly why I don't wear clothes with visible labels, because silly people like you look at labels and such and think that you can derive something about me from that. My friend you are dead wrong. And I will hear nothing more of your arguments until this hypocrosy has been corrected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And one last point to make. If everyone did have luxury cars then they would be par for course and nothing would stand out as being classy or stylish anymore. Having a luxury car and having a car that will reliably transport their passengers in safety are two totally different animals too. A safe and reliable car is something I would like for everyone, but a luxury car should be earned.

So just because I work at McDonald's means that I can't have a nice car with heated leather seats? What if I work 3 jobs to support my family?? What then? How about if I am a single parent of a child who is disabled and most of my money goes to helping them? What then? Who's to say that YOU earned your car? Who's the judge? All I am saying is that if you can afford it, treat yourself buddy, because unless you are dealing drugs, you did some form of work, put out some effort to get where you are. And I am glad to see that car makers are making all the neat "exclusive" features from luxury cars available on less expensive cars, so eveyone's cooli can be warm in the winter.

Ok LVC start working right! DP, sorry...

Sure, and I try to set myself apart in who I am, not what I drive or wear etc... Guess why, because lots of people can buy what you wear and drive, and there is no exclusivity to that. I wear shirts that cost upwards of $200 everyday, but I will never buy a shirt that has a logo on it.

So let me get this straight, you wear those $200 shirts for their comfort? Hehe. Give me a break dude! If that isnt for the "exclusivity" then I dont know what is! Thats a laugh...


I'm one of the most egotisctical person that you will ever meet,


It shows by the way you present yourself... Its ok, you'll learn one day...Or get get one one too many persons nerves and no longer have any teeth.


If I did, I'd drive a Mercedes. I'll be honost, most people don't think twice about me driving a Lincoln. I love my car to death more than my Audi, but in the end it is still a Ford, and that doesn't impress many now does it?


Isn't Daimler-Benz owned by Chrysler, just like Lincoln is owned by Ford as you more or less put it? Come on dude that was another moot point. If we traced every manufacturer back to their base brand they all would be generic run of the mill crap. I am not even trying to discount your point of younger people having the right to nice cars. If young people can afford them, and take care of their belongings then that is cool with me. My disagreement was with your comment referring to "people who are into exclusivity are selfish pricks".


You are right, that is just being eccentric. Before you start to try and be intellectual about the way you dissect my posts, please read the whole thread.


Actually I did. I seen quite a few dumb posts. It just seemed that your post was dumber than most, so I felt inclined to reply.


You try to call me a hypocrite because I think this guy is ridiculous for this comment?? I am not generalizing, I am making an assumption based upon statements.


Do you even know what generalizing/stereotyping is? I do, as for the last 5 years (off and on) I have taught valuing diversity classes for the military and will soon start teaching management and leadership classes as of Jan06. Trust me when I say that you just did it. If you would have just stuck with your opening comment without feebly attempting to be righteous later on, then I would probably not even have replied. But all you did with your later statement was prove yourself as a muttle-minded hypocrite.



If these assumptions are false I can not be blamed because I do not know this gentleman personally. He has represented himself in this manner, and I have nothing else to go on.



Annnnnnd you say you didnt generalize??????? Holy sh1t look the word up sometime!


So yes, he and others that think like him are being selfish if they don't want young people to drive Lincolns. If you agree with what mr. ToddG thinks about our precious Lincoln, then you sir are lumped right in, hypocritical on my part or not.


Actually I thought ToddG was probably posting even more retarded stuff than you. I didnt agree with ToddG. What I did was make a point about why some people may choose to want to have an exclusive car and how they should not be criticized for that or stereotyped as being selfish pricks.



Lest we forget that even if I was being a hypocrite, that in NO way detracts from his statements being wrong sir.


You were being a hypocrite...Annnnnd his statements were stupid too...


My "wrong" doesn't make his wrong a right. I am simply sticking up for myself and any other young man or woman who has worked hard to afford themselves a nice car. Even $15,000 can be a lot for a 22 year old.



Like I said, not once did I say ToddG was right, so we will move right along...



How amusing. You accuse me of being a hypocrite, then you say that my arguments have no merit because of my hypocrosy, and then you go and say that just because someone dresses ghetto, they are a degenerate. Never did I say walking, talking, or whatever.



You misconstrued my post once again. First off lets start with your post. You said, "who sees a ghetto black dude". If it is just their clothes and they are well spoken then I would not think anything of the way they dress. But if they portray more than one or two of those traits I previously named, then they probably are truly ghetto trash. You said, "ghetto black dude" not ghetto dressed black dude" and that is the CONTEXT what went off of. I will assume you dont know what that word means too, so ya better look it up.


This is exactly why I don't wear clothes with visible labels, because silly people like you look at labels and such and think that you can derive something about me from that.



If most people out there found out that you wore $200 shirts they would probably derive that your a moron for spending that much money on simple pieces of cloth stitched together that cover your body (with or without labels). At your age, that money can most likely be better spent.



My friend you are dead wrong. And I will hear nothing more of your arguments until this hypocrosy has been corrected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


***Devils Advocate***Hehe. The only hypocrite is you. You tried to make a point valid based upon ridiculing someone for a generalization/stereotype. The funny thing was that YOUR ORIGINAL POINT WAS A STEREOTYPE!!! The comment I made about trash wasnt a generalization or stereotype because it was based upon multiple articles of factual based information and not just one, like yours was.



So just because I work at McDonald's means that I can't have a nice car with heated leather seats? What if I work 3 jobs to support my family?? What then? How about if I am a single parent of a child who is disabled and most of my money goes to helping them? What then? Who's to say that YOU earned your car? Who's the judge?



Whats your point with this garble and jibber-jabber? The crap you typed just above was a prime example of, "grasping for straws through providing outlandish examples".


All I am saying is that if you can afford it, treat yourself buddy, because unless you are dealing drugs, you did some form of work, put out some effort to get where you are. And I am glad to see that car makers are making all the neat "exclusive" features from luxury cars available on less expensive cars, so eveyone's cooli can be warm in the winter.


All in all I kind of understood where you were coming from and to an extent I can see you point you tried to make, and do agree with some of it. However, the rest was total garble and sounded more like a frantic attempt to try to win some sort of debate instead of to make a truly valid point; and do it affectively. I suggest you settle down and avoid making points that have more holes in them than Swiss Cheese. ToddG was #1 in the running for "most rediculous poster" but I believe that you and Fla02 are close behind in the running. Hope this post is juicy enough for the Anything Goes forum! Hehe... I know I am having fun...

I never said it was just me. There's a definition to each word, and I'm not the one that made it, you're just misinterpreting it. It's not a big deal, I'm not the one that needs to lighten up, I'm not offended. I don't even use the term, so don't make me out to be a bad guy. I'm just realistic. If you get offended by 3 letters there's a problem
while u did not direct this at me i beliave u are the one misinterpreting it spic is a shortened version of hispanic and i really wouldnt enjoy someone calling me that i believe u should look at the situation b4 u tell someone else how they should feel about there ethnicity

i also believe this thread is complete bs is this old vs young or telling right from wrong ive seen many post where the older member talk about what they used to do in there fox bodys or f bodys w/e they had and how they drove them and then you all r saying how young ppl cheapen the name f that u got the money u got the car

and yes i do race yes i know its stupid i have wrapped my car into a tree i have also spun out of the road goin 70 in a 45 avoiding a pedestrian the only person i have ever hurt was myself and i race a lincoln tc i see nothing wrong with it its my opinion ive had cops pull me out of my car beating a honda on an empty road goin only 85 so u can post im stupid post im wrong post i will kill either myself or someone else and id say if its ur turn to go nothing can stop u thats what i hear in church thats what ive seen at the 5 funerals ive been to this yr wich were all not coused by cars

and lastly i wish we did cheapen the name then id go buy one cheaper and drive it next to u and show u the sticker and call u a dumb*ss for payin what u did

20-somethings should not be driving Lincolns.

Flat-out the [edit: craziest] statement of the century. Some of the other "20 somethings" don't appreciate classy cars made by Americans for Americans. Those are the dingbats who buy JAP cars. Yes, JAP cars.

I'll buy what kind of car I want and light up the tires while you're in back of me just to watch you cry like a bruised little girl. This is America, I have a choice to buy what I want, when I want. My forefathers fought and died for it so I'm gonna' use it! You don't like it? Move to France with the rest of the ignorant pussies.

20-somethings shouldn't be driving Lincolns? Cry me a river, :rolleyes:

The guy that said moding your LS cheapens it, is why lincoln sucks right now, he must be right, its not like any other amercian luxary company is building any luxary performance car, cough cough CTSV and STSV. you know what hes right america doesnt want a sporty luxary car any more.

BTW I street race all the time with my friends some who have low 12 second cars, we keep it safe and out in the country

I too agree that there's too much talk about the racing abilities of the LS on this forum. Help me make mine run smoother, get better gas milage, make the interior more quiet, give me an awesome sound system. I've already put my foot to the floor too many times, and I'm done with it. I see the kids come up alongside of me revving their exhaust. That was me a long time ago. I'm giving up on that. Thak God I didn't hurt someone thinking I was the "bad dog" on the street. The street is no place to test your stupidity. You'll kill someone if not yourself. Don't think it won't happen to you. The cemetarys are filled with kids/guys who prove you wrong. And you know what? That's not really why I've given up on mashing the pedal. I mean, think about it. There are literally hundreds of cars out there faster than the LS. Why bother?...consider this scenario; 3 lane street...you're in the middle lane...one of these little cars you're certain you can beat comes up to your left side challenging you. You rev, he rev's...anticipating the light...just before the light turns green...you glance out the corner of your right eye to spot...a vette sitting there...so what's the point? These faster cars than the LS...they don't need all the mod's...all that extra horsepower...they'll just cruise away from you...with a stock engine at that. What's the point. If you want to be fast, invest your money and get on the drag circuit, or go to Bonneville. I'm right with you there.

lady shouldn't have been in the road. Just darwin workin his magic again.


amen to that.

LS's are not race cars anyways. It's a luxury sedan with some sporty add-ons

I think the problem is that there are too many young kiddies on this board (17-25) and are still immature with respect to driving habits and courtesy. I think they probably picked up a used LS for cheap (note how most have lease return 00-02 models), and now want to race their friends with Hondas and Acuras.

Also, I'm personally offended by people who use the term "ricer". It reminds me of "jap" when describing a person of Asian heritage. We need a bit more consideration of other people here.

i am one of those "young kiddies" and yes, i got a 2000 v6 for 8 grand, and i want to modify this car, not so i can go out and look for "ricers" to smoke, which by the way refers to the car, not the driver, so a honda is a ricer, but so if one starts to play with me i can put him in his 4 cylinder place

I'm a 20-something person myself, I suppose I fit into the young kiddies stereotype too. Too bad I have a 2005, financed it myself, just paid off a $30,000 new vehicle 3 years early and plan to buy a house within the next 6 months. That puts a hole or two in the kiddie/younger persons not being responsible theories, huh? I baby my LS and will definately continue to appreciate it. I would guess that $500/month payments tend to have that affect on a person. For any of the younger people buying the older LS's I say go for it. At least I will see a few more of those rolling around, hopefully with some class, instead of some fart-can wearing Neon or Civic.