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She's pro-choice. Uh-uh. Stop listening to Dick Morris. He's been wrong about most things this year.
Romney's probably the best choice. |
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Expand embryonic stem cell research. Hutchison signed a letter from 58 Senators to the President Dear Mr. President: We write to urge you to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research. |
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Putting her on the ticket would grab those disaffected Hillary supporters and give McCain the victory.
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She's pro-choice. Uh-uh. Stop listening to Dick Morris. He's been wrong about most things this year.
Romney's probably the best choice. |
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How probable is that? If likely, be a wise choice.
Picking a VP on a one issue platform isn't the wisest of stances, if that is your only failing with her? It's also VERY unlikely that a McCain/Romney ticket would be able to reverse Roe V. Wade if they won, again, if that's your only beef. |
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he's looking at the immediate issue of getting McCain into office.
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I'm curious where you think those conservative votes will go, since voting Dem would essentially be voting "pro choice"?
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My money is on Pawlenty but I really wanted Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Michael Steele.
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My money is on Pawlenty but I really wanted Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Michael Steele.
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My money is on Pawlenty but I really wanted Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Michael Steele.
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I understand that your selection is based on trying to either pull women and/or minorities from the Obama pool onto McCain, but don't you fear that either of those choices would offend the Repub/Conserv 'I hate minorities and women need to know their place' base?
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the Repub/Conserv 'I hate minorities and women need to know their place' base?
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Your attempts to race/gender bait have not gone unnoticed.
I'd be perfectly satisfied with Michael Steele, J.C. Watts, or Sarah Palin as VP pick, and so would many conservatives that I've spoken to. Of course, if either of the two black men were chosen, they'd be called Uncle Tom by the left. So you can take your baiting tactics and shove them up your you know what. |



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I see your point Lincoln, but economy is a wash, b/c Palin brings drilling in ANWR and good energy policy, equals lower gas prices, equals better economy.
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Bob, lots of people have heard of her. Maybe the elite smart-set in Kalifornia don't know much about her, but in the heartland she's well known. She's one of the most popular governors in the nation, and her energy/drilling policies mean McCain will most likely flip on ANWR. She's pro life, pro gun (NRA member),anti corruption, and anti pork.
As far as experience, she has more executive experience than Obama does. And as far as foreign experience, HELLO...her state borders two foreign countries. Conservs have been hoping she'd be the pick, and I'm one of them. I think you sorely underestimate this pick. |
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Wonder how much they are gonna rip on her for having a child with Down's syndrome.
Of course the criticism will be of her being a terrible mom because she is so busy. Just watch. |
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Does this mean you are going to the polls ?
Or are you still planning to stay home. |
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The fact that she is staunchly pro-life, with 5 children, and one with Down's Syndrome is almost the perfect scenario for McCain in courting the religious right and the party base. Nobody from Obama's camp will raise an issue over the Down's Syndrome - that would be suicide.
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Fossten made a good point on this. Also, how relevant are the VP debates? do most people pay attention to them? In the main debates, McCain is gonna OWN Obama, judging by the whole saddleback thing...
Very good point... but anger at the DNC and Obama may outweigh that... |
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Are you asking me or telling me? Seriously, Deville, you are trying to bait me and it's getting old. Can you have a serious conversation, like ever?
I would take any conservative governor, ANY. Got it? |
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Again, Biden isn't that stupid to try either of those approaches, considering the ex-Hillarites.
Ever try and tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body? Those are the women McCain is trying to pull. Palin better be as charming as she is good-looking, to have a chance. - Edit: Monster, good idea to merge both this and the Palin thread? |
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an anti-choice(pro-life) candidate isn't going to be appealing to the vast majority of them.
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If you are a one-issue voter (ie: pro-choice), of course, this pick won't matter.
But what this pick will do is open women's eyes to the issue of abortion. Here is a woman that has everything it seems. Hard working husband, family, career, etc. Why would she decide to keep this last child when Obama has made it so easy to destroy it, even if it survives the initial murder attempt. I'm sure Obama would have been happy to put a pillow over the infants face soon after birth. If you think her pro-life stance is going to shoo away the majority of women, I think you are mistaken. She gains more than she loses, imho. |
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Bet you Bill Clinton is kicking himself in the ass for picking Al Gore. I'm sure Bill would have been calling for meetings with the VP every hour on the hour.
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I will admit it is somewhat anecdotal, and based in Kansas (so my basis for this judgement is limited), but a lot of female Hillary supporters I personally know will now be voting for McCain due to this move, and they are pro-choice.
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About these so-called Hillary supporters... Doesn't anyone remember Rush's "Operation Chaos"? I have the feeling many of these people who claim to be jumping ship to McCain never would have voted for her in the general anyway. The vast majority of them I've heard interviewed or read comments from sound more like Bryan than they do Democrats or even independents. It's never about the issues, let alone abortion rights or health care, it's all about hating Obama for one reason or another.
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Another angle (that will be brought up) not working for her, the "what if" McCain has a heart attack or another incapacitating illness. She has less overall experience than even Obama.
(I wiki'd) Mayor of a town with a pop of 5k. (10 years) Gov for two years. I don't know, gut instinct tell me this will backfire on the GOP. |
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About these so-called Hillary supporters... Doesn't anyone remember Rush's "Operation Chaos"? I have the feeling many of these people who claim to be jumping ship to McCain never would have voted for her in the general anyway. The vast majority of them I've heard interviewed or read comments from sound more like Bryan than they do Democrats or even independents. It's never about the issues, let alone abortion rights or health care, it's all about hating Obama for one reason or another.
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Bob, lots of people have heard of her. Maybe the elite smart-set in Kalifornia don't know much about her, but in the heartland she's well known. She's one of the most popular governors in the nation, and her energy/drilling policies mean McCain will most likely flip on ANWR. She's pro life, pro gun (NRA member),anti corruption, and anti pork.
As far as experience, she has more executive experience than Obama does. And as far as foreign experience, HELLO...her state borders two foreign countries. Conservs have been hoping she'd be the pick, and I'm one of them. I think you sorely underestimate this pick. |
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Less experience then Obama? That is questionable at best. Look at the type of experience. She has much more leadership experinence then Obama, Biden and (in many ways) McCain. She has served in executive positions. None of those three have. Her inclusion on the GOP ticket makes it the strongest one for effective, decisive executive leadership. There is a reason Senator's are hardly ever elected president.
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Another angle (that will be brought up) not working for her, the "what if" McCain has a heart attack or another incapacitating illness. She has less overall experience than even Obama.
(I wiki'd) Mayor of a town with a pop of 5k. (10 years) Gov for two years. I don't know, gut instinct tell me this will backfire on the GOP. |


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the choice of a VP supposed to be someone who would compliment the presidential nominee in areas he(or she) is lacking, thereby making the best situation possible for America as a whole. What exactly does she bring that McCain doesn't already have himself?
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You're right about Obama lacking experience. Point was, the GOP was and is attacking him on that angle, which is a much smarter choice than all those "Barackopolis" and the like nonsense. But now they went and nominated someone lacking experience themselves, seems like a foot-in-the-mouth manuever, since the "honest all American girl" image will only get you so far.
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While true, telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies is an issue women take VERY seriously, also considering they have their yes set on the Hillary crowd. Going to be a hard sell.
Not the majority of women in all of America, the majority of woman McCain is hoping to pull from Obama. See? |
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You're missing one other important factor. McCain has needed to draw conservatives back into the fold. Conservatives who are disillusioned at his rather watered down conservative record. In choosing Palin, he has secured and solidified his conservative base. Those who swore they would stay home on 11/04 will now show up in waves to vote him into office.
I'm living proof of this. |
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You can throw "executive experience" around all you like, but not all executive exp. is created equal. Mayor of a town of 5k and the Gov of Alaska, which as Bob noted above, has a pop. of less than LA county. IMO, this is going to blow up in the GOP face.
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You can throw "executive experience" around all you like, but not all executive exp. is created equal. Mayor of a town of 5k and the Gov of Alaska, which as Bob noted above, has a pop. of less than LA county. IMO, this is going to blow up in the GOP face.
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What tide is that? The media manufactured tide? The tide that always shows an 8 point variance to the actual results tide.
The only tide I see is a 52%- 46% tide for McCain in Nov. |
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Another angle (that will be brought up) not working for her, the "what if" McCain has a heart attack or another incapacitating illness. She has less overall experience than even Obama.
(I wiki'd) Mayor of a town with a pop of 5k. (10 years) Gov for two years. I don't know, gut instinct tell me this will backfire on the GOP. |
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Glenn Beck: McCain picks Palin! August 29, 2008 - 13:16 ET GLENN: From Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, third most listened to show in all of America. I may have found my pick for President. I want to explain this over the next few days. But it may be now John McCain because of Sarah Palin's experience on taking her own party on but not the way John McCain does. And if John McCain thinks he could pick somebody like her and she will be neutralized and she would be and she would step to the plate and say, "Oh, well, now I've got my ticket, I could be, you know, the first female President or whatever." Her experience shows Sarah Palin don't play that way. This is a vice presidential pick that if she was vice president and she disagreed, I mean, if she felt things were going awry and they were losing the heart and soul of the conservative party, she just might be the kind that would step up and say, you know what, I'm done, I'm out, he's going to have to find another vice president. We'll have to continue to look, but I'm going to give you some things that I know about Sarah Palin that I think will energize you. We stumbled onto Sarah Palin months and months and months ago. It was right after the first of the year. I think it was it may have been April when I read about Sarah Palin, this unknown governor from Alaska, that she had just had a child with Down Syndrome. I want to play what I said on television the night we found out. Here it is. (BEGIN AUDIO CLIP) GLENN: 2006 not exactly a great year with Republicans with the election thing but I want to focus on the positive here, Sarah Palin. She was elected as the new governor of Alaska. I didn't even know a Republican won in the election in 2006, but she did. Sarah Palin. Impeccable record, one of the names being thrown around for possible vice presidential candidate for John McCain, but I don't want to make this about politics because it's not. Governor Palin returned to work this week, just three days after giving birth to her fifth child called Trig. The name means both true and brave victory. A spokesperson for the governor confirmed that Trig was born with Down Syndrome. Now, about the birth. Palin said Trig is beautiful, already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. I read that story today and I thought, why have we not heard about this story. Here is an incredibly accomplished, smart, powerful woman who beyond all her talents has something, it seems like no politician possesses, perspective. She understands what a gift she's been given. It's been my experience with the parents of children with special needs that God usually gives those children really as a gift to truly amazing people. Listen to her language that she used. She feels privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow unspeakable joy. I have a daughter of special needs and I can tell you that there is no one in my life that I have learned more from than my daughter. No one that has such a special spirit, no one that can inspire me the way that she does. I mean, it's tough sometimes. She knows it and I know it. But she is truly an incredible gift, and I am privileged to be entrusted with her. I believe the American people generally consent when we find somebody that stands out from the crowd, somebody who is able to shine even in such a dark realm as the world of politics. That's probably why Sarah Palin is one of the most popular governors in the country. Approval ratings in the mid 80s. Sure, I'm sure she's doing a great job, but it takes something more than that, doesn't it? Something by all accounts this woman has. Congratulations, governor Palin, a happy mom for the fifth time. From New York. (END AUDIO CLIP) GLENN: Okay. I know I am a dad of a child with special needs, but just that story inspires me. But there is so much more to Governor Palin why do I say I might have found the person that can make me pull the lever for the Republican party? Because this woman seems to have real principles. Let me just share some things with you. She first tried to run against the governor of Alaska, the former governor, Murkowski. She lost. Murkowski wanted to silence her. So he decides, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to appoint her onto the as the ethics commissioner onto the Alaska oil and gas conservation commission. I'm going to give her power. Now, this is a Republican governor appointing her and giving her the head over the ethics of the Alaska oil and gas conservation commission. He figured that, "She'll be quiet because I'll give her a little taste of power. I'll show her that I'm going to bring her into the party and I'm going to appoint her and she's going to sit right next to the head of the Alaska GOP." So she's sitting right next to the chair of the Republican party and the governor, who's a Republican, appoints. What does she do? She resigns. She not only resigns, but she resigns in a very public protest over the ethics that she saw on that, not just the ethics of that council but specifically the ethics of the head of the Republican party. People loved her. It's what I've always said about Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton would be President today, I don't mean she would be the nominee, she would be President today. She would have been President in 2000 if, when her husband finally said, "All right, all right, I give," if she would have calmly walked out of the White House and held a press conference that night and said, "I think Bill Clinton is an amazing President. I agree with his policies and he will always be my President because I respect him for what he's done for this country. However, a woman isn't treated like that. Over and over and over again every marriage has its problems. We've had more than our fair share. But you know what? He's lied to me for the last time, and he lied to you. You make your own decision, but as a wife, I've made my decision. You don't treat a woman like that." She would have been elected in a landslide in 2000. What people are looking for is somebody that's not intoxicated by power. Now, on a very small level we've seen this with Sarah Palin. Is she the kind of vice president that will stand up and say, "You know what, John, you're out of your mind, you're out of your mind. This violates every conservative principle I have in my body," and she is conservative. She is conservative. Let me give you a couple of things first before I get into those credentials. They're going to say, "You've got to be kidding me. You're showing me a governor of Alaska?" "Yeah, that's what we're showing you, governor of Alaska." She has executive experience. No one else on the ticket, no one else on the ticket has any executive they've never run anything. They've all been senators or community activists. None of them have ever run anything. She has. She's the only one with executive experience. Now, take it a step further. Let's look at the two let's look at the two camps. One has no executive experience, and the top of the ticket is the one with the least amount of any experience. The apprentice is leading the master. You look at the McCain ticket, you've got the apprentice in the appropriate position, to learn from the master, in this case hopefully teach the master a few things. She's also young. She's also a woman. You tell me that and quite honestly I think she's kind of hot. I've seen a couple of no, I'm just sayin'. I've seen a couple where she's I've seen a couple of pictures where she's looking pretty hot. I'm just saying she's a beautiful mom. That's all I'm saying. And Stu, do you have that confirmed that she is a beautiful mom? STU: Yes, Glenn, she is hot. That is confirmed. GLENN: Thank you very much. She knows how to run against all odds. This woman ran against not only the Democrat, she ran against the incumbent Republican, and she won. She won against the Republican in the primary and then she won against the Democrat. She has bipartisan appeal. She's a woman, but she's not a feminist. She's a strong woman, but she doesn't hate men. She is so pro life that when the doctors came to her and said, "Oh, boy, you've got a kid with Down Syndrome, what do you say, should we kill him?" She said, "Absolutely not." And she wouldn't allow them to perform any more tests. "We know he's going to have problems; we'll be able to deal with any of them." |
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You can throw "executive experience" around all you like, but not all executive exp. is created equal. Mayor of a town of 5k and the Gov of Alaska, which as Bob noted above, has a pop. of less than LA county. IMO, this is going to blow up in the GOP face.
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While I am unsure about this, I think you might be right.
I have to ask myself, is she able to run the country? Even as Governor, she's only been there 2 years. Before that she was a Mayor of 7,000 people. So experience is an issue. |
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Why would he put a small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency? This is a real laugher. By the same logic, why would the Democrats make a state legislator the actual president? The answer is that Obama is a US Senator of three years experience, and Palin is a governor of 20 months’ experience. Only Barack Obama has spent two of those three years not in the Senate doing his job but running for President. Before starting his bid, he had a grand total of less than 150 days in session in the Senate. Palin, on the other hand, has run her state for more than triple that time. And let’s remember that Obama is running for the top job, while Palin’s running for VP. McCain can’t talk about experience any more — he’s shot himself in the foot! Unfortunately for the critics, this argument doesn’t hold water, either. All four principals are running for the highest executive position in the federal government — indeed, the position in charge of the entire executive branch. How much executive experience does Obama have? None; he’s worked in corporate law, community organizing, and has eleven years as a legislator at various levels. Biden? He’s been a lawyer for three years and a Senator for 35 years, and has no executive experience at any level of government. McCain at least has executive experience as a squadron commander in the US Navy, but Palin has the actual executive track record that the others lack. She has governed Alaska for 20 months, negotiated a pipeline deal with Canada (which gives her more formal diplomatic experience than either Obama or Biden), was commander-in-chief of Alaska’s National Guard, and so on. Even her more local-level experience is more applicable than Obama’s: she served two terms as mayor, an executive position, cutting taxes and running a small city. Obama served in the state legislature, with no executive responsibilities at all. |
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And, uh, uh, uh, that's why I support Barack Obama. He's been a community organizer and a fraud all his life.
LMAO. PDS is already running rampant one day out. Listen to yourself. McCain has to die for this to be a problem for you. On the other hand, a racist muslim sympathiser with no real world experience (hell, the guy hasn't even won a contested election) should be batter up. OK, if you say so. |
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Actually, I am kinda liking her so far - but to be frank, you guys shoving her down my throat with BS terms like "PDS" might change that. You should look inward a bit bryan. You have "ODS". I men, you cant get off Obama, and really, 90% of your comments about him make you look a little loony because they really lack substance. I dont care where he was born or who his parents are or what his religon was. All that is BS to me. he is a candidate. Deal with him on THAT level. Try discussing issues instead of just hating.
I havent made up my mind either way yet and you already have me labeled. Fact is, I voted in the Republican Primary (proof available) - so you can quit with the labels. On the other hand, there is a part of me that is hoping to see Obama win so Bryan has 4 years of material... ![]() |
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While I am unsure about this, I think you might be right.
I have to ask myself, is she able to run the country? Even as Governor, she's only been there 2 years. Before that she was a Mayor of 7,000 people. So experience is an issue. I also have to wonder, is she the best McCain could find as a possible replacement should he die in office? There are clearly more qualified people around for that position, so where is McCain's judgement? How would other countries react to a MILF as President of the US? On the other hand, I do like some of the things she has done. For example, I like that she stopped the GOP's pork project bridge to nowhere. She also raised taxes on the oil companies and gave that money to the people of Alaska. ($1200 tax rebate check) So, while she is a MILF, (and a good one at that), and has minimal experience, she does appear to have some positives to me. |
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I did enjoy her "I'm an anti good-ole-boy network" politician remark, that took a set of balls, crowd didn't like it though. |
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Yes, the 1st photo is a photoshop job but funny nonetheless. |