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The shoe is about to drop....

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Posted by: MonsterMark

Hillary made alot of people feel like they have buyers remorse with Barack after tonight's speech.

http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BO-N...BriefFacts.htm

The lawsuit has been filed. Obama is in the process of being served. Things are starting to get interesting.

OBAMA BIDEN

I B A BAD OMEN

Stop the Anti-Christ now!

Posted by: MonsterMark

Update:

Barry did get served on Monday by the US Marshalls office.

Correction 8/27:

The FEC and the DNC were both served. Barry continues to be unserved as of this posting.
Sure hope there are cameras there when he is.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Update:

First major newspaper to cover the Obama COLB story Aug. 25, 2008.

http://www.timesherald.com/site/news...= 33380&rfi=6

Posted by: fossten

I guess I'm so used to the bad guys winning that I seriously doubt Obama will fail to slither out of this.

Posted by: MonsterMark

The 'noose' (pardon the term) is tightening...

http://web.israelinsider.com/Article...tics/13075.htm

Inconsistencies undermine FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate"

Posted by: shagdrum

It seems that it is still "game on" for the Obama COLB issue...

Posted by: MonsterMark

LMAO!

Barry's sister Maya is going to introduce him Thursday night.

Guess what song they have chosen to play for his intro???

Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen.

I haven't been this giddy in decades.

This is going to be the most amazing debacle in American history.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

LMAO!

Barry's sister Maya is going to introduce him Thursday night.

Guess what song they have chosen to play for his intro???

Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen.

I haven't been this giddy in decades.

This is going to be the most amazing debacle in American history.

I wish I shared your optimism.

Hillary caught on tape committing clear election felonies, nothing happens to her. Harry Reid and his shady land deals. I could go on and on. Nothing happens to these people.

Even Fox News won't play Bill Ayers ads.

Meanwhile, Scooter Libby gets convicted of a felony.

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

I understand that, but not being a natural born citizen when running for president is a little different. In a way, it is a little more serious...

Posted by: Marcus

Quote:

Originally Posted by shagdrum

I understand that, but not being a natural born citizen when running for president is a little different. In a way, it is a little more serious...

It would be, if there was a single shred of evidence to support the claim. There isn't. I remind you that the guy behind this lawsuit is a 9/11 "truther". These people cannot be reasoned with because their brains operate in a different reality, where lack of absolute proof of innocence equals absolute proof of guilt.

Posted by: Calabrio

It's hard to imagine that the entire DNC completely missed this, or that all of the opposition research run during the primary failed to note it as well. Because otherwise, it would imply the most arrogant kind of condescending over confidence or a conspiracy.

Even Hillary doesn't want to see a return to 1968 style convention.
Unless she thinks she can slip into the top slot with just a few weeks before the election and then run without having had to endure months of negative adds and debates- like in Jersey, when Torricelli backed out of the Senate race (while behind in the polls and caught taking "improper gifts) making the candidate suddenly Lautenberg with just weeks left. Lautenberg had suffered no damaged or negatives after a year of campaigning like his Republican opponent had, and then won the election.

Posted by: shagdrum

well, there seems to be enough evidence to cast doubt. Especially judging by that last article MonsterMark posted...

Either way, it is now in federal court and it will be interesting to see what (if anything) comes of it...

Also, I would be very careful with wording and drawing conclusions when pointing out that the guy behind the lawsuit is a 9/11 truther and "cannot be reasoned", etc., etc. That comes close to an argumentum ad hominem and an effective red herring. Just trying to keep ya honest.

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calabrio

I could very easily see the arrogant condescending over confidence. That has been a halmark of the Democratic party, hubris. That hubris has been getting worse and worse over the years as well...

I doubt an out and out conspiracy...except maybe to cover their tracks after they got caught with their pants down due to their hubris...

Posted by: MonsterMark

Humm,

Let’s see who this guy is.

Former gubernatorial candidate
Former senatorial candidate
Former Democrat Party chair
Former member of the Democratic State Committee
Former Deputy Attorney General of the state of PA.

The guy knows the Republicans have this info and is trying to stop the Obama train so the Dems can switch tracks before it is too late.

Truther 9/11. You guys crack me up.

You have a Manchurian candidate staring you in the face.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calabrio

It's hard to imagine that the entire DNC completely missed this, or that all of the opposition research run during the primary failed to note it as well. Because otherwise, it would imply the most arrogant kind of condescending over confidence or a conspiracy.

Even Hillary doesn't want to see a return to 1968 style convention.
Unless she thinks she can slip into the top slot with just a few weeks before the election and then run without having had to endure months of negative adds and debates- like in Jersey, when Torricelli backed out of the Senate race (while behind in the polls and caught taking "improper gifts) making the candidate suddenly Lautenberg with just weeks left. Lautenberg had suffered no damaged or negatives after a year of campaigning like his Republican opponent had, and then won the election.

This is why I told Bryan it was a waste of time and money. Even if you get Obama removed, which would be a Herculean task in the first place, you get what...Hillary? McCain's already spent millions on Obama.

Posted by: TheDude

What if it's all one big Democratic conspiracy (as everything is) to use Obama's image to win the presidency; then after he's sworn in, destroy him via that shoe-drop? The plot thickens.

How much is Berg's lawsuit going to cost the American taxpayers?

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by fossten

Even if you get Obama removed, which would be a Herculean task in the first place, you get what...Hillary?

Hey come on. I can only spend time defeating one communist at a time. Give a guy a break eh.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Hey come on. I can only spend time defeating one communist at a time. Give a guy a break eh.

Monster,

Is this the same Philip Berg? http://www.911forthetruth.com/

A message from Phil Berg:
A call to unity - 911 for the truth!
"It is time for a non-violent revolution by the millions of Americans who are tired of their rights being diminished
by the Bush Administration; tired of the lies of the Bush Administration; tired of the lies about Iraq; and tired and disgusted with the lies about 911. NOW is the time to stand tall together and bring back our freedoms as they
stood under the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States.
It is time to unite - hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder."

You might want to bet on another horse if so.

Posted by: MonsterMark

I know. Same guy.

He actually represented a woman in the twin towers case. He received a settlement offer and refused and decided to sue Bush for more money and lost.

I know his history.

He was the only person willing to take all these bits and pieces and put them together and go for it.

He hates Obama. Is a big Hillary shrill. Can't stand Repubs. I know the whole thing.

With that said, what he is suing for needs to be looked into. Simple as that. There has been smoke for months. Now we need to see if there is fire.

If his suit gets tossed (which it probably will) then it is up to the Republicans or a 527 with balls, to take on the Obama media machine.

Posted by: TheDude

Don't get me wrong, being a loon doesn't mean he'll always be wrong by default.

If it has merit, how did it slip by for so long? Why haven't the "Republicans" moved on this long ago? Why didn't Hillary's people move in on it when they were neck-to-neck? These 'whys' tend to discredit Berg's claims.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Don't get me wrong, being a loon doesn't mean he'll always be wrong by default.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he is the only one to piece this all together and take action.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

If it has merit, how did it slip by for so long?

It has been brewing for 2 months in the blogosphere.

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Why haven't the "Republicans" moved on this long ago?

They have no standing until Barack is officially nominated. And why would they? Barack is beatable. Hillary would be tougher.

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Why didn't Hillary's people move in on it when they were neck-to-neck?

Because she would take the hit and blacks would vote for McCain which means she would lose.

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

These 'whys' tend to discredit Berg's claims.

I know what you are saying. However, I've been invloved in this for months now and there is meat to the 'divided loyalties' issue with Barack being both an American and Indonesian citizen. Indonesia doesn't recognize dual citizenships. Unless Barack reaffirmed, and there is no evidence of this, he is not eligible to be POTUS.

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

They have no standing until Barack is officially nominated. And why would they? Barack is beatable. Hillary would be tougher.

That is a big issue. The lawsuit would be thrown out if there was no standing. That is the reason for the Newdow case being rejected by the SCOTUS. You have to have standing to file a lawsuit.

That is probably the best reason (and a very legitimate one) for why the Republicans, or Hillary, or whoever hasn't moved on this...

Posted by: MonsterMark

I'm going to have to give you an 'A' in civics class.

Posted by: Marcus

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

But what evidence is there of Indonesian citizenship? None whatsoever. Only assertions.

And assuming he has never had Indonesian citizenship, how exactly is he supposed to prove that to your satisfaction? You've never answered that question. For that matter, prove to me that YOU have never held Indonesian citizenship!

Posted by: Marcus

Quote:

Originally Posted by shagdrum

That is a big issue. The lawsuit would be thrown out if there was no standing.

And it will be, soon enough. Not that it'll make a damn bit of difference to Bryan and his flunkey friends. They'll just claim it's because the judge is a liberal or Obama's people got to him, or some other such bullsh!t.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

But what evidence is there of Indonesian citizenship? None whatsoever. Only assertions.

Gee, this might qualify as pretty good evidence.

And FYI, you needed to be an Indonesian citizen to get into the public schools there (those are the good ones, as opposed to the US where the public schools suck).

Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Citizenship: Indonesian

I know. Barry's Mommy and Daddy lied on the form to fool the Indonesian government because they didn't want Barry to someday be disqualified for President of the United States.

Oh boy, yawn, time for beddyby.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

While I understand your skepticism, you're walking the borderline between skeptic and James Carville.

What if it's true? Would you accept it, or will you just claim it's a vast right wing conspiracy?

Posted by: Marcus

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I thought he went to a radical Muslim madrassa. Or did you give up on that angle?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Citizenship: Indonesian

I know. Barry's Mommy and Daddy lied on the form to fool the Indonesian government because they didn't want Barry to someday be disqualified for President of the United States.

Or perhaps they lied in order to fool the Indonesian government into thinking he actually was an Indonesian citizen so he could get an education. That's certainly a more plausible explanation. Or are you suggesting that he was born "Barry Soetoro" despite the fact that his mother wouldn't meet Lolo for at least another five years? This is the part I don't get.

Even if (and this is a long trip down the rabbit hole) his mother and stepfather somehow arranged for him to get Indonesian citizenship when he was six years old, it would have been fraudulent, since we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was born in Hawaii.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Wow, I thought you were an informed American.

Lolo Soetoro adopted "Barack" when he moved the family to Indonesia.

You can think all you want that Lolo, a former Army geologist and later government relations consultant would risk death by lying to the government on this application.

Put your tin foil hat back on. I think you are starting to get sunburn.

And yes, the school was a madrassa, and Obama prayed daily (and still does to this day I'm sure).

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

since we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was born in Hawaii.

And how do you know that? Which hospital was he born in?

Posted by: Joeychgo

Now, what was it again that Hillary's people were gonna do at the convention?

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Now, what was it again that Hillary's people were gonna do at the convention?

As Democrats, nothing. They are pussies.They will throw every conviction overboard in their lust for power.

Don't worry. McCain has picked a conservative female for running mate and this ball game is over.

Posted by: Joeychgo

I dont think ill hold my breath on this one...

Im not worried though. I havent made up my mind on who Ill be voting for yet.

However, this has me interested...

Posted by: MonsterMark

Even the wacko lefties were kept 5 blocks from the convention. What did you expect to happen. Obama had the place in a police lock-down.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Yeah, Obama had it all locked down.. Right.

Posted by: fossten

Um...Joey, please explain to me how people making less than $20k per year even pay taxes right now.

Your entire chart is suspect.

And look at the last line. That's an awful tax increase, especially for business owners to pay. Who do you think keeps this economy running?

Obama's tax plan discriminates, and fosters class warfare. Typical Marxism.

McCain's tax plan is fair, cuts for everybody. Let the gov do with less for a change.

Posted by: Joeychgo

I just said it interested me. Where do you get that I support Obama? ROFL - you guys are priceless.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

I just said it interested me. Where do you get that I support Obama? ROFL - you guys are priceless.

Who said that? I didn't.

Posted by: Marcus

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Who do you think keeps this economy running?

Consumers do.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

Consumers do.

Not if they don't have jobs.

Posted by: Marcus

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Not if they don't have jobs.

And if they don't have jobs, they don't have money to spend on Mr. Small Business's products and he goes under. Funny how that works isn't it?

Consumer demand drives the economy, period. Over 70 percent worth, in fact. When demand is flat or declining, what kind of fool is going to increase supply? The only thing tax cuts for the wealthy do in bad economic times is give them a bigger economic cushion while they ride out the storm.

Supply-side economics is a failure and a farce, and the biggest lie ever perpetrated on the American people. It looks good on paper but has never been shown to work in practice, despite all the talking points about Reagan, Friedman and Laffer. Bush Sr. was absolutely right to call it "voodoo economics".

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

Consumer demand drives the economy, period. Over 70 percent worth, in fact. When demand is flat or declining, what kind of fool is going to increase supply? The only thing tax cuts for the wealthy do in bad economic times is give them a bigger economic cushion while they ride out the storm.

Unless these wealth who get the tax cuts are hording that money under their matresses, that money is going back into the economy to create jobs, and stimulating the economy. Period.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

The only way you can ever prove this assertion is if you can somehow convince the government to get its super bazillions of tentacles out of the free market and see what happens. Until then I'll just assume you're full of crap.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Yeah, Obama had it all locked down.. Right.

Futility Of Protesting At Denver DNC

ABC Reporter Arrested in Denver Taking Pictures of Senators, Big Donors

Why The Democrats Put Protesters In Cages

Four remain jailed after Monday crackdown

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Your entire chart is suspect.

Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What

For Tax Year 2006

Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1% $388,806 39.89%

Top 5% $153,542 60.14%

Top 10% $108,904 70.79%

Top 25% $64,702 86.27%

Top 50% $31,987 97.01%

Bottom 50% <$31,987 2.99%

Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

Don't let the little issue of facts get in the way of your facts.

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

Supply-side economics is a failure and a farce, and the biggest lie ever perpetrated on the American people. It looks good on paper but has never been shown to work in practice, despite all the talking points about Reagan, Friedman and Laffer. Bush Sr. was absolutely right to call it "voodoo economics".

Actually, supply side policies have been demonstratably show to work in practice.

On the other had, what democrat fiscal policies have been demonstratably show to work to the betterment of the economy? Tax increases? Price caps? what?

I think we have discussed this in another thread...

Posted by: Marcus

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

And what should these numbers be in your ideal world?

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

And what should these numbers be in your ideal world?

Everybody pays the same percentage of their income into the system. Simple and ideal.

I could destroy the Democrat party.

I would force every American taxpayer to write a check every quarter for the taxes they owe; FICA, Medicare, Fed and State taxes and have them pay their employers share of the S.S. (6.2%) and the Medicare (1.45%) so they see where the other 7.65 goes, in addition to making them pay Unemployment Compensation.

The Dems would be out of business in a year.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

What's implied by your post is that the Dems have to hide what they stand for, which is higher taxes and more gov control. If the Dems were totally honest about their platform, they wouldn't hold 20 seats in the House.