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Originally Posted by barry2952
You're a sick man Bryan. Or is that just another one of your jokes that you forgot to mark with a smiley face?
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
I drove past a kid in his Subaru yesterday with the Kerry/Edwards sticker still on (Get a life) and a 'What would Jesus bomb' bumper sticker. And I should hang out with this guy and show compassion because why? Because he is a complete and utter moron in every sense of the word?
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Originally Posted by crazyman
You can tell if someone is a COMPLETE and UTTER moron simply by 2 bumper stickers?
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Originally Posted by crazyman
IN FACT, someone who reads that response may think the same of you.
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Originally Posted by crazyman
Obviously you are having a hard time realising that some of those people started attending that church 25 years ago to worship god,
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Originally Posted by crazyman
not to discuss politics,
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Originally Posted by crazyman
and certainly not to be condemmed for exercising their goddamn AMERICAN right to choose a president. They have friends there that they have worshipped with for 25 years that they would like to continue worshipping with. I'm sure that if you got thrown out of anything because you supported Bush, you'd be on here telling everyone about the great injustice, probably using the same examples.You sir, very much, need tolerance training.
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Originally Posted by crazyman
BTW, What would jesus bomb?, is a very good question for all religious people to consider.Especially all of those who were taught and "believe" in the 10 commandments. I don't remember "Thou shall not kill" having any fine print.
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
Sure, I'd be pissed. Then I would move on with my life. See, what you Sir don't understand is the more we movev towards this touchy felly crap and liberal ideals of the perfect world, the more f'd up were going to become. Keep telling us what to eat, where to sleep, how much money you are going to take away from us. Just don't expect us to take it anymore. I'm sick of it and I'm fighting back. And if that means getting rid of disruptive influences in a place of worship, so be it. Go pray somewhere else. And your last line is the perfect example of a liberal. Practice what you preach.
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
The godless in our country leading us to annihilation. Wonderful.
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Originally Posted by crazyman
I don't think it's right to kick people out of a church for a political belief that doesn't have anything to do with (though politicians may make a connection) a god.
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Originally Posted by mespock
I guess God is also a Packer's Fan! Also I guess Chubby's would be considered a church as patrons say OMG!
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. I know for a fact that he is being investigated for his actions by the Southern Baptist conference and has been admonished by other pastors in his district.|
Originally Posted by scott9050
The ones trying to make the country into a garbage heap are the zealots on both sides of the isle who want to make life miserable for those of us in the middle.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
This separation of church and state must be worked on from both angles. Politicians and lawmakers need to keep personal religious beliefs at bay when making decisions. And churches need to keep politics out of the church.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
WWJD? I don't recall Jesus condeming anyone, ever.
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
Johnny: I don't recall you condemning Kerry for campaigning in Church. Are you going to do that now? Better late than never. After all, it was the Democrats using this tactic of combining church and state. Hypocrites.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
While I think that Kerry's move wasn't very smart for him, IIRC, his speach from the pulpit followed the mass ceremonies, and the congregation was free to leave. More of a campaign speech that just happened to occur at a church. And the dems are certainly not alone in "campaigning" in churches.
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
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Originally Posted by scott9050
The scumbag is not even man enough to stick to his guns:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/08/chu....ap/index.html |
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Originally Posted by crazyman
I'll leave you with another liberal last line to go with your first paragraph. "Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself."
I practice what I preach, which is more than I can say for alot of people. |
AMERICAN right to choose a president" entirely inappropriate to this discussion. Am I demanding an apology? Certainly not since you didn't direct anything personal towards me and this is a free country, so you have the right to say what you want. But if you look at both sides, then do it and quit jumping to conclusions like most people do, if you really aren't a hypocrite.|
Originally Posted by MonsterMark
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
OOOoohhhh! I'm "going on the record"!! I'm scared! (WTF does that mean?)
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
BuSh ass kissing RIGHT WING MEDIA.
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Originally Posted by crazyman
In all reality, I'm far more intrested in Bryan's ability to turn everything into an attack on liberals than I am these people and their church. I still say that people shouldn't be kicked out of church for their political stance, but, (back to the dead horse), there probably is more to the story.
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Originally Posted by Kbob
So much for respecting peoples' religious beliefs. How typically hypocritical of the self-righteous, regardless of their beliefs. Johnny, you have just showed yourself to be one of the biggest a$$es (used for emphASSis) I know. As I stated, I wasn't wanting an apology as I wasn't offended. But you're just shooting yourself and your opinions in the foot. You want to reach across the aisle, be it Republican or Democrat, Christian or not? Then prove it.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
Got your attention, eh? Why then the silence from you when Bryan and others (pissin' buford comes to mind, as does others) goes off on the same type of rampage on "liberals" and those NOT of the "extreme right-wing, BuSh-ass-kissin' persuasion"?? I thought you claimed to be "in the middle". Thanks for disproving that myth, Mr. "unbiased".
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Originally Posted by Kbob
Did they target me or what I said in particular? No they did not. You did, however, so quit trying to justify yourself.
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Originally Posted by Kbob
I'm sure GWB isn't telling everything, no politician does. But I can't expect him to ignore all the intelligence that is given to him and with godlike discernment know that it's wrong. That may be a good enough reason to hate him for you, but not for me. You have every right to believe that, just like I have every right not to. You take a pot shot insult at someone or something for no other reason than hatred or dislike and there will be times when I respond to them. That's you and that's me.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
My post was in response to Bryan and his rant that started on pg1 of this thread, NOT anything YOU posted. Next time, don't step into the crossfire. But now you have a taste of how stupid some of the crap that flows from Bryan's keyboard sounds...... from a perspective near the middle.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
If that is where the facts stopped, GW's getting "duped" might be forgivable. The fact that GW had designs on Saddam BEFORE 9/11 makes it UN-forgivable IMO.
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Originally Posted by Kbob
Did you read the last line of that article? My question: "What is the other side of the story!!??" Were these ousted people doing something inappropriate as well? Or are we just going to overlook that? Don't forget, the pastor didn't kick them out, they were VOTED out by a majority of the congregation.
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By Andre A. Rodriguez STAFF WRITER published: May 9, 2005 2:15 pm WAYNESVILLE – The turmoil embroiling East Waynesville Baptist Church and Pastor Chan Chandler is drawing national attention from religious and political groups. Last October Chandler told those in his congregation “the question then comes in the Baptist Church how do I vote, let me just say this right now if you vote for John Kerry this year you need to repent or resign. You have been holding back God's church way too long. And I know I may get in trouble for saying that, but just pour it on.” Nine members of East Waynesville say they had their membership revoked last week and 40 others left in protest after tension over political views came to a head, church members say. “Our memberships were terminated because we did not agree to have a political church,” said Thelma Lowe, the lone Republican voted out. “I did not vote for Kerry.” One of the first to speak out was Ralph G. Neas, president of the liberal People For the American Way Foundation. “What have we come to when the doors of a church are closed to longtime members because of their political beliefs?” he said. “This nation was founded on respect for religious belief, and tolerance for religious diversity. Men and women of faith have every right to advocate for their political beliefs. While churches, of course, can set their own membership standards, no one should punish people of faith for their political beliefs.” The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said religious right groups have been pressing evangelical churches to get deeply involved in partisan politics and this kind of controversy is the natural outcome. “This is an outrage,” he said. “Houses of worship exist to bring people together for worship, not split them apart over partisan politics. I think there is an important lesson here for the whole country,” Lynn continued. “Americans do not expect to be ordered to vote for certain candidates by their religious leaders.” Closer to home, Jim Royston, executive director and treasurer of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, called the action “highly irregular” in a statement on the convention’s Web site. East Waynesville is a member of the convention and contributes financially to the organization’s mission efforts. The convention has no roll in decision making at local churches. George Bullard, the convention’s second in command, said if a church’s bylaws allow for a pastor to establish who can be members, he has every right to exclude some. “Membership is a local church issue,” he said. “It is not something the state convention would enter into.” Royston did say that a position as the one Chandler is reported to have taken could threaten a church’s tax-exempt status because it could be interpreted as stepping into political advocacy, an action prohibited by Internal Revenue Service rules. On Sunday, the pastor released a written statement through his attorney, John J. Pavey Jr., following Sunday’s worship service that read, “The goal of East Waynesville Baptist Church is to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world. “This church fellowships openly with all who embrace the authority and application of the Bible regardless of political affiliation, including current members who align themselves with both major political parties, as well as those who affiliate with no political party. “No one has ever been voted from the membership of this church due to an individual’s support or lack of support for a political party or candidate. “All matters of the church are internal in nature and are resolved accordingly.” Chandler also announced there would be a business meeting Tuesday night, which will be open to all church members, “including anyone who was at Monday’s meeting.” He did not specify what the meeting would be about, but members speculate it is an attempt to calm the situation. The estranged members said they were unsure whether they would be at the meeting until they met with their attorney. |
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Originally Posted by scott9050
Wrong, they were voted out by a few including the pastor. The church has 100 members, 40 have left in protest of the 9 that were voted out. One was a Republican. The ones made to leave had told the pastor that they did not want politics in the Church. The IRS is currently investigating.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
An FYI, BuSh DID do the same damn thing, but instead of it making the front page like when Kerry did it, those GOD-DAMN, self-rightous, selfish, anti-american "evangelicals" made a friggin documentary on it called "God in the white house" or something like that. It was aired on LINK TV back in October and showed BuSh sitting on the "stage" in a church talking about how his "religion" influences his political decision making.
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Originally Posted by FreeFaller
I respect people of all faiths and non faiths and their beliefs...and their political stance...as long as it's not ignorant.
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DOH! I was so close.
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Originally Posted by Kbob
DOH! I was so close. |
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Originally Posted by mespock
"A person that will take abuse and not stand up for what's right is not worth their salt," he declared.
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Originally Posted by mespock
Anyone who did not like that direction was free to leave, Chandler said — a statement that caused nine members to walk out.
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Originally Posted by Kbob
So is this saying that the members were not voted out, but chose to leave and took this thing to the media and liberal watchdog groups?
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Originally Posted by Kbob
That's what the world says. I saw this question earlier in this thread: WWJD?
Your post just further proves that there were no winners. And it didn't say anything about those that opposed abortion and their views. I'm sure that would have been too militantly left-wing and would have cast a bad light and would have slowed the process. |
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Originally Posted by mespock
Like him or not he's that guys is out! Maybe he can get a job on the 700 club!
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Originally Posted by FreeFaller
You think this is something President Bush started...read the D of I
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. I hate to break it to you Jonny but religion and God have been an integral part of this country and it's people since the beginning. I certainly hope that my President uses a sound basis of judgment like Christianity to assist in his decision making process. It's certainly a better voice to have in your head than P. Diddy or Jeanine Garafolo like alot of libbies. Your hatred of those with faith does not represent even five percent of the US population. Oh and these so called "america hating" evangelicals were not the ones burning the American flag during protests back in 03 it was america hating liberals... Oh and before you go and call me just another "Right wing jesus freak nutjob"...save your breath...I'm an atheist. But I don't hate people of faith nor do I think their beliefs are stupid. I respect people of all faiths and non faiths and their beliefs...and their political stance...as long as it's not ignorant. |
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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. |
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
Sick freak'n people. Keep up the good work lefties. |
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
Arming kids with information that might save their LIVES because their PARENTS are too lame to do it themselves is SICK? What is SICK is oppressing vital health information or filling the kids heads with lies like what most of the right-wing nut jobs are doing.
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Originally Posted by MonsterMark
Rich, you didn't tell us about your 'other' job.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS
Then there was some noise from Kbob, whatever.
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