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Legal Question

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Posted by: barry2952

Legal Question.

Let's say I bought a huge electrical contracting business. I kept some of the old employees. I hire some new department heads. It was never disclosed to me that there were unsafe practices endemic to the field workers. Reports were immediately made to me by department heads making me aware that these practices are in place and that we are exposed to extreme liability. I do nothing and 9 months later 3,000 people are killed.

Would a court find me responsible?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

Posted by: thamarkman

I think so

Posted by: pepperman

Yes!!!

Posted by: RRocket

I would imagine YES. But let's say you're the mafia and your family "owns" the judges...well you get the idea..

Posted by: Kbob

This analogy is neither profound nor applicable. Since we all know you're talking about President Bush and 9-11, what are the "unsafe practices" you are referring to? What could have seriously been done to prevent it? Would it have had a chance of being implemented pre-9/11? Or would civil liberties groups and the like have blocked any such plans?

You know my opinion, and I know yours. Unfortunately, we're dealing with hypotheticals. I'm sure you would like to punish FDR as well for his failure on 12-7-41. That analogy is much more pertinent.

SARCASTIC EDIT: I thought Michael Moore disproved the terrorist threat?

Posted by: JohnnyBz00LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

This analogy is neither profound nor applicable. Since we all know you're talking about President Bush and 9-11, what are the "unsafe practices" you are referring to? What could have seriously been done to prevent it? Would it have had a chance of being implemented pre-9/11? Or would civil liberties groups and the like have blocked any such plans?

Let's just say for argument's sake that NO corrective action prior to the deaths of 3000 people could have prevented it. IF the buisness owner can show that he at least TRIED something, ANYTHING to fix the unsafe practices, the courts would certainly be lienient in their judgment, if not let the owner off on all counts. However NEGLIGENCE IS INEXCUSABLE.

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Originally Posted by Kbob

SARCASTIC EDIT: I thought Michael Moore disproved the terrorist threat?

You are referring to the terrorist threat from IRAQ.

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS

You are referring to the terrorist threat from IRAQ.

Spoken like a true Michael Moore fan.

"IF the buisness owner can show that he at least TRIED something, ANYTHING to fix the unsafe practices,"

What "unsafe practices" are you talking about?

Posted by: Kbob

EDIT:

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

What "unsafe practices" are you talking about?

How about the fact that none of the government agencies assigned the task of protecting the American people had any real communication with each other? In fact, it came out that they were not cooperating on purpose. Creating an intelligence czar should have been one of Bush's first task since he was clearly warned by a number of agencies that the radical Islamics were about to try something spectacular with airplanes.

What did GWB do with this information? Nothing, he went on vacation.

"Worst President Ever"

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

"Worst President Ever"

SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a genuine POS!

Posted by: JohnnyBz00LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

Spoken like a true Michael Moore fan.?

Actually, this was "proven" independantly by our own government's investigators. Remember, no WMDs found in Iraq and the sanctions were found to be actually working so that Saddam was not, could not create WMDs since '91?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

"IF the buisness owner can show that he at least TRIED something, ANYTHING to fix the unsafe practices,"

What "unsafe practices" are you talking about?

Actually, I was referencing the context of the original post. But thank you Barry for relating it to 9/11.

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS

I mentioned Michael Moore in jest. I'm not sure why you want to continue rebutting a sarcastic joke. I have no desire to get into something that was proven after the fact, not before.

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Was that a known problem before 9\11? Or was this deficiency brought to light by the 9\11 Commission after the fact? If so, then this does not apply. Try again please.

Posted by: Kbob

"SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a genuine POS!"

"Actually, I was referencing the context of the original post. But thank you Barry for relating it to 9/11."

FIGHT TEAM FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT FIGHT . . . GOOOO LEFTIES!!

Posted by: MonsterMark

Ken,

Are you having fun with the revisionists? Simply amazing. Clinton sat on his ass for 8 years and Bush is now expected to have changed the world in 8 months.

Geno, don't make me slap you down bro!

Posted by: barry2952

Yes, GWB and CR knew before 9/11. Many others did too. GWB was just too stupid to listen to the very people HE hired to advise him. HE is the CIC and HE is responsible for not doing anything.

Are all the commisioners liars? Are they trying to "get" GWB? They just reported the fact that the info was there and GWB ignored it.

I'd say that it is HIS responsibility that 9/11 happened. Shifting blame to Clinton is a sorry excuse for Bush's lack of action. You Bushies are too blind to see. You are fundamentalism at it's worst.

Posted by: dertyclown

no If you are talking about the gov. than there are no penilties for there achions. that is leaft up to the people. we do have the power to over throw the goverment. Is 9-11 worthey of this I don't think so, but some might. I have loved ones over there now. and like it or not they are, yet the do there job day in and day out. and I feel that thoes boys and that man that was elected to office by us does reserve a little RESPECT.

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Yes, GWB and CR knew before 9/11. Many others did too. GWB was just too stupid to listen to the very people HE hired to advise him. HE is the CIC and HE is responsible for not doing anything.

Are all the commisioners liars? Are they trying to "get" GWB? They just reported the fact that the info was there and GWB ignored it.

I'd say that it is HIS responsibility that 9/11 happened. Shifting blame to Clinton is a sorry excuse for Bush's lack of action. You Bushies are too blind to see. You are fundamentalism at it's worst.

You're saying that GWB and CR knew before 9/11 that all the different intelligence agencies were not communicating properly. Is this part of the 9/11 report or just your opinion?

I never said anything about the commissioners being liars. What I am debating is whether or not anything meaningful could have been done to prevent it. It's not like anyone was frantically trying to raise the flag that we were in imminent danger. I'm sure the president gets reports on possible threats all the time.

You've accused me of being blind and fundamental at its worst. That doesn't mean much to me coming from someone like you.

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by dertyclown

and I feel that thoes boys and that man that was elected to office by us does reserve a little RESPECT.

No offense dertyclown (love the name btw), but now Barry's going to go off on how it's his right to criticize the president, blah blah blah, then he'll end it with "WORST PRESIDENT EVER" trying to raise the dander of novice conservatives so he can brow beat them and prove his mental superiority to himself.

Posted by: dertyclown

I kind of gessed that. btw Dertyclown is one of thoe things from when your little that just stays in the back of your head. But im usealy just the kid in the redneck or that crazy SOB. or the mex. witch i don't get at all Im not even close to mexican.

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

Please answer a simple question. Aside from overreacting to 9/11 by invading Iraq what has Bush done for the American people in 4+ years?

We're building schools, police stations, fire stations and hospitals in Iraq while we're shutting them down here. Our roads are falling apart and we're building new roads for the Iraqi people. We have more hungry people here then there are in Iraq. Did you know that 46% of personal bankruptcies due to medical debt burying families. There's something he can sink his teeth into.

I repeat, "Aside from overreacting to 9/11 by invading Iraq what has Bush done for the American people in 4+ years?"

Posted by: dertyclown

the army does not buld your roads that is somthing you have to take up with your state. not bush
"We have more hungry people here then there are in Iraq." now your just pulling sh it out of your A$$. if you want to use that as a fact Back you sh it up !!!!
also do you have all the info ?????? hell no do you think the goverment lets every one know every thing there doing... how messed up would that be.
just to let you in on a little known fact. just becouse you thik somthing does not mean it is true. or that anyone eals will buy your BS

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Please answer a simple question. Aside from overreacting to 9/11 by invading Iraq what has Bush done for the American people in 4+ years?"

Have you already given up on trying to find out if Bush is legally culpable for 9/11? We've talked about this other question you've posted as well. Just do a search. I never said Bush was the greatest. All I'm suggesting is that your venom is misplaced. You just simply do not like Bush. That's perfectly fine. But don't expect your accusations to go unchallenged, especially when the reasons for your disdain are rationally disproven and/or contextually put in a historical perspective.

Posted by: dertyclown

well put

Posted by: barry2952

Could you just try answering the question? What has GWB done for the American people in 4+ years?

Posted by: dertyclown

what would it matter no matter what I say you will just make up a fact that proves me worng. so why even try you are nothing but

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Could you just try answering the question? What has GWB
done for the American people in 4+ years?

Lowered personal interest rates. More to come.
We have record low interest rates.
Highest Ownership % in History.
Booming economy.
Raised the standard of living for ALL Americans.
Raised the teaching standards and level of Education for our young.
Terrorists kept in check, so far.
Restored US superiority globally.
Held both houses of Congress to keep the wacko left in check.
Working on tort reform.
Working on clean air.
Working on Social Security.
Beat down the press and mainstream media all the while winnign re-election.
Prescription drugs for Seniors.

Hey, guys on the right. Let's help Barry out. Post as many POSITIVES as you can. I have to take my kids to Florida right now. I'll be gone for a week. I'll see if I can check in.

I would like to see about 5 pages of superlatives as generated by the Bush administration but distorted and filtered by the MSM posted here. Thanks.

See ya.

Posted by: barry2952

Thank you, that's all I asked for. Anyone else?

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Thank you, that's all I asked for. Anyone else?

You ignored my question first, why should I bother with yours? Especially when I am unclear as to the purpose of your question as it relates to this thread. I suspected it to be nothing more than an attempt to deflect the conversation and bash the President at the same time.

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Hey, guys on the right. Let's help Barry out. Post as many POSITIVES as you can. I have to take my kids to Florida right now. I'll be gone for a week. I'll see if I can check in.

Enjoy your trip. Tell Mickey we said hi.

My contribution to the list is that my income tax has been lowered.

Posted by: dertyclown

ok as much as i disagre with barry this is not a barry sucks Thread os lets just say this thread sucks and will be reduced to talking about more improtant things. like how many sheets of TP I use after a big a$$ dump.

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by dertyclown

lets just say this thread sucks and will be reduced to talking about more improtant things. like how many sheets of TP I use after a big a$$ dump.

With my wife and 3 daughters, we go through a lot of TP in my house, let me tell ya.

Posted by: dertyclown

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

With my wife and 3 daughters, we go through a lot of TP in my house, let me tell ya.

ya when I moved out I was shocked at how lond one roll lasted TP goes a long way.

Posted by: barry2952

Kbob,

What question didn't I answer?

If dertyclown is one of your novice conservatives, you've got problems.

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Kbob,

What question didn't I answer?

Here's one:

"You're saying that GWB and CR knew before 9/11 that all the different intelligence agencies were not communicating properly. Is this part of the 9/11 report or just your opinion?"

Here's another:

"Have you already given up on trying to find out if Bush is legally culpable for 9/11?"

And that's just in this thread. Sell your innocent shtick somewhere else please, it's making me nauseous.

And here's a new question that is actually from a statement that I've already said. What was the purpose of your "what has GWB done for the American people" question got to do with Bush being ultimately responsible for the attack on 9/11, the original topic of this thread? Again I'm curious since we've discussed this at length before, and my "lowered my taxes" answer is the same answer that I gave before.

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

If dertyclown is one of your novice conservatives, you've got problems.

Dertyclown is his own person, whatever he believes. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Posted by: JohnnyBz00LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

Here's one:

"You're saying that GWB and CR knew before 9/11 that all the different intelligence agencies were not communicating properly. Is this part of the 9/11 report or just your opinion?"

Gee, the GOP seems to think Clinton was aware of this, so it isn't a stretch to presume GWB and CR knew it, or at least they should have. What's their excuse again?

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS

Gee, the GOP seems to think Clinton was aware of this, so it isn't a stretch to presume GWB and CR knew it, or at least they should have. What's their excuse again?

I believe the logic was that IF Bush knew, then Clinton had to know as well. Either way it's speculation.

Posted by: mespock

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Raised the teaching standards and level of Education for our young.

See ya.

Sorry spend more time in a school - This hasn't happened!! How many left behind children do you want! To See! Mr Bush's plan may sound good No Child Left Behind but there are schools of them throughout the US..

All he did was test kids!! I guess a test will help struggling kids!!

What it did do is teach school Districts to teach to a test so they look good!! And sorry I'm not one!!

I still do what I've done for 22 years of teaching...

Reach out to all children I can.. Present quality lessons... and attempt to meet the need of every pupil...

I didn't need a test to do this and it can't be tested!!

So please don't tell me that GW did well for education!! I haven't seen a President do this yet!!

Now we do have a Governor in the State of Wisconsin trying hard to help education!!

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by mespock

I would like to see some proof that this isn't working besides a biased opinion please. And what exactly is the governor of Wisconsin doing to help education? My guess is more money down the drain.

Posted by: JohnnyBz00LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

I believe the logic was that IF Bush knew, then Clinton had to know as well. Either way it's speculation.

No speculation at all about what Bush did or didn't know pre-9/11. No speculation required either about GW's attempts to cover his tracks and deceive the voting public pre 11/2/04. See post in this thread about the recently declassified sections of the 9/11 Comission report:

Voters left clueless about pre-9/11 truths

NEGLIGENCE IS IN-EXCUSABLE. IMPEACH GEORGE W. BUSH!!

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS

NEGLIGENCE IS IN-EXCUSABLE. IMPEACH GEORGE W. BUSH!!

I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK!

Posted by: 97silverlsc

MonsterMark said:

"Lowered personal interest rates. More to come.
We have record low interest rates."

Interest rates are on their way back up!

"Highest Ownership % in History."

Due more to programs put in place by Bubba than anything Shrub has done.

"Booming economy."

Inflation is on the rise.

"Raised the standard of living for ALL Americans."

Tell that to all the people hurt by past and present Shrub budgets, especially the latest proposals.

"Raised the teaching standards and level of Education for our young."

It's called unfunded mandates and is forcing teachers to "teach to the test"

"Terrorists kept in check, so far.
Restored US superiority globally."

Debatable. Everything I've read, we're at our lowest respect level worldwide.

"Held both houses of Congress to keep the wacko left in check.
Working on tort reform."

A gift to corporations.

"Working on clean air."

Another gift to corporations, more like working on destroying clean air.
"Working on Social Security."

A gift to Wall street campaign donors, no blessing for the working man.

"Beat down the press and mainstream media all the while winnign re-election."

Something to be proud of only if you're doing things wrong and don't want people to know about it!!

"Prescription drugs for Seniors."

Revised estimates increase the tab by hundreds of billions of dollars, all the while catering to the pharmaceutical companies by refusing to allow for negotiation of prices!!
Yep, a lot to be proud of if you are a corporate lobbyist.

Posted by: Kbob

Where'd that wascally wabbit go!

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBz00LS

I would have never guessed that you guys wanted to impeach Bush. (mock surprise)

I'll pick that editorial apart in the other thread.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Really, the answer depends on the sale contract and due dilligence. Did the seller agree to hold you harmless from previous liabilities? Did you do sufficient research to learn if such a problem exists? Did the seller know and reveal that to you?

Posted by: Kbob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Really, the answer depends on the sale contract and due dilligence. Did the seller agree to hold you harmless from previous liabilities? Did you do sufficient research to learn if such a problem exists? Did the seller know and reveal that to you?

Hahahaha! I'm laughing at myself because at first I thought you were either on drugs or lost. But now I realize you were just answering the thread topic question. That's what happens when you chase rabbits. (

to myself)