Hey guys on the right. We need to regroup and discuss some issues. Please PM me with a time that you may be able to attend a chat session and I'll set it up so most of us can attend.

It seems there is a little too much conflict at this point in the forum and not everybody is enjoying themselves the way they are entitled to.

I would like to have just the guys on the right join in this group chat discussion so we can work out a way to communicate that gets our points across without alienating our fellow brethren on the left.

We need to be able to have civil discourse which explores all facets of an issue without the heat being turned up too high and making people feel uncomfortable.

Help me out. Let's do a chat session and come to an agreement. Thanks.

PM me a time that will work.

It seems there is a little too much conflict at this point in the forum and not everybody is enjoying themselves the way they are entitled to.

I think that the key to "these" kind of issues being debated is that people, from both sides, need to discuss in a logical, and factual, manner.

Neither side is 100% correct about anything. Both sides keep each other in check. That is our system. Perhaps it would be even better if there were a third party to keep both existant sides in check.

But, I have to tell you, what really ticks me off is when one side, usually Republicans, spend a considerable amount of time presenting a cogent point of view, and the other side responds with, only, "oh, your guy is stupid."

How can you possibly have a civil debate with that kind of attitude?

IMO - its simple - debate and criticize the issue, not the person.

Name calling is completely uncalled for IMO.

Think of it this way. Sitting in your local coffee shop, you wouldnt tell someone they were stupid - you might say the idea was, but you wouldnt call a person stupid to their face, thats just plain rude. Its uncalled for, be it face to face or behind the protective curtain of the computer keyboard.

IMO - its simple - debate and criticize the issue, not the person.
Think of it this way. Sitting in your local coffee shop, you wouldnt tell someone they were stupid - you might say the idea was, but you wouldnt call a person stupid to their face, thats just plain rude. Its uncalled for, be it face to face or behind the protective curtain of the computer keyboard.

Yes. If they did, they would be buying you beers for the rest of the night.

-lol-

I think that the key to "these" kind of issues being debated is that people, from both sides, need to discuss in a logical, and factual, manner.

Neither side is 100% correct about anything. Both sides keep each other in check. That is our system. Perhaps it would be even better if there were a third party to keep both existant sides in check.

But, I have to tell you, what really ticks me off is when one side, usually Republicans, spend a considerable amount of time presenting a cogent point of view, and the other side responds with, only, "oh, your guy is stupid."

How can you possibly have a civil debate with that kind of attitude?

Or, more often, they call you or me stupid.

Or, more often, they call you or me stupid.

Either way, I'll take the free beers. HAHAHA

IMO - its simple - debate and criticize the issue, not the person.

Name calling is completely uncalled for IMO.

Think of it this way. Sitting in your local coffee shop, you wouldnt tell someone they were stupid - you might say the idea was, but you wouldnt call a person stupid to their face, thats just plain rude. Its uncalled for, be it face to face or behind the protective curtain of the computer keyboard.

Joey: Do you realize that the infantile cartoon of our President that you attach to all your posts is a form of name calling? When you include this cartoon, you are criticizing the person, not the issue.

*owned*

HAHA, I really just wanted an excuse to use the owned emoticon, even though I don't think it's entirely appropriate here. :Beer

So when are we gonna do this?

Joey: Do you realize that the infantile cartoon of our President that you attach to all your posts is a form of name calling? When you include this cartoon, you are criticizing the person, not the issue.


Lets clarify this. This is my understanding of the rules as Bryan and I have discussed them.

It's OK to rip on public and political figures but it's not OK to rip on each other. If I wish to call GWB stupid I'm entitled to do so, it's my opinion. If you want to say that Liberals are stupid, that's your opinion. If you say that I am stupid, that's bad form.

We all might be better off if we simply state IMO or IMHO as a preface to our statements. As I stated in an earlier post, an opinion can't be right or wrong. By definition an opinion is just an opinion and we are all entitled to them.

We also might not want to use smileys to denote sarcasm. They can be misinterpreted. Sarcasm, in general, doesn't translate well to the written word and has been cause for some big battles here.

Bryan and I have been in contact to try to tone things down here so that our ideas get expressed in a logical manner. This is not a battle ground. We need to listen to each other. Bryan has changed my views on some subjects as has Kbob and others. Freefaller has opened my eyes many times. I hope that I have presented some arguments that have made people think about an opposing view point.

I'm not out to change your views. I am simply stating my case so that there is a basis of understanding. We can agree to disagree as Bryan and I have many times. What we have learned is that we can respect each other without agreeing with each other. It's worked for us. We have found that we have more in common that our superficial ideologies would let you believe.

So when are we gonna do this?How about Saturday night at 9:00 EST in chat? Righties only so we can express ourselves freely. If we don't get a good showing then we will try for one of the worknights next week.

Send a PM if you are in for tonight or not.

[QUOTE=barry2952]Lets clarify this. This is my understanding of the rules as Bryan and I have discussed them.

It's OK to rip on public and political figures but it's not OK to rip on each other. If I wish to call GWB stupid I'm entitled to do so, it's my opinion. If you want to say that Liberals are stupid, that's your opinion. If you say that I am stupid, that's bad form.
(end quote)


I don't know what the "rules" might say, but it's not OK with me. When you start with sophomoric cartoons and calling the President "stupid," you are setting the tone for an acrimonious debate to follow. It is this name calling in general which leads quickly to name calling in particular. Raising the level of civility will require raising the level of intelligence in the posts.

You are entitled to your opinion. If you are offended by this format you need to address your concerns to Joeychicago and MonsterMark. They are at both ends of the political spectrum and they are the Administrators so they get to choose the format. Forums of this nature are not a democracy. They have well established the desired level of acrimony long before you came along. No one is forcing you to participate.

When I first got here I had the same complaints. While not a big fan of John Kerry I voted for him anyway. It was the first time I voted for a Democrat. I was horribly put off by many of the ways that Bryan and others depicted Kerry. I was told to grow a thicker skin.

Stick around. I believe you will see the civility bar raised a few notches. If not, many of us will be gone.

I believe you will see the civility bar raised a few notches. If not, many of us will be gone.Man I hope I don't have to play with myself.

RB3, I agree with you about respect for the Presidency.

In the last 1-1/2 years, since the board was started, I have deleted (I think 3 posts) that whole time. I believe in free speech and hate boards that are heavily moderated. I expect the guys that contribute here to settle their own disputes like adults. That said, things do get heated in here. I myself tend to try to turn up the heat. I find it much more interesting. If everyone that participates has a thick skin, then people can have fun. If you don't take everything seriously, then you can really have fun.

All I ever ask is if you give, be willing to receive and keep your comments non-personal. Nobody likes slurs and hurling and thankfully we have had little of that here. This is not a high-brow political forum with a bunch of guys wearing bow-ties facing off against tree-huggers. We are just a bunch of guys who own either a Lincoln or a Cadillac, or both. We use this forum to 'stretch our legs' once in a while.

I personally do not like going on political forums. Way too dry for me. Most of them are either left devoted or right devoted with the guys preaching to the choir. That is what I like about this place. It is not all left or right. It is not quite 50-50 but the guys on the left do a good job of keeping up and keeping us entertained.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif Hopefully they can recruit a few more bodies.

Anyway, welcome, have fun, and don't take things too seriously. Believe me, I think you will find the place a great place to hang out but just remember to bring the thick skin with you.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif

Man I hope I don't have to play with myself.
:rolleyes:

RB3, I agree with you about respect for the Presidency.

That would cut both ways. Bryan is know for his distain of Hilary. Some of his posts have been truly tasteless. Should she be elected (God forbid!) will he show respect for the Presidency? I doubt it.

Like Bryan said. If you're willing to dish it out you've got to be willing to take it. Your boy is not perfect and gives us all the fuel we'll ever need.

You'll notice that I always spell President with a capital "P" because I do have respect for the office. I just have no respect for GWB.

I don't know what the "rules" might say, but it's not OK with me. When you start with sophomoric cartoons and calling the President "stupid," you are setting the tone for an acrimonious debate to follow. It is this name calling in general which leads quickly to name calling in particular. Raising the level of civility will require raising the level of intelligence in the posts.
:I but you cant raise someone's intelligence for them ;)

but then on the other hand since were all so polarized on issues and certain issues have a truth side and a "fabricated" side.... it's hard not to call a spade a spade. people who continue to believe in a story based on fabrications are only getting off easy by being called stupid.... i can think of some much harsher and more fitting words. sometimes political correctness SUX!! (btw, im not pointing a finger at libs here cuz im am pretty sure the libs feel the same way about the way we conservatives think... this makes it a MOOT POINT)

And about moot point.... thats about what we got here usually. were all preaching to the chior while throwing fuel on the fire. Me and barry felt like killing each other once til we stepped back and figured... hey isnt this silly?! would never happen like this in real life. I'm a hot head when it comes to arguing politics as are many others here.... when things get out of hand it's best to take a break!!!


there is my two cents.... i cant make it tonight unless the chat goes long. wont be home til about 10pm est

Me and barry felt like killing each other once til we stepped back and figured... hey isnt this silly?! would never happen like this in real life.

When I was in Military School (my total military experience) I duked it out with a lot of guys. Somehow those fights developed into friendships. Must be a guy thing. The same thing has happened here. I'm sure I'd like Bryan and Freefaller and most of you if we met. We just wouldn't talk politics.

That would cut both ways. Bryan is know for his distain of Hilary. Some of his posts have been truly tasteless. Should she be elected (God forbid!) will he show respect for the Presidency? I doubt it.No doubt that would be an intense challenge for me. Thankfully, I'll never have to cross that bridge.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif Man, would I be one unhappy camper. But if it did happen, I'd really be a hypocrite to not support her, so I would have to just to save face.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon9.gif

You are entitled to your opinion. If you are offended by this format you need to address your concerns to Joeychicago and MonsterMark. They are at both ends of the political spectrum and they are the Administrators so they get to choose the format. Forums of this nature are not a democracy. They have well established the desired level of acrimony long before you came along. No one is forcing you to participate.

When I first got here I had the same complaints. While not a big fan of John Kerry I voted for him anyway. It was the first time I voted for a Democrat. I was horribly put off by many of the ways that Bryan and others depicted Kerry. I was told to grow a thicker skin.

Stick around. I believe you will see the civility bar raised a few notches. If not, many of us will be gone.

I am not offended by the format, nor did I express offense at the format. And I did address my reply to Joey. Your reply to me was in essence that it is OK to call the President stupid, but not to call you stupid, because those are the "rules." My reponse was quite simply, it isn't OK to call anyone stupid if you hope to raise the civility level, regardless of the "rules."

This string began as an invitation to Conservatives to discuss ways to increase the level of civility. That's why I posted here. Yet the third post in the string contained a derogatory and disrespectful cartoon of the President, while suggesting that the name calling needs to stop. I agree with the sentiment. I also could not help but point out the obvious disconnect between the sentiment and the cartoon. You can't have it both ways.

I will reiterate my observation: The civility level will rise only when all the name calling stops, not just selected name calling. Calling the President "Shrub" and "stupid" and calling those of us on the right side of the aisle "Repugs" is not civil, nor is it a coherent political argument.

No doubt that would be an intense challenge for me. Thankfully, I'll never have to cross that bridge.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif Man, would I be one unhappy camper. But if it did happen, I'd really be a hypocrite to not support her, so I would have to just to save face.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon9.gif


So, to your way of thinking it's OK to bash Clinton (I can post a thousand examples) but it's not OK to bash the current administration. If that's not hypocritical I don't know what is. Was Clinton not "President"?

Can I make a distinction between current (sitting) and past?

I think most of my best friends made a bad first impression on me... i dunno why.... it's weird but true.

And, duking it out is the way men realize their stubborness, lol. a pop in the face that sends one's head spinnin' usually makes him question, "what was all that for?"

and yeah.... its much easier to fight politics with people online cuz we dont have the luxury of reaching out and punching each other in the brain! I rarely push politics on someone unless i think they are conservative like I.... because I'd rather not degrade a normal relationship into one of hate. Which may be why we all love slingin' politics online... we dont get to do it enough in the real world.... and we dont care who we bash online.

I don't know what the "rules" might say, but it's not OK with me. When you start with sophomoric cartoons and calling the President "stupid," you are setting the tone for an acrimonious debate to follow. It is this name calling in general which leads quickly to name calling in particular. Raising the level of civility will require raising the level of intelligence in the posts.

Um, so your suggesting that all the political cartoons in the newspaper should go as well? How about Jay Leno's comments, and david letterman's also. Come on RB3. Political cartoons and political satire have been around at least as long as the United States - Ive seen them from the George Wshington era.

I am concerned about how we treat each other here on LVC. I am not interested in limiting your speech. I am merely saying that you dont have to attack each other while debating these issues.

Can I make a distinction between current (sitting) and past?


Can you? I don't understand your response.

two wrongs dont make a right, and you don't have to deface the president.

if you were to be introduced to GWB tomorrow, would you wear a shirt with that image on it?

two wrongs dont make a right, and you don't have to deface the president.

if you were to be introduced to GWB tomorrow, would you wear a shirt with that image on it?

Are you willing to cease bashing Liberals, Democrats and anyone else that doesn't agree with you? Somehow I can't see that happening.

two wrongs dont make a right, and you don't have to deface the president.

if you were to be introduced to GWB tomorrow, would you wear a shirt with that image on it?

If he was wearing a shirt like that he wouldn't be allowed near the president. They only allow "supporters" into Shrub functions, not anyone who might disagree with him.

Um, so your suggesting that all the political cartoons in the newspaper should go as well? How about Jay Leno's comments, and david letterman's also. Come on RB3. Political cartoons and political satire have been around at least as long as the United States - Ive seen them from the George Wshington era.

I am concerned about how we treat each other here on LVC. I am not interested in limiting your speech. I am merely saying that you dont have to attack each other while debating these issues.



Y'all are the ones that expressed an interest in raising the level of civility in the political discussions. I am merely pointing out that you aren't going to accomplish that by illustrating your points with a cartoon of the President making him look like a monkey.

And last time I checked, Letterman and Leno don't post on this board. :eek:

If he was wearing a shirt like that he wouldn't be allowed near the president. They only allow "supporters" into Shrub functions, not anyone who might disagree with him.I guess you never made it to any Kerry rallies, eh. Same stuff goes on there, only ratcheted up a notch. I know, I was there and was denied access and I didn't even have a "I hate Kerry' shirt on.

So, to your way of thinking it's OK to bash Clinton (I can post a thousand examples) but it's not OK to bash the current administration. If that's not hypocritical I don't know what is. Was Clinton not "President"?

Check my posts to be sure, but I don't think I ever called Clinton a liar, although he clearly lied. I never called him a lecher, although clearly he acted like one. I haven't ever called him "Worst President Ever", although in my opinion history will probably judge him to be high on that list. I haven't ever called him any names on this forum. I instead choose to attack his actions and let others draw their own conclusions.

However:

I think it's ok that you guys criticize the President. It makes for good debate.

But it's an altogether different thing to refer to "us" as "Repugs" and other similar slurs, such as "stupid", "ignorant", "crack pipe smokers", "red kool aid drinkers", etc. When you direct it at one or more of us in particular, then the bashing becomes personal and hateful and ceases to be about the issues.

Again, you are responding to something that was addressed to someone else. Bryan is the one that has posted all the slurs and offensive pictures. You really need to read the posts before you respond for others. These are pretty bright guys. They can respond for themselves.

If you had attended the chat last night (which I was invited to after only one "Conservative" attended) you would have learned that the slur format will remain as long as both sides do it.

I've been asked to get your opposition to tone things down and eliminate the personal attacks. I assume Bryan will do the same.

You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion remains that GWB is the "Worst President Ever".

Again, you are responding to something that was addressed to someone else. Bryan is the one that has posted all the slurs and offensive pictures. You really need to read the posts before you respond for others. These are pretty bright guys. They can respond for themselves.

If you had attended the chat last night (which I was invited to after only one "Conservative" attended) you would have learned that the slur format will remain as long as both sides do it.

I've been asked to get your opposition to tone things down and eliminate the personal attacks. I assume Bryan will do the same.

You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion remains that GWB is the "Worst President Ever".

I don't need the likes of you to tell me what to read or how to post. I can handle it myself, thanks. I will post wherever and however I want. It's still a free country, despite you libs' best efforts to change that.

And I never got a pm telling me where the chat was, so obviously I didn't attend.

I wish I could have attended... but my night went on longer than i thought.... got home at 11

Are you willing to cease bashing Liberals, Democrats and anyone else that doesn't agree with you? Somehow I can't see that happening.
heh heh... well... I'm willing to try but your right..... somehow, i dont see that happening either.... not anytime in the near future. but i can and am curbing it a bit here.

Whoaaaaa

I think we all need a break!!

I think we can all bring it down a notch.... no need to put any condescending labels on anyone. We can judge the issues and express distain for them... but why towards individuals on this board? Can't we at least operate on the presumtion that we will all listen to each other repectfully and possibly evaluate and apply others opinions to our own? There are ways to disagree objectively... and there are ways to disagree like smart ass jerks. Sure its fun to be a smart ass jerk, lol... but not fun for everybody, and not fun for long.

edit: oh cool, that word made it through the filter.... now who can i call names? hmmmmm.... :N

One of the things discussed last night was creating a separate forum for the Political Discussion. Also discussed was the complaint that too many of the posts from this segment are ending up on the "Today's Posts" and causing people to sift through the political to get to the automotive. Both these items are being considered.

I would suggest that limiting the use of smileys in the Political Discussion would also help. I believe that they are often misinterpreted and are often meant to denote sarcasm, which rarely translates well to the written word.

Most of my computer time is during the weekdays, so sorry I haven't been here since Friday afternoon. I really wanted to be at the chat session. Here's my 1/50th of a dollar:

I've been here pretty much since the beginning. Trust me, this forum did not start out as conservative. It was basically Bryan against everybody. I made the decision to join the fray. It's been mostly fun. There have been some that crept in that have raised the meter of hostility. I have been guilty of rising to that same level from time to time to "fight fire with fire." It seems now that there are more conservative posters here (at least those that actually make a meaningful contribution) than liberal posters. I may be wrong, and I welcome all points of view, however small. I realize that for some, making a post in the political section can be a big step. So I hate to jump on newbies right off the bat unless they make an outlandish comment.

For some reason I guess I have understood Bryan and his humor and his manner of communication from the onset. And after a couple of weeks I got used to Johnny and his very blunt, no humor, I-don't-care-if-you-like-me, here's-my-opinion-so-take-it-or-shove-it style. Phil likes to post editorials. I used to have a hang up about that, but now I see that they stir debate. And I don't have to read them if I don't want to, and often it's fun discrediting them point by point. And sometimes I may even agree on some points in the article (although I rarely say so). Barry is more complicated. But given time, I have grown to tolerate him and his combative (albeit inconsistent) ways. Sometimes he's a wise teacher, and sometimes he's calling for Bryans head. Again, that's part of the fun. Because really, we're not just discussing topics. We're getting to know each other and maybe even forming some kind of combative bond.

The newer guys that have become active lately are trying to fit in. It's not going to be the same around here with each new, active poster that joins. So we do need to understand that and be more tolerant. As far as smilies go, I think they have their place. Maybe we need even more. Maybe Joey can start a new political web-site with links to it on all his other sites. I don't know. But some of the new guys can definitely handle themselves. And I can understand their hostility to be honest, as I had those same hostilities before I figured out how to fit some of you in to our community. And I want Joey to keep his avatar. Bryan had some good ones of Kerry last year. I agree with the political satire. We need it. It keeps us on our toes. I don't mind being called a Repug and it doesn't bother me seeing "BuSh". Just like it didn't bother me to see "sKerry". Anyway, that's it for now. Peace, love, and happiness.

Well Said, Kbob. :Beer

At least I'm consistantly inconsistant. :Beer

Nice summation, Kbob.

I can honestly say that I like everyone that is currently on this forum from what I've read in their posts. I wish some of the older (from their join date, not necessarily age), liberal guys would post more often like they used to. Joey used to post here a lot more, but he's probably busier than he used to be. Punisher always had some good comments. And where has Ron been? Probably smoking a joint. Pepsi was a true, level-headed, stand-up, center of the aisle type as well. I could go on and on with individuals, but you get my point. It's a sad part of life that people continually come and go and you lose track of them. But we're here now, so let's make the best of it.

I think you liberals should start your own thread so you can talk about us conservatives. I can feel the love now. :V

I can honestly say that I like everyone that is currently on this forum...

Give it time. :Bang

...... And after a couple of weeks I got used to Johnny and his very blunt, no humor, I-don't-care-if-you-like-me, here's-my-opinion-so-take-it-or-shove-it style.

WOW, I'll take that as a compliment! You're allright, Kbob! We rarely see eye to eye, but you are a straight shooter. No BS. :Beer

If by straight shooter you mean directly through the heart, I'll agree with you.

I think he's more Liberal than he lets on.

Shoot...Johnny can get me all sorts of twisted mad...but he's still a cool guy. Hell, I remember my first time in this forum I came out swinging...but I gradually learned to respect the views of those that do not agree with me and try not to antagonize, but rather state my opinion so that others may try to understand why I feel the way I feel.

But like Bryan said...a little bit of anger can fire up a conversation...just a little bit though. Lest we go to far and ruin what has turned into a good internet circle of "friends"

Johnny, Bryan, Phil, Barry, Kbob, Joey.... :yourock:

Joke time, just to lighten things up....

Joke time, just to lighten things up....
now that's my kinda girl!!! :waving:

i understand that wednesdays are chat nights, yes? I suggest we all start attending them so we can have fun chatting to each other without talking politics. maybe by getting to know each other, we will be more civil to each other in the political forum. cmon everybody.... lets rally for more participation on wednesday nights!

i understand that wednesdays are chat nights, yes? I suggest we all start attending them so we can have fun chatting to each other without talking politics. maybe by getting to know each other, we will be more civil to each other in the political forum. cmon everybody.... lets rally for more participation on wednesday nights!This is actually a good idea. RRocket (Ron) broke the ice with me after a few battles with him by inviting me to chat. We had a good time. I miss that guy. Too bad he sold his Lincoln and owns a Lexus now (the snob ;) ).

Too bad he sold his Lincoln and owns a Lexus now (the snob ;) ).Yeh, and I'm still waiting to race his RiceRocket. I'd like to make a nice stir-fry with his fried rice.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon12.gif

WHat about a politics chat night? Seperate from the other chat night?





i understand that wednesdays are chat nights, yes? I suggest we all start attending them so we can have fun chatting to each other without talking politics. maybe by getting to know each other, we will be more civil to each other in the political forum. cmon everybody.... lets rally for more participation on wednesday nights!

WHat about a politics chat night? Seperate from the other chat night?
my experience with politics chat such as in paltalk is that there is a lot of disorganization and bickering. if there were to be a politics chat night here i would suggest something like conservative tuesday and liberal thursday, and keep the mixed political chat to the forum where there is more order. Its tough to be organized and complete thoughts when you chat line by line as chat is scrolling by quickly. wednesdays i would suggest a non written rule where we would just not talk politics... the point is to get to know each and be friendly with others outside of politics... so that maybe when we meet on the politics forum, maybe some of us can more respect those who get us fired up otherwise.

We talk enough politics here. If there was a chat night, it should be solely for the purpose of getting to know each other. That type of communication goes a long way to helping one another understand one another, and like I've said before, is still my greatest challenge, understanding the other 48%.

We talk enough politics here. If there was a chat night, it should be solely for the purpose of getting to know each other. That type of communication goes a long way to helping one another understand one another, and like I've said before, is still my greatest challenge, understanding the other 48%.
ya i agree... i never did a chat night here so see ya tonight. :Beer

Well, I was at chat at 9 pm last night. It was me, Bryan, and brentalan. Where was everyone? Time to put your money where your mouth is.

I was there at 9:00, 9:30 and 9:40. I crashed at 10:00. I saw someone check out as I got on. I saw brentalan's name at about 9:40 but I got no response when I said Hi.

Well, I was at chat at 9 pm last night. It was me, Bryan, and brentalan. Where was everyone? Time to put your money where your mouth is.Ya, we chatted it up for about an hour and a half. Ken, good news, no hangover.

Its summertime - people are busy - people are out later - chat is slow in the summer...

Well, I was at chat at 9 pm last night. It was me, Bryan, and brentalan. Where was everyone? Time to put your money where your mouth is.
i popped in an out all night from about 8 - 11 and nobody was in there.

I guess me and Brent and Ken are the Invisible Men. I forgot, you have to have a Diner's Club card to get it in. Better luck next time.http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/icons/icon10.gif

I saw brentalan's name at about 9:40 but I got no response when I said Hi.I noticed he doesn't say much. I'd ask 2 or 3 questions, then I'd get a "yep" answer or something. Maybe he just doesn't like you and me :Beer .

Ken, good news, no hangover.Vodka, the wonder liquor!

I noticed he doesn't say much. I'd ask 2 or 3 questions, then I'd get a "yep" answer or something. Maybe he just doesn't like you and me :Beer .


He must like you better. At least he said "yep" to you.

I think I figured out the problem. Chicago is on Central and Detroit is on Eastern. I'll need to check in after 10:00 EST.

i understand that wednesdays are chat nights, yes? I suggest we all start attending them so we can have fun chatting to each other without talking politics. maybe by getting to know each other, we will be more civil to each other in the political forum. cmon everybody.... lets rally for more participation on wednesday nights!

WTF??? I just saw this...I missed another one!!!

Catcha next week.