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Posted by: muzik4life

Which is faster, STS or Mark VIII

Posted by: K2K

STS vs. Mark VIII is sort of a weird comparison, seeing as one is a four door.

Anyways, faster or better? If a Lincoln guy sneaks onto this thread, brace yourself for a war :-) Well, maybe not, but the answer all depends on who you talk to.

I'd say STS, stock. They're about equal, I think the 98s both do about a 6.8-6.9 0-60.

You can upgrade the performance of the MK a lot more, however.

Posted by: cadillackman

i think a better comparison would be an eldorado and a MK8,i've been fortunate enough to have both of these cars at the same time, BUT,the eldo was a 92 with a 4.9, not a n-star,me and my brother ran them head to head on the interstate and from a dead stop, the caddy killed from 0-60, thats when the mark took over, 4.9=good low end,4.6DOHC=vicious top end.

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

well well well, look at what we have here. looks like a like LVC war is about to start. Allow to add, MY LINCOLN IS FASTER, BETTER AND BY FAR COOLER

Posted by: crash

I raced a 2000 STS at Rock Falls last year. I don't know if he had any mods. My car is basically stock, with a dyno tune. I ran a 14.9 to his 15.1. 60' times were the same ~ 2.2 sec. I think I ran a 96.XXmph to his 95.XXmph. I still have the time slip at home.

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

1992 Cadillac Eldorado TC 8.2 16.5
1993 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.1 15.4

now I do believe well, I know Mark VIII can do 14.6 stock, Im also sure the eldo can do better but still would beat the mark VIII 0-60, 1/8, and 1/4.

form http://www.missouri.edu/~apcb20/times.html#Cadillac
these times are a mix from C&D and R&T

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1998 Cadillac STS 6.8 15.1

the sts' does good, Im bet it would run neck to neck with the lincoln.

Posted by: evillally

MARK VIII is GOD!

Posted by: muzik4life

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkOfDeath

well well well, look at what we have here. looks like a like LVC war is about to start. Allow to add, MY LINCOLN IS FASTER, BETTER AND BY FAR COOLER

THE BOTH SLS AND STS ARE FAR MORE APPEALING THAN THE MARKVIII, AND THE NORTHSTAR ENGINE IS THE BEST THING GOING, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS KEEP IT MAINTAINED, UNLIKE THE STINKIN LINCOLN WHICH IS BUILT BY F.O.R.D.,AND WE ALL KNOWWHAT THAT STANDS FOR,

FIX-OR-REPAIR-DAILY

CADILLAC'S ARE AMERICAS' FINEST VEHICLES, LINCOLNS ARE JUST CHEAP IMITATIONS!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: djKale

My 93 Mark ran 14.9s bone stock too, but my 99 STS feels faster. It definitely has more grunt down low. From a dead stop, I think my STS (stock) would beat my Mark (modded and on 20s) to the 1320 mark, but not by much.

Kale

Posted by: 67Continental

Quote:

Originally Posted by muzik4life

FIX-OR-REPAIR-DAILY

CADILLAC'S ARE AMERICAS' FINEST VEHICLES, LINCOLNS ARE JUST CHEAP IMITATIONS!!!!!!!!!!

My lincoln came with a caps-lock key. you might want to see if your cadillac did too.

Posted by: unstoppable

I have raced many Caddys with a stock Lincoln and the Lincoln won every race.
They were dead even till I hit third and then I just pulled away.

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

evillally your a funny man, lmao

Posted by: MonsterMark

The Caddies have the 3:71's in the front (haha, get it, front drive) so they do pull harder out of the block and do run out of breath up top. I have driven many Caddies and Marks. Had the Caddies had a rear drive configuration with the NorthStar, they would be a much better car. I just can't stand the torque steer. Unbearable. It's the same on the Continental. When I picked one up for my 'ol man I told him he had better hold on to the wheel if he was going to hit 'passing gear'. (He is in his 70's so I had to speak his language). Of course he didn't listen, (he's a man) and almost put it into the wall on the entrance ramp.

Performance doesn't = front drive. IMHO opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by unstoppable

I have raced many Caddys with a stock Lincoln and the Lincoln won every race.
They were dead even till I hit third and then I just pulled away.

Posted by: dertyclown

apples to apples

Posted by: danbuc

According to everysite that has 0-60 times for both the STS and Mark VIII, the STS is faster. I haven't had the chance to run against one at the track, so I can't speak from personal experience. I think it would come down to the driver in the end though. Who ever get's the best launch, reacton time,...ect.

I think the STS would definitely pull much harder on the highway though, especially past 70mph. This is mostly because of the short final drive ratio. The downside to having 3:71:1 gears, is that the STS pretty much runs out of steam at about 150mph. Then again, how often do people drive at 150 mph?

Posted by: Cubster

Quote:

Originally Posted by danbuc

According to everysite that has 0-60 times for both the STS and Mark VIII, the STS is faster. I haven't had the chance to run against one at the track, so I can't speak from personal experience. I think it would come down to the driver in the end though. Who ever get's the best launch, reacton time,...ect.

I think the STS would definitely pull much harder on the highway though, especially past 70mph. This is mostly because of the short final drive ratio. The downside to having 3:71:1 gears, is that the STS pretty much runs out of steam at about 150mph. Then again, how often do people drive at 150 mph?

Your mistaken about the top end, from 70 on the Mark VIII would blow the doors off the STS !!!!

Posted by: Jamler3

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadillackman

i think a better comparison would be an eldorado and a MK8,i've been fortunate enough to have both of these cars at the same time, BUT,the eldo was a 92 with a 4.9, not a n-star,me and my brother ran them head to head on the interstate and from a dead stop, the caddy killed from 0-60, thats when the mark took over, 4.9=good low end,4.6DOHC=vicious top end.

This is an accurate fight, and fair statement... The Caddy has a bit more low end than the Mark... BUT... When you get into the power band... The MKVIII is gonna.... Ughm, pardon the pun... "Breakthrough"... LOL. I just like the MKVIII Styling more than the Eldo or STS. All great rides... But isn't that what were all here for.....? Peace Bros!!!

Posted by: Jamler3

Quote:

Originally Posted by danbuc

The MarkVIII OWNS the Highway!!! I've dusted plenty of Eldo's and STS...
Off the line... thats where your 3.71's push you ahead. 60' times are better but on top, the MKVIII will smoke the Caddy's... Been proven.. Nuff Said!

Posted by: mespock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamler3

I just like the MKVIII Styling more than the Eldo or STS. All great rides... But isn't that what were all here for.....? Peace Bros!!!

Such a diplomate!!! Jamler Nicely put!!!!

I take it we are talking about the newer STSs not the same year to same year - the 93 to 93 etc...

Ummmm.....I guess I'm bias but Got to love the Mark VIII!!!!

Posted by: unstoppable

Again I have to chime in with personal experience here,once we hit third the mark just pulls away fairly easily.And that was on a caddy that my buddy JUST did a full tuneup on.(Plugs,wires,filter,etc,etc)

Posted by: Eldorado Touring Coupe

i disagree that the mark looks better that the eldo. the mark looks like a bar of soap.

that is just my opinion

Posted by: danbuc

There's a reason I've only posted here 14 times in my year or so of membership. The caddy section on this site is a f**king joke.

I could chime in too, about all the Mustang GT's I've embarassed, but that would fall on deaf ears hear. You Lincoln owners just can't except the fact, that GM produces a superior product to Ford. I don't doubt that Mark VIII's have beaten STS's, but I know STS's that have also beaten Mark VIII's.

I can't wait to see what the Mark VIII owners here have to say.

Posted by: MAC1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamler3

It's amazing how some are willing to ignore the truth just so they can continue to live in a fantasy world. Let me state the truth as clearly and respectfully as I can:

Cadillac will kick Lincoln A_ _! Both off the line and top end!

Cadillac--Breakthrough!

By the way, the Mark VIII does look like a bar of soap.

Lincoln--Breakdown!

Posted by: evillally

I've owned both GM and Ford. There's areason I haven't bought or driven a GM product... it's because GM sucks.

And I highly douby that any STS could defeat a Mustang GT

Posted by: danbuc

I have beaten a few GT's in the past, and I'm not reffering to the FOX body 5.0. I'm talking about the later body styles, all the way up untill 2004. In theory, any newer Mustang GT, should beat my STS. This isn't the case however. When I beat one, it's usually because the driver is a f**king idiot, who doesn't know how to shift the car properly, and therefor doesn't deserve it. That's how I beat them. A win is a win though, and that's what counts. Doesn't matter if the car next to you has 1000hp, if you finish first, you win. This Ford vs GM bulls**t has gone on for a long, long time.

evillally, tell me exactly why GM sucks. What's the reasoning behind that statement. Hell, I could say Ford sucks too, but that wouldn't get us anywhere now would it. I think your just bias towards GM, because the only one you could ever afford to own was a Diesel Chevette.

"I've owned both GM and Ford. There's areason I haven't bought or driven a GM product... it's because GM sucks."- I have only one question for you regarding this sentence. How in the hell could you have owned a GM car, if you have A)Never purchased one and B)Never driven one. If you have owned a GM car before, what was it?

Posted by: unstoppable

Okay, heres my opinion on why they suck.My mom has a a deville I think and for one the seats suck.No matter what I cant get comfortable and I always feel like I'm leaning to the left.
The torque steer is completely unbearable.Drives me crazy.

The exhaust sounds pathetic at best.
The heating system sucks, no matter what I do to I do I cant get heat to come out of the upper vents,only the ground.
When I have the A/C on and nail the gas the A/C starts coming through the defroster instead of the upper vents, which has goto to have something to do with a vaccuum problem but nonetheless its not good.

There, so I'm not just bashing them unknowingly.These are my personal experiences.

Posted by: Jamler3

[quote=MAC1]It's amazing how some are willing to ignore the truth just so they can continue to live in a fantasy world. Let me state the truth as clearly and respectfully as I can:

Cadillac will kick Lincoln A_ _! Both off the line and top end!

PAAAHHHLEEEZZZZZ.....

Fantasy World...? C'mon MAC... Now who's living in a Fantasy world!!!!!
THIS IS ONE BAR OF SOAP WILL HAVE YOU ALL WASHED UP IN NO TIME!!!!!!

I love your passion for your car man!!!!

Posted by: danbuc

Maybe you should grab the steering wheel with both hands next time you floor it dumbass. That's why you get so much torque steer, you not strong enough to hold onto the damn wheel. As far as the A/C goes, learn how to use the s**t, and then maybe you wouldn't complain so much. The A/C compressor clutch disengages at WOT, so that the engine can makel it's maximum hp. That might explain the reason for it to switch to the defroster. I never noticed it in my car, but then again, I'm too busy beating up on Ford's to notice the change in vents.

Almost forgot, do you think it's a Deville, or do you know it's a Deville. I find it a little hard to believe that you've actually driven the car, yet you don't even know what the f**k it is.

Here's my turn at putting down Lincoln. They are a second rate luxury car company, perpetually in the shadow of Cadillac, since they were founded. Henry Leland the man who founded Cadillac, also founded Lincoln. The reason why Ford owns Lincoln, and GM owns Cadillac is simple. GM purchased Cadillac, and Leland went off to start Lincoln. He ended up driving it into the ground, and had to sell it off to Henry Ford to recoupe his losses. So, in a sense, the Lincoln motor company as we know it today, was born out of failure. Strange, how it still holds true today.

Posted by: Jamler3

Take it easy there Danbuc..... Love to hear the passion, but ease up a bit bro!

It's all good... I think the millions of Lincolns and Caddy's sold annually do not indicate "Failure" in any way, but I will give ya the fact that Cadillac is leading the charge in the American Luxury market at the moment...

We all love our cars... Remember that is why we're on this site!!!!!!

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

Danbuc you need to calm the hell down, I really dont know if lincoln is faster what is better but I do know my Lincoln Mark VIII will smoke the every loving shlt out of you and the FWD "sports car" thing you own. No im not bias I love the new CTS V and STS V and as well as the XLR. to tell you the truth I got beat by one of those CTS V a month ago.

Posted by: unstoppable

Quote:

Originally Posted by danbuc

Maybe you should grab the steering wheel with both hands next time you floor it dumbass. That's why you get so much torque steer, you not strong enough to hold onto the damn wheel. As far as the A/C goes, learn how to use the s**t, and then maybe you wouldn't complain so much. The A/C compressor clutch disengages at WOT, so that the engine can makel it's maximum hp. That might explain the reason for it to switch to the defroster. I never noticed it in my car, but then again, I'm too busy beating up on Ford's to notice the change in vents.

Almost forgot, do you think it's a Deville, or do you know it's a Deville. I find it a little hard to believe that you've actually driven the car, yet you don't even know what the f**k it is.

I'll respond to your elagantly worded post that shows off your obvious genious in order, that way I dont lose you.
Come on out to vegas and call me a dumbass to my face and see what happens.
Secondly any car that you have to hold on to the steering wheel with all your might so that you dont change lanes when you try to accelerate is a piece of shlt!
Thirdly I'm only 6 Ft. 220LBs if you want to arm wrestle for your measly paycheck we can surely do that.
Fourth, the A/C clutch disengaging at WOT has absolutely nothing to do with the air changing directions and all of a sudden coming out of the defroster vents.If I had said "the air is not as cold when I go wide open throttle" then you would have a half way decent argument.I didn't so again your ignorance prevails.
Oh, and what does learning to use it have to do with the piece of garbage changing to the defroster vents??????????
Fifth,I THOUGHT it was a Deville.I called her and found out it is a "De' Elegance" version and that is what threw me.
Unfortunately I've put at least 6-7000 miles on the heap so I'm fairly familiar with it's good and bad points.

And last but not least,I've got a fairly thick skin and I dont give too much credit to what idiots like you say on the internet but if you disrespect any of the other members here (no matter what they drive) I'll see that you are booted from the site so no one else has to deal with your attitude.
No one here disrespected you or attacked you whatsoever.I posted my personal opinions on the car that I have experience with.In no way shape or form was your response neccessary.

Oh yeah, any time you want to try your luck with either of my Lincolns Or my Lexus let me know and I'll take as much money as you want to wager on it.

Posted by: MarkOfDeath

6 Ft. 220LBs for gods sake chris dont lie to him, really, I have seen chris he is a little dude. i think he has red hair and if I learned anything in life its that red heads can't fight worth to shlts. j/k

Posted by: MAC1

I'm laughing my butt off reading these posts. Truth is, I owned an 88' Mark VII LSC. That thing was fast. I remember toying with a babe in a Saab Turbo (but than again I think they're all turbos')...man was she pissed. When we got to a traffic light she was all fingers with F'n this and F'n that. I just looked at her as said something like "Can't you take it!", "You're the one that wanted to race" with a smile. All I got for that was something like "you think your F'n big" with more fingers and expletives. That day she learned that her crappy 4cly. turbo is no match for a 5.0L.

Anyway, Jamler3, nice comeback!

I respect your passion!

Posted by: danbuc

Well, I'm told my buddy's at the other site, that I wouldn't hold anything back. I'm not an angry person, I just didn't have anything better to do at the time. To be honest, I was trying to push the envelope here, to see what could get someone banned. I guess I'm just not angry enough. As I said before, I don't post here that much, becuase there are very few Caddy owners here. When ever I post a question, it takes two or three months to get a response. I've got nothing against anybody, no matter what kind of car they drive. It's their car, and they choose to drive it, because they like it. This will probably be my last post for the next year and a half, since the caddy section here is always dead. Anyway, I forget where I was going with this reply, so I'll end it with this. Remember to have fun, and most of all, respect the competition. You never know what will happen at the next stoplight.

Posted by: unstoppable

Quote:

Originally Posted by danbuc

Well, I'm told my buddy's at the other site, that I wouldn't hold anything back. I'm not an angry person, I just didn't have anything better to do at the time. To be honest, I was trying to push the envelope here, to see what could get someone banned. I guess I'm just not angry enough. As I said before, I don't post here that much, becuase there are very few Caddy owners here. When ever I post a question, it takes two or three months to get a response. I've got nothing against anybody, no matter what kind of car they drive. It's their car, and they choose to drive it, because they like it. This will probably be my last post for the next year and a half, since the caddy section here is always dead. Anyway, I forget where I was going with this reply, so I'll end it with this. Remember to have fun, and most of all, respect the competition. You never know what will happen at the next stoplight.

As long as you respect other people and dont get personal you will never get booted from this site.That was one of the main reasons Joey started this site.We dont censor anything as long as it doesnt get personal.

I'm glad you calmed down.Thanks.

Posted by: MAC1

Danbuc,

Everything is Good! I have to admit your post had me laughing. When you get goin. LOL. I know you were just trying to rattle a few cages.

Posted by: evillally

Quote:

Originally Posted by danbuc

"I've owned both GM and Ford. There's areason I haven't bought or driven a GM product... it's because GM sucks."- I have only one question for you regarding this sentence. How in the hell could you have owned a GM car, if you have A)Never purchased one and B)Never driven one. If you have owned a GM car before, what was it?

I meant to put "since then" within my post, but I owned an Oldsmobile Delta eight-wight Royale. Broke down more times than I could count in two years. Brakes sucked, exhaust busted, engine broke down, sensors would break and leave me stranded on the highway, I could go on...

All I can say is that when a drunk driver totalled it, I couldn't have been happier. And I know plenty others who have bad experiences with their GMs. I just personally think Ford puts out a better product than it's American counterparts because I have only minor problems with my Ford compared to my GM that I owned many years ago. Want a car that never breaks down? Crown Victoria- never left me stranded and I beat the $hit out of it!

Posted by: Joeychgo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamler3

Take it easy there Danbuc..... Love to hear the passion, but ease up a bit bro!

It's all good... I think the millions of Lincolns and Caddy's sold annually do not indicate "Failure" in any way, but I will give ya the fact that Cadillac is leading the charge in the American Luxury market at the moment...

We all love our cars... Remember that is why we're on this site!!!!!!

WELL SAID!!! I dont know how I could improve on that.

You cant say Lincoln is better then Cadillac or Cadillac is better then lincoln. The Mark VIII may be faster then the same year STS, but stack a 2003 LS against an CTS. Now who's faster? Each Lincoln or Cadillac Model has its strengths and weaknesses. I personally would love to own an STS. I had a chance to drive the STS and I can tell you it is a very very nice ride. It has some power too. I dont think it'll beat the mark top end though, but it will beat the mark off the line in my experience.

Point being - Cant we all just get along!

Posted by: K2K

Does anyone know a 0-100 time on a Mark VIII?

I think a '99 STS does a 17.5 or so. I guess we will see this all settled once and for all at the Sema show next fall.

And MarkOfDeath, compare the 1993 Eldorado to the 1993 Mark VIII on that site you had ;-)

Posted by: mcf1000x2003

I did some research and these are comparisions of both in their fastest years
I was wondering why the comparision the sts is a way better car.Everytime I see A MarkVIII its sittin on its ass cuz the air bags are bad kinda reminds me of the titantic

yr. car 0-60 1/4 mile
1995 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7

1993 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.1 15.4

Posted by: Nakoa

it doesnt matter which is fastest.. i think the real question here is: which leaks less oil?

Posted by: thamarkman

The torque steer in these front wheel drive Caddy's is outrageous. I don't see how anyone can race one. You floor it, and next thing you know your going all over the road because of the torque steer. A person can't even keep the wheel straight. What good is 300 horsepower if you can't put it to the ground?

Posted by: K2K

Quote:

Originally Posted by thamarkman

The torque steer in these front wheel drive Caddy's is outrageous. I don't see how anyone can race one. You floor it, and next thing you know your going all over the road because of the torque steer. A person can't even keep the wheel straight. What good is 300 horsepower if you can't put it to the ground?

You must have been in a "broken" car or something when you floored the car, but the torque steering really isn't as bad as you describe. I hardly notice it - do you drive with both hands on the wheel? I could see a bit of a problem if you didn't, but it's not that much of a disadvantage, we've all seen plenty of STS's and ETC's at the drag strip.

Posted by: PHRANQUY

Quote:

Originally Posted by K2K

Does anyone know a 0-100 time on a Mark VIII?

I think a '99 STS does a 17.5 or so. I guess we will see this all settled once and for all at the Sema show next fall.

And MarkOfDeath, compare the 1993 Eldorado to the 1993 Mark VIII on that site you had ;-)

Well..I can tell you what my 0-100 time is.....14.6 seconds. Then again...my car isn't exactly stock anymore.

When I was looking for a car 2 years ago, I wanted to find something that was fun to drive and that I could make faster but still be able to drive it on a daily basis, as well as afford it. I looked into both the Eldorado and the Mark VIII and after driving both, and not wanting to deal with the torque steer...not to mention I have a very hard time with FWD in the winter (it's counter-intuitive to me), I ended up with a Mark VIII. After driving my fathers '97 SHO (he bought a Marauder) for a couple weeks I had enough with the torque steer...nothing like getting the steering wheel yanked out of your hand after stomping the throttle.

Posted by: mcf1000x2003

I used to want a MarkVIII so bad but then i bought a 95 STS.True it does have some torgue steer alot more than my 00 z28 did anyway. But however i did out run a markVIII on the highway this past weekend in Dallas.But I do have a Magna flow exhaust sysem and a custom intake on my sts.One thing i have to give the Mark VIII is that they have a way larger aftermarket for performance. So it really cant be compared in my opinion unless someone starts building more aftermarket parts for the northstar

Posted by: northpower

I have a 94 sts with exhaust, intake, and a 93 mark Viii with the same mods, and we race them all the time, They both get 2 gear bark, both fill about the same in power but when we line them up the sts always wins, 0-60 the sts wins by a car, 0-90 the sts wins 1 1/2 cars. 80- 130 sts wins by 1/2 car from there on the sts pulls away cause we have z rated op. and ours dose 154mph top speed. And my dad has a 96 mark stock and when i raced him i beat him by 2 cars by 100 so it not that i have a slow mark. I love them both!!! i love the inside better on the mark, but i love the out side of the sts better so they both have there perks! I raced a 2000 Y78 camaro with the 3.8, headers, 3.73 gears, ported intake, weight red.new clutch and i dont know what else he had but i raced him in my sts from a 40 mph roll and we were dead even to 100 when we shut down, he said he runs a 14.5 in 1/4 so i fill pretty good about my sts!!

Posted by: 98LSC32V

Stock STS has 3.73 gears compared to 3.08 for base Mark VIII's. That makes a big difference. Northpower, racing on the street doesn't prove which car is faster. Take both the Mark VIII and the STS to the track and see what they run.

Posted by: northpower

i have the mark runs 15.1 @ 92mph and the sts runs 14.7 @ 96 mph. temp 82f outside.

Posted by: 98LSC32V

Have you done a tuneup on the Mark VIII engine? 92mph is very low especially one with intake and exhaust modifications.

Posted by: Sifrino3

This thread went from WWIII to little love stories!

<~~~I don't mind!

Posted by: 91caddiman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nakoa

it doesnt matter which is fastest.. i think the real question here is: which leaks less oil?

I got a 91 cadillac seville, with 182992 miles, and it doesn't leak a drop.

Posted by: ALBUNDY

I just happen to be reading this thread and it funny as hell. I know its a old thread and I didn't start it back up but I will be looking for other Mark VIII vs Eldorado threads. By the way Danbuc if your reading I think you should start posting again, I'm sure there are more Caddy owner here now. 1996ESC.

Posted by: bigdog1279

im a lincoln guy not a caddy man so i gota say the Mk8

Posted by: ALBUNDY

I love the MKVIII but if the ETC beats it off the line and your street racing light to light how much time would be needed for the MKVIII to catch up if you don't know where the cops are?

Posted by: scott9050

Just to bring this back up from the dead, I ran a 14.651 at 97.21 in my 94 Mark VIII just 2 weekends ago and could have gone faster if I could have gotten in more than 2 runs. This is bone dead stock.

Posted by: Caddy88

Hey im new, but ya know what, i still love my 88 seville. I also like Ford and Lincolin. But what matters to me is dusting my friends on the street. Most of them have a honda or an Escort ZX2 which I enjoy trashing.

Posted by: 95Marklll(Kingcobra)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caddy88

Hey im new, but ya know what, i still love my 88 seville. I also like Ford and Lincolin. But what matters to me is dusting my friends on the street. Most of them have a honda or an Escort ZX2 which I enjoy trashing.

Like he just said dusting the friends in the hondas and other compacts are the best race. I seen Marks dust eldos and eldos dusts Marks. I myself like the mark over the eldo but I dont bash the eldo. We should base are hate toward the ricers. Ford and GM are the last true American companies y dont we bring it to the pavment and show what modern american sport luxury can do.

Posted by: 95Marklll(Kingcobra)

Nothin like bringing up old threads lol

Posted by: ALBUNDY

Well this thread is funny as hell if you read it all the way through but I was looking for Mark ended up with an Eldo and I'm not disappointed. Like 95MarkIII(Kingcobra) said I dusted some Mark's and also got my ass handed to by some Mark's. Both are very exceptional coupes with American muscle.

Posted by: mark0101

just depends on the driver i guess

Posted by: Red STS

I recently went to see the movie Hostile last weekend. After the movie I was at the light with a Mark VIII. This punkass was really trying to get my attention to race at the light. I tried to just ignore it because I had a friendly female with her head in my lap. She noticed a horn blowing so she stopped. NOW I'M PISSED. This jerkoff f**ked up my bj. She says "I think he wants to race."

By this time I made up my mind that I have to get revenge. I was hoping that he didn't have mods because i'm fully stocked. But I didn't care. I was gonna some this

and get revenge.

The light turned green and I bursted out from the gate.(We were on route 40 in Delaware which is a straight away and is known for many racing accidents after hours) But what the hell, he was keeping up on the side of me. I let up a little to watch for the cops in their designated hiding spot. But once I saw it was clear, I BURNED his ass. I got to 125mph, by that time he was in the rear view mirror and his headlights looked like sad puppy eyes. He might have caught up but he just quite at about 100 mph.

So in my opinion, STS will smoke the Mark VIII. After the race, I got a victory lap BJ

So heres to you Mark VIII!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red STS

I recently went to see the movie Hostile last weekend. After the movie I was at the light with a Mark VIII. This punkass was really trying to get my attention to race at the light. I tried to just ignore it because I had a friendly female with her head in my lap. She noticed a horn blowing so she stopped. NOW I'M PISSED. This jerkoff f**ked up my bj. She says "I think he wants to race."

By this time I made up my mind that I have to get revenge. I was hoping that he didn't have mods because i'm fully stocked. But I didn't care. I was gonna some this

So heres to you Mark VIII!!!!!!!!!

I'm just a few miles down the road from you in Elkton, let's set up a race at Cecil next month when they open where we don't have to worry about cops. We can then see if you can "burn my ass"

I out ran a 99+ GT on 95 south of Wilmington last week, he finally gave up after losing 3 times straight. I am not the fastest on the road by any stretch, but I can hold my own.

Posted by: Red STS

I'm cool with a little competition. I've never really raced the car besides a couple of times. We can set something up. I was thinking about getting an intake put in but I might just wait until the spring. Let me know when we can do this. My work number is 302 634 4908. No cheating!!!!! LOL

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red STS

I'm cool with a little competition. I've never really raced the car besides a couple of times. We can set something up. I was thinking about getting an intake put in but I might just wait until the spring. Let me know when we can do this. My work number is 302 634 4908. No cheating!!!!! LOL

They open up at the end of February, one of the Saturday test and tune days would be good. Would be nice to meet another person from the board, especially so close.

Posted by: ALBUNDY

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott9050

They open up at the end of February, one of the Saturday test and tune days would be good. Would be nice to meet another person from the board, especially so close.

I take it you have a MarkVIII?

Posted by: mark0101

tell us the results. Man I am excited about this race.

Posted by: Red STS

Just keep me posted! I will come down so we can tell everyone that the STS is way faster than the Mark VIII. I'ma keep it stock, I will hold of on the rims I ordered so that we can settle this once and for all.

I think once the race is over, you'll be looking a little something like this!

LOL

Posted by: mespock

But when it all comes down to it. The Mark VIII is a modifiable machine which be can be made much faster than it's original stock unit.

Stock for Stock it would be close; I'd put my money on the Mark VIII. I'll also put my money on Scott9050 any day.

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red STS

Just keep me posted! I will come down so we can tell everyone that the STS is way faster than the Mark VIII. I'ma keep it stock, I will hold of on the rims I ordered so that we can settle this once and for all.

I think once the race is over, you'll be looking a little something like this!

LOL

If you can beat the 14.651 at 97.21 I ran at Cecil a few months ago, then you can brag all you want

We'll set up ground rules of 2 practice runs to adapt for track conditions and then the best of 3 wins it.

Posted by: Red STS

I'm cool with that. Talking all this trash, I hope I don't get my ass beat. But I'ma back it up in my Caddi. I have faith her. We can meet up and settle this. You have the home track advantage so looks like I have to make you look bad in front of your fans.

Posted by: Red STS

your Mark is stock right?

Posted by: taylor414ce2003

Didnt realy buy a Caddy for "performance" if I wanted something "fast" I would have bought a vett .I took the Eldo over the lincon because of the looks alone.to each there own--and oh ya the "hot rod lincon" hit 110mph and broke down in the song

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red STS

your Mark is stock right?

Right now, yes. Only thing I have done is removed the silencer and drilled the airbox. She has been faster seat of the pants wise than my 96 ever was.

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red STS

I'm cool with that. Talking all this trash, I hope I don't get my ass beat. But I'ma back it up in my Caddi. I have faith her. We can meet up and settle this. You have the home track advantage so looks like I have to make you look bad in front of your fans.

LOL. Hey, we are only right across the border from you, not far at all.

Posted by: huntz52

all in all i think we have come to a conclusion, F all your caddys and LINCOLNS my caddy is better than all yours STOCK!! you know why! i just saved tons of money of my car insurance by switching to Geico!!!!

Posted by: mespock

Lol

Posted by: pepperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by huntz52

all in all i think we have come to a conclusion, F all your caddys and LINCOLNS my caddy is better than all yours STOCK!! you know why! i just saved tons of money of my car insurance by switching to Geico!!!!

Posted by: mark0101

Quote:

Originally Posted by huntz52

LOL that should be a tv ad

Posted by: mattlikespeoples

here's a little bit of a skewed view from me: I JUST got my grandad's 98 deville to replace my 93 TC. I'd say they're both aiming at the same market. both soft and luxurious cars. perhaps it's the 5 years difference on the caddy and the extra 65hp that makes all of the difference but I'd have to take the caddy. Being a HGUE fan of RWD i was skeptical about all that power to the front tires myself but when i eralized that the torque steer on it isnt bad at all i was hooked. my front tires weren't but i sure was.

As far as speed goes, compared to my wheezey and snarling (straight pipes

)210hp town car gets demolished by the smooth and powerful 275 of my deville's northstar. A mark viii had interested me for about the past 3 years but this $2500 caddy is something i couldn't pass up.

what can i say?

Posted by: Jamler3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red STS

That's funny... Maybe the dude was just Fukin with ya because he knew some chick was slobbin your knob...

Must have been interesting when she popped up her head and said he wants to race.
I woulda been laughin my balls off to much to even push the gas pedal...

Posted by: danbuc

Well...."stock for stock" that STS isn't gonna run a 14.6 anything without some major effort. I ran a 14.809 at 94mph with less than a 1/4 tank, and no spare tire. It was hot outside, and I had to launch with moist tires (Atco has no way around the burnout box...and I wasn't about to even try). I guess under the perfect conditions, it would be damn close. I have seen STS' run 14.6's but not many. It's possible though, you'll just have to run them and see what happens.

Posted by: donmega

I thought the continental was more the match up to the seville

and maybe the eldorado for the mark viii

Well thats probably how the GM and Ford guys planned it anyway, cause if your lookin for a mark viii which looks kinda sporty IMO, but lets say you decide on a caddy at the last minute your probably not going to go with the seville and instead choose a 2 door caddy with the same options / features instead.

BTW when I was test driving cars the 95 seville felt like it had alot more torque then the 95 conti and it even had 150k on it. And thats from the mouth of a lincoln guy.

Posted by: scott9050

Seville will be faster than a Conti. A Mark VIII will leave one as well, as long as it is cared for.

Posted by: mark0101

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott9050

Seville will be faster than a Conti. A Mark VIII will leave one as well, as long as it is cared for.

how about the 275 HP VE THE SEVILLES 275 hp? i THINK THAT WOULD BE CLOSE

Posted by: scott9050

I have to replace the water pump, but then i want to set this up. Cecil is open now, and it is going to cool down again this week.

Posted by: StincolnLincoln

hhmmm heres my 2 cents. I owned a 93 seville once apon a time the car was fun to drive but once one thing goes wrong with it its a domino effect. Parts are more expensive to fix and maintainance is a pain in the a$$ crack. yes cadillac makes a good car but cadillacs have been known not to out last any lincoln built so far.

I had so many things changed on that damn car it wasnt funny and they werent changed cause i wanted to parts were to damn expensive and labor was from hell. But like i said in other threads everyone is intitled to there own opinion. I always see cadillacs for sale and there always leaking something or something is blown, or just not working and when you find out how much the parts and labor are you can just go buy a Mark VII or VIII for the price to get the cadillac back on the road.

NEXT!!!!!

Posted by: Aaron J Williams

Ok, this is from the website http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

1993 mark VIII 7.1 0-60, 15.4 quarter mile
1993 eldo ETC 6.7 0-60, 15.0 quarter mile
These guys say the caddy is faster than the lincoln.

I personally think the best thing about the lincoln is the front air bag suspension. When those bags leak and you shut the car off it lowers just like those lowrider cars! HAHAHAHA

As far as the seats in a caddy being uncomfortable, I can set my 93 ETC's seats perfectly. Do lincolns have on board diagnostics that the driver can access at any time? Seat memmory? Bose sound system? Magnetically dampened active suspension system? OnStar? Real woodgrain interior panels? I do not think lincolns look like a bar of soap,more like a streched and dolled up taurus, Yummy!

On a final note, I just changed the timing chain and water pump on my 1990 fleetwood . both were original and the car has 210,000 miles on it and purrs like a kitten and pulls 18.5 mpg average. I've never seen a ford motor go 200,000 on the factory timing chain or water pump.

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron J Williams

Ok, this is from the website http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

1993 mark VIII 7.1 0-60, 15.4 quarter mile
1993 eldo ETC 6.7 0-60, 15.0 quarter mile
These guys say the caddy is faster than the lincoln.

I ran 14.651 at 97.21 bone dead stock. This is why real people don't magazine race as bench racing is for ricers

Quote:

I personally think the best thing about the lincoln is the front air bag suspension. When those bags leak and you shut the car off it lowers just like those lowrider cars! HAHAHAHA

No leaks for me at 138,000 miles.

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Do lincolns have on board diagnostics that the driver can access at any time?

Yes

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Seat memmory?

Yes

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Bose sound system?

JBL premium sound

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Magnetically dampened active suspension system?

My car lowers itself past 55 mph, has speed sensitive steering etc. Quite a nice system for 1994.

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OnStar?

Who cares for Onstar? Why would I want someone knowing where I am and my car is at all times?

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Real woodgrain interior panels?

Yep, they are real.

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I do not think lincolns look like a bar of soap,more like a streched and dolled up taurus, Yummy!

*yawn* looks are subjective. At least I don't have wrong wheel drive.

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On a final note, I just changed the timing chain and water pump on my 1990 fleetwood . both were original and the car has 210,000 miles on it and purrs like a kitten and pulls 18.5 mpg average. I've never seen a ford motor go 200,000 on the factory timing chain or water pump.

I have gone over 200,000 miles on several Ford vehicles and never changed either. There is a 345,000 mile running driving Mark VIII on Ebay right now.

Posted by: Aaron J Williams

Anyone up for a duct tape death match?

Posted by: mark0101

Cadillac's have their problems and lincoln's has their, and both companies have their bells and whisles.(so please don't try to compare if you have memory seating and stuff)
and from what I have read, the (gen II)Mark VIII does a 0-60 in 7.0sec and a 1/4 mile of 15.3 at 94 mph. The eldorado(I know its not the STS) does 0-60 in 6.9 sec and a 1/4 mile of 15.2 at 94 mph. From fact I know that the gen 1 marks are faster then gen 2.

Posted by: MAC1

I owned an 87 LSC and while it was fast; however my 94 Eldorado (270 hp) would whip the LSC. While I respect Lincoln enthusiasm, I think it's pretty clear that Cadillac has the performance edge.

One mod that would benefit a Cadillac is a limited slip differential. This simple modification will improve overall traction as well as 0-60 performance by transferring power to both front wheels. Unfortunately, one bad thing about Cadillac is the lack of available mods.

Posted by: muzik4life

I cant believe this is still going, I started this thread over a year ago......Cool!!!!!

Posted by: mark0101

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC1

I owned an 87 LSC and while it was fast; however my 94 Eldorado (270 hp) would whip the LSC. While I respect Lincoln enthusiasm, I think it's pretty clear that Cadillac has the performance edge.

One mod that would benefit a Cadillac is a limited slip differential. This simple modification will improve overall traction as well as 0-60 performance by transferring power to both front wheels. Unfortunately, one bad thing about Cadillac is the lack of available mods.

True, overall Cadillac is better then Lincoln in performance, but the Mark VIII is different then the other lincolns

Posted by: mhinchley

97 Deville
93 Lincoln
The Northstar feels faster on the start, but the Lincoln feels faster on the highway. Own both. But none of these are race cars anyways.......unless very well built. Both are luxury sport coupes (Mark VIII, STS, Eldo). I sold my supercharged stang for that reason.........to be comfortable and not have the cops pulling me over everyother block (evidentally street racing is frowned upon). Drive slow------be safe.
LMAO. (however if they made a Mark VIII ready kit, would not mind charging it...........hehe).

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC1

Mark VII versus Mark VIII, my Mark VIII would kick the sh!t out of a stock one. That is not the argument.

Posted by: mark0101

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott9050

Mark VII versus Mark VIII, my Mark VIII would kick the sh!t out of a stock one. That is not the argument.

Posted by: John Hubertz

I am afraid that I'll have the final word on this....

In 1991, 1992 and 1993, I was part of the introduction and reliability team for the Mark VIII product launch. At the time I was senior Lincoln Engineer for the Ford Motor Company's Parts and Service Division, and was based in our Florida office (Orlando).

Four times during that time period, we leased the Sebring International Raceway, and once we leased the Daytona Speedway, to perform performance testing and dealer ride-and-drive demonstrations of the Mark VIII.

We also purchased two new Cadillacs - an Eldorado and a Seville, along with a new Lexus Coupe to use as comparison vehicles.

Lynn St. James (an experienced road racer and one of Ford's factory drivers in the early 90s) drove all three cars back-to-back at Sebring, and if memory serves, was consistently lapping the track between 3 and 4 seconds faster in the Mark VIII. That is a HUGE difference on a racetrack.

In fact, even my personal company car, which was a Town Car with the high output interceptor 4.6 and heavy duty "limousine prep" package, was marginally faster around the road course then the Cadillacs.

We could not get the Cadillacs up to full speed at Daytona, as the suspensions bottomed on the banked turns at about 110 MPH and we broke a front A-Arm on the Eldorado, and suspended testing after 3 laps. They were simply too dangerous to drive under those conditions.

We also boiled the brake fluid out of both Cadillacs several times at Sebring - a problem we did not experience using the same testing protocols and number of laps with the Mark.

Sorry guys....but the truth is, real men don't SPIN their FRONT wheels!

Posted by: brentalan

All good information from 15 years ago, too bad the Mark VIII is dead and Lincoln has nothing that comes close to Caddy these days

Posted by: mark0101

they are coming out with the MKS, so there is still hope..

Posted by: 95Marklll(Kingcobra)

MKS wtf are they calling it that isent there a mark9 but its a mini van/suv thing i hope they switch the names around, and from what I read the new MKS will be powered by a like 4.1 v8 with all wheel drive so idk still concept, I wish they would take the new mustang platform and drive tran from the mustang gt and slap on a more streem line, slick style that are marks would have had if they were still made. Oh yeah you think the new ones will be air suspension?

Posted by: MAC1

Interesting John, how the Mark VIII did so well at Lincoln's little Sebring/Daytona shows considering they were only meant to promote the Mark VIII.

Posted by: StankinLincoln

i dont know if im missing something but the Seville is the SLS/STS comp to the Contenital, Eldorado has ESC/ETC comp to MarkVIII so why are people comparing STS to mk8 or seville to sts. seville and sts are same cars just different trims. compare eldorado to mk8

Posted by: John Hubertz

Quote:

Originally Posted by StankinLincoln

i dont know if im missing something but the Seville is the SLS/STS comp to the Contenital, Eldorado has ESC/ETC comp to MarkVIII so why are people comparing STS to mk8 or seville to sts. seville and sts are same cars just different trims. compare eldorado to mk8

ESC/ETC right.....that was the moniker back then. I couldn't remember - I do recall that the RX7 came out with a big chrome "LSD" once on the performance model - it was meant to stand for Limited Slip Differential but all the local deadheads stuck them on their Camaros.

Posted by: 442Mike

As a new member its fun to sit back and read the Ford vs. GM & Lincoln vs. Cadillac jive... (I'm not sure how the Mustang GT got in there, maybe he'd like to run my '66 442 - but I'd guess not).

Truthfully, I've never payed much attention to the Lincoln Marks... I occasionally see them at the wholesale car auctions, but it's much easier to resell SLSs & STSs. They just seem like much newer, more sophisticated cars. And when was the last time you heard someone talk about how good a product was by saying "it's the Lincoln of the bunch"??!

As far as comparing E.T.s, it reminds me of the ol' saying "The first lier doesn't stand a chance!" That's why there's dragstrips, to sort thru the b.s. Put a few bucks on it and you really see who the believers are! (My guess, and it's just a guess - a late 90s - early 2000 STS would do a number on most Lincolns. (But grab a late model Corvette or GTO & you'll get it done for sure!) Happy hunting!

Posted by: ALBUNDY

Eldo vs Mark is a better comparisen but considering that the STS doesn't differ too much from the Eldo besides four doors & weight ratio why not.

Posted by: MarkVIII93

Both cars are slow... Just leave it at that...

Posted by: Nakoa

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkVIII93

Both cars are slow... Just leave it at that...

OmG U r ToTaLiE sTuPid. LoLz!11!!!one!!
BoTh uV TeHeSe KaRzZ r fAstEr DaN dA SpEeD uV sOuNd. OmG hOw CuD u NoT kNoWe DaT!???

WaNt To KnOw FaSt? dA sUzUkI sWiFt Is TeH FaStEsT KaR eVeR. DuH.
DaT kNeW ChEvY aVeO iS pReTtY kLoSe ThO.

Posted by: J3FF

Quote:

Originally Posted by evillally

MARK VIII is GOD!

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Love the picture.

Posted by: J3FF

Quote:

Originally Posted by evillally

MARK VIII is GOD!

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Love the picture.

Posted by: J3FF

This picture should explain...

Posted by: HappyMofo

ill tell you this simple fact... (and i really do not like the northstar piece of shiet they call an engineering masterpiece)

"Okay, heres my opinion on why they suck.My mom has a a deville I think and for one the seats suck.No matter what I cant get comfortable and I always feel like I'm leaning to the left."

First off, a deville is not a seville. Let me say this again... A DEVILLE IS NOT A SEVILLE!!!

a deville is a 600-1000 lbs. heavier than a seville depending on the year, and also most sevilles are a 4.9L 32V compared to the 4.6L 32V seville. Also, the exhaust manifold and split exhaust tailpipes leave the deville at a 10-25hp loss of power compared to the seville. A seville runs stock at 295hp while the deville is 260-ish (i dont have the figs. off hand so this is a rough guess).

Add the weight differences, the options packages which are lacking compared to the more elegant seville(base price 10000 more than a deville) and the power transmition ratios of a deville are wider than the "sportier" seville... and you get a completely wrong analogy to compare cars to. Deville is more a continental, not a mark8. Thats like saying the mark8 is just as fast as the continental.

Posted by: HappyMofo

Quote:

Originally Posted by StincolnLincoln

hhmmm heres my 2 cents. I owned a 93 seville once apon a time the car was fun to drive but once one thing goes wrong with it its a domino effect. Parts are more expensive to fix and maintainance is a pain in the a$$ crack. yes cadillac makes a good car but cadillacs have been known not to out last any lincoln built so far.

I had so many things changed on that damn car it wasnt funny and they werent changed cause i wanted to parts were to damn expensive and labor was from hell. But like i said in other threads everyone is intitled to there own opinion. I always see cadillacs for sale and there always leaking something or something is blown, or just not working and when you find out how much the parts and labor are you can just go buy a Mark VII or VIII for the price to get the cadillac back on the road.

NEXT!!!!!

amen....this is what i was talking about in other threads...Northstar = shiet

Posted by: MAC1

Come on! I thought this thread was about which is faster. It looks like some Lincoln enthusiasts have finally conceded that Cadillac performance is superior, therefore are resorting to changing the subject to which is better in quality. Well, Lincoln looses again! Interesting that Cadillac is being bashed even though the DeVille won in the American Luxury Car category for the third year in a row into 2004 and the Escalade is ranked among the best SUVs period. While Lincoln is faltering in style and popularity, Cadillac continues to grab more and more of the market share away from Lincoln. In fact, Lincoln has finally realized it can no longer compete with Cadillac in its present state and thus has decided to go back to the drawing board in an attempt to revamp Lincoln styling and prestige. While Lincoln continues to falter, J.D. Power and Associates as recently as September 2005 not only awarded GM with the highest plant quality in North and South America, but also gave GM 16 quality and dependability awards for a record 30 models including the Cadillac CTS for entry luxury car. Overall, Cadillac placed second in initial quality rating behind Lexus. Bash Cadillac all you want but the facts show Cadillac is gaining in popularity and customer satisfaction while Lincoln is faltering.

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC1

Come on! I thought this thread was about which is faster. It looks like some Lincoln enthusiasts have finally conceded that Cadillac performance is superior, therefore are resorting to changing the subject to which is better in quality. Well, Lincoln looses again! Interesting that Cadillac is being bashed even though the DeVille won in the American Luxury Car category for the third year in a row into 2004 and the Escalade is ranked among the best SUVs period. While Lincoln is faltering in style and popularity, Cadillac continues to grab more and more of the market share away from Lincoln. In fact, Lincoln has finally realized it can no longer compete with Cadillac in its present state and thus has decided to go back to the drawing board in an attempt to revamp Lincoln styling and prestige. While Lincoln continues to falter, J.D. Power and Associates as recently as September 2005 not only awarded GM with the highest plant quality in North and South America, but also gave GM 16 quality and dependability awards for a record 30 models including the Cadillac CTS for entry luxury car. Overall, Cadillac placed second in initial quality rating behind Lexus. Bash Cadillac all you want but the facts show Cadillac is gaining in popularity and customer satisfaction while Lincoln is faltering.

And how exactly does any of this banter have to do with which is faster from 1993-1998? G.M. as a whole is going down the crapper, they had to sell a controlling stake in G.M.A.C. just to raise cash, and a strike is a real possibility because of the Delphi mess. At least Ford is righting the ship.

Posted by: MAC1

Quote:

Originally Posted by muzik4life

Which is faster, STS or Mark VIII

Well, above is the original question and I don’t see anything about comparing 93-98 only. At any rate, I was responding to HappyMofo’s comment about the Northstar being “Shiet.”

Perhaps some day Lincoln will finally earn some recognition; however, based on what its selling at the moment any chance for an award will have to wait until it produces better automobiles. For example, the 2002 Lincoln LS V8 Sport with its soft lines is girlish looking—Just another bar of soap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott9050

GM’s problems are related to bad business decisions not because of poor quality, at least as far as Cadillac goes. Clearly, Cadillac quality has improved greatly over the years and Cadillac style and elegance easily surpasses Lincoln. Cadillac has a pretty impressive lineup including the STS-V.

Lincoln has nothing that comes close to the STS-V or the CTS. It certainly is time for Ford to go back to the drawing board.

Posted by: J3FF

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC1

We were talking about the STS vs MArk, but I think the STS should go up againts the Lincoln LS. I will admit however that I will NOT buy a new lincoln. Like every other person in America, fords are overweight and underpowered =). If I had to choose a new car between the Cadillacs and Lincolns it would infact be a Cadillac. I've always liked the DTS(DeVille), STS, Catera, and Escalade.

Posted by: scott9050

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC1

Lincoln has nothing that comes close to the STS-V or the CTS. It certainly is time for Ford to go back to the drawing board.

Quality certainly is an issue with many GM models, I can show you more than one thread currently about the quality issues with the Pontiac G6. As far as perceptions of style and elegance, that is a personal judgement call with no strict barometer that I know of to tell which is which. I could have sworn it was the CTS-V, not STS-V. G.M. just has a thing right now about sticking the corporate LS2 in just about any car/truck that it has.

Posted by: MAC1

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott9050

There is also a STS-V.

http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/vseries/index.jsp

http://media.gm.com/events/autoshows...0overview.html

Posted by: ALBUNDY

A testimonial to performance and luxury(V-Series).

Posted by: HappyMofo

the only thing pretty on that v-series is the ass of the car.

good touch on the spoiler and tailpipes and the added drop sides... but in the 360 view its boxy and very high standing...

77000 dollars and 3 whole color choices... thats fantastic... note to what i was saying about gm in previous threads.

Posted by: ALBUNDY

Maybe your just a rounded type of guy. There's nothing wrong with the lines of the Cadillacs thats what makes it a Caddy and the rounded view of the lines seems to belong to Lincoln. That seems to be the differents between the two companies(besides performance).

Posted by: HappyMofo

no, Al... i like a SLEEK boxy look...

hell i drive a 93 sts, its just that its a high boxy look.

what i mean by that is that my cadi vertically from bottom bumper to hood on the front is probably 16 inches tall.

the headlights alone are that size on the new caddies. It makes it an awkward sight. but thats just my opinion.

Posted by: ALBUNDY

Well I always thought my Eldo's ass was kinda high but looking at one(STS) in person I agree it is kinda high, also if you look at some of the other newer cars(Lexus, BMW, MB) it seems that a high ass is something alot of car companies are using.

Posted by: HappyMofo

yea Al, i noticed that 2... most of the cars are going from the low ride to a higher sitting suspension...

why i dont know, but i hope its just a phase for this cycle of 2007's. i do like a lower looking ride off the ground (not a low rider tho), but just stock nice looking like the bmwIII or even a mazda protege 6.

i coulda bought a caddy 98 sts, but i went for the 93 just for the reason of a sleeker look (but i have to spend more money to fix the bastard up).

Either way, everyone has a subjective opinion on cars. We all like cars depending on our personalities and likes/dislikes.

ive always liked big boats since i first bought a 72 dodge monocco...(18ft longth by 6.8 ft wide)

everyone has different tastes...so thats all ill say about cadi vs lincoln... personally ford has treated me better in service, so i like ford more. Thats about it, which car treats ya better and gives service treatment that is great.

great car = great ride, life, and value.

So any car can be bomb. Nuff said.

Posted by: Nakoa

the 93-97 sts are one of the best looking cars ever, i would have gone with that over the 98 as well. sucks you had to drop so much into it to keep it running.

Posted by: rocket5979

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark0101

True, overall Cadillac is better then Lincoln in performance, but the Mark VIII is different then the other lincolns

Hehehe, you forget the new gen LS? Hell of a lot better suspension than either one of those cars and runs quicker in stock form too!

The only Caddy I have any respect for is the CTS-V. All the other caddy's are craaaaaaap IMO. Except for the classic ones, because those actually have style, instead of just appearing like a big rough shaped block of cheese.

Posted by: mark0101

Yeah LS is a fast car too but I think the 99-02 LS wouldn't be able to take down a Mark VIII. The 03+ might take the mark VIIIs down.
My next car choices are 03+ LS, Cadillac STS/eld or the mercury marauder.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

So far my 02LSE is turning out to be faster than my 96LSC. I wouldn't of thought it, but its true. What it lacks in hp the tranny picks up in gearing.

Posted by: rocket5979

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Originally Posted by mark0101

Yeah LS is a fast car too but I think the 99-02 LS wouldn't be able to take down a Mark VIII. The 03+ might take the mark VIIIs down.
My next car choices are 03+ LS, Cadillac STS/eld or the mercury marauder.

No disrespect to the Mark's, because they are nice cars, but the 03+ LS should pull on them pretty good when both in stock form. From seeing Jason run at the track the last few times it is looking like even a 00-02 LS will stick closely with em.

Posted by: scott9050

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And how fast are they? I ran 14.651 at 97.21 dead stock, so if the LS is faster I would like to know.

Posted by: rocket5979

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And how fast are they? I ran 14.651 at 97.21 dead stock, so if the LS is faster I would like to know.

Yes a stock new gen LS is right there with that, though I didn't realize that the Mark's were that quick. I always seen people posting some horrific time with those. I guess they couldn't drive.

My 05 LS with just $250 in mods is turning a 14.3 right now and has 14.2's in it once I can get things right. If I were to spray a shot of nitrous I would be in the 12's with ease.

But thats kind of cheating. hehehe

I know this next part is totally opinion based, but I think the LS's are much sexxier than any other Lincoln car or Cadillac of any year. Of course I expect others to disagree, which is cool.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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And how fast are they? I ran 14.651 at 97.21 dead stock, so if the LS is faster I would like to know.

You are 1 of a few select Marks that have produced those numbers stock, many with minor mods can't do that. The average GenII LS will beat the average MarkVIII. Its lighter, same HP as a base only 10HP less than a LSC, and the LSC doesn't always add up to faster as most of the faster Marks are pre-LSC anyways. The tranny on the LS is a big advantage I notice. I only have to shift my Mark once in the 1/4, twice with the LS. Also maybe I'm a retard but I couldn't get my Mark to launch for crap, my LS it took me a few runs and I can hit almost the same 60' all night. At least for now my LSE is quicker than my Mark, no ones going to argue the potential of the Mark as not being better.

Posted by: rocket5979

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Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

no ones going to argue the potential of the Mark as not being better.

You are absolutely right about that! God the DOHC 3.9 V8 aftermarket sucks!!! OHHH wait a minute, there ISN't one!

Oh well, I will keep creating my own.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I don't mean to sound like a putso but I'm really surprized at the numbers I'm turning.

Posted by: scott9050

The 93-94 mark VIII's in good tune are the fastest of the Mark VIII's, and more than just a handful have turned these times. Fastest I have seen was in the 14.50's at 99, but that one was a freak. If I were to add 4.10's and a T-Lok I would have had this car very close to the 13's. The Mark VIII's unfortunately got slower as the years passed.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

You bring up a good point. The Mark needs gears to get it past a certain point. I think the LS doesn't have that problem so much, just no aftermarket performance stuff at all to get it past a certain point. Although, alot of people have taken their Marks alot more race serious than any LS people have even considered. Stack the 93-94 Marks up that can run those numbers and stack up the 03 LSes that can too, see which pile is bigger. Same team, just good fun points. I own both.

Posted by: rocket5979

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Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Although, alot of people have taken their Marks alot more race serious than any LS people have even considered. Stack the 93-94 Marks up that can run those numbers and stack up the 03 LSes that can too, see which pile is bigger. Same team, just good fun points. I own both.

Yeah, it is too bad that a lot of my fellow LS owners are all like, "Yo,yo,yo look at my 24" spinnaz!" instead of actually seeing what kind of performance they can get out of these cars. I bet if other people actually took their LS's to the track that they would blow those sh1t-azz C&D LS time quotes out of the water.

Still, there is nowhere near the performance following in the LS crowd when compared to the MK8 crowd. I think I could count on one hand the LS owners that I see that are actually interested in racing, let alone somewhat serious about it.

Posted by: mark0101

02LSE96LSC91SE84TC, just wondering, have been to the track with your cars? What kind of times did you get in each of your car?
now this is how I see it, 99-02 LS have the same performance as 96-98 and the 93-94 have the same performance as 03-06. The 95 Mark VIIIs, I have heard were the slowest.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Well the 95 being the slowest I believe to be a urban legend.

I ran my first MarkVIII a 96 base once, it had a LMS chip and the 900cfm LMS intake. It ran the best time of 15.5, with some traction problems. I didn't heat the tires up and had to leave the traction control on to take off at all. Also hot right off the highway. This probably wasn't its best time, but based on how it ran I don't believe it had anything more than a than a few tenths to improve.

My current 96 LSC has no chip, but does have the LMS intake with silencers removed, some light porting on the intake manifold, stock mufflers are replaced by glass packs and other than that is just well tuned. It is stronger than my first Mark easily. I only ran it once and had terrible traction issues even with the traction control on. I turned a 15.4 but know it has a lot better in it based on terrible 2.6 60's and yet 94 mph trap speeds. I believe it'll break 14.99 if I can learn how to launch it.

Thing is the Marks were kinda hard to run and be consistent, both times I ran them, I had a hard time getting the best out of them, the 96LSC the most. The LSE after a few runs all pretty consistent, I had my luanch pretty well down an improved my 60's easily, Went back a week later with just less gas and no spare and dropped to me a surprizing .3 and picked up a 1.5 mph. If my LSE isn't faster than my 96LSC, its a heck of alot easier to get the potential out of.

To some it up, I could give you my LSE tell you how to drive it and you would likely turn good times, consistently. The Mark its just not going to be that easy.

I fully plan to get the best out of the LSC, just as soon as the LSE does its best. Maybe the LSE is good practice to get me to tackle the bigger challenge of getting the LSC quicker.

Another thought, on the street I am much more confident anyone that trys something with the LSE is going to get a 2.2 60' everytime. My Mark always breaks them lose to have the traction control grabbing, or if off, I'm spinning. Most street races are brief and your 60' really counts.

Posted by: mark0101

Yeah Mark VIII is hard to launch But I am getting pretty good at it. I drove the v6 LS, let me tell ya, it just doesn't want to spin, even in rain. So the LS would beat us on a dead stop but the Marks would beat the LS on a roll.

Posted by: scott9050

The key to getting a good time for me was finding the sweet spot to launch at without spinning. I threw the launch at idle thing out the window as I could not get below a 15.0 doing it that way. With practice I took her out of the hole at 1600-1700 trying to find the right place where it would spin, but it still did not spin (lots of VHT). I also let the car get as cold as possible before I ran. This car is much stronger than my 96 was just by seat of the pants feel, and I think side by side the 94 would have left it far behind at the track.

Posted by: rocket5979

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Originally Posted by mark0101

Yeah Mark VIII is hard to launch But I am getting pretty good at it. I drove the v6 LS, let me tell ya, it just doesn't want to spin, even in rain. So the LS would beat us on a dead stop but the Marks would beat the LS on a roll.

The Mark would win against a V6 in a highway roll of course, but I don't believe it would win against a 03+ LS8. The LS has a 5 speed tranny which keeps it in its prime powerband more often than the 4R70W tranny keeps the DOHC 4.6 in its powerband. Either way, we could magazine race all day and not get anywhere. I am up for either a 1/4 mile race or a highway roll race with a MK8 to just test this. I will put the LS back to stock and whomever wants to race me put their MK8 back to stock and then see what they do in totally stock form. Kind of a more scientific way to approach finding out which one is faster than just a mere grudge match. If anyone is up for it I would be down. It would be cool to hang out with fellow LVC'ers and also test some theories. If any Caddy owners want to show up that would be cool too.

Posted by: mark0101

I meant the v8 in a roll

Posted by: The_purple_lincoln_slayer

Caddys are crap. If this was on the mark 8 forum there would be ATLEAST 20 pages. Cuz no one wants to support their caddys!!! And just by the simple fact of a plethra of aftermarket parts is sayin marks got support. Oh yeah and have fun powersliding in your boring front wheel dive northstar piece!

Posted by: CadillacETC1997

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Originally Posted by The_purple_lincoln_slayer

Caddys are crap. If this was on the mark 8 forum there would be ATLEAST 20 pages. Cuz no one wants to support their caddys!!! And just by the simple fact of a plethra of aftermarket parts is sayin marks got support. Oh yeah and have fun powersliding in your boring front wheel dive northstar piece!

well spoken
from a complete fu*king moron...

Posted by: The_purple_lincoln_slayer

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well spoken
from a complete fu*king moron...

Hey want to race then. OH SNAP!!! nevermind dude. your car has tented rear windows!!! i better stay away!

Posted by: The_purple_lincoln_slayer

Oh yeah and look at how many ppl are on the lincoln forums as opposed to caddy. right now 78-lincoln 8-caddy. you guys sure do love your cars!

Posted by: CadillacETC1997

hahahahahahahhahaha
sure
any day you wanna run them...
ever consider i have other mods done to my car like performance mods as i only listed ascetic mods...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4OxTwMgKkbM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oeLrQpKw1as
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NyW5ddViW_g
http://youtube.com/watch?v=avUqcOchtBA&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_kHTzPvEfLI&feature=related

common now
put up or shut up
next time you wanna be cocky, make sure you know what your up against
and being a mod on Joey's (the admin of this site) parent caraudiotalk.com forum im willing to be he wouldnt appreciate the way you come off here....

and did it ever occur to you to look at CadillacForums.com

Threads: 124,309, Posts: 1,416,934, Members: 68,575

you have to be like what 15-20? you give other youths a bad name, no owner why the nations going down hill...

and fyi to insult my "tinted" windows youd have to get beyond my bar tail lamps to see them, but i highly doubt beyond the starting line youd ever get a chance to see a sight as pretty as that...

Posted by: 97blacksts

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Originally Posted by The_purple_lincoln_slayer

Oh yeah and look at how many ppl are on the lincoln forums as opposed to caddy. right now 78-lincoln 8-caddy. you guys sure do love your cars!

maybe all the caddy lovers are too busy enjoying there cars to spend all day on the internet comparing them to

ty lincolns!
92-97 sevilles are so

ing sexy it hurts.

Posted by: CadillacETC1997

hey now
lets not start a war here
some friendly competition is fine
but this is getting outta hand

Posted by: 97blacksts

hahaha, its all in good fun.
to be honest with you, there are a couple lincoln models that i would love to own. but cadillac has always been in the family, so they will always be first choice in my garage.

Posted by: The_purple_lincoln_slayer

HAHA this is fun. Nice vids dude. at least u can back yourself up. unlike most ppl

Posted by: CadillacETC1997

thank you very much
any of your Lincoln?
i assume a Mark?

Posted by: The_purple_lincoln_slayer

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thank you very much
any of your Lincoln?
i assume a Mark?

Yeah haha there of my old one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnNOFzW59Hk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CfjsS7W4EI
I have a 96 now. its a good bit faster. Crappy quality vids tho

Posted by: CadillacETC1997

what do you have done to yours?

Posted by: The_purple_lincoln_slayer

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what do you have done to yours?

Only exhaust on that one.