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McCain pick - Sarah Palin merged thread?????

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Posted by: MonsterMark

I hope it is Kay Bailey Hutchinson.

Putting her on the ticket would grab those disaffected Hillary supporters and give McCain the victory.



Posted by: fossten

She's pro-choice. Uh-uh. Stop listening to Dick Morris. He's been wrong about most things this year.

Romney's probably the best choice.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten View Post
She's pro-choice. Uh-uh. Stop listening to Dick Morris. He's been wrong about most things this year.

Romney's probably the best choice.
Dick Morris is one of the biggest buffoons around.

I've been looking for a female candidate for the RNC for a while. She fits the bill.

You might want to look at this. She is NOT a die-hard pro-choicer.

http://www.ontheissues.org/social/Ka...n_Abortion.htm



Posted by: fossten

Don't put a straw man in front of me. I didn't say "die-hard." I said "pro choice."

She's not good enough for me.

You might want to read your own links.

Quote:
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines.


Quote:
Expand embryonic stem cell research.
Hutchison signed a letter from 58 Senators to the President
Dear Mr. President:

We write to urge you to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research.


Quote:
Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion.


FYI, Dick Morris also advocated Hutchison. He's wrong. Romney's better. We don't need a woman, we need a good VP candidate.



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
Putting her on the ticket would grab those disaffected Hillary supporters and give McCain the victory.
How probable is that? If likely, be a wise choice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten View Post
She's pro-choice. Uh-uh. Stop listening to Dick Morris. He's been wrong about most things this year.

Romney's probably the best choice.

Picking a VP on a one issue platform isn't the wisest of stances, if that is your only failing with her?

It's also VERY unlikely that a McCain/Romney ticket would be able to reverse Roe V. Wade if they won, again, if that's your only beef.



Posted by: ford nut

What about Timmy ? http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/27344619.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DU2EkP7K_V_GD7EaPc: iLP8iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

Thats all I hear form these parts. I hate to see it hes all we got here to keep the Dems from taxing us to death.



Posted by: Bob Hubbard

I think he will pick Liberman.
Bob.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
How probable is that? If likely, be a wise choice.




Picking a VP on a one issue platform isn't the wisest of stances, if that is your only failing with her?

It's also VERY unlikely that a McCain/Romney ticket would be able to reverse Roe V. Wade if they won, again, if that's your only beef.
It's too easy to find qualified, competent VP candidates that are pro-life. Hutchison's only issue that appeals to Bryan is that she's a woman, so your comment about single issue platforms is more appropriately directed toward him.

Neither McCain or Romney have a say in Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court has a say in that. What they do have a say in is vetoing legislation such as federally funded embryonic stem cell research and other such hot button issues, and that is why Hutchison isn't a good choice. Social cons won't accept her.

Anyway, your comment isn't logical. You said picking a VP on a one issue platform, but that's not what I'm doing. I'm rejecting her because of a very important issue which other equally or more qualified candidates don't have a problem with. It's more rational to reject a candidate based on one issue than it is to pick one based on one issue.



Posted by: TheDude

I see your point. In Bryan's defense (correct me if I'm wrong), he's looking at the immediate issue of getting McCain into office. ie what would the most qualified VP matter if they can't win.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
he's looking at the immediate issue of getting McCain into office.

Bingo! We have a winner.

You can't do anything unless you have the power.

I'm looking at the Supreme Court as the #1 issue. I'm not a McCain guy, but when confronted with the choices, I am not one to 'vote my conscience' to feel good about myself by feeling I made a statement. So sorry, Bob Barr won't do it for me. McCain is palitable. Obama is not. End of story.

McCain needs Hillary's disaffected voters. A woman VP would give them the White House, whether it be Hutchinson or Dole and would probably prevent further erosion in the House and Senate.



Posted by: fossten

Sorry, but Hillary's voters will vote McCain anyway. She practically endorsed him over Obama during the primaries, and McCain is running the ad showing that very clip as we speak. It is not necessary to select a woman VP, especially one who is pro choice. You will lose conservative votes.

You are advocating a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.



Posted by: TheDude

I'm curious where you think those conservative votes will go, since voting Dem would essentially be voting "pro choice"?



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
I'm curious where you think those conservative votes will go, since voting Dem would essentially be voting "pro choice"?
They'll be less motivated to go vote; thus, they'll stay home.



Posted by: Kbob

McCain makes decision on his vice presidential pick

08-28-2008 3:58 PM
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

DENVER (Associated Press) -- An aide says Republican presidential candidate John McCain decided on a running mate early Thursday.

No word yet on who it is. But McCain is expected to announce his vice presidential pick soon and appear with the person at a rally in Dayton, Ohio, on Friday.

One top prospect, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, abruptly canceled numerous public appearances on Thursday.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

DENVER (AP) _ Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting John McCain stayed mum about his pick of a running mate Thursday and one top prospect, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, abruptly canceled numerous public appearances.

Without explanation, Pawlenty called off an Associated Press interview at the last minute, as well as other media interviews in Denver, site of the Democratic National Convention.

Others believed to be in contention for the No. 2 slot on the GOP ticket included former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who was meeting with donors throughout California, and Democrat-turned-independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, who was vacationing on New York's Long Island.

Former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, too, was still a possibility, as was the idea that McCain would choose a dark horse from any number of names that have circulated.

McCain, however, was uncharacteristically silent.

As McCain and his wife, Cindy, boarded a plane in Phoenix bound for Dayton, Ohio, reporters shouted a barrage of questions at the senator about whether he'd made up his mind.

McCain wasn't biting. He flashed a double thumbs-up and boarded the plane.

The GOP nominee-in-waiting is widely expected to name his running mate in the coming days, perhaps as early as Thursday night or Friday. He and his No. 2 are expected to appear together for the first time at one or more rallies planned for Ohio, Pennsylvania and Missouri in the run-up to Monday's convention kickoff.

In an interview aired Thursday morning, McCain said he still hadn't made up his mind. Far from quieting speculation, this only fueled it as he sought to siphon attention from Democrat Barack Obama's acceptance of the presidential nomination in Denver by playing coy.

He told KDKA NewsRadio in Pittsburgh in an interview taped Wednesday: "I haven't decided yet so I can't tell you."

McCain, who spoke with the radio station from his home in Arizona, told people late Wednesday that he wasn't going to make a final decision until after he talked with his wife. She has been in the country of Georgia this week and returned late Wednesday.

With both the eventual pick and the effort to keep buzz alive beforehand, McCain's campaign hopes curb any uptick in polling that Obama might get from his convention and to create momentum heading into the gathering of GOP delegates for McCain next week in St. Paul, Minn.

Pawlenty, in Denver to criticize Democrats on McCain's behalf, canceled without explanation an afternoon roundtable interview with the AP as well as other media interviews. Questioned about the vice presidential selection earlier, Pawlenty would only say that he is to be in Minnesota on Friday for the state fair. He had cautioned during a series of morning TV interviews that while speculation might be fun, "most of it turns out to be inaccurate."

Romney, who had played the GOP attack-dog role earlier in the week at the Democratic convention and has been meeting with donors in California, left his beachfront San Diego home Thursday morning with an overnight bag. His son, Matt, said Romney was headed to an unspecified location in the state. Asked about being vice president, the elder Romney said: "I don't have anything for you right now."

Ridge was at his suburban Washington, D.C., home. Asked by an AP photographer as he took out the trash if he had any travel plans for the day, Ridge smiled and said he didn't.

One Lieberman aide said there has been no indication he is the choice. For instance, no staff have been called to join him at his vacation site.

For months, McCain's vice presidential search process has been kept closely held by a small group of his advisers. But details have been trickling out this week.

This includes word from two Republicans that McCain met with his senior advisers in Arizona on Wednesday to discuss the pick, conflicting information about whether or not he had settled on a choice, and the campaign's announcement it would air a TV ad in battleground states around when Obama will be giving his prime-time acceptance speech. A spokeswoman said McCain would be shown speaking directly to the camera with a message aimed at Obama but would not disclose the content.

Inside GOP circles Thursday, though, speculation swirled around Lieberman. It was fueled by reports that McCain's advisers had asked for additional detailed information from Lieberman, by McCain's close friendship with the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee, and by word that Republican operatives had been told to prepare for the possibility of an "unconventional" choice.

GOP strategist Karl Rove late last week encouraged Lieberman to withdraw his name from vice presidential consideration, but Lieberman rejected the suggestion, according to a person familiar with the phone call, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about it. Rove, through a spokeswoman, denied he made the call.

____

Associated Press writers Glen Johnson in Boston, Mike Glover in Phoenix, and Andrew Miga and photographer Scott Applewhite in Washington contributed to this story.


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Posted by: MonsterMark

I hope I'm not about to throw up in my mouth.



Posted by: LincolnLSE

So to sum up the article, nobody has any clue who the VP nominee will be... lol



Posted by: MonsterMark

My money is on Pawlenty but I really wanted Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Michael Steele.



Posted by: ford nut

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
My money is on Pawlenty but I really wanted Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Michael Steele.
I hope its not Pawlenty for selfish reasons



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
My money is on Pawlenty but I really wanted Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Michael Steele.
Well if it has to be a minority or a woman, and the heck with pro-life, why not Colin Powell?

Sheesh Bryan.



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
My money is on Pawlenty but I really wanted Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Michael Steele.
I understand that your selection is based on trying to either pull women and/or minorities from the Obama pool onto McCain, but don't you fear that either of those choices would offend the Repub/Conserv 'I hate minorities and women need to know their place' base?



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
I understand that your selection is based on trying to either pull women and/or minorities from the Obama pool onto McCain, but don't you fear that either of those choices would offend the Repub/Conserv 'I hate minorities and women need to know their place' base?
Your attempts to race/gender bait have not gone unnoticed.

I'd be perfectly satisfied with Michael Steele, J.C. Watts, or Sarah Palin as VP pick, and so would many conservatives that I've spoken to. Of course, if either of the two black men were chosen, they'd be called Uncle Tom by the left.

So you can take your baiting tactics and shove them up your you know what.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
the Repub/Conserv 'I hate minorities and women need to know their place' base?
Wow! What base is that? These must be people I have never met at any Repub get together. They must be very stealthy.



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten View Post
Your attempts to race/gender bait have not gone unnoticed.

I'd be perfectly satisfied with Michael Steele, J.C. Watts, or Sarah Palin as VP pick, and so would many conservatives that I've spoken to. Of course, if either of the two black men were chosen, they'd be called Uncle Tom by the left.

So you can take your baiting tactics and shove them up your you know what.
Maybe because it was an obvious joke/jab, Master Sleuth. I even added a little emote to stress that fact.



Posted by: fossten

Could it be? Please?





Posted by: Bob Hubbard

What a stupid, stupid choice he has made.
For months now we have been hearing who the hell is Barack Obama?
No one really knows who he is.
Now Mc Cain has chosen someone nobody has ever heard of..
Who the hell is she?
Stupid, stupid move.
He had many well know people to choose from, and I feel he just threw the election into the black dude's hands.
With Mc Cain having age as an issue, picking someone younger is a good idea, but what experience,especially in foreign affairs ,does this woman have?
She may have to step into the top job one day.
When the dems chose Obama, I decided I would change party affilation, and vote the republican ticket, but now, I don't belive I will be voting at all.
I'M sure I am not alone in this thinking.
Bob.



Posted by: LincolnLSE

Alaska Gov. Palin to be Named as McCain Running Mate
by FOXNews.com
Friday, August 29, 2008

DAYTON, Ohio — John McCain will introduce Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his vice presidential running mate at an event here at noon Friday, senior campaign sources confirmed to FOX News.

Palin emerged earlier in the day as the hot name in the VP sweepstakes after reports circulated that two short-listers — Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty — were out of the running.

Adding fuel to the Palin candidacy was a report that a charter aircraft from Anchorage owned by a McCain supporter had arrived at a small airport outside Dayton, Ohio, where McCain has scheduled a noon ET rally to announce his choice.

FOX News reported the jet flew to Flagstaff, Ariz., on Thursday before heading landing in Middletown, Ohio.

Palin is considered a rising star in the Republican Party. She is the state’s first female governor, the mother of five — and at 44 is its youngest chief executive.

FOX News confirmed Thursday that McCain had made his selection and would appear with his pick at the Dayton rally.

Born in Idaho, Palin moved to Alaska with her parents, to Charles and Sally Heath, when she was 3 months old.

She grew up in Wasilla, just outside of Anchorage, and played on the Wasilla state championship girls’ basketball team. She was crowned Miss Wasilla in 1984 and was a runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant.

Palin studied journalism and political science at the University of Idaho and graduated in 1987. She eloped with her high school boyfriend, Todd Palin, in 1988 to save money on an expensive wedding. She helped out in her husband’s family commercial fishing business and appeared occasionally as a television sportscaster.

Palin won a seat on the Wasilla City Council in 1992 as a new face and a new voice, and by opposing tax increases. Four years later she was elected mayor at 32 by knocking off a three-term incumbent. At the end of her second term, party leaders encouraged her to enter the 2002 race for the Republican nomination for lieutenant governor. Against veteran legislators with far more experience, Palin finished second by fewer than 2,000 votes, making a name for herself in statewide politics. She was elected Alaska’s youngest and first woman governor in 2006.

Sarah and Todd Palin have five children: boys Track, 19, and Trig, 4 months, and daughters Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 7. Track Palin joined the Army last September and will deploy to Iraq on Sept. 11. Palin gave birth to Trig, who has Down syndrome, in April and returned to work three days later.

Palin will be the second female vice presidential candidate from a major political party. The first was New York Rep. Geraldine Ferrarro, who was Walter Mondale’s Democratic running mate in 1984.

Earlier in the day, sources told FOX News that Romney was not going to be McCain’s choice, even
though the former Massachusetts governor is scheduled to appear at the
Dayton rally.

And Pawlenty told a Minneapolis radio station that he was not going to be in Dayton for the McCain announcement.

“I’m going to be at the [Minnesota] state fair,” Pawlenty said on WCCO.

“I will not be in Dayton, Ohio, so I think that’s a fair
assumption,” the Minnesota governor said when asked if this was an
indication that he would not be McCain’s running mate.

“It was an honor to be considered,” he added.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who like Romney was a rival to
McCain in the primaries, sent an e-mail to supporters on Thursday
evening saying he would not be at the rally. Sources later told FOX
News that Huckabee was not in the running.



Posted by: fossten

McCain just got my vote.



Posted by: fossten

Bob, lots of people have heard of her. Maybe the elite smart-set in Kalifornia don't know much about her, but in the heartland she's well known. She's one of the most popular governors in the nation, and her energy/drilling policies mean McCain will most likely flip on ANWR. She's pro life, pro gun (NRA member),anti corruption, and anti pork.

As far as experience, she has more executive experience than Obama does. And as far as foreign experience, HELLO...her state borders two foreign countries.

Conservs have been hoping she'd be the pick, and I'm one of them. I think you sorely underestimate this pick.



Posted by: LincolnLSE

All in all, I think a good choice. Palin will help McCain swing many of the "undecided" Hillary supporters. She is about as far removed from Washington D.C. as you can get, in contrast to Obama and Biden. However, I am surprised that Romney was passed over with the economy as the #1 issue for Americans this year.





Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten View Post
McCain just got my vote.
HOLY !!!



Posted by: fossten

I see your point Lincoln, but economy is a wash, b/c Palin brings drilling in ANWR and good energy policy, equals lower gas prices, equals better economy.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Sure the fact that she is a conservative is the only reason....



Posted by: LincolnLSE

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten View Post
I see your point Lincoln, but economy is a wash, b/c Palin brings drilling in ANWR and good energy policy, equals lower gas prices, equals better economy.
I did not yet consider the ANWR angle, but that is an excellent point. Lower fuel prices and energy independence will appeal broadly. This will become VERY interesting. I am looking forward to any debates between Palin and Biden. As I've read, Biden is a formidable debate opponent. He won't be able to beat up on Palin as much as he could have Romney, Pawlenty, etc. due to the female angle and the public's perception.

Somebody get me some popcorn...



Posted by: LincolnLSE

Did somebody say MILF?



Posted by: TheDude

Biden is going to tear her a new one come the debates.

IF she was chosen to pull female ex-Hillarites into the McCain camp, her anti-choice stance on abortion is going to be a hard pill to swallow.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
Biden is going to tear her a new one come the debates.
Good luck with that. Likely he'll be not only overconfident, but condescending. Won't look good. And I've heard she's quite good in debates, by the way.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Wonder how much they are gonna rip on her for having a child with Down's syndrome.

Of course the criticism will be of her being a terrible mom because she is so busy. Just watch.


Obamamama, say goodbye to half your feminist Hillary supporters.



Posted by: ford nut

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten View Post
Bob, lots of people have heard of her. Maybe the elite smart-set in Kalifornia don't know much about her, but in the heartland she's well known. She's one of the most popular governors in the nation, and her energy/drilling policies mean McCain will most likely flip on ANWR. She's pro life, pro gun (NRA member),anti corruption, and anti pork.

As far as experience, she has more executive experience than Obama does. And as far as foreign experience, HELLO...her state borders two foreign countries.

Conservs have been hoping she'd be the pick, and I'm one of them. I think you sorely underestimate this pick.
Does this mean you are going to the polls ?
Or are you still planning to stay home.



Posted by: TheDude

I don't think he's that stupid to try either of those tactics on her, considering the Hillary supporters.



Posted by: LincolnLSE

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
Wonder how much they are gonna rip on her for having a child with Down's syndrome.

Of course the criticism will be of her being a terrible mom because she is so busy. Just watch.
The fact that she is staunchly pro-life, with 5 children, and one with Down's Syndrome is almost the perfect scenario for McCain in courting the religious right and the party base. Nobody from Obama's camp will raise an issue over the Down's Syndrome - that would be suicide.



Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
Biden is going to tear her a new one come the debates.
Fossten made a good point on this. Also, how relevant are the VP debates? do most people pay attention to them? In the main debates, McCain is gonna OWN Obama, judging by the whole saddleback thing...

Quote:
IF she was chosen to pull female ex-Hillarites into the McCain camp, her anti-choice stance on abortion is going to be a hard pill to swallow.
Very good point... but anger at the DNC and Obama may outweigh that...



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten View Post
McCain just got my vote.
It's because she's she's seriously good-looking.



Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:
Originally Posted by LincolnLSE View Post
Did somebody say MILF?




Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:
Originally Posted by ford nut View Post
Does this mean you are going to the polls ?
Or are you still planning to stay home.
Fossten admitted that McCain now has his vote in the 2nd post of this thread.

Gotta admit, I am a little shocked...



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by LincolnLSE View Post
The fact that she is staunchly pro-life, with 5 children, and one with Down's Syndrome is almost the perfect scenario for McCain in courting the religious right and the party base. Nobody from Obama's camp will raise an issue over the Down's Syndrome - that would be suicide.

That's what is confusing to me, McCain basically had those groups in the bag already, as they certainly wouldn't vote Lib/Dem and I doubt there would have been masses of people just not voting. So why cater to them more?

Bryan had hoped for a female candidate to pull ex-Hillarites into the McCain side, an anti-choice(pro-life) candidate isn't going to be appealing to the vast majority of them.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
It's because she's she's seriously good-looking.
Are you asking me or telling me? Seriously, Deville, you are trying to bait me and it's getting old. Can you have a serious conversation, like ever?

I would take any conservative governor, ANY.

Got it?



Posted by: fossten

Believe me, if he had picked Liebs, I'd be staying home.



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by shagdrum View Post
Fossten made a good point on this. Also, how relevant are the VP debates? do most people pay attention to them? In the main debates, McCain is gonna OWN Obama, judging by the whole saddleback thing...



Very good point... but anger at the DNC and Obama may outweigh that...

Again, Biden isn't that stupid to try either of those approaches, considering the ex-Hillarites.

Ever try and tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body? Those are the women McCain is trying to pull. Palin better be as charming as she is good-looking, to have a chance.

-

Edit: Monster, good idea to merge both this and the Palin thread?



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by fossten View Post
Are you asking me or telling me? Seriously, Deville, you are trying to bait me and it's getting old. Can you have a serious conversation, like ever?

I would take any conservative governor, ANY.

Got it?
I'm teasing you, since I'm glad you're voting and not staying home. Loosen up a little.

And yes, I am also asking and bringing up valid points to fuel a "serious conversation".



Posted by: fossten

Okay, Deville, fair enough.

Yeah, I like the look of her. Certainly look forward to seeing her on TV rather than Cheney or Hairplugs.

But any conserv gov would have been fine with me.



Posted by: fossten

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
Again, Biden isn't that stupid to try either of those approaches, considering the ex-Hillarites.

Ever try and tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body? Those are the women McCain is trying to pull. Palin better be as charming as she is good-looking, to have a chance.

-

Edit: Monster, good idea to merge both this and the Palin thread?
I dunno, Deville, Biden's pretty stupid. You've heard his "Indian accent in the 7/11" comment? He's certainly stupid enough to plagiarize and get caught at it.

+1 on merging the threads.

Edit: Rush is all over Palin. I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
an anti-choice(pro-life) candidate isn't going to be appealing to the vast majority of them.
If you are a one-issue voter (ie: pro-choice), of course, this pick won't matter.

But what this pick will do is open women's eyes to the issue of abortion.


If you think her pro-life stance is going to shoo away the majority of women, I think you are mistaken. She gains more than she loses, imho.



Posted by: 04SCTLS

Well this certainly adds some excitement to the McCain campaign and the timing of the announcement steals Obama's post speech glow in the MSM who will be all about Palin tonight.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
It's because she's she's seriously good-looking.
Bet you Bill Clinton is kicking himself in the ass for picking Al Gore. I'm sure Bill would have been calling for meetings with the VP every hour on the hour.



Posted by: TheDude

Another angle (that will be brought up) not working for her, the "what if" McCain has a heart attack or another incapacitating illness. She has less overall experience than even Obama.

(I wiki'd)
Mayor of a town with a pop of 5k. (10 years)
Gov for two years.

I don't know, gut instinct tell me this will backfire on the GOP.



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
If you are a one-issue voter (ie: pro-choice), of course, this pick won't matter.

But what this pick will do is open women's eyes to the issue of abortion.

Here is a woman that has everything it seems. Hard working husband, family, career, etc. Why would she decide to keep this last child when Obama has made it so easy to destroy it, even if it survives the initial murder attempt. I'm sure Obama would have been happy to put a pillow over the infants face soon after birth.

If you think her pro-life stance is going to shoo away the majority of women, I think you are mistaken. She gains more than she loses, imho.

While true, telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies is an issue women take VERY seriously, also considering they have their yes set on the Hillary crowd. Going to be a hard sell.

Not the majority of women in all of America, the majority of woman McCain is hoping to pull from Obama. See?



Posted by: TheDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
Bet you Bill Clinton is kicking himself in the ass for picking Al Gore. I'm sure Bill would have been calling for meetings with the VP every hour on the hour.
Hillary wouldn't have allowed a female VP, much to Bill's displeasure.



Posted by: shagdrum

I will admit it is somewhat anecdotal, and based in Kansas (so my basis for this judgement is limited), but a lot of female Hillary supporters I personally know will now be voting for McCain due to this move, and they are pro-choice.

I would agree with Bryan that her positives will far outweigh her negatives as far as Hillary supporters are concerned. But ultimately only time will tell.

When it comes to the angle that the mainstream media and the Dem's will attack her and try to drive a wedge between Palin and Hillary supporters, I think you nailed it on the head, Deville...



Posted by: ford nut

Quote:
Originally Posted by shagdrum View Post
I will admit it is somewhat anecdotal, and based in Kansas (so my basis for this judgement is limited), but a lot of female Hillary supporters I personally know will now be voting for McCain due to this move, and they are pro-choice.
Same here the one I know will flip just because shes a woman.
If she can pull out the conservative base to support McCain and drag some of the female vote over then its a great pick..... time will tell.



Posted by: NYC LS8





Posted by: MonsterMark

Palin's nickname in high school basketball was "barracuda". LOL

What is so sweet is that Pelosi now has to take orders from another woman. LMAO!



Posted by: Marcus

About these so-called Hillary supporters... Doesn't anyone remember Rush's "Operation Chaos"? I have the feeling many of these people who claim to be jumping ship to McCain never would have voted for her in the general anyway. The vast majority of them I've heard interviewed or read comments from sound more like Bryan than they do Democrats or even independents. It's never about the issues, let alone abortion rights or health care, it's all about hating Obama for one reason or another.



Posted by: ford nut

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About these so-called Hillary supporters... Doesn't anyone remember Rush's "Operation Chaos"? I have the feeling many of these people who claim to be jumping ship to McCain never would have voted for her in the general anyway. The vast majority of them I've heard interviewed or read comments from sound more like Bryan than they do Democrats or even independents. It's never about the issues, let alone abortion rights or health care, it's all about hating Obama for one reason or another.
Well the one I am talking about sleeps in the same bed with me.
I am sure she is going to do what she says
And I dont think she is "the only one "
I would think there are more.
It has nothing to do with Obama.



Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
Another angle (that will be brought up) not working for her, the "what if" McCain has a heart attack or another incapacitating illness. She has less overall experience than even Obama.

(I wiki'd)
Mayor of a town with a pop of 5k. (10 years)
Gov for two years.

I don't know, gut instinct tell me this will backfire on the GOP.
Less experience then Obama? That is questionable at best. Look at the type of experience. She has much more leadership experinence then Obama, Biden and (in many ways) McCain. She has served in executive positions. None of those three have. Her inclusion on the GOP ticket makes it the strongest one for effective, decisive executive leadership. There is a reason Senator's are hardly ever elected president.



Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
About these so-called Hillary supporters... Doesn't anyone remember Rush's "Operation Chaos"? I have the feeling many of these people who claim to be jumping ship to McCain never would have voted for her in the general anyway. The vast majority of them I've heard interviewed or read comments from sound more like Bryan than they do Democrats or even independents. It's never about the issues, let alone abortion rights or health care, it's all about hating Obama for one reason or another.
Not so sure it is about hating Obama, but this election is a referendum on Obama more then anything else...



Posted by: Bob Hubbard

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Originally Posted by fossten View Post
Bob, lots of people have heard of her. Maybe the elite smart-set in Kalifornia don't know much about her, but in the heartland she's well known. She's one of the most popular governors in the nation, and her energy/drilling policies mean McCain will most likely flip on ANWR. She's pro life, pro gun (NRA member),anti corruption, and anti pork.

As far as experience, she has more executive experience than Obama does. And as far as foreign experience, HELLO...her state borders two foreign countries.

Conservs have been hoping she'd be the pick, and I'm one of them. I think you sorely underestimate this pick.
Bodering two countries does not make her an expert in foreign relations.
If Anwar was the goal. then why not make her energy secretary, not vice president?
She has no experience other than governing a state that has fewer people living it than what live in Los Angeles county alone.
The seriousness of this must be considered, and not playing games trying to out snart the opposing team.
The dems pick a black, and refuse a woman vice president so, in an effort to get "some of the hillary votes", Mc cain picks a woman.
That is the reason plain and simple why she is going to be on the ticket.
With the crisis going on around the world, and in this country, we need well qualified leaders, and God forbid something happens to Mc Cain, this is the best we can hope for in a qualified person to take over?
Once again, this choicer was pure politics in an effort to get votes.
Shouldn'.t decisions like this be made on what is best for the country?
Obviously, this one isn't
Bob.



Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by shagdrum View Post
Less experience then Obama? That is questionable at best. Look at the type of experience. She has much more leadership experinence then Obama, Biden and (in many ways) McCain. She has served in executive positions. None of those three have. Her inclusion on the GOP ticket makes it the strongest one for effective, decisive executive leadership. There is a reason Senator's are hardly ever elected president.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the choice of a VP supposed to be someone who wuld compliment the presidential nominee in areas he(or she) is lacking, thereby making the best situation possible for America as a whole. What exactly does she bring that McCain doesn't already have himself?

Granted, she was Mayor for 10 years, but of a town of 5k people. Completely different sport than being #2 of the worlds (for the time being) most powerful nation.



Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
Another angle (that will be brought up) not working for her, the "what if" McCain has a heart attack or another incapacitating illness. She has less overall experience than even Obama.

(I wiki'd)
Mayor of a town with a pop of 5k. (10 years)
Gov for two years.

I don't know, gut instinct tell me this will backfire on the GOP.
As already stated, what qualification does Obama have?
Lawyer. Professor. Community activist. Marxist. 1 term junior senator, a seat that he won in what was basically an uncontested race (vs. Alan Keynes).

Has Obama EVER made a decision that he had to stand behind? A decision where he didn't argue both sides? NO. Hell, has he or his wife even held regular jobs?

Of course not. Palin has worked regular jobs, her husband seems like a real mans-man. Hunting, fishing, racing snow mobiles. This is such a refreshing contrast from the parade of Yaleys and Harvard educated dofuses that have been parading through the executive branch in recent years.

Additionally, she has a strong history as an aggressive reformer and fiscal conservative. In the meantime, Obama is desperately trying to bury any and all scandals regarding his association with domestic terrorists and his Chicago corruption. (be it Rezko or the sweet heart salary his wife "earned")

Palin appears to be the American story. She wanted to improve her community and got involved in the PTA, then because of her ability and skill quickly was elevated to Mayor, and then governor. She's EXACTLY what people always say they want in office- a good person, with good judgment, who's honest with integrity. Not some career politician. Not some beltway insider.

I was cool on the idea of Palin as a VP until I read her biography and some of the articles written about her last year. I'm enthused by the prospects that we might have a young, AMERICAN Maggie Thatcher in our generation.



Additionally, you can tell that Obama's people are wetting themselves right now. Rather than taking the high, dignified, and classy road, they've already rolled out the attack machine. McCain would have suspended his ads today and instead run a short commercial congratulating his opponents VP choice and the historic nature of the selection.

Not Obama. McCain completely sucked the oxygen out of the Barrackolips display last night. No one is even talking about his marxist rally last night. So within about an hour, the Obama people were releasing press releases attacking Palin, and getting the talking heads out to trash her.

Also, don't believe the hype, Biden IS NOT a great debater. He's an egotistic blow hard. If he's not talking about HIMSELF, or offending someone, he's stealing someone else's prose. He's aggressive, but it's easy to look like a foreign policy guru when you're sharing the stage with Hillary, Obama, and Mike Gravel.



Posted by: Calabrio

The Most Popular Governor
Alaska's Sarah Palin is the GOP's newest star.
by Fred Barnes
07/16/2007, Volume 012, Issue 41


Juneau
The wipeout in the 2006 election left Republicans in such a state of dejection that they've overlooked the one shining victory in which a Republican star was born. The triumph came in Alaska where Sarah Palin, a politician of eye-popping integrity, was elected governor. She is now the most popular governor in America, with an approval rating in the 90s, and probably the most popular public official in any state.

Her rise is a great (and rare) story of how adherence to principle--especially to transparency and accountability in government--can produce political success. And by the way, Palin is a conservative who only last month vetoed 13 percent of the state's proposed budget for capital projects. The cuts, the Anchorage Daily News said, "may be the biggest single-year line-item veto total in state history."

As recently as last year, Palin (pronounced pale-in) was a political outcast. She resigned in January 2004 as head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission after complaining to the office of Governor Frank Murkowski and to state Attorney General Gregg Renkes about ethical violations by another commissioner, Randy Ruedrich, who was also Republican state chairman.

State law barred Palin from speaking out publicly about ethical violations and corruption. But she was vindicated later in 2004 when Ruedrich, who'd been reconfirmed as state chairman, agreed to pay a $12,000 fine for breaking state ethics laws. She became a hero in the eyes of the public and the press, and the bane of Republican leaders.

In 2005, she continued to take on the Republican establishment by joining Eric Croft, a Democrat, in lodging an ethics complaint against Renkes, who was not only attorney general but also a long-time adviser and campaign manager for Murkowski. The governor reprimanded Renkes and said the case was closed. It wasn't. Renkes resigned a few weeks later, and Palin was again hailed as a hero.

Palin, 43, the mother of four, passed up a chance to challenge Republican senator Lisa Murkowski, the then-governor's daughter, in 2004. She endorsed another candidate in the primary, but Murkowski won and was reelected. Palin said then that her 14-year-old son talked her out of running, though it's doubtful that was the sole reason.

In 2006, she didn't hesitate. She ran against Gov. Murkowski, who was seeking a second term despite sagging poll ratings, in the Republican primary. In a three-way race, Palin captured 51 percent and won in a landslide. She defeated former Democratic governor Tony Knowles in the general election, 49 percent to 41 percent. She was one of the few Republicans anywhere in the country to perform above expectations in 2006, an overwhelmingly Democratic year. Palin is unabashedly pro life.

With her emphasis on ethics and openness in government, "it turned out Palin caught the temper of the times perfectly," wrote Tom Kizzia of the Anchorage Daily News. She was also lucky. News broke of an FBI investigation of corruption by legislators between the primary and general elections. So far, three legislators have been indicted.

In the roughly three years since she quit as the state's chief regulator of the oil industry, Palin has crushed the Republican hierarchy (virtually all male) and nearly every other foe or critic. Political analysts in Alaska refer to the "body count" of Palin's rivals. "The landscape is littered with the bodies of those who crossed Sarah," says pollster Dave Dittman, who worked for her gubernatorial campaign. It includes Ruedrich, Renkes, Murkowski, gubernatorial contenders John Binkley and Andrew Halcro, the three big oil companies in Alaska, and a section of the Daily News called "Voice of the Times," which was highly critical of Palin and is now defunct.

One of her first acts as governor was to fire the Alaska Board of Agriculture. Her ultimate target was the state Creamery Board, which has been marketing the products of Alaska dairy farmers for 71 years and wanted to close down after receiving $600,000 from the state. "You don't just close your doors and walk away," Palin told me. She discovered she lacked the power to fire the Creamery Board. Only the board of agriculture had that authority. So Palin replaced the agriculture board, which appointed a new creamery board, which has rescinded the plan to shut down.

In preserving support for dairy farmers, Palin exhibited a kind of Alaskan chauvinism. She came to the state as an infant, making her practically a native. And she is eager to keep Alaska free from domination by oil companies or from reliance on cruise lines whose ships bring thousands of tourists to the state.

"She's as Alaskan as you can get," says Dan an, an Anchorage radio talk show host. "She's a hockey mom, she lives on a lake, she ice fishes, she snowmobiles, she hunts, she's an NRA member, she has a float plane, and her husband works for BP on the North Slope," an says. Todd Palin, her high school sweetheart, is a three-time winner of the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snowmobile race from Wasilla to Nome to Fairbanks. It's the world's longest snowmobile race.

Gov. Palin grew up in Wasilla, where as star of her high school basketball team she got the nickname "Sarah Barracuda" for her fierce competitiveness. She led her underdog team to the state basketball championship. Palin also won the Miss Wasilla beauty contest, in which she was named Miss Congeniality, and went on to compete in the Miss Alaska pageant.

At 32, she was elected mayor of Wasilla, a burgeoning bedroom community outside Anchorage. Though Alaskans tend to be ferociously anti-tax, she persuaded Wasilla voters to increase the local sales tax to pay for an indoor arena and convention center. The tax referendum won by 20 votes.

In 2002, Palin entered statewide politics, running for lieutenant governor. She finished a strong second in the Republican primary. That fall, she dutifully campaigned for Murkowski, who'd given up his Senate seat to run for governor. Afterwards, she turned down several job offers from Murkowski, finally accepting the oil and gas post. When she quit 11 months later, "that was her defining moment" in politics, says an.

Her campaign for governor was bumpy. She missed enough campaign appearances to be tagged "No Show Sarah" by her opponents. She was criticized for being vague on issues. But she sold voters on the one product that mattered: herself.

Her Christian faith--Palin grew up attending nondenominational Bible churches--was a minor issue in the race. She told me her faith affects her politics this way: "I believe everything happens for a purpose. In my own personal life, if I dedicated back to my Creator what I'm trying to create for the good . . . everything will turn out fine." That same concept applies to her political career, she suggested.

The biggest issue in the campaign was the proposed natural gas pipeline from the North Slope that's crucial to the state's economy. Murkowski had made a deal with the three big oil companies--Exxon, BP, ConocoPhillips--which own the gas reserves to build the pipeline. But the legislature turned it down and Palin promised to create competition for the pipeline contract.

She made three other promises: to end corruption in state government, cut spending, and provide accountability. She's now redeeming those promises.

Palin describes herself as "pro-business and pro-development." She doesn't want the oil companies to sit on their energy reserves or environmental groups to block development of the state's resources. "I get frustrated with folks from outside Alaska who come up and say you shouldn't develop your resources," she says. Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on "federal dollars," as the state does today.

Her first major achievement as governor was lopsided passage by the legislature of the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act, which is designed to attract pipeline proposals this summer. The state is offering $500 million in incentives, but the developer must meet strict requirements. The oil companies have said they won't join the competition.

Palin's tough spending cuts drew criticism from Republican legislators whose pet projects were vetoed. But her popularity doesn't appear threatened. "It's not just that she's pretty and young," says Dittman. "She's really smart. And there's no guile. She says her favorite meal is moose stew or mooseburgers. It wouldn't shock people if that were true."

Fred Barnes is executive editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD.



(EDIT) That "censor" feature really needs to be reconsidered. /fay-gan/ shouldn't be censored.



Posted by: TheDude

You're right about Obama lacking experience. Point was, the GOP was and is attacking him on that angle, which is a much smarter choice than all those "Barackopolis" and the like nonsense. But now they went and nominated someone lacking experience themselves, seems like a foot-in-the-mouth manuever, since the "honest all American girl" image will only get you so far.

She also blundered in her speech this morning, she made a "I'm an anti good-old-boy network politician" remark; the crowd did not respond well to that.



Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the choice of a VP supposed to be someone who would compliment the presidential nominee in areas he(or she) is lacking, thereby making the best situation possible for America as a whole. What exactly does she bring that McCain doesn't already have himself?
Executive experience...

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Granted, she was Mayor for 10 years, but of a town of 5k people. Completely different sport than being #2 of the worlds (for the time being) most powerful nation.
some executive experience is better then none. Obama, Biden and McCain have no executive experience.

You can try to down play it all you want, but the fact remains that she has more executive leadership experience then any of the other 3 candidates for president or VP.



Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
You're right about Obama lacking experience. Point was, the GOP was and is attacking him on that angle, which is a much smarter choice than all those "Barackopolis" and the like nonsense. But now they went and nominated someone lacking experience themselves, seems like a foot-in-the-mouth manuever, since the "honest all American girl" image will only get you so far.
No, it isn't a "foot-in-mouth" thing. She still has more executive experience then the other three combined.

And the experience attack on Obama is justified when compared to McCain because they are running for president. Palin is nominated for VP. Her best comparison is to Biden, who she has more executive experience then.

Trying to draw comparisons between her political inexperience and Obama's is not really that relevant, and kinda distracts from the issue.



Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
While true, telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies is an issue women take VERY seriously, also considering they have their yes set on the Hillary crowd. Going to be a hard sell.

Not the majority of women in all of America, the majority of woman McCain is hoping to pull from Obama. See?
You're missing one other important factor. McCain has needed to draw conservatives back into the fold. Conservatives who are disillusioned at his rather watered down conservative record. In choosing Palin, he has secured and solidified his conservative base. Those who swore they would stay home on 11/04 will now show up in waves to vote him into office.

I'm living proof of this.



Posted by: TheDude

You can throw "executive experience" around all you like, but not all executive exp. is created equal. Mayor of a town of 5k and the Gov of Alaska, which as Bob noted above, has a pop. of less than LA county. IMO, this is going to blow up in the GOP face.



Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by fossten View Post
You're missing one other important factor. McCain has needed to draw conservatives back into the fold. Conservatives who are disillusioned at his rather watered down conservative record. In choosing Palin, he has secured and solidified his conservative base. Those who swore they would stay home on 11/04 will now show up in waves to vote him into office.

I'm living proof of this.
Honestly, just how many of these born-again-voters do you think there are, enough to change the tide?



Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by fossten View Post
I'm living proof of this.
Welcome back!

The libs will beat up the woman, we all expect that. They eat their young. Sad but true.

However,

If she wins over the undecideds like I think she will, Obama is in deep doo-doo.

The emperor has no clothes claiming the Repub VP has no clothes.

Which would you rather see naked?



Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
enough to change the tide?
What tide is that? The media manufactured tide? The tide that always shows an 8 point variance to the actual results tide.

The only tide I see is a 52%- 46% tide for McCain in Nov.



Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
You can throw "executive experience" around all you like, but not all executive exp. is created equal. Mayor of a town of 5k and the Gov of Alaska, which as Bob noted above, has a pop. of less than LA county. IMO, this is going to blow up in the GOP face.
Any executive experience is more valuable then none.

You aren't going to make any headway by trying to downplay her experience, when no matter what you say, the other candidates still have less experience. You can't deny that fact and to ignore it is disengenuous.

That is why you don't elect senator's to the presidency!



Posted by: Kbob

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
You can throw "executive experience" around all you like, but not all executive exp. is created equal. Mayor of a town of 5k and the Gov of Alaska, which as Bob noted above, has a pop. of less than LA county. IMO, this is going to blow up in the GOP face.
Arkansas also has a population less than LA county. Worked out okay for Bill Clinton.



Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
What tide is that? The media manufactured tide? The tide that always shows an 8 point variance to the actual results tide.

The only tide I see is a 52%- 46% tide for McCain in Nov.
Exactly. Face facts people - if the media hadn't propped up Obama, he would a) Be down 20 points already, or b) Have lost the nomination to Hillary by 20 points.

Corn stalks can't survive without wind, because the wind strengthens them as they grow. Obama has been carefully protected, and now he's vulnerable and unprepared.

Even so, this election will be close, as will all future elections where the media adds 10-20 points for the Dem nominee.

And you all know I'm right about that.

Oh, more eye candy for ya:





Posted by: MonsterMark

The lower third of that magazine cover looks quite incredible.



Posted by: Machspeed

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
Another angle (that will be brought up) not working for her, the "what if" McCain has a heart attack or another incapacitating illness. She has less overall experience than even Obama.

(I wiki'd)
Mayor of a town with a pop of 5k. (10 years)
Gov for two years.

I don't know, gut instinct tell me this will backfire on the GOP.
Actually, McCain's VP pick of Palin was a very smart move. As for Obama being more experienced, surely you jest?



Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by Machspeed View Post
As for Obama being more experienced, surely you jest?
Yes, he's always jesting. He's the unofficial LVC Court Jester.





Posted by: Calabrio

Huckabee got it right tonight on TV- the governor of ANY state has more experience relevant to being the President than any senator, regardless how long they've served.

What difficult decision has Obama EVER had to make regarding policy or diplomacy that he had to stand behind? NONE. He's a legislator. He's a lawyer. He's a blow hard.

Biden is no better. He's been in the Congress since he was 29 years old! He's done NOTHING else.



Posted by: Calabrio

Glen Beck has a great take on this- read the end of the article.

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Glenn Beck: McCain picks Palin!
August 29, 2008 - 13:16 ET


GLENN: From Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, third most listened to show in all of America. I may have found my pick for President. I want to explain this over the next few days. But it may be now John McCain because of Sarah Palin's experience on taking her own party on but not the way John McCain does. And if John McCain thinks he could pick somebody like her and she will be neutralized and she would be and she would step to the plate and say, "Oh, well, now I've got my ticket, I could be, you know, the first female President or whatever." Her experience shows Sarah Palin don't play that way. This is a vice presidential pick that if she was vice president and she disagreed, I mean, if she felt things were going awry and they were losing the heart and soul of the conservative party, she just might be the kind that would step up and say, you know what, I'm done, I'm out, he's going to have to find another vice president. We'll have to continue to look, but I'm going to give you some things that I know about Sarah Palin that I think will energize you.

We stumbled onto Sarah Palin months and months and months ago. It was right after the first of the year. I think it was it may have been April when I read about Sarah Palin, this unknown governor from Alaska, that she had just had a child with Down Syndrome. I want to play what I said on television the night we found out. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

GLENN: 2006 not exactly a great year with Republicans with the election thing but I want to focus on the positive here, Sarah Palin. She was elected as the new governor of Alaska. I didn't even know a Republican won in the election in 2006, but she did. Sarah Palin. Impeccable record, one of the names being thrown around for possible vice presidential candidate for John McCain, but I don't want to make this about politics because it's not. Governor Palin returned to work this week, just three days after giving birth to her fifth child called Trig. The name means both true and brave victory. A spokesperson for the governor confirmed that Trig was born with Down Syndrome. Now, about the birth. Palin said Trig is beautiful, already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives.

I read that story today and I thought, why have we not heard about this story. Here is an incredibly accomplished, smart, powerful woman who beyond all her talents has something, it seems like no politician possesses, perspective. She understands what a gift she's been given. It's been my experience with the parents of children with special needs that God usually gives those children really as a gift to truly amazing people. Listen to her language that she used. She feels privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow unspeakable joy.

I have a daughter of special needs and I can tell you that there is no one in my life that I have learned more from than my daughter. No one that has such a special spirit, no one that can inspire me the way that she does. I mean, it's tough sometimes. She knows it and I know it. But she is truly an incredible gift, and I am privileged to be entrusted with her. I believe the American people generally consent when we find somebody that stands out from the crowd, somebody who is able to shine even in such a dark realm as the world of politics. That's probably why Sarah Palin is one of the most popular governors in the country. Approval ratings in the mid 80s. Sure, I'm sure she's doing a great job, but it takes something more than that, doesn't it? Something by all accounts this woman has. Congratulations, governor Palin, a happy mom for the fifth time. From New York.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GLENN: Okay. I know I am a dad of a child with special needs, but just that story inspires me. But there is so much more to Governor Palin why do I say I might have found the person that can make me pull the lever for the Republican party? Because this woman seems to have real principles.

Let me just share some things with you. She first tried to run against the governor of Alaska, the former governor, Murkowski. She lost. Murkowski wanted to silence her. So he decides, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to appoint her onto the as the ethics commissioner onto the Alaska oil and gas conservation commission. I'm going to give her power. Now, this is a Republican governor appointing her and giving her the head over the ethics of the Alaska oil and gas conservation commission. He figured that, "She'll be quiet because I'll give her a little taste of power. I'll show her that I'm going to bring her into the party and I'm going to appoint her and she's going to sit right next to the head of the Alaska GOP."

So she's sitting right next to the chair of the Republican party and the governor, who's a Republican, appoints. What does she do? She resigns. She not only resigns, but she resigns in a very public protest over the ethics that she saw on that, not just the ethics of that council but specifically the ethics of the head of the Republican party. People loved her. It's what I've always said about Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton would be President today, I don't mean she would be the nominee, she would be President today. She would have been President in 2000 if, when her husband finally said, "All right, all right, I give," if she would have calmly walked out of the White House and held a press conference that night and said, "I think Bill Clinton is an amazing President. I agree with his policies and he will always be my President because I respect him for what he's done for this country. However, a woman isn't treated like that. Over and over and over again every marriage has its problems. We've had more than our fair share. But you know what? He's lied to me for the last time, and he lied to you. You make your own decision, but as a wife, I've made my decision. You don't treat a woman like that." She would have been elected in a landslide in 2000.

What people are looking for is somebody that's not intoxicated by power. Now, on a very small level we've seen this with Sarah Palin. Is she the kind of vice president that will stand up and say, "You know what, John, you're out of your mind, you're out of your mind. This violates every conservative principle I have in my body," and she is conservative. She is conservative.

Let me give you a couple of things first before I get into those credentials. They're going to say, "You've got to be kidding me. You're showing me a governor of Alaska?" "Yeah, that's what we're showing you, governor of Alaska." She has executive experience. No one else on the ticket, no one else on the ticket has any executive they've never run anything. They've all been senators or community activists. None of them have ever run anything. She has. She's the only one with executive experience.

Now, take it a step further. Let's look at the two let's look at the two camps. One has no executive experience, and the top of the ticket is the one with the least amount of any experience. The apprentice is leading the master. You look at the McCain ticket, you've got the apprentice in the appropriate position, to learn from the master, in this case hopefully teach the master a few things. She's also young. She's also a woman. You tell me that and quite honestly I think she's kind of hot. I've seen a couple of no, I'm just sayin'. I've seen a couple where she's I've seen a couple of pictures where she's looking pretty hot. I'm just saying she's a beautiful mom. That's all I'm saying. And Stu, do you have that confirmed that she is a beautiful mom?

STU: Yes, Glenn, she is hot. That is confirmed.

GLENN: Thank you very much. She knows how to run against all odds. This woman ran against not only the Democrat, she ran against the incumbent Republican, and she won. She won against the Republican in the primary and then she won against the Democrat. She has bipartisan appeal. She's a woman, but she's not a feminist. She's a strong woman, but she doesn't hate men. She is so pro life that when the doctors came to her and said, "Oh, boy, you've got a kid with Down Syndrome, what do you say, should we kill him?" She said, "Absolutely not." And she wouldn't allow them to perform any more tests. "We know he's going to have problems; we'll be able to deal with any of them."




Posted by: MonsterMark

A good read at...

http://www.colony14.net/id29.html

And don't forget to check out:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/d...splay.php?f=84


I may have to move my prediction from 52-46 to 53-45.



Posted by: MonsterMark

More....



Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
You can throw "executive experience" around all you like, but not all executive exp. is created equal. Mayor of a town of 5k and the Gov of Alaska, which as Bob noted above, has a pop. of less than LA county. IMO, this is going to blow up in the GOP face.
While I am unsure about this, I think you might be right.

I have to ask myself, is she able to run the country? Even as Governor, she's only been there 2 years. Before that she was a Mayor of 7,000 people. So experience is an issue.

I also have to wonder, is she the best McCain could find as a possible replacement should he die in office? There are clearly more qualified people around for that position, so where is McCain's judgement?

How would other countries react to a MILF as President of the US?

On the other hand, I do like some of the things she has done. For example, I like that she stopped the GOP's pork project bridge to nowhere. She also raised taxes on the oil companies and gave that money to the people of Alaska. ($1200 tax rebate check)

So, while she is a MILF, (and a good one at that), and has minimal experience, she does appear to have some positives to me.



Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo View Post
So experience is an issue.
And, uh, uh, uh, that's why I support Barack Obama. He's been a community organizer and a fraud all his life.

LMAO. PDS is already running rampant one day out.

Listen to yourself.

McCain has to die for this to be a problem for you. On the other hand, a racist muslim sympathiser with no real world experience (hell, the guy hasn't even won a contested election) should be batter up.

OK, if you say so.



Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo View Post
While I am unsure about this, I think you might be right.

I have to ask myself, is she able to run the country? Even as Governor, she's only been there 2 years. Before that she was a Mayor of 7,000 people. So experience is an issue.
She has more executive experience then any of the other three. You have to consider that fact when considering her experience, otherwise you are looking at her experience out of context...



Posted by: MonsterMark

More Palin

Yes, the 1st photo is a photoshop job but funny nonetheless.



Posted by: fossten

Joey, DeVille...

Here are the talking points, courtesy of Ed Morrissey of HotAir.com:

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Why would he put a small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?

This is a real laugher. By the same logic, why would the Democrats make a state legislator the actual president? The answer is that Obama is a US Senator of three years experience, and Palin is a governor of 20 months’ experience. Only Barack Obama has spent two of those three years not in the Senate doing his job but running for President. Before starting his bid, he had a grand total of less than 150 days in session in the Senate. Palin, on the other hand, has run her state for more than triple that time.
And let’s remember that Obama is running for the top job, while Palin’s running for VP.

McCain can’t talk about experience any more — he’s shot himself in the foot!

Unfortunately for the critics, this argument doesn’t hold water, either. All four principals are running for the highest executive position in the federal government — indeed, the position in charge of the entire executive branch. How much executive experience does Obama have? None; he’s worked in corporate law, community organizing, and has eleven years as a legislator at various levels. Biden? He’s been a lawyer for three years and a Senator for 35 years, and has no executive experience at any level of government.

McCain at least has executive experience as a squadron commander in the US Navy, but Palin has the actual executive track record that the others lack. She has governed Alaska for 20 months, negotiated a pipeline deal with Canada (which gives her more formal diplomatic experience than either Obama or Biden), was commander-in-chief of Alaska’s National Guard, and so on. Even her more local-level experience is more applicable than Obama’s: she served two terms as mayor, an executive position, cutting taxes and running a small city. Obama served in the state legislature, with no executive responsibilities at all.




Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
And, uh, uh, uh, that's why I support Barack Obama. He's been a community organizer and a fraud all his life.

LMAO. PDS is already running rampant one day out.

Listen to yourself.

McCain has to die for this to be a problem for you. On the other hand, a racist muslim sympathiser with no real world experience (hell, the guy hasn't even won a contested election) should be batter up.

OK, if you say so.

Actually, I am kinda liking her so far - but to be frank, you guys shoving her down my throat with BS terms like "PDS" might change that. You should look inward a bit bryan. You have "ODS". I men, you cant get off Obama, and really, 90% of your comments about him make you look a little loony because they really lack substance. I dont care where he was born or who his parents are or what his religon was. All that is BS to me. he is a candidate. Deal with him on THAT level. Try discussing issues instead of just hating.

I havent made up my mind either way yet and you already have me labeled. Fact is, I voted in the Republican Primary (proof available) - so you can quit with the labels.

On the other hand, there is a part of me that is hoping to see Obama win so Bryan has 4 years of material...



Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo View Post
Actually, I am kinda liking her so far - but to be frank, you guys shoving her down my throat with BS terms like "PDS" might change that. You should look inward a bit bryan. You have "ODS". I men, you cant get off Obama, and really, 90% of your comments about him make you look a little loony because they really lack substance. I dont care where he was born or who his parents are or what his religon was. All that is BS to me. he is a candidate. Deal with him on THAT level. Try discussing issues instead of just hating.

I havent made up my mind either way yet and you already have me labeled. Fact is, I voted in the Republican Primary (proof available) - so you can quit with the labels.

On the other hand, there is a part of me that is hoping to see Obama win so Bryan has 4 years of material...
Ehhh...I really hate to say this...

I mean, I really hate to say this...

[gulp]

But I agree with Joey here.

Obama is a disaster policy wise. He's an Obamanation. Defeat him on his Marxism.



Posted by: TheDude

Bryan, just for you.

Maher on Palin.



Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo View Post
While I am unsure about this, I think you might be right.

I have to ask myself, is she able to run the country? Even as Governor, she's only been there 2 years. Before that she was a Mayor of 7,000 people. So experience is an issue.

I also have to wonder, is she the best McCain could find as a possible replacement should he die in office? There are clearly more qualified people around for that position, so where is McCain's judgement?

How would other countries react to a MILF as President of the US?

On the other hand, I do like some of the things she has done. For example, I like that she stopped the GOP's pork project bridge to nowhere. She also raised taxes on the oil companies and gave that money to the people of Alaska. ($1200 tax rebate check)

So, while she is a MILF, (and a good one at that), and has minimal experience, she does appear to have some positives to me.
I've (also) been reading up on her; she does have more to offer than just a pretty face.

That's a valid point, out of everyone McCain could have chosen, why her; is she really the best for the country? Or is McCain simply making what he thinks is a smart move to "energize" his campaign and had some dazzle?

McCain has also said one major factor in choosing a VP would be someone who would be able to step in and lead should he be unable to, does he REALLY think Palin was the best choice out of the selection considering his previous statement?

I did enjoy her "I'm an anti good-ole-boy network" politician remark, that took a set of balls, crowd didn't like it though.



Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
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I did enjoy her "I'm an anti good-ole-boy network" politician remark, that took a set of balls, crowd didn't like it though.
See, and thats what I kinda like about her.



Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS View Post
Bryan, just for you.
Thank You. I watched it. Stuff like that reminds me how lucky I am to not have to waste as much of my life watching inane stuff like that.

Makes me feel good to be on the right side of the aisle to be honest.



Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo View Post
You have "ODS".
Joey, I don't hide the fact that I can't stand Obama. Here are a couple of the reasons.

#1: He is an empty suit. Without a TelePrompter, he is nothing. I said that along time ago here on this site.

#2: He is a product of the media. No other person with his qualifications would have ever made it through the 1st week.

#3: He hides who he is and was. And the media is complicit.

#4: I am convinced Obama is a 'fake' Christian.

#5: He is a Manchurian candidate and an egotistical prick.

#6: He has absolutely no relevant experience. NONE!

#7: He is an Arab/American, not an African/American, and he is ashamed to be "half-white".

#8: And he lies about his associations, the 'under the bus' syndrome.

There are tons more reasons but this will suffice. I could give at least 25 more. Why bother.



Posted by: MonsterMark

Obama, don't mess with this Mama.



Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark View Post
More Palin

Yes, the 1st photo is a photoshop job but funny nonetheless.
That one was a Katherine Harris photo:




Posted by: Calabrio

Great break down comparing Palin with Obama:

The Tale of the Tape:
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/reds...s-barack-obam/



Posted by: MonsterMark