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Need Help!! lincoln wont start after going thru water

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Posted by: Megaboink

I lend my car to my nephew,

while driving on the highway it started to pour, heavy down pour, too fast too soon. He and everyone else decide to continued thru 2/12 feet of of water,

then the car stalled out and that it! it clicks but wont start. what could be under there that could cause not to start? i understand stalling when under water for that moment. but 1 day and a half later still wont start, only clicks. what should i do besides checking the sparks plugs for water? and info that could help is greatly appreciated.

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaboink

I lend my car to my nephew,

while driving on the highway it started to pour, heavy down pour, too fast too soon. He and everyone else decide to continued thru 2/12 feet of of water,

There is a possibility that the engine hydro locked and is toast. The starter might also be toast due to getting submerged.

Posted by: MonsterMark

I'd start with the starter. Have that checked 1st.

Posted by: lincolnboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaboink

I lend my car to my nephew,

while driving on the highway it started to pour, heavy down pour, too fast too soon. He and everyone else decide to continued thru 2/12 feet of of water,

let it dry. could have water in some of the electrical and needs to dry....

Posted by: FreeFaller

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I'd start with the starter. Have that checked 1st.

start simple...start cheap.

Posted by: Megaboink

I'll wait a few more days if it dont start then i'll go for the started. will let u know how i made out

ty for the info. anymore ideas from anyone else is welcome.

Posted by: Lincolns Own

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Originally Posted by Megaboink

anymore ideas from anyone else is welcome.

dont drive it through water?

Posted by: dertyclown

you are eather really fu#KED or really luckey

Posted by: driller

Kill your nephew.

Posted by: 94m5

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Originally Posted by driller

Kill your nephew.

I would normally agree with you driller, but how old is your nephew? I could see a beginning driver doing something like that, but no one with some time under his belt.

I hope you got away with some minor water soaking. If thats the case, let it dry out and it should work. If not, I feel for ya.

Mike

Posted by: Dern Humpus

water doesnt compress too well...

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dern Humpus

water doesnt compress too well...

Exactly. If water got into the engine then the sparkplugs need to be removed and then the engine cranked over or major damage will occur if it hasn't already.

Posted by: driller

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94m5

I would normally agree with you driller, but how old is your nephew? I could see a beginning driver doing something like that, but no one with some time under his belt.

I'm just an old cynic.

Years ago, my brother-in-law 'borrowed' my '76 Caddy. I had to have it towed after it 'overheated'. I could not get it to crank, had it taken to a garage where they found the pistons melted in the 500 cube powerplant. Mysteriously, my brother-in-law had left town. Probably a good thing.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaboink

I lend my car to my nephew,

while driving on the highway it started to pour, heavy down pour, too fast too soon. He and everyone else decide to continued thru 2/12 feet of of water,

A question nobody asked is if you did any 'customizing' to the stock air intake system? That may have made the water situation more problematic.

Posted by: Rope

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaboink

I lend my car to my nephew,

while driving on the highway it started to pour, heavy down pour, too fast too soon. He and everyone else decide to continued thru 2/12 feet of of water,

You mention that all that happen is that it only clicks, so I take it that the engine don't turn over right? if that the case you may want to check your battery, wires last and not lease your starter.

Posted by: Megaboink

Kill my nephew sounds good >:>( but can't have them both dead. he's 22 and the car is a 94 i am sure he drove the car slowly thru the water

, i would had rev that engine till i was out of the water, if i didn't had a choice. Today i try to start the engine same old it still clicks. and yes i try to jump the battery with a battery jumper and same thing. i am going to check the starter and i will take it from there. will let to guyz know how i made out. Lucky i have my 97 pearl white mark VIII in my possesion and will not be lend out at all!!! just got that one 3 months ago. ty you all

Posted by: Megaboink

today another day same clicks, (by the way the car is still factory condition, no mod anywhere). I remove all the spark plugs and air filter, air filter condition as soaked as sponge, the spark plugs in need of replacement slight small micro rust around edge cable side. I was told to do the above and use a metal hanger or screw driver on the high current selenoid and touch both screw and make contact to kick started on for a moment, Water should shoot out thru spark plug holes on engine. problem can't find that high current slenoid. If i find the dam box, if it works then i was told to replace all fliuids on car, Oil,trans fluid.

does anyone know what box or selenoid they are talking about?

Posted by: 94m5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaboink

today another day same clicks, (by the way the car is still factory condition, no mod anywhere). I remove all the spark plugs and air filter, air filter condition as soaked as sponge, the spark plugs in need of replacement slight small micro rust around edge cable side. I was told to do the above and use a metal hanger or screw driver on the high current selenoid and touch both screw and make contact to kick started on for a moment, Water should shoot out thru spark plug holes on engine. problem can't find that high current slenoid. If i find the dam box, if it works then i was told to replace all fliuids on car, Oil,trans fluid.

does anyone know what box or selenoid they are talking about?

The solenoid is on the starter its self. Just use the key to turn it over, cause if you are hearing it click, it's getting current. All you are doing in that situation is bypassing the soleniod which, for a lack of a better term, is just a relay.

When you turn the key over, it sends a signal current to an electromagnet in the solenoid body to pull the high current contacts together and send full battery current to the starter motor.

Posted by: scott9050

I just hope your nephew did not lock up the engine. A guy on the Corral had his wife do the same thing with his 95 GT and the aftermath was a mess.

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

drain the oil, i mean your not going any where so change the oil and look for anying signs of water or metal.

Posted by: Megaboink

today i replace the battery with a fully charge battery and try to start the car, same clicks again. The only diffrence i try to repeatly turn the key back and forth hopefully it might just do something as i was turning the key off and on, smoke started to come out of the somehwhere in the engine, it smell like burn wire. not much just lil enough to notice it. so i stoped and wondering what could that be. keep in mund the weayther here is 89 humid, so i can't fully work on the car and empty the oil to check for possibly i hope not metal in the oil. so my next step is towing it to the mechanic see what he thinks. Will keep you guys inform. th'x for your advice all!. Ps: if the engine is gone. then i guess ebay with parts hope not!

Posted by: Lincolns Own

aww man, i hope all goes well and hopefully it wont break the bank!

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

well depends but a burning wire may be a good sign, because it could be something small but who knows

Posted by: Moes8

really sounds like the engine is locked up,
could the water still be laying in the cylinders?

i blew a head gasket once and the motor locked up .,but after sitting about 2 hours it was free again, so i dont know,

i hope its a small thing,but i'm thinking not

mike

Posted by: bigdog1279

well if it,s somthing realy exspensive just know if its from driving thrue high water your insurance has to pay for it,s it,s claimed under
colision i think
but i know someone with a 2002 LS they when threw high water ther engin broke or somthing like that the dealer sed
something was rong with the mottor and the insurance company payed 7000 for a new engine

Posted by: scott9050

Are there any updates?

Posted by: Megaboink

hi all, Well, I took the car to the mechanic and he said that it looks like there could be a bend piston. In other words engine locked. so i tow the car to the mechanics at work and they want to confirm that! One of the mechanic said it could be,but he wants to try to see if maybe, some engine parts guess those that could rust might be rusted. due because i left it sit to long before i working on it.Might be why a breaker bar wouldn't turn the engine manual. So it comes down to this if it is, and i'a m 98%sure it is locked, then i am going to strip the interior and have a tow truck pick it up. I dont wish to put $ into the car in that condition cause i own a 97 and was selling it cause i need the room. so if anyone looking for a specif part we could talk. I will sell the whole car for parts or whatever for a price. otherwise strip it and sell it part by part. It is sad to see it go this way. Insurance wouldn't cover me since i only have liability, I took off the full covrage years ago. guys thanks. If anything new like a miracle i will post

Posted by: scott9050

Too bad you can't just put in a used engine, they are fairly cheap these days.

Posted by: Moes8

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Originally Posted by Megaboink

So it comes down to this if it I will sell the whole car for parts or whatever for a price. otherwise strip it and sell it part by part. It is sad to see it go this way. Insurance wouldn't cover me since i only have liability, I took off the full covrage years ago. guys thanks. If anything new like a miracle i will post

okay if it happens...

pictures and price for whole car (ballpark)please

did you check with the insurance company or just assume it wont cover?

mike

Posted by: Megaboink

I called insurance company, they reminded me that i had taken off full coverage over 4 yrs ago. I figure the car getting older i wouldn't need it. Never though i would be lending out to an inexperienced, dont know there are other damages to car besides crashing it, familly member! will post pick of car soon as i make the pic enough bites to upload on this forum.

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaboink

I called insurance company, they reminded me that i had taken off full coverage over 4 yrs ago. I figure the car getting older i wouldn't need it. Never though i would be lending out to an inexperienced, dont know there are other damages to car besides crashing it, familly member! will post pick of car soon as i make the pic enough bites to upload on this forum.

If you can do some of the work you should be able to replace the entire engine cheaply and part out your old engine to cover most of the cost. Maybe since you are in NJ one of our lovely admins would be able to help you out?

Posted by: Megaboink

In case anyone has any intrest.

Posted by: CSimonGo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaboink

In case anyone has any intrest.

If you are deciding to part the car out let me know. I woould be interested in the grill, front corner lights L/R, and Passenger Headlight if it is really clean.

Let me know..

Posted by: mk8mx5

The '93 thru '96 have a very low air intake. If water was sucked into the engine, forgetaboutit. I blew the engine in my '93 driving through a bad storm and bought my '94 with the insurance money

Posted by: 98LSC32V

Sorry to hear about this. If the air silencer was removed your engine might have been OK.