On September 11th, 2001.

Does ANYONE here understand that?

Yes. Question is, WHO declared War on the US?

The Taliban, or our own Government?

I really wish people would fold their ears the right way.......

Indeed I do and it is clear that it is not only the taliban, al-quesadia but islamic exremeist. However, it also sems that folks that share the thoughts of frogman are at war with thous countrys sovereignty.

Hey frogman et al read this. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/04/zawahiri.london/

This is the guy that you need to decide that you are either with or against becasue. Please make a choice soon and if you side with this guy please let me know where I can mail your airline tickets to. I will personall pay for oyur airfare to get you there.

I love this portion:

He also warned the U.S. to "stop stealing our oil and wealth and stop supporting corrupt rulers."

Ok I guess paying 60+ dollars a barrel is stealing huh. Certainly we all know well frogman does at least that the taliban were not a gang of thug tyrannizing rulers.

Look,

I've served this country pulling off missions that won't ever be declassified. Even now, retired, I am ready to die for this country its people and its way of life. I am also ready to die IN THE NAME of The United States of America. I've made my peace with my Gods a long time ago. Have you? Will you take up an MP-5 against a foreign invader? Yes? Good. Then we can agree on one subject. Will you take up an MP-5 if your government starts to opress you?

You sir say I am at war with the country's sovereignity. I beg to differ. I just do not agree with the deceptions and cover-ups our political leaders (and more, our current administration) are/is engaged in.

Why is it that when someone supports our troops overseas, but does not support/agree with the WAR itself or with how and what the government is doing, people such as yourself start with the hotlinks, and with the condemnations? I don't have to be part of a muslim/terrorist organization, just because I disagree with the current adminisration's choices and dog wagging. That's the beauty of a Democracy. It's people have the right to criticize their government. You are free to say as you wish... Though, soon, you may be free to say as "they" tell you.

This is where people such as yourself are not very well informed, and follow others, like a lemming. Why don't you get off the mainstream media, and see what you can come up with?
Here is a nice start:

www.whatreallyhappened.com


On the oil:
If the tree huggers in these here United States would stop being such extremists, we could easily drill in the Alaska Wildlife reserve. According to most oil/gas geologists, we have more oil reserves up there than the whole middle east combined.

Look,

I've served this country pulling off missions that won't ever be declassified. Even now, retired, I am ready to die for this country its people and its way of life. I am also ready to die IN THE NAME of The United States of America. I've made my peace with my Gods a long time ago. Have you? Will you take up an MP-5 against a foreign invader? Yes? Good. Then we can agree on one subject. Will you take up an MP-5 if your government starts to opress you?

You sir say I am at war with the country's sovereignity. I beg to differ. I just do not agree with the deceptions and cover-ups our political leaders (and more, our current administration) are/is engaged in.

Why is it that when someone supports our troops overseas, but does not support/agree with the WAR itself or with how and what the government is doing, people such as yourself start with the hotlinks, and with the condemnations? I don't have to be part of a muslim/terrorist organization, just because I disagree with the current adminisration's choices and dog wagging. That's the beauty of a Democracy. It's people have the right to criticize their government. You are free to say as you wish... Though, soon, you may be free to say as "they" tell you.

This is where people such as yourself are not very well informed, and follow others, like a lemming. Why don't you get off the mainstream media, and see what you can come up with?
Here is a nice start:

www.whatreallyhappened.com (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com)


On the oil:
If the tree huggers in these here United States would stop being such extremists, we could easily drill in the Alaska Wildlife reserve. According to most oil/gas geologists, we have more oil reserves up there than the whole middle east combined.

Thank you for you time on the fence for the defence of this and other countries. I stood watch over this country for well over ten years and I have an unwavering love for my god, family, country and coutrymen. I speak to my congressman and senators via phone, mail, and email and challenge as well as thank them. Do you?

Do you even know this history of this war we are fighting? It is 5, 10, 50, 100 or even 200 years old it predates the founding of this nation.

Do me a favor and take a history class and educate yourself about the poeple we are fighting to stop. If you had any clue and any interest in the future of this country ad todays children then you would realize this fight has to be fought and it has to be won and it has to be done TODAY.

I fought it once, I will fight it again and aI will fight those that seek to usurp and destroy my constitution.

I will fight those that seek to usurp and destroy my constitution.

You said it yourself. ;)

I just hope YOU are right, and that I am wrong.

I just do not agree with the deceptions and cover-ups our political leaders (and more, our current administration) are/is engaged in.

I am not worried about guys that run around with one of these. I am worried about guys that run around with this. This is what we are trying to stop. WMD. That is what this is all about.

Who woried about an MP5. I am worried about this. This is what we are trying to stop. WMD. That is what this is all about.

No Doubt! pop, pop, pop or KA :q BOOM

Look,

I've served this country pulling off missions that won't ever be declassified. Even now, retired, I am ready to die for this country its people and its way of life. I am also ready to die IN THE NAME of The United States of America. I've made my peace with my Gods a long time ago. Have you? Will you take up an MP-5 against a foreign invader? Yes? Good. Then we can agree on one subject. Will you take up an MP-5 if your government starts to opress you?

You sir say I am at war with the country's sovereignity. I beg to differ. I just do not agree with the deceptions and cover-ups our political leaders (and more, our current administration) are/is engaged in.

Why is it that when someone supports our troops overseas, but does not support/agree with the WAR itself or with how and what the government is doing, people such as yourself start with the hotlinks, and with the condemnations? I don't have to be part of a muslim/terrorist organization, just because I disagree with the current adminisration's choices and dog wagging. That's the beauty of a Democracy. It's people have the right to criticize their government. You are free to say as you wish... Though, soon, you may be free to say as "they" tell you.

This is where people such as yourself are not very well informed, and follow others, like a lemming. Why don't you get off the mainstream media, and see what you can come up with?
Here is a nice start:

www.whatreallyhappened.com


On the oil:
If the tree huggers in these here United States would stop being such extremists, we could easily drill in the Alaska Wildlife reserve. According to most oil/gas geologists, we have more oil reserves up there than the whole middle east combined.

PREACH IT brother Frogman!! And :W !!

I'll get back to some of eL eS's ignorant, uninformed, presumption-filled comments (on this and other threads) when I have more time, but probably not today.

PREACH IT brother Frogman!! And :W !!

I'll get back to some of eL eS's ignorant, uninformed, presumption-filled comments (on this and other threads) when I have more time, but probably not today.

We know it ususally require a few days for you to prepare your comments to MonsterMark, freefaller, Vitas et al. I know I have forgotten to list some of the brilliant conservative patriots so lease forgive me, any way I digress. Take your time ... I am standing by ready to set you RIGHT as correcting feable socialist jokes I mean commentary is my specialty and patriotic duty.

PREACH IT brother Frogman!! And :W !!

I'll get back to some of eL eS's ignorant, uninformed, presumption-filled comments (on this and other threads) when I have more time, but probably not today.

whattime is Air America on or whatever that socialist radio flap is called... Just wondering as I am certain to hear your retorts either shortly after it comes on or has ended its daily disinformation campaign.

On the oil:
If the tree huggers in these here United States would stop being such extremists, we could easily drill in the Alaska Wildlife reserve. According to most oil/gas geologists, we have more oil reserves up there than the whole middle east combined.

Ido have to agree with you here and forgive mefor not brining this issue up in my origina reply. Just today OBLs number 2 guy is quoted as saying we are stealing their oil and tha wul should stop.

Apparenly there are a lot of people out there that belive paying 60+ dollars a barrel for oil is theft... damn right an we are the ones getting robbed.

I say bring the oil extraction/refinement back home to our turf and let to radical a hole build sand castles in the desert. Our consistent patronage of their oil supply is the only thing that has allowed them to get out of adobe huts and in to brick and mortar homes and shopping malls. Let em go back to riding camels bet ya 10 dollars to a doughnut they come begging for our patronage.

BUILD AMERICAN, BUY AMERICAN FOR AMERICANS. Not to say this would not include consumption of goods from our "TRUSTED" allies.

I am not worried about guys that run around with one of these. I am worried about guys that run around with this. This is what we are trying to stop. WMD. That is what this is all about.


Agreed. I used the MP5 metaphorically, as in taking up arms. Ofcourse, WMD's are a much bigger threat.


Especially the ones in Iraq. ;)

.. WMD's are a much bigger threat.


Especially the ones in Iraq. ;)
You must mean the ones in Syria, Jordan and Iran, not including the ones trucked out by the Ruskies and the ones buried in the sand. People seem to forget. Saddam thought up until the last hours of the invasion that we would blink. He was told by our supposed friends (Germans and Frenchies) that he would survive intact. So the fact he may have donated these weapons and buried some for later is not too far a stretch. Now I will say that alot of his weapons development programs may have been internally artificially inflated by Iraqi scientists to save their own skin. If they couldn't show progress, themselves or a family member were usually snuffed out by Saddam as a penalty.

whattime is Air America on or whatever that socialist radio flap is called... Just wondering as I am certain to hear your retorts either shortly after it comes on or has ended its daily disinformation campaign.

Speaking of Air America, check out my new thread in this forum.
:eek2:

Speaking of Air America, check out my new thread in this forum.
:eek2:

haha! I just read and posted on the your post and ref back to this. Whoa this is weird.

You must mean the ones in Syria, Jordan and Iran, not including the ones trucked out by the Ruskies and the ones buried in the sand. People seem to forget. Saddam thought up until the last hours of the invasion that we would blink. He was told by our supposed friends (Germans and Frenchies) that he would survive intact. So the fact he may have donated these weapons and buried some for later is not too far a stretch. Now I will say that alot of his weapons development programs may have been internally artificially inflated by Iraqi scientists to save their own skin. If they couldn't show progress, themselves or a family member were usually snuffed out by Saddam as a penalty.

Yeah I liken it o law enforcement staking out a drug house but can't move in until the media announces that they might move soon. Drug gealers pack everything up and move, burry some evidence somewhere in town then the cops finally raid the place only to find no drugs....

The everyone wonders why well the stupid people wonder that is. The cops and drug dealers both know what happened but now all the cops have is a bucnh of survailence on cars driving out of the city, county, state then across the border.

The Nation lost 20 heros this week. How bout instead of bickering, you go to the Recruiters office, or to any Marine (retired Marines are still active duty, just disguised as civilians, conducting Recon) and offer a few words of condolence, and support. Fly a flag, write a letter to someone in the military, or even join up (again in some cases).

Support from family and friends really does mean alot. Have a good day, hopefully it's not 116 degrees where you are....

The Nation lost 20 heros this week. How bout instead of bickering, you go to the Recruiters office, or to any Marine (retired Marines are still active duty, just disguised as civilians, conducting Recon) and offer a few words of condolence, and support. Fly a flag, write a letter to someone in the military, or even join up (again in some cases).

Support from family and friends really does mean alot. Have a good day, hopefully it's not 116 degrees where you are....

Semper Fi shipmate, you are after all a dept of the Navy :). I have not visited the MCs recruiters office but I do visit the avy recruiter and have had the pleasure of telling new recruits how the USN improved my life and granted me the opportunity to learn about the world at the same time.

My wife and I bow our heads and pray for both the living and fallen heros everyday. I have two children, 1 son and 1 daughter, and I thnk the lord every day for the heros working to fortify the future for my children.

BUt you make a good point! I will stop in their office next time I am up there.They are just one door down and as much I consider the grunts shipmates they are the super heros I pray for each day.

The Nation lost 20 heros this week. How bout instead of bickering, you go to the Recruiters office, or to any Marine (retired Marines are still active duty, just disguised as civilians, conducting Recon) and offer a few words of condolence, and support. Fly a flag, write a letter to someone in the military, or even join up (again in some cases).

Support from family and friends really does mean alot. Have a good day, hopefully it's not 116 degrees where you are....

Hey Brother! Nice to see you got a chance to log on out there. That can be quite a morale booster...I know. I certainly hope you are getting a little break from the stress.

My heart is with you on the loss of such fine warriors. They will be missed. We have several Devil Dogs on my base and they are having a ceremony tomorrow to honor those fallen heroes. I'll be there at 0900 "dressed and pressed"...it's the least this Air Farce Sargeant can do.

Stay Frosty...Stay safe...But most importantly...Give em hell.

Look,

I've served this country pulling off missions that won't ever be declassified. Even now, retired, I am ready to die for this country its people and its way of life. I am also ready to die IN THE NAME of The United States of America. I've made my peace with my Gods a long time ago. Have you? Will you take up an MP-5 against a foreign invader? Yes? Good. Then we can agree on one subject. Will you take up an MP-5 if your government starts to opress you?

You sir say I am at war with the country's sovereignity. I beg to differ. I just do not agree with the deceptions and cover-ups our political leaders (and more, our current administration) are/is engaged in.

Why is it that when someone supports our troops overseas, but does not support/agree with the WAR itself or with how and what the government is doing, people such as yourself start with the hotlinks, and with the condemnations? I don't have to be part of a muslim/terrorist organization, just because I disagree with the current adminisration's choices and dog wagging. That's the beauty of a Democracy. It's people have the right to criticize their government. You are free to say as you wish... Though, soon, you may be free to say as "they" tell you.

This is where people such as yourself are not very well informed, and follow others, like a lemming. Why don't you get off the mainstream media, and see what you can come up with?
Here is a nice start:

www.whatreallyhappened.com


On the oil:
If the tree huggers in these here United States would stop being such extremists, we could easily drill in the Alaska Wildlife reserve. According to most oil/gas geologists, we have more oil reserves up there than the whole middle east combined.

Proof that ANYBODY can become deceived!

Ya know, New Yorkers still live with the memory of the terror dealt by Islam, and they know that the next strike will likely be them again because New York is the trade center of the West. If this fear made them leave New York, our economy would eventually fall. This can only be a plan by Islam, NOT our own. New Yorkers think that the rest of America has forgotten and doesn't care. To deny the truth that Islam wants America to fall -- to deny the pain and fear New Yorkers DEAL with, and to deny the war against Muslim extremism -- is to be as UN-AMERICAN as possible.

This is where people such as yourself are not very well informed, and follow others, like a lemming. Why don't you get off the mainstream media, and see what you can come up with?
Are you another conspiracy theorist? One that'll believe all the far-fetched lies of the extreme left? I've done my homework and sifted through most of the facts and accusations. I sleep well at night knowing our leadership is doing the best they can to keep us safe and free here at home. I salute all those who have fought for our cause. I shake my head in disbelief at those who so quickly abandon common sense and chase after every false rumor and twisted he-said she-said accusation. We cannot avoid every confrontation. And sometimes the best way to lessen the damage is to strike first. This is basic. I'm really sorry if that is too hard to comprehend. It's happened countless times in history. It happens when cops go after criminals. I grieve for those that have fallen. But I firmly believe that they have saved countless lives by their sacrifice. And I'll say it again: If we abandon the Middle East now or in the future, someone else will control that oil supply and use that power against us eventually. We have no choice but to be a part of what's going on there.

Yes. Question is, WHO declared War on the US?

The Taliban, or our own Government?

I really wish people would fold their ears the right way.......

Make your point.

Make your point.

Liberals can't, haven't and won't. They are pointless and are impotent in all regards except their promoition of socialism in America.

Yeah, THIS is the guy they've got out front proclaiming their agenda. Real winner, huh?

Damn... Let's start with the personal attacks why dont we?

Look, call me what you wish. I don't really give a hoot. I know what I know, and you know what you know. I'll just leave it at that. I'm not about to get into an argument over the internet.

Arguing over the internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, yo're still a retard.

Look,

I've served this country pulling off missions that won't ever be declassified. Even now, retired, I am ready to die for this country its people and its way of life. I am also ready to die IN THE NAME of The United States of America. I've made my peace with my Gods a long time ago. Have you? Will you take up an MP-5 against a foreign invader? Yes? Good. Then we can agree on one subject. Will you take up an MP-5 if your government starts to opress you?

You sir say I am at war with the country's sovereignity. I beg to differ. I just do not agree with the deceptions and cover-ups our political leaders (and more, our current administration) are/is engaged in.

Why is it that when someone supports our troops overseas, but does not support/agree with the WAR itself or with how and what the government is doing, people such as yourself start with the hotlinks, and with the condemnations? I don't have to be part of a muslim/terrorist organization, just because I disagree with the current adminisration's choices and dog wagging. That's the beauty of a Democracy. It's people have the right to criticize their government. You are free to say as you wish... Though, soon, you may be free to say as "they" tell you.

This is where people such as yourself are not very well informed, and follow others, like a lemming. Why don't you get off the mainstream media, and see what you can come up with?
Here is a nice start:

www.whatreallyhappened.com


On the oil:
If the tree huggers in these here United States would stop being such extremists, we could easily drill in the Alaska Wildlife reserve. According to most oil/gas geologists, we have more oil reserves up there than the whole middle east combined.

We will have to examine this further.

Vitas

Just remember that Bush doesn't want this to be know as an "act of war" because if it was, he'd have to follow the Geneva conventions for treatment of prisoners of war (and not "terror suspects" as they are known). They wouldn't be able to hold them indefinitely . They wouldn't be able to "coerce" answers from them either. And the Congress wouldn't have much grounds for shoving the Patriot Act down your throats either if this was a mere "act of war". Nope...Bush definitely doesn't want this know as an act of war..

so you want to give non-uniformed terrorist geneva convention rights. Look these guys are already getting better treatment than any of our POWs ever received.

Further, the ongoing war was approved by the us congress... the president canot declare war unilatterally.

Tell your terrorist friends to start wearing uniforms and we migt onsider granting them the rights of UNIFORMED COMBATANTS.

Damn... Let's start with the personal attacks why dont we?There are ways to deal with those that make personal attacks. Don't duck out because of the tone of the debate. You can steer the tone of the debate to your advantage with research and well thought out replies. You guys on the left are giving up too easily. A lot of the guys on the right are giving you great fodder, but you're ignoring it. Don't expect any help from me, though.
Arguing over the internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, yo're still a retard.HEY!! I resemble that remark!
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/200/1549/320/retard.jpg
(no offense to those that are truly handicapped in any way :Beer )

Damn... Let's start with the personal attacks why dont we?

Look, call me what you wish. I don't really give a hoot. I know what I know, and you know what you know. I'll just leave it at that. I'm not about to get into an argument over the internet.

Arguing over the internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, yo're still a retard.

1. I hope you don't think I was referring to you. I meant that comment about Al Franken being the guy out front proclaiming the agenda. The timing of my post was such that several other posts jumped in b/f mine.

2. "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

- Ronald Reagan

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

- Ronald Reagan
*owned*

I have been looking for a reason to use this and if there ever was a moment it was when he made this quote. Since they didn't have smileys then...

This one is for the Gipper!

Here is a nice start:

www.whatreallyhappened.com (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/)



Well now there is a pretty hate-filled site. Not one solution on the site to any problem. Just get the bastard Bush and get out of Iraq.

I guess it is going to take a couple more terrorist attacks on OUR soil to get it thru people's thick skulls. This is a world war, pitting Islamic fascism against the rest of the free world. With all the WMD's floating around, the party is almost over. I can feel the panic now.

Frogman, btw, thanks for your service to this country.

Let me ask you a question.

Did Bush attack Saddam because Saddam was in violation of 15+ United Nation's resolutions and because of the intel he was provided by both United States and other Countries around the world, including France and Germany, or did he attack Saddam to fatten the wallets of his buddies and revenge his father's failure?

Just interested to see where you really stand!

Arguing over the internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, yo're still a retard.Sensitivity training classes start in the fall semester.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif