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Here Fossten, you'll love this post.

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Posted by: MonsterMark

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/b...lago07.article

Proposed by Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D)
Support the Democrats and this is what you get.
They just want reasons to conduct illegal search and seizures.
Our country is lost.

Posted by: fossten

Using the revenue to "beef up crime fighting" - translation - more machine guns, tanks, and helicopters for the police to use on the citizens.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Blago is such a putz

Posted by: MonsterMark

They're telling you you can't smoke.
You can't go to fast food restaurants.
The list grows daily

And we get closer and closer to the civil war.

I always thought it was strictly going to be a left vs right thing, but now I'm convinced a major component will be government (and by default employees) against private (the tax paying) citizens.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

Anyone say radar detector?
I suppose they'll ban them in Illinois.
Cops have been using the traffic laws to pull people over and check them out along known drug routes (ie for doing 5 mph over) in Florida and other states for over 20 years now.
If the cameras wind up in fixed positions their locations will get posted on the internet.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

If the cameras wind up in fixed positions their locations will get posted on the internet.

That isn't all that might happen to their "fixed positions."

Posted by: Marcus

I guess this is as good a place as any to post this...

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/insu...?storyId=21857

Bill Would Let Insurers Track Where, When, How Californians Drive

Driving Data Could Be Used By Insurers to Discriminate By ZIP-Code

Santa Monica, CA – Legislation that would allow insurance companies to track when, where and how Californians drive passed the Senate Appropriations committee today. The bill authorizes different insurance rates for drivers who choose to protect their privacy and those who agree to place a “black box” in their cars.

“AB 2800 would force drivers to choose between fair insurance rates and protecting their privacy. No driver should have to make that choice,” said Carmen Balber with Consumer Watchdog. “Where I drive, when I get there and whether I stop on the way is not the business of my insurance company, or any other corporation who wants to place eyes in my car.”

Nothing in AB 2800 prohibits insurance companies from tracking whatever information they choose – including speed, acceleration, location and time of day – in addition to mileage. The bill allows insurance companies to give discounts for driver participation in a tracking program, but does not mention discounts for drivers who actually reduce their mileage, the purported purpose of the bill.

“Insurance companies fought mileage-based insurance rates for eighteen years after the voters mandated them in Proposition 103. The industry didn’t change its mind overnight. Insurers back this plan because it will get their spyware into Californians’ cars, while doing nothing to make them more closely tie insurance rates to how far a motorist drives,” said Balber.

Consumer Watchdog last week joined a coalition of consumer and privacy groups to propose a limit on the information collected by insurance companies to the actual miles driven. Groups submitting the amendment were: ACLU, Privacy Rights Clearinghouse, Consumer Action, Electronic Frontier Foundation, Consumer Federation of California and Consumer Watchdog. The bill was not amended before the vote. Read Consumer Watchdog’s letter here.

The information tracked could be abused in a wide variety of ways and create a host of privacy and fairness concerns:

- Will an insurance company interpret a driver’s quick stop to avoid a child in the street as bad driving, and try to increase that driver’s rates?
- Will an insurer look to avoid providing coverage to janitors who work the late shift, if the company decides that nighttime driving is riskier?
- Will insurance companies sell driving patterns to marketers and other corporations?
- Will companies label certain intersections dangerous and seek to alter auto premiums based on the streets people drive on?
- Will location and other data be subject to court subpoena, as is currently the case with other tracking devices that are used? FasTrak transponder information in the Bay Area has been subpoenaed.
- How long will insurance companies keep the information, and how will they protect it from hackers?
- Will the black box data be used to deny legitimate claims?
- How long will insurance companies keep the information, and how will they protect drivers’ from criminal invasions of their privacy? Just this week, the largest-ever identity theft ring was indicted after people hacked into the wireless networks of retail outlets to steal more than forty million debit and credit card numbers. Information transmitted wirelessly from cars to insurance companies could be vulnerable in the same way.

None of these questions are answered in AB 2800.

The insurance industry has made its desire to install technology in cars very clear, said Consumer Watchdog. State Farm argued to the California Department of Insurance this summer that insurers should be allowed to collect a broad range of information including: “time of day,” “days of the week,” “mileage by type of road,” “where miles are driven,” “mileage by speed intervals,” and “aggressive maneuvers (hard stops, starts, or turns).”

Progressive Insurance company is currently tracking “how aggressively” people drive – including braking and acceleration patterns – in other states. This driving data could be used by an insurer as a new way to discriminate by geography. Rules implemented by the Insurance Commissioner last month require insurers to significantly decrease the impact of ZIP-code on auto insurance rates. Frequent stops and starts can be presumed more likely of an urban rather than a rural driver. That data could be used by insurers as a back door method to place more weight back on ZIP-code.

The bill, by San Rafael Assemblyman Jared Huffman, is also an illegal amendment to voter-approved Proposition 103. It overrides the voters’ requirement that the Insurance Commissioner, not the legislature, adopt regulations about insurance prices. As a violation of a voter initiative, the bill will stall the issue of mileage-based insurance policies by drawing a lengthy court challenge if enacted.

Posted by: Marcus

And those morons out there will undoubtedly vote for it.

Which, along with their fascist anti-smoking laws, will be one more reason for me never to step foot in that sh!thole of a state.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of what's happened to this country. Bryan, go ahead and have your civil war. I'm moving to a 6 X 9 cabin in Montana to write my manifesto. I hear there's a vacant one available.

This nation has been sold to the highest bidders. It doesn't matter one god damn bit whether Sheik Barack Hussien Obama or John Dubya McBush is elected. We're done for.

Start brushing up on your Chinese now.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by Marcus

Bryan, go ahead and have your civil war.

You guys laugh, but it is going to be between those who suck on the teat of the federal government (and I include all fed employees) and those that provide those funds. It's coming faster than anyone thinks.

Posted by: Marcus

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Who's laughing? I'm sure as hell not. It may just be what this country needs. That, and a total economic collapse far worse than the Great Depression. I'm dead serious. That's the only way we'll ever stand a chance of taking back the country from those who stole it from us. I'm talking about those others who have been sucking on the government teat until it's dry: Wall Street in general, but especially the banking, defense and oil industries.

Government bailout for Bear Sterns and Fannie Mae? Sure, here's a few hundred billion taxpayer dollars. We understand you single-handedly brought this on yourselves through utterly irresponsible behavior and managed to bring the entire economy to its knees, but that's OK. We don't hold you accountable, because we need you.

Consumers? Here's a check for three hundred bucks that'll apply towards your taxable income. Go buy a tank of gas. Just sure as hell don't use it to pay your credit card bill. That would be unpatriotic. The banks need as many fees as they can get so they can get well again and come up with another pyramid scheme to f u c k over America and start whole the process all over.

Yeah, I'm losing it.

Posted by: fossten

I'm with you guys. I just don't have all my survival gear yet. And I don't have a hideout either. I do have weapons though. Anybody need an extra sentry?

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by fossten

Anybody need an extra sentry?

We'll be rationing. How much do you eat per day in calories?

Posted by: fossten

I can get by on 1200 if necessary.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by fossten

I can get by on 1200 if necessary.

You'll probably start out with some canned stew, beans and corn, plus powdered milk and flavored water. Some dead animal once and a while when available. Lots and lots of soups. Canned tuna. Protein powder. Etc. All stuff that has at least a 2+ year shelf life. Don't forget to bring a can opener or we'll have to use some of your ordinance to get the stuff open.

Posted by: fossten

You've got yourself a deal. I also have a Ruger 10/22 with a Mueller scope that I can use to hunt small game - it gets .5 inch groups at 50 yards.

Edit: I can bring my own food, Bryan. I just need a roof.

Posted by: shagdrum

Damn! You guys are makin it sound fun!

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

Damn! You guys are makin it sound fun!

Remote private lake/pond with one home and one entrance in northern wisconsin. About a 1/2 mile off the road. All the trees you could ever burn and a pond stocked with giant bass that we only bother a couple times per year. Lots of 5-7 pounders. There is a DNR access road nearby but that will be taken care of with a bobcat and a bunch of fallen lumber. The security of the cave bunker is only 150 yards away. Still need to get more iodine tablets and some Iodate.

Posted by: shagdrum

Nice!!

Posted by: fossten

Bryan, I'll pm you later. Thanks, by the way. I love the North.