I am thinking about getting a 2Din Navigation HU. I am looking for reviews anyone may have out there from personally owning either unit. Does anyone have the D1 installed in their LS? I know the Eclipse fits with some modification, would it be the same process to install the D1?


I'm pretty sure I'd rather have the Eclipse, seems like an all around better unit. Problem being, I can get the D1 for $850 and the cheapest I have found the Eclipse is $1200. I don't think I can justify the price difference, but still would like everyone's opinions.

I was looking into the Eclipse 5495, but that runs 2k.. not excited about that.. but now you got me looking at the pioneer avic-d1 and I'm seeing a lot of things I like. Am curious to see opinions from people as well. I haven't decided yet, either getting navigation for the LS, or buying a motorcycle lol.

Factors that played for me; The AvicD1 Is not able to be bypassed to use the navigation while in motion. Also, The D1 does not have dvd playback, only Navigation disc. So, depends on what you want to do, use just navi or use it for movies too. I personally went with the Alpine Iva-D310 Touchscreen, VERY good quality product and very easy to use.

The navigation doesn't work while in motion....? wtf good is it?

haha, I believe he was referring to the inability to change the navigation options while the car is in motion. This is apparently easily bypassed though by adding a wire to the wire harness.

The AvicD1 Is not able to be bypassed to use the navigation while in motion.


Not true...

Instructions to disable the lockout
OK, we figured out the real way to bypass the lockouts on the new
Pioneer nav systems. It is real simple, and does not require any
complex switches or anything. This bypass will do two things:
1. Makes all nav functions available while driving (just like they
should be)
2. Make video playback available while driving

AVIC-N2: Underneath the unit is a small silver sticker, peel this
back. There are two contacts with the label "R197". Drop a bit of
solder between these to connect them.

AVIC-D1: Find an extra Pioneer wire harness, and pull one of the wires out. In the AVIC-D1 harness, there is one open spot on the connector. Put this wire into the open spot on the connector, connect it to ground, then re-connect the plug to the AVIC-D1.



Im installing this unit in my 1998 Mark VIII literally as I type this. (my car is in pieces in the garage)

i was going to ask you if you had finished installing it yet.

i was going to ask you if you had finished installing it yet.


Just finished installing dynomat in the trunk and backseat -- all but 2 speakers are installed, amp, etc installed. Bascially 2 tweeters to install and the head unit itself. I completely replaced the audio in the car - wires, amp, everything. To be fair and clear, Jibit is doing most of the work - and breakin his ass to make it perfect. (something I am quite appreciative of) So its taking a little longer - but we expect to have it done for the meet tomorrow.

94M5 just called and said he made it in town, so IM going to have him come over here, order pizza, and we'll get it finished up tonight. Quick detail in the morning and off to the meet.

Be sure to post alot of pics Joey,it is the only way i can tell who is who!!!!!

I'm pretty sure I'd rather have the Eclipse, seems like an all around better unit. Problem being, I can get the D1 for $850 and the cheapest I have found the Eclipse is $1200. I don't think I can justify the price difference, but still would like everyone's opinions.

Boy...do I disagree with that. The Eclipse is a very good unit, but every board I've been to...along with personal experience...has nothing but high praise for the Pioneer. It's display graphics are phenominal...and the NAV and POI are second to none. Not only that, but the ability to use XMTraffic is a HUGE plus in a metro area.

Got mine installed now. I have a few more things to do but its basically done.

First, for you lincoln mark viii owners, it is NOT a direct fit. You will have to cut your dash. But - dont worry - doing so doesnt affect anything else.

First impression so far.... WOW. The sound is fantastic. (of course the Diamond audio speakers and amp that we installed have something to do with that too) But the sound is highly controllable from the pioneer unit.

Menus are pretty good, bold and colorful. Pretty easy to find and figure out, although it'll take some time for me to learn it all because there is so much.

Real cool thing. the nav system will look up places of interest -- gas stations, fast food, hospitals, etc. near where you are.

I have alot more playing to do - but I am very highly impressed so far.

Joey, I'm in the process of looking for 95 dash to swap in my 93. I plan to make it double din to take the the AVIC D1. If you took any pics of the install and the finished product. I would appreciate a look see.

Factors that played for me; The AvicD1 Is not able to be bypassed to use the navigation while in motion.


Really? And you base the above statement on what, exactly? Heresay, or actual experience? With respect sir, I think.. nay, KNOW you are grossly mistaken about that.

Also, the Pioneer has something like 11million Points of interest, whereas the Eclipse has around 5 million, IIRC... furthermore, the Pioneer D1 and N2 (along with N1 with firmware upgrade) support XM Navtraffic, and it integrates it directly into your navigation route. It is a neat thing. Something Eclipse does not offer, last I checked.


Joey, I'm in the process of looking for 95 dash to swap in my 93. I plan to make it double din to take the the AVIC D1. If you took any pics of the install and the finished product. I would appreciate a look see.

http://www.phoenixprotective.com/lvc/Mark_Pioneer.JPG
http://www.phoenixprotective.com/lvc/_MG_0256%20(Large).JPG

Now that is what I'm talking about! I definately need to swap the dash in my 93 to a 95. Even though I don't do long distance travelling in my Mark, the only reason I was particularly interested in the Eclipse is because of it's Sirius ready capability. I know the Avic-D1 is XM. I'm heavilly invested in Sirius. I have three subscriptions.

Actually sir, the D1 will do both Sirius AND XM. ;)

I'm ordering a Sirius tuner for it sometime next week, me thinks.

Really? And you base the above statement on what, exactly? Heresay, or actual experience? With respect sir, I think.. nay, KNOW you are grossly mistaken about that.



Actually Frogman, he's correct. You can't go in to the AVIC-D1 and change some of your navigation controls unless you stop the car as delivered from Pioneer. For example, look up a POI while driving down the road. However, this is EASILY bypassed!!!

Joey, I'm in the process of looking for 95 dash to swap in my 93. I plan to make it double din to take the the AVIC D1. If you took any pics of the install and the finished product. I would appreciate a look see.


I did - see my photo garage. Installed pics are there. 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=375)

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=2411

Actually Frogman, he's correct. You can't go in to the AVIC-D1 and change some of your navigation controls unless you stop the car as delivered from Pioneer. For example, look up a POI while driving down the road. However, this is EASILY bypassed!!!



Yes - exactly. It is very easily bypassed.

OK, we figured out the real way to bypass the lockouts on the new
Pioneer nav systems. It is real simple, and does not require any
complex switches or anything. This bypass will do two things:
1. Makes all nav functions available while driving (just like they
should be)
2. Make video playback available while driving

AVIC-N2: Underneath the unit is a small silver sticker, peel this
back. There are two contacts with the label "R197". Drop a bit of
solder between these to connect them.

AVIC-D1: Find an extra Pioneer wire harness, and pull one of the wires out. In the AVIC-D1 harness, there is one open spot on the connector. Put this wire into the open spot on the connector, connect it to ground, then re-connect the plug to the AVIC-D1.

Actually Frogman, he's correct. You can't go in to the AVIC-D1 and change some of your navigation controls unless you stop the car as delivered from Pioneer. For example, look up a POI while driving down the road. However, this is EASILY bypassed!!!

I know it is EASILY bypassed. I bypassed mine in less than 5 minutes. Joey gets the credit for finding out about it though. I was just the guineea pig.

I was refering to this:
The AvicD1 Is not able to be bypassed to use the navigation while in motion.

Mr. Dubz did not have all of his info correct.

Thats what I was referring to also

That looks pretty good in there joey. Who installed it? I may have some questions for them........:D


Mike

That looks pretty good in there joey. Who installed it? I may have some questions for them........:D


Mike


yeah, was it a direct fit?

yeah, was it a direct fit?


First, for you lincoln mark viii owners, it is NOT a direct fit. You will have to cut your dash. But - dont worry - doing so doesnt affect anything else.



:D

That looks pretty good in there joey. Who installed it? I may have some questions for them........:D


Mike


Forgive me for not giving credit - 94m5 was good enough to install the head unit for me, and jibit did the speakers and amp. I mostly paid for the beer and cracked jokes :D

ha ha, I was just kidding man. But thanks. :D

I having my AVIC _N2 installed so I will not be able to bypass it unless I take it out myself again. I am under the impression that if you set it before you start rolling you will be able to view the map in real time. I am not over concerned with playing movies in the front while rolling. It has duel zone and I am in the process of getting a rear moniter.

hello guys, i'm new to this forum. But i have a question. I have hooked up the D1 in my lincoln LS, i must say it looks very nice. I have done research on the bypass so that you can play with the navi while you're driving.

I found the extra wire harness trcik, but it seemds that it doesn't work. Now i do have the Vss wire hooked up. Do i need to disconnect it when i'm grounding the extra wire and the parking wire.

Any help would be appreciated guys.

thanks,
Ahmad

Uh ohh....I hope they haven't changed that...

Try this and see if it helps:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2134369

Joey,

Do you have a DVD player hooked up to your HU? I'm looking to add an external video source but I'm not exactly sure how, and if anything else is needed.

What I would truly like to do is add a video ipod and have that as my video source. If i do get this hooked up for video, and then just played music, wouldn't it then just play the music with no video on the source? Is there any flaws in my logic? Does anyone see any disadvantages to doing this? I basically want any video I want, and music all from one source (I hate cds).

Thanks

Not having a nav/video unit myself, I can't guarantee how well that would work, but yes, it should work. The ipod video headphone jack can actually be used to send video as well using a cable with a 1/8" stereo plug on one end and 3 RCA jacks on the other(although apple claims that you NEED their "special" cord to do this, when in reality you dont, you just have to plug your RCA's in in an odd manner, switching the red and yellow leads). The disadvantage being, it wont charge the ipod like that, you'd need a car charger for it. I'm not aware of any car stereo control units for video ipods that support video through the docking port, although I suppose you could use a universal home dock with some creativity.

Do any of these units have a removable screen? I hate to leave something of obvious high value just sitting there in my dash. There's alot done to my car that has literally prevented it from being stolen, but you can't stop someone from punching in your window, aside from making the prospect undesirable. :(

ok so what about the difference between the N1 and the D1 (D2)... i have an N1 and want to upgrade to a D2... is this a dumb move? what are the differences between the 2 models...

Does anyone have the updated Maps for the D2 they can burn for me? I bought a D1 on ebay for a reasonable price, but it had no maps.

I have my D2 maps out at the shop. I'll see if I can copy em for ya.


Mike

Do any of these units have a removable screen? I hate to leave something of obvious high value just sitting there in my dash. There's alot done to my car that has literally prevented it from being stolen, but you can't stop someone from punching in your window, aside from making the prospect undesirable. :(



As far as I can tell, the D1/2 is NOT removable. I may be wrong tho as I hav'nt had time to play with it much.


Mike


BTW, Where did you guys hook your speed signal wire up at? I went off of the + side of the speedometer signal on the back of the instrument cluster. Am I good or no?

Thanks Mike. I am getting mine hooked up this weekend. I checked with the install guys at Circuit City. They told me the DVD's for the D2 will work for the D1. I will inquire about the speedometer thing.

ok so what about the difference between the N1 and the D1 (D2)... i have an N1 and want to upgrade to a D2... is this a dumb move? what are the differences between the 2 models...


N1/N2 are the regular din with he slideout screen

D2 is the double din with the "fixed" screen.

Mike, you're better off tapping the VSS lead going into your computer. The + side of the speedo, from what i can tell is a different type of votage pulse. though, it my be ok, since the unit is self calibrating.

N1/N2 are the regular din with he slideout screen

D2 is the double din with the "fixed" screen.

Mike, you're better off tapping the VSS lead going into your computer. The + side of the speedo, from what i can tell is a different type of votage pulse. though, it my be ok, since the unit is self calibrating.


Thanks frogman,


I'm gonna try it like it is for now. How long did you have to wait for the unit to calibrate it's self to the VSS signal?

I honestly don't remember. then again, I drove the car under open sky for a 1000 mile trip the next day after the install, so I'm sure it didn't take that long.

All the Speed signal lead does is tell the unit the car is still moving when it has no GPS signal, so that it may keep accurate map tracking... well that and the vehicle dynamics speedo screen.

Hey Frogman and 94m5. I just got my D1 installed today, and it looks great. I have some information about you for the VSS wire. My installer tapped the wire behind the speedometer. The green with white stripe. This is the one you need to use. Also, I elected not to install the trim ring because it looked ugly around the outside of the panel, thus leaving a small opening around the radio. How did you fix this on your mark?

I have my trim ring installed. I had to do a little trimming to fit it correctly, but all in all. I Like it alot.

Well Gman, it looks good, but please, with all repsect, telling someone who's had a D2 for almost a year with ABSOLUTELY no related problems which wire he "needs" to use is kinda silly, don't you think?

I tapped the VSS wire going INTO the computer. The one that feeds the computer raw on/off pulses, not some wire that's most likely a variable votage wire that feeds the instrument cluster. I'm curious how your unit will calibrate based on that wire now. Please let us know. Seriously.

But, whatever works, I guess.

Well, I have a feeling that comment was directed torwards me, seeing as how I was just asking about it in this same thread.


Little jumpy are'nt we?

Oh hell, I'm always jumpy, Mike. I didn't mean any disrespect, I just get a little annoyed when people tell me what I NEED to do.

It's all cool. Hope the speedo wire works out for both of you guys.

My friend is a Master installer at a shop here. He accessed a website called Installogy (http://www.installogy.com). He had everything he need to know about the Mark on that site. It told him to tap the Green with white stripe wire behind the spedo. We then calibrated it using the 3D Calibration. I cleared the Distance, Speed Pulse, and it learned my location. I drove around the block about 4 times. Then everything synced up.

Sorry Frogman, I was only passing on info.:)

Also, Mike, how did you trim your trim ring? From the inside of the ring or the outside of the ring? Also, did you mount the ring, over the wood panel?

behind the panel