Can i get into the 13's with just bolt ons? Any 1 in the 13's with bolt on's? What ones do you have? My buddy's cobra has been shatting on me way to long. Also can i retard the timing 5 degrees like the cobra's is? What kind of gains can i expect to recieve to this? What are the con's of doing this? What do i need to do to do it, is it via chip reflash or physical changes? :L

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Thanks for the great info.. really appreciated!!

put in a gear, (373) and spray 100 shot of nitrous to it

I guess it depends on what you consider a bolt-on. Maybe you could do a gear swap and a bolt-on whipple charger. Headers are about $600 and a PITA to get on. Exhaust will get you a few ponies but I dont think you would get more than a few tenths off your E.T. Its actually kinda hard to get a car into the 13's with only bolt-ons especially with these heavy cars.

Gears and spray is the easiest way. When my car had the S/C on it, it ran 12.8 in the 1/4. thats with 348 HP at the wheels, 4.10's, stage 4 shift kit, and drag radials.

put in a gear, (373) and spray 100 shot of nitrous to it

Or just do the spray.

I would like to do it natraully aspirated.. Trying to stay outta the NOS.. I would like to do it via pulleys, intake, exhaust? Things of this sort, is it possible? I would also do maybe head work or something of that sort.. What type of gears are you guys running?

4.10/ 4.30's
3200+ stall converter with J-mod 98+ tranny
Port n' polish work on the heads
Cobra intake, port-matched
Underdrives
Kooks or other long-tube headers
Free flowing exhaust
A good tune.

4.10/ 4.30's
3200+ stall converter with J-mod 98+ tranny
Port n' polish work on the heads
Cobra intake, port-matched
Underdrives
Kooks or other long-tube headers
Free flowing exhaust
A good tune.

You should hit the 13's w/o doing head work or even a cobra intake for that matter.

Also can i retard the timing 5 degrees like the cobra's is?


is this possable?? would you beable to to 89 Octane? Done with a chip??

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slap your mouth

slap your mouth

dude do not go there.

Do it NA. Here's my 13 second 6 year old formula.

LMS POWERMAXX Chip.
LMS 900 cfm MEGAMETER mass air kit.
K&N re-0810 900 cfm (flow matched) filter.
LMS ICEBOX Cold Air Kit.
LMS 2 1/2 inch Twin XX-pipe design LMS XpansionX chamber stainless steel mufflers & 4.75 inch rolled oval stainless steel tips.
LMS PROPOLYtm polyurethane carrier bushing kit.
LMS custom griffin radiator.
40 Below and distilled water.
LMS 160 degree T-stat.
ASP balancer/crank pulley.
COBRA 130 amp alternator.
Modified throttle body tube.
Nology hot wires plasma ignition system.
Autolite 764 spark plugs gapped at .048.
LMS Pro Billet adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
LMS severe duty trans cooler.
Baldino Racing Transmissions race prepped 4R70W.(Bulletproof)
LMS billet aluminum "solid" trans mount.
Precision Industries 9.5 inch 3500 stall speed torque converter.
Denny's driveshaft Services Metal Matrix Composite driveshaft.
Spicer severe duty hardened steel 1330 u-joints.
Auburn hd posi unit.
FMS 4.10 gears.
FMS carrier stud kit.

wow that alot

geno, i noticed you do not have shift kit. is the baldino tranny basically that good enough that you do not need a shift kit?

geno, i noticed you do not have shift kit. is the baldino tranny basically that good enough that you do not need a shift kit?

BRT does their own magic to the valve body.

cool... thanks bro

Whatever you do don't retard your ignition timing. I don't know where you got that advice. I think you are getting ignition and cam timing confused. I have my ignition timing advanced 6 degrees and it doesn't ping or knock at all. The torque and throttle increase is greatly increased. It is very possible to get into the 13's with just bolt ons. I'm actually pretty close to the 13's without gears, trac-loc, drag radials, torque converter or full exhaust system.

gears #1 improvment (heavy car need big kick in ass)
torque convertor #2 (works good but big stall not always fun in luxury car)
exhaust#3 you should already have done this, usually first mod.
headers (long tube) will be worth 20-25 hp but what about smog? not legal, shorties5-10 hp, worth it? maybe?
blue bottle works good, but like you, don't like nos,
ati procharger works very good on 4v motor , dont forget fuel pump upgrade !!

long tubes as in which i thought kooks were the only ones available to use with out modding the header?

i think kooks make long tubes

I would like to do it natraully aspirated.. Trying to stay outta the NOS.. I would like to do it via pulleys, intake, exhaust? Things of this sort, is it possible? I would also do maybe head work or something of that sort.. What type of gears are you guys running?

Hellllllllllloooooooo! :waving:

What am I? Chopped liver? :slam

Naturally aspirated, no intake work, no headers, stock motor. 13s - check the track forum, last two trips out.

OK, barely 13s, but it's gettin' better! :Beer

I guess it depends on what you consider a bolt-on. Maybe you could do a gear swap and a bolt-on whipple charger. Headers are about $600 and a PITA to get on. Exhaust will get you a few ponies but I dont think you would get more than a few tenths off your E.T. Its actually kinda hard to get a car into the 13's with only bolt-ons especially with these heavy cars.


no whipple charger kits for our cars :(

with just gears and deleted third cat, Im running 14.3s

MarkofDeath, on your cardomain site you have a list of mods including transgo shift kit and BBK pulleys...? Have you not been back to the track yet with those mods?

oh ya i forgot the pullys, my car blew the trans right after i installed them sorry, also the trans go is not a go faster mod it is made to help the trans from slipping and also and little harder shifts

also when my 3500 stall gets here I will get a dyno tune and hope to be in 13s

also the trans go is not a go faster mod it is made to help the trans from slipping and also and little harder shifts actually it does help the car go faster because you don't have as much lag inbetween shifts

ya if your tran slips like a mofo, mine it didnt make a diff in the 1/4 but it shifts fast and firm

ya if your tran slips like a mofo, mine it didnt make a diff in the 1/4 but it shifts fast and firm

not a matter of slipping, the computers and trannys are set up in lincolns so that you can't feel the shift causing the delay, I think this mostly applies to the Gen2's because I know my Gen1 shifts a lot better than my Gen2.

what does the 3500 stall speed torque converter do for you? and what are the effects of this mod drag and normal driving? and also I hear alot about higher gear ratios but wont that kill your gas mileage? and crunch your topend? I mean all I hear about is the 1/4 mile but im in arizona where topend is a key and thats where marks really shine Ive wasted alot of cars with a stock mark because they had no topend so let me know maybe these mods help there to let me know?

well, Im for the super quick 0-60, which I cant wait to measure when I get the stall in. My gas milage is still 26mpg on the highway and 16 around town but with the stall I assume it will go down but I dont care. the stall well its like having a clutch almost. When you floor it you will leave the lline a 1200-1600, now with the high stall I will be blazing the tires up at 3200-3500 of the line

I get 19/23 mpg(city/highway) on my '93 in the hilly terrain I drive in. The gears/converter are more for acceleration than top end.

Torque convertor gets the RPM higher before launch. This gets you into the higher torque range of the engine. Gears do the same thing but give you more torque over the entire range. A torque convertor should not affect your highway milage but the gears will drop you a mpg or two depending on how high you take it. I like my 3.73's, because I drive the highway alot. Others like the 4.10's for a bit more umph.

I'm almost to the 13's, I've had a run or two in the 13's but only when it's cool outside.

I have:
'93 Mark VIII
3.73's
Dual 2 1/2 exhaust
Steeda Cobra timing adjuster
upgraded tranny w/ tranny cooler (a must for racing)
homemade cold air intake

I plan to put on the Steeda Cobra pulleys and I'll be running 13's everyday.

After that I would suggest a ported upper intake as it makes a big difference and a good tune.

I don't have the tune, port job, or the pulleys so 13's are easy...

Mike