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Fab'ed heat shield for Cold Air Intake for KKM

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Posted by: loveLSE

I got off work early yesterday and finally put this thing together.
As I have posted before, I used the top of stock air box and some tubing (pic.1) to make an air scoop that brings air from the front bumper (pic.2: arrow) to the hole (pic.3). I made some measurements (pic. 4) then made a template using cardboard box (pic.5). It fits nicely in the spot (pic.6).
I bought some ABS plastic sheet and glue at a local plastic store. after few hours of cutting and fitting (I only have hand held dremel tool) I made the box (pic.7). and the final product with KKM filter (pic.8). why no top? It fits perfect and only leaves about 1cm space from the hood so I dont think it would be needed.

Posted by: ohioLS

WOW thats nice I have a machine shop here and thats what my engineer and I where going to design. I like it a lot, have to ask did u insulate with anything to keep the heat from the steel down. Regardless I love it do you mind if I copy that design? Thanks for post!

-Scott-

Posted by: loveLSE

you can use the template. I purposely took the picture with everything laid down so if anyone that wants to use it can do so.
thanks for the input.
I havent done anything for insulation. Im looking into what would work the best. what should I use?

If you are going to make it. you need to trim litte bit (see the white bars)
it hits the hood. there's a protruding portion on the hood that will hit this area if you dont trim it.

Posted by: GrayGhost1

That's a nice job for sure! Are you planning to put a top on it or are you just going to let the hood create the top for you? I'd say if you fabbed those things they would definitely sell. Hell, I'd buy one maybe more if the price was right.

Posted by: sgb00ls

Nice job!

Looks slick with the black plastic.

Posted by: ohioLS

Well I will take your design under my wing with your approval.Thanks again!

Ken I was also thinking about a cyclinder style design making it selled off but we have been some what busy to really tackle that design at hand, what do think about that one?

-Scott-

Posted by: GrayGhost1

I think it looks great and it should do the trick. I'd like to see loveLSE do some testing with it to make sure there is enough air getting to the box and the temperature stays cool enough. You want to make sure that there is air movement. A lot of warm/hot air is better than no air at all. However, it has potential.

The one problem that Capt Zorro, aka Wayne, had with his design was that it rattled. The box would have to be secured enough to keep it from squeaking and rattling.

Posted by: ohioLS

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

you can use the template. I purposely took the picture with everything laid down so if anyone that wants to use it can do so.
thanks for the input.
I havent done anything for insulation. Im looking into what would work the best. what should I use?

If you are going to make it. you need to trim litte bit (see the white bars)
it hits the hood. there's a protruding portion on the hood that will hit this area if you dont trim it.

Ok well I have a book here with serval thermal insulation sheets in it, but the problem is trying to find one that is water restaint and thin.

There are a few here they are.
Pipe and tube insulation jacketing or Polyimide sheets. I am still reading and learning about these sheets, but they seem to be the only ones so far that meet the standards.I will post once completed.

-Scott-

Posted by: BDSax

LoveLSE, that thing looks awesome! what a great job.

when i get my kkm from ken and when i get my car back! (dropped it off this morning, the evaporator coil is leaking. stopped over there to see how its going and my whole dash is apart! its a damn good thing im friends with a machanic!!!)

im going to try aluminum and welding it as a one piece, then have a top that can connect on it. its hard to plan without having it.

you guys think just the heat sheild insulation is the best bet??

Posted by: 01lssport

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

Your definently on to something!
You could sell quit a few of those with a few mods:
Top of the box being contoured to the underside of the hood.
A tighter fit around the MAF sensor.

Posted by: Quik LS

Looks good. You may want to either put a lid on it - or some rubber trim edging so it seals to the hood. Looks very similar to my first unit.

---- you are sooooooo very close to cutting a hole in your hood.....

Posted by: GWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

What a beutiful job. One question though. On my 04, there is another air source directly in line with the end of the KKM in the fender wall. Why did you not allow this to add to the total volume available to the filter?

Posted by: cblood

I would like the whole package once you get it perfected. Keep posting because I am going to do the whole intake, but have been putting it off due to the fact that there was no heat sheild.

Posted by: Midas78

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

you can use the template.
it hits the hood. there's a protruding portion on the hood that will hit this area if you dont trim it.

Can post the dimensions of your template?

Thanks.

Posted by: JaredLS

Looks like everyone is making Air boxes. Anyway here's mine...a ghetto version compared to some I've seen on here, like LoveLSE's. I made it this weekend and so far it holds tight no rattle and I can feel the diffrence sounds pretty good too...just doesn't look pretty. It's temporary...I definetly have to improve the design and make the pieces fit right and get rid of the tape. Here's some pics...

Used the bottom of the original air box.

got the idea to reuse the stock filter mesh grill from a pic I saw somewhere, maybe here?
What do you guys think?

Posted by: sgb00ls

I was wondering if anybody would "recycle" the stock box. At least you know it's going to fit in the space.

Anybody else have another design?

Posted by: GWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgb00ls

I was wondering if anybody would "recycle" the stock box. At least you know it's going to fit in the space.

Anybody else have another design?

I have been looking for one from a wrecked LS for quite some time now, to do just what you have suggested. OEM new are just too expensive to buy for an experiment.

Posted by: SurfjaxLS

Go get some abs plastic sheet, make a copy of the stock airbox, and fit a 3"abs pipe to the end like the stock airbox. Then run some dryer hose up to the filter.

Posted by: 01lssport

As for the stock airbox fitting that big filter, not going to happen. You would have to buy a longer, smaller dia. air filter.
Also autozone sells 3" rubber flex hose (black in color so you can't see it) that retains the shape you bend it to. I used it from the grill to the oval hole in the engine compartment without securing it. Never fell once.

Hey surfjaxls, were do you recomend getting abs plastis sheet from?

Posted by: sgb00ls

Quote:

Originally Posted by 01lssport

As for the stock airbox fitting that big filter, not going to happen. You would have to buy a longer, smaller dia. air filter.
Also autozone sells 3" rubber flex hose (black in color so you can't see it) that retains the shape you bend it to. I used it from the grill to the oval hole in the engine compartment without securing it. Never fell once.

Hey surfjaxls, were do you recomend getting abs plastis sheet from?

Smaller filter to fit stock box... that would be like going backwards.

Ditto. Where do you find black plastic sheet? I guess there are no shortcuts when trying to make HP.

Posted by: SurfjaxLS

You can order it online, but I buy all my plastic from a local distributor, Farco Plastics. Same place I used to get the acrylic tubing for my DIY angel eyes. Also used them for some scrap polycarboante to fab a filter adapter similar to the KKM.

Look for somewhere local, yellow pages is a great start, because shipping will up the cost a lot, and most companies have a minimum order cost.

Posted by: loveLSE

Here's pic with dimensions.
they are in inches. as I have mentioned before (but no longer in the thread, now for some reason) I actually made mine bit bigger especially for hieght.
I went 1-inch taller then started trimming here and there. I coated the top edge with a paint then closed the hood to see where I need to trim by looking at which part is hitting the hood. It took some time but I like it alot.

Hope this will get you all to a good start.

Im going to buy a thermometer and test it to see if I get a lower temp.
I'll let you all know once this is donw. Im a scientist so I'll have all the appropriate controls so we can all be sure that this thing really works.

Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

OUTSTANDING!! Great innovation and craftsmanship!!

If you get the chance, I would like to see some more tests done on this. If you can find a way to measure the air inlet temperatures, there may be some very valuable infomation to be gained. You could insert a temp probe downstream from the filter and box. I have a Fluke meter with a probe and long wire that would be perfect for this. Another good option would be an oven thermometer. I have an electronic one that has the probe on a long enough wire that you could tape the guage to your windshield and get your readings. You could fabricate a temporary lid to your box with duct tape and cardboard. Try driving the car in town on a warm day then on the highway. Then pull the lid off and duplicate the test drive. I would be very interested in seeing what, if any, the temp differences are. There could be some good hp to be had here!!

Posted by: eL eS

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

I got off work early yesterday and finally put this thing together.
As I have posted before, I used the top of stock air box and some tubing (pic.1) to make an air scoop that brings air from the front bumper (pic.2: arrow) to the hole (pic.3). I made some measurements (pic. 4) then made a template using cardboard box (pic.5). It fits nicely in the spot (pic.6).
I bought some ABS plastic sheet and glue at a local plastic store. after few hours of cutting and fitting (I only have hand held dremel tool) I made the box (pic.7). and the final product with KKM filter (pic.8). why no top? It fits perfect and only leaves about 1cm space from the hood so I dont think it would be needed.

Excellent job!

Posted by: sgb00ls

Thanks for the dimentions! That should save a few weekend hours.

Posted by: Midas78

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgb00ls

Thanks for the dimensions! That should save a few weekend hours.

Thanks for granting my request. This is awesome, I will finally get the air contraption put together.

Posted by: Angry_Inch

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

Do you happen to have a more detailed pic of the front of your car where your intake box is? How about a rear view of the air box?

Posted by: ohioLS

Thanks a million loveLSE I owe you one. Off to Autocad and then to the laser its goes. Will post pics within the couple weeks!

-Scott-

Posted by: eL eS

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

Here's pic with dimensions.
they are in inches. as I have mentioned before (but no longer in the thread, now for some reason) I actually made mine bit bigger especially for hieght.
I went 1-inch taller then started trimming here and there. I coated the top edge with a paint then closed the hood to see where I need to trim by looking at which part is hitting the hood. It took some time but I like it alot.

Hope this will get you all to a good start.

Im going to buy a thermometer and test it to see if I get a lower temp.
I'll let you all know once this is donw. Im a scientist so I'll have all the appropriate controls so we can all be sure that this thing really works.

WOW! That is awesome man!

Posted by: BDSax

you think plexiglass will be ok??

Posted by: 01lssport

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDSax

you think plexiglass will be ok??

I used 1/4" plexiglass on mine and it works fine.

Posted by: ovsims

Looks great

Posted by: Oxyargon03

Any news yet LSE?

Posted by: BDSax

well, i just started making my airbox when i realized i have a digital thermometer that have a cord on it for the sensor.

(results with no airbox and using KKM filter) i put the sensor on bottom front of the filter by where my duct work comes up. its about 89 - 92 degrees outside (the ls says 89). my lowerest temp was 87.3 degrees, fastest i went was 50 mph. when i stoped and idled. the temp would just climb and got to at least 125+ degrees.

i will post new results when air box is installed

Posted by: SurfjaxLS

Sweet, I like seeing proof/evidence to support the work.

Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

So anyways I just spent the last hour trying to squeeze the top of the stock airbox modded w/ the 3-inch tubing into the space behind my lower grille. I don't know if it's just me but I couldn't seem to find a way to make it fit in the space. I see that it obviously will fit, but how many things did you have to remove in order to get it in there? Was it as difficult for you as it is becoming for me? I ran out of daylight so I couldn't remove too much so tomorrow I'm going back at it, just don't want to remove things I don't have to so please do tell me how you got yours in there..Thanks in advance.

Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

Posted by: loveLSE

sorry for late reply.
I was on vacation with no internet access.
for me, it toook some time but it went in well.
I just removed the bottom flat plastic panel that's covering the engine bay to the front bumper off. it took some sweats. I spent about an hour trying to squeeze that box in there.
I dont know if this matters but my bumper is LSE, maybe standard LS bumper is smaller? maybe you can try to trim off the excess plastic on the air box.

good luck.

Posted by: lsondubz

Hey make another heat shield for me and Ill paypal you..Im lazy

Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsondubz

Hey make another heat shield for me and Ill paypal you..Im lazy

Yeah I finally got it in there the next day. Like you said I had to do a little trimming of the radiator guard even after I removed the lower bumper guard piece. I have that with the 3" tubing running up to my KKM filter with no heat shield as of yet (just purchased the plastic-having it professionally assembled according to diameters on this site!) and I've noticed my gas mileage go from around 13.8-14.8 to 15.1-16.4. Obviously related, as my driving style has stayed the exact same. Can't wait to see an increase from there with the heat shield. Anyone else notice big gains like this?

Posted by: BIG CELO

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

sorry for late reply.
I was on vacation with no internet access.
for me, it toook some time but it went in well.
I just removed the bottom flat plastic panel that's covering the engine bay to the front bumper off. it took some sweats. I spent about an hour trying to squeeze that box in there.
I dont know if this matters but my bumper is LSE, maybe standard LS bumper is smaller? maybe you can try to trim off the excess plastic on the air box.

good luck.

Welcome back loveLSE, Are you going to make these heat shields, if you are let me know

Posted by: loveLSE

I took this to local plastic shop and they wont make it due to its complexity. maybe they are too lazy like someone.
I dont have any plans to make more. I only made one for myself.
if I had a table top saw this would be much easier task.
with just a hand held dremel tool, making this took quite some time.
I just bought a oven thermometer which I will use to test the temperature difference. I know I promised this awhile back but now Im back from my vacation so I'll get this thing going and will post results.
Im dying to find out myself.

Posted by: GWL

Not having the time or tools needed to do a custom Air Box out of heavy material I thought that I would take a different approach and use foil insulation. The advantages for me are: Easy to make, (scissors for cutting) inexpensive enough to replace easily. Molds to available space. The disadvantage is that it does not look like a custom fabricated air box. I tested it to 95 MPH without problems (time will tell). Before installation the chrome ring on my KKM air filter was too hot to touch. After installation the filter could be handled by a bare hand comfortably. As you can tell I do not have remote thermometers to do an actual test of temperatures. Hope the pictures explain what the setup looks like in the car.

Posted by: BIG CELO

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWL

Not having the time or tools needed to do a custom Air Box out of heavy material I thought that I would take a different approach and use foil insulation. The advantages for me are: Easy to make, (scissors for cutting) inexpensive enough to replace easily. Molds to available space. The disadvantage is that it does not look like a custom fabricated air box. I tested it to 95 MPH without problems (time will tell). Before installation the chrome ring on my KKM air filter was too hot to touch. After installation the filter could be handled by a bare hand comfortably. As you can tell I do not have remote thermometers to do an actual test of temperatures. Hope the pictures explain what the setup looks like in the car.

loooks real good where did you get the foil from?

Posted by: GWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG CELO

loooks real good where did you get the foil from?

14' x 24" roll for 11.00 @ Home Depot

Posted by: GrayGhost1

George,

That looks very industrious! Is the insulation rigid or soft? The reason I ask is that will it cave in once the intake starts sucking in air.

Posted by: GWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost1

George,

That looks very industrious! Is the insulation rigid or soft? The reason I ask is that will it cave in once the intake starts sucking in air.

It is semi-rigid but fairly soft and that was of concern to me. It apparently is wedged tight enough to withstand up to 90 MPH and full acceleration to 90 MPH without any distortion. I have only had it in the car for a few hours now so time will tell. When I first installed it I was going to reinforce it with wire around the edges and zip tie if necessary. It does not appear to be necessary so far. My theory is that as long as the pressure in the box stays close to positive or even slightly negative, there will not be a problem. So far several run at WOT have failed to budge it at all.

Posted by: GWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost1

George,

That looks very industrious! Is the insulation rigid or soft? The reason I ask is that will it cave in once the intake starts sucking in air.

Just so everybody knows, I was originally looking for a double sided foil insulation that was more rigid, however that proved impossible to find in a small town in the Ozarks.

Posted by: BIG CELO

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWL

14' x 24" roll for 11.00 @ Home Depot

thanks for the info. love the set up looks real good!!

Posted by: loveLSE

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWL

Just so everybody knows, I was originally looking for a double sided foil insulation that was more rigid, however that proved impossible to find in a small town in the Ozarks.

Hey, GWL.
you just need to bring in fresh air by ducting it from the front grill to the hole. Now, your insulation should work much better bringing in colder air from the front and TOTAL blocking of hot air. NICE! why didnt I think of that?
Your temp result should be better than mine.

Posted by: GWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveLSE

Yes, you may be right. I looked at the way the LSE front end is set up and it appears that a small flat deflector even with the bottom edge of the car may be enough. There appears to be very little room on the LSE to route the ducting, so for now I am going to rely on the positive pressure in the area under the hole in the bottom and the hole in the upper inner fender to bring in the cooler air.

Posted by: joshluvsla

question? will water go into the intake with the tubing going all the way down to the bottom grill? do u make holes some where do drain it?

Posted by: loveLSE

NO water.
It rains quite a bit in seattle and everytime it rains I would check to see if there's any water. so far, no water has entered my heat shield box.

Posted by: BatMobile

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG CELO

Welcome back loveLSE, Are you going to make these heat shields, if you are let me know

Does anyone know if these dimensions will fit the 2000 LS V6 as well as the LS V8? I'm a newbe ...

Posted by: GrayGhost1

Quote:

Originally Posted by BatMobile

Does anyone know if these dimensions will fit the 2000 LS V6 as well as the LS V8? I'm a newbe ...

Yes it will fit.

Posted by: 01lssport

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost1

Yes it will fit.

I don't know about that. There are e few hoses that run behind the head light that caused a problem for me. For the V6 anyways.

Posted by: GrayGhost1

Quote:

Originally Posted by 01lssport

I don't know about that. There are e few hoses that run behind the head light that caused a problem for me. For the V6 anyways.

Below is a picture of the stainless steel tube and KKM kit on a V6. There shouldn't be any additional "tubing" unless it's aftermarket. When we were making the stainless tube for the V6 we didn't see any hoses or tubes that would get in the way. The box dimensions should work for any LS.

Posted by: 01lssport

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost1

I just made that box about a month ago. The heat shield slides under the radiator support a little. The hose in this pic that is on the left of the MAF continues down in front of the radiator support on my car causing a clearance issue (not allowing the heat shield to slide under the radiator support all the way). Now maybe my car is messed up because I have found evidence that it might have been wrecked in the front. I will take a picture to show this area.

Posted by: GWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost1

George,

That looks very industrious! Is the insulation rigid or soft? The reason I ask is that will it cave in once the intake starts sucking in air.

OK It has been long enough to come to some conclusions on this mod. Around town mileage has increased an average of 1 mile/gal. The material has held up to all day freeway runs without distortion. Highway mileage has not changed significantly as it is up only an average of .1 Mile/gal. I am attributing the 1mi/gal increase around town to the lower intake air temp at slow stop & go driving in town and the virtual no change in freeway mileage to enough cool air at speed getting to the intake with or without the airbox mod. Just my guess though.

Posted by: paulownian

My brother-in-law has a nice machine shop where he builds towable trench diggers, I'll see if he can fab something for us. Can we use a lightweight aluminum that can be bent and cut by machine and then insulated? Let me know if anyone wants me to pursue this. maybe we can tweak the design enough that we can mass market these babies. I have the business savvy; I have a manufacturer; do I have assistance from any members with the design and the R&D?

Posted by: GWL

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulownian

My brother-in-law has a nice machine shop where he builds towable trench diggers, I'll see if he can fab something for us. Can we use a lightweight aluminum that can be bent and cut by machine and then insulated? Let me know if anyone wants me to pursue this. maybe we can tweak the design enough that we can mass market these babies. I have the business savvy; I have a manufacturer; do I have assistance from any members with the design and the R&D?

Well I would be interested in a box as you have described. Insulation should not be a problem. I think a simple version of the open bottom shield like I made out of insulation material would work just fine. There are air sources at the bottom and from the driver side fender as well as a little from next to the radiator. I am not convinced that ducting with an air hose is necessary as on the LSE it will be difficult to route the hose properly.

Posted by: BatMobile

What grade of plastic are you guys using for this sheild? I went to the plastics shop and they're trying to convince me to use corrugated plastic which is pretty much cardboard with a thin plastic lining.

Posted by: paulownian

I have also thought of trying the plexiglass. There isn't any reason why plexy shouldn't be able to handle the temps.

I think in the long run, the aluminum style is going to be best, though. As far as the air flow, my research has shown that the air flow goes top to bottom. We should maintain the same style of air flow that was used in the stock box - from the top front, which would flow over the filter and down to the hole in the bottom left and out the hole in the wheel. I also believe there should be a top to the unit to maintain the correct pressure. I have cut out a template based loosely on the drawing in previous posts and will create an R&D model over the weekend. If this works out as well as I believe it will with these little improvements, we can go to manufacture fairly fast. Thoughts? Comments?

Posted by: Fla02LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulownian

I have also thought of trying the plexiglass. There isn't any reason why plexy shouldn't be able to handle the temps.

I think in the long run, the aluminum style is going to be best, though. As far as the air flow, my research has shown that the air flow goes top to bottom. We should maintain the same style of air flow that was used in the stock box - from the top front, which would flow over the filter and down to the hole in the bottom left and out the hole in the wheel. I also believe there should be a top to the unit to maintain the correct pressure. I have cut out a template based loosely on the drawing in previous posts and will create an R&D model over the weekend. If this works out as well as I believe it will with these little improvements, we can go to manufacture fairly fast. Thoughts? Comments?

You are very correct about the airflow. I was commenting on this in another post. The LS has a specific route that the airflow takes thru the grill and out the engine compartment. One of the first stops this airflow makes is past the airbox. So with this in mind, at any speed over lets say 10 mph then your "heat shield" is actually blocking the cooler air coming from the grill. With the speed and pressure that is most likely created while driving the "hot" engine air is blown backwards away from the air intake. Your really using a cooler air hotrod type principle on a very well engineered car. Not necessary or practical.

Posted by: paulownian

I would like to keep the same type of air scoop that is used on the stock box and leave it in the same place. Most efficient. Basically, we are just recreating the wheel here. Of course, we are making it look better than the stock box, but the principles are the same and the opportunity exists to make improvements over the stock because we have no constraints, such as noise, etc.

Posted by: J3FF

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost1

George,

That looks very industrious! Is the insulation rigid or soft? The reason I ask is that will it cave in once the intake starts sucking in air.

That is the first thing I looked at when I bought my windsheild screen for 4 bucks LMAO!! It doesn't fold in at all. I have hammered it 9-10 times since mine has been on and it's still in the same spot. Of cousre I also pushed mine through the small nubs for the old airbox. As far as the other side goes, it doesnt mve at all because of the way it fits around the airbox.

Posted by: Silver02Sport

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Originally Posted by paulownian

Well I dont think I can help you bulid one but so long as there priced right I'll take one

Posted by: BatMobile

About what size thickness are you guys using to contruct these heatshields in the plastic or fiberglass?

Posted by: Kelleyo

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulownian

I am interested.

Here is my current setup. I can really tell the heat is a problem after sitting at a stoplight:

Posted by: lloydrage

sold. I will buy one if you want to sell me one

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I'm confused, removing the stock filter from the box and then reinstalling a different kind in a box. The whole reason to go to the conical open element kind filter is to not limit the amount of air that the motor can pull. The conical filter has more surface area than the flat filter so therefore can flow more air. Sticking it back in a box completely goes against the design. The design show in this thread looks way to small to allow that filter to breath. The scoop is only going to work so well since as the car speeds up, air starts flowing perhaps past it. Not to mention it only has the 3" tube to breath again. The design is little better than the factory set-up. The thing we're trying to accomplish is keeping the filter from pulling motor heat, sealing the filter from the engine heat is the idea, but reboxing it, is going backwards. I started working on a sheild that will seperate filter from engine and will allow the filter to breath well throu all those large holes around it, but pulling air from the motors warmth will not be an option. It will allow the KKM filter to pull all the air it wants with out restricting.

Posted by: J3FF

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I'm confused, removing the stock filter from the box and then reinstalling a different kind in a box. The whole reason to go to the conical open element kind filter is to not limit the amount of air that the motor can pull. The conical filter has more surface area than the flat filter so therefore can flow more air. Sticking it back in a box completely goes against the design. The design show in this thread looks way to small to allow that filter to breath. The scoop is only going to work so well since as the car speeds up, air starts flowing perhaps past it. Not to mention it only has the 3" tube to breath again. The design is little better than the factory set-up. The thing we're trying to accomplish is keeping the filter from pulling motor heat, sealing the filter from the engine heat is the idea, but reboxing it, is going backwards. I started working on a sheild that will seperate filter from engine and will allow the filter to breath well throu all those large holes around it, but pulling air from the motors warmth will not be an option. It will allow the KKM filter to pull all the air it wants with out restricting.

I'm going to agree...So how about just making an aluminum double-sided wall away from the engine? The air the intake breathes comes from the bottom of the car already, the box isn't going to do much but smother the intake if you surround it. I just thought about that.

Posted by: paulownian

We aren't pulling air from the hot engine compartment. We block heat from the engine while allowing the air flow to come from the front of the vehicle.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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Originally Posted by J3FF

I'm not going to double wall mine as the air circulation under the hood is pretty good. I double walled the MarkVIII one I made because it frickin hot under thet hood and it needed all the help it could get to keep the heat from the filter. I couldn't even hold the filter it would be so dang hot. I've checked the filter on the LSE several times and it never gets that hot, although it hasn't gotten that hot around here yet. I may put an extra sheild that would catch some of the heat and position it to direct air from the front across the aluminum to cool it, rather than completely fabbing a double wall set-up.

I actually think the intake is grabbing air from the grill area, at least when the car is moving. Either way with the way I'm doing it, it won't obstruct any of it.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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Originally Posted by paulownian

We aren't pulling air from the hot engine compartment. We block heat from the engine while allowing the air flow to come from the front of the vehicle.

Didn't say you did, I stated that your still pulling air throu a tube instead of letting the conical pull air more freely in an open space, seperated from engine heat.

Posted by: J3FF

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Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Didn't say you did, I stated that your still pulling air throu a tube instead of letting the conical pull air more freely in an open space, seperated from engine heat.

I like 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC's idea better

It'll look alot nicer under the hood as well! No offense to the creater of the other Fab'ed heat sheild.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Its looking like it'll be a real nice pc. Just Ironic this thread came back to life. I've been planning on fabbing one up like I did on my MarkVIII since I bought the Intake and recognized the benefit it may have. Don't exactly need one in winter. I've switched to driving the MarkVIII as my daily driver a few weeks back and have been letting the LSE be the toy and have been taking it to the 1/4 mile on the weekend, (different thread). Getting real busy at work now so it may take a few days to move to the aluminum.

Posted by: J3FF

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Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Its looking like it'll be a real nice pc. Just Ironic this thread came back to life. I've been planning on fabbing one up like I did on my MarkVIII since I bought the Intake and recognized the benefit it may have. Don't exactly need one in winter. I've switched to driving the MarkVIII as my daily driver a few weeks back and have been letting the LSE be the toy and have been taking it to the 1/4 mile on the weekend, (different thread). Getting real busy at work now so it may take a few days to move to the aluminum.

I understand man, your idea IMHO is the best for this project. I just dont have the time or resources to do something like this, cant wait until you pull through with it.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I'm tickering with the final adjustments right now, its damn slick. When I move to the aluminum some problems with may present themselves, but the design is pretty simple so maybe not. I was redoing the one on my Mark and got side tracked with perfecting the design, this one should be alot easier as it will not be a 2 pc has to fit together perfect design. Plus I was doing the Mark one kinda out of the tinker on car season. I'll get back to it later.

Posted by: Smokey

Bottom line guys is it does not matter what size air intake box you put on it, it still passes through the same size tube to get to the throttle body. I would think that grabbing cooler air would result in the most real world benefit as long as the part before the filter is not smaller in flow capacity than the tube between the MAF and TB.

Posted by: GWL

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Originally Posted by GWL

chr0me , tried to reply to your PM, but your box is full and it will not accept any more PMs.

Posted by: J3FF

Anything happen with the Aluminum wall?

Posted by: TheRebel

Here is my heat shield for the KKM air filter. I am by no means a fabricator and this is a very simply project as long as you can use scissors and a ruler. It is made out of ¼ poster board from wal-mart and then I wrapped it in aluminum duct tape. I tried to give all the measurements needed. Also this was on an 03 V8 so I don’t know if it can be applied to all year models and engines. Fold on the red lines. I used krazy glue and goop to attach the bottom in the air box. It is very rigid so it should hold up. The ¼ notch allows the KKM support bracket to help hold the air box in place.

Posted by: TheRebel

more pics

Posted by: J3FF

I think that could work. NOtice if it stays alot cooler? How about sheilding off the aluminum with something different?

Posted by: jgfish97

Just curious... Is the KKM better than the K&N Typhoon Air Intake System?

Posted by: GrayGhost1

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Originally Posted by jgfish97

Just curious... Is the KKM better than the K&N Typhoon Air Intake System?

They are both about the same.

Posted by: TheRebel

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Originally Posted by J3FF

I think that could work. NOtice if it stays alot cooler? How about sheilding off the aluminum with something different?

The filter stays very cool compared to the unshielded side. I don't have an accurate way to measure the temp but according to my hands the filter was warm while the other side was "ouch! that’s hot". I'm not for sure what you’re asking about with shielding off the aluminum with something else. The aluminum tape in my setup is covering 1/4 foam poster board. I tried to keep it simple because I am not a fabricator and the materials I used can be had for less than $10. I am interested in making it look better.

I know the next question will be "Did I notice any performance gains?" The answer is no, but my mileage did increase about 1 to 1.4 mpg if that makes any sense.

If anyone is interested in pursuing this further, PM me.

Posted by: TheRebel

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Originally Posted by TheRebel

If anyone is interested in pursuing this further, PM me.

Or post here of course!

Posted by: Kelleyo

Dang that KKM looks nice in your car! Where did you get it?

Posted by: TheRebel

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Originally Posted by Kelleyo

Dang that KKM looks nice in your car! Where did you get it?

From some guy with a nice LS

Posted by: fethgtgh

i just put in a new intake and now it looks like im goin and buyin some plastic and makin a sweet lookin heat shield thanks for the in info bro mad props

Posted by: thethirdeye88

thats awesome...when are they going to be for sale?...

Posted by: AngelEyesAdrift

any pictures of the ram air install?

Posted by: AngelEyesAdrift

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Originally Posted by J3FF

guys it has ram air... are you missing that?

Posted by: GWL

This has worked for almost two years now.

Posted by: Sn8kbordin

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Originally Posted by GWL

That's what I did, but with different kind of insulation. It doesn't look good, but does it job.
I also used aluminum (Home Depot FTW! That's where I also bought speaker wire for my home theater) tubing that's flexible, possible for dryers and ran it from the bottom of the "box" to the lower grille.
It's good till 143MPH (or whatever the speed limiter is set on on stock tune in 01 LS V8 w/ sport package).
Whenever car is in motion it gets ambient air. Checked it with the air intake temperature sensor with OBD2 reader.
Water/snow does not get into the box by the filter.

Posted by: Sn8kbordin

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Originally Posted by loveLSE

LSE 04+ bumper cover is lower by about an inch or so.

Posted by: Bim Turch

I work in a design/fabrication shop with all the tools and machines necessary for building anything imaginable.After reading this topic I have decided to begin building myself a heat shield for the KKM on my 03 ls V8 this week. I was wondering how many others would be interested in one? I will make a design using Auto Cad and get a quote for production tomorrow or Friday. Once the prototype is done I will take pictures of it and people can let me know if they are interested.

Posted by: GWL

I would like to replace mine with a weel constructed version.

Posted by: mrshl13

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Originally Posted by Bim Turch

I work in a design/fabrication shop with all the tools and machines necessary for building anything imaginable.After reading this topic I have decided to begin building myself a heat shield for the KKM on my 03 ls V8 this week. I was wondering how many others would be interested in one? I will make a design using Auto Cad and get a quote for production tomorrow or Friday. Once the prototype is done I will take pictures of it and people can let me know if they are interested.

I'm interested.

Posted by: 3fletch

If the price is right you can count me in...

Posted by: MMAFIGHTER121

make it 3 if its a good 'un

Posted by: King03LS8

I'm interested

Posted by: NYC LS8

I'm in, eventhough I have the K&N on mine. Should still be the same thing.

Posted by: GWL

Any progress on this?

Posted by: Bim Turch

yes, progress has been made!! I have the cardboard prototype cut out to size and I am going to my work today to cut and bend the metal... I will have some pictures up later today.

Posted by: loveLSE

I have been absent for few years on this site.
Im back, anyway, below is thread on temp difference with and without the heatshield.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=11685

Posted by: MMAFIGHTER121

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Originally Posted by Bim Turch

yes, progress has been made!! I have the cardboard prototype cut out to size and I am going to my work today to cut and bend the metal... I will have some pictures up later today.

and theeeeen?

and wow! a 40-60 degree difference with heat sheild?! isn't there some rule like every 11 degrees lower air temp you gain 1% hp?

Posted by: NYC LS8

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Originally Posted by Bim Turch

yes, progress has been made!! I have the cardboard prototype cut out to size and I am going to my work today to cut and bend the metal... I will have some pictures up later today.

"Today" was 9 days ago, buddy

Posted by: GWL

I will be out of town for a few weeks. Just in case this becomes available while I am gone, I want one.

Posted by: pwr2killayak

sign me up for one too. kkm in the mail now...

Posted by: Bim Turch

sorry for the delay guys... been very busy at work... I have the prototype ready.. just have to trim fit it under the hood.. then off to production... I will be giving it to the fabrication shop on Monday, hopefully wont take long... sometime this weekend look for a new post on this subject, I would like to get a better idea of exactly how many people want a H/S.

Posted by: GWL

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Originally Posted by Bim Turch

sorry for the delay guys... been very busy at work... I have the prototype ready.. just have to trim fit it under the hood.. then off to production... I will be giving it to the fabrication shop on Monday, hopefully wont take long... sometime this weekend look for a new post on this subject, I would like to get a better idea of exactly how many people want a H/S.

I am interested, but it would help to see what it looks like, what it is made from and the approximate cost.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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Originally Posted by GWL

I am interested, but it would help to see what it looks like, what it is made from and the approximate cost.

You got it.

Many can say they are interested, but ultimately won't buy when it comes down to it.

I fabbed one up. No real interest to sell but if someone PMed me and had interest I would entertain making a few for friends.

Look at how little activity my "Cold Air Box" thread gets....it will be a fairly small number that will buy and will have trickle sales after ultimately. Not really worth a shops time. IMO.

Posted by: NYC LS8

I'm in.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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Originally Posted by NYC LS8

I'm in.

Diggin those wheels NYC LS8.

Posted by: rickztahone

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Originally Posted by Bim Turch

with another post being removed due to the person taking orders through email i would suggesting talking to administrators on this site. i would love to buy one of these heat shields and would hate for you to be kicked off and not be able to sell these since there is such a huge demand for them. please take the appropriate steps towards getting this distributed without stepping on toes

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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Originally Posted by rickztahone

Being a actual company selling multible products is different than a member making a unique item that isn't available anywhere and hooking up fellow members.

Guess it depends on how its handled.

And demand is pretty small actually, a fraction compared to aftermarket coils and look how that goes with the performance manufacturers.

Posted by: NYC LS8

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Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Diggin those wheels NYC LS8.

Thanks!

Oh yeah, about the shield..if you want a deposit to show we're serious, let us know. I have no problem with that.

Posted by: dhavol

I'm in Just ordered my KKM

Posted by: hite337

check out my new heat shield and filter

rate my ride at http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934897/1

Posted by: TDUB

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Originally Posted by hite337

check out my new heat shield and filter

rate my ride at http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934897/1

What did you fab the heat shield from?

Posted by: MMAFIGHTER121

just ordered my kkm! although they're backordered... not gettin shipped til the 25th..... Booooooooooooooooooooo

Posted by: BatMobile

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Originally Posted by TDUB

What did you fab the heat shield from?

Posted by: hite337

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Originally Posted by TDUB

What did you fab the heat shield from?

i fabbed the heat shield out of light guage galvanized sheet metal....scrap from some commercial HVAC duct. the foam trim is used for keeping the door sealed on commercial HVAC cabinets....it is made of viton. when i replace my intake tube, i'm gonna redo the heat shield with very light guage mirrored stainless steel for durability and looks.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934897

Posted by: mrfuzz

Whats the measures for that heat sheild, and what filter is that your running? It has much more surface area than the KKM's it seems.

Posted by: Willow9238

So is any way a could get someone to make one of these for me? I don't have the equipment to make one

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