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Obama the Muslim... Confirmed!

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Posted by: MonsterMark

Obama's half-brother confirms Barack grew up a Muslim

Apparently the Obamas of Kenya have been reading those scurrilous emails to which Barack likes to refer, because they have no doubt -- contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign, that the presidential candidate was raised a Moslem. They take that as a given.

As the Jerusalem Post reports, "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya."

The Obama brothers' father, a senior economist for the Kenyan government who studied at Harvard University, died in car crash in 1982. He left six sons and a daughter. All of his children - except Malik -- live in Britain or the United States. Malik and Barack met in 1985 in the US.

"He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik in a 2004 interview with an AP reporter. Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said."

In a remarkable denial issued last November that still stands on the official campaign website, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs issued a statement explaining that "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." OOOPS

Apparently Malik Obama, himself a Muslim, had not read the press release.

Melanie Phillips is the most recent commentator to draw attention to the massive body of evidence that leaves no doubt that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Islam is patrilineal) and raised a Muslim (so registered in school, acknowledging attending Islamic classes, reported accompanying his step-father to the mosque, and able to recite the Koran in the original Arabic).

Reuven Koret, Aaron Klein and Daniel Pipes have previously pointed to the attempts by Obama and his campaign to conceal the candidate's Muslim background. The well documented evidence draws upon the on-the-ground interviews by researchers in Indonesia and Kenya, published quotations of Obama's childhood friends and his school records, as well as the candidate's own autobiography.

It is not clear whether Barack Obama will now disown his half-brother Malik for acknowledging that shared family background. In any case, some one should notify "Fight the Smear" tout de suite. Perhaps they can get him with the program.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Article...tics/12918.htm

Here is Barack and his brother in 1985.

Posted by: MonsterMark

AH, listen to the chirp, chirps around here.

Lots of Muslim sympathizers voting for Obama I guess.

Posted by: shagdrum

The link didn't work for me...

Here is the full link:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Article...tics/12918.htm

Posted by: fossten

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: Tricky-Dick

For some additional "Light Reading" on Obama click here:

www.DontVoteObama.net

Posted by: TheDude

LoL.

Where exactly is the brothers undeniable proof that Obama is a Muslim? Besides of course saying "Obama is a Muslim"?

Posted by: Tricky-Dick

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

LoL.

Where exactly is the brothers undeniable proof that Obama is a Muslim? Besides of course saying "Obama is a Muslim"?

And how do we know that this "brother" is actually a brother? What is the definition of a brother and can we honestly believe that the definition is true. Is the definition followed by all or just a small group. Should we believe a group that uses the definition of the word brother or be skeptical?

Maybe the definition of "Brother" is that used in the context of the movie "Undercover Brother"...and by definition Obama and his brother aren't really brothers?

Nice Cadillac!

Posted by: MonsterMark

Barack is 6.25% African-Negro and 50% American. The rest is of him is Arab.

No wonder Osama gets a pass from Obama if we 'catch' him.

Don't worry. Obama is not electable.

The Republicans put up the worst candidate and it is still enough to beat the Dems. Go figure.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Where exactly is the brothers undeniable proof that Obama is a Muslim? Besides of course saying "Obama is a Muslim"?

Deville, you better go buy a bus. Obama seems to be out of inventory and his brother needs to go under one.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Barack is 6.25% African-Negro and 50% American. The rest is of him is Arab.

No wonder Osama gets a pass from Obama if we 'catch' him.

Don't worry. Obama is not electable.

The Republicans put up the worst candidate and it is still enough to beat the Dems. Go figure.

I think your numbers might be just a tad skewed Monster. He's 100% American, being born on US soil and all. Where did you get the 6.25% Negro and 43.75% Arab though?

Osama has had a pass long before that. Even Bush couldn't catch in all these years and supposedly he's been actively trying.

For a guy who repeatedly says that, you do seem worried.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

I think your numbers might be just a tad skewed Monster. He's 100% American, being born on US soil and all. Where did you get the 6.25% Negro and 43.75% Arab though?

You go tell B. Hussein Obama that. He's the one making a big deal out of his race, criticizing the white man, throwing his own white grandmother under the bus for crying out loud. No reason why we should be blamed for playing by his rules.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mom’s side.

He is 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his dad’s side. Only his maternal great-grandparent is ethnically African-Negro, thus his 6.25%

Therefore, he cannot even be considered America’s first African-American President because he doesn’t pass the 12.5% minority threshold to claim such minority status.

Don’t worry. I’m working on an ad for a 527 group to air on the internet and hopefully be picked nationally by the MSM on this very issue.

At the very least, let’s be honest with the American people and acknowledge Barack as the first Arab-American Presidential candidate. Which is what he is!
(Believe it or not, I have less a problem with that than lying about his African-American status).

Even more astounding is that nobody seems to be capable of acknowledging that Oblahma has an Arabic name. His Dad has an Arabic Name. So does every ancestor on Obamas’ father’s side. Why do they all have Arabic names? They are Arabs. And so is Obama. Don’t let the black racist Christian church thing fool you. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim.

And let me add, on Barack Hussein Obama Sr.'s Birth Certificate, it states he is Arab.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mom’s side.

He is 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his dad’s side. Only his maternal great-grandparent is ethnically African-Negro, thus his 6.25%

Therefore, he cannot even be considered America’s first African-American President because he doesn’t pass the 12.5% minority threshold to claim such minority status.

Don’t worry. I’m working on an ad for a 527 group to air on the internet and hopefully be picked nationally by the MSM on this very issue.

At the very least, let’s be honest with the American people and acknowledge Barack as the first Arab-American Presidential candidate. Which is what he is!
(Believe it or not, I have less a problem with that than lying about his African-American status).

Even more astounding is that nobody seems to be capable of acknowledging that Oblahma has an Arabic name. His Dad has an Arabic Name. So does every ancestor on Obamas’ father’s side. Why do they all have Arabic names? They are Arabs. And so is Obama. Don’t let the black racist Christian church thing fool you. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim.

That's very astute, Bryan. I suspect you will hear crickets on the other side (except for some nonsense non-argument ad hominem assertion by Deville).

EDIT: Bryan, I hate to do this, but in the interest of intellectual honesty, I must report that ABC News is debunking your OP.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

EDIT: Bryan, I hate to do this, but in the interest of intellectual honesty, I must report that ABC News is debunking your OP.

I would call that article more 'spin' than debunking.

Here, try this. http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

Btw, I haven't been able to hear the audio of his brother's interview yet so I'll withhold comment until then.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

I asked Monster how he can up with his figures, that isn't Ad Hominem, cry-baby.

Posted by: TheDude

"Once a Muslim, always a Muslim." very telling, Monster.

Anyhow...

His father looks quite a bit Negro to me. Either way, why should it matter if he has 1 or 1,000 Arab ancestors?

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Sure, when you take what he says out of context and parse it.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

"Once a Muslim, always a Muslim." very telling, Monster.

Afghan Man Faces Execution After Converting to Christianity

An Afghan man who recently admitted he converted to Christianity faces the death penalty under the country's strict Islamic legal system. The trial is a critical test of Afghanistan's new constitution and democratic government.

Abdul Rahman, 40, was arrested last month, accused of converting to Christianity.

Under Afghanistan's new constitution, minority religious rights are protected but Muslims are still subject to strict Islamic laws.

And so, officially, Muslim-born Rahman is charged with rejecting Islam and not for practicing Christianity.

Appearing in court earlier this week Rahman insisted he should not be considered an infidel, but admitted he is a Christian.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So what are you saying? I'm racist because I understand the tenets of Islam?

You need to look up: 'Muslim Apostasy'. I'd say Obama is in danger from radicals outside of the U.S. based on his Muslim origins. How ironic, eh?

Anyhow...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

"His father looks quite a bit Negro to me. Either way, why should it matter if he has 1 or 1,000 Arab ancestors?

Point is, why doesn't the media actually report that he is an Arab-American by geneology? It is what it is. Why run from it like Obama did today with the Obama supporters wearing Burkas?

The truth shall set you free.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Here is a ........... what, as far as race?

She lists her religion as Muslim/Islam.

Does she have to be 'dark' skinned to be qualified to be Muslim?

Posted by: Tricky-Dick

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

www.DontVoteObama.net

Is Barack Eligible to be President?

By Larry JohnsonAuthor: Larry JohnsonName: Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
about: Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm with expertise combating terrorism and investigating money laundering. Mr. Johnson works with US military commands in scripting terrorism exercises, briefs on terrorist trends, and conducts undercover investigations on counterfeiting, smuggling and money laundering. Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management. Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public Radio, ABC's Nightline, NBC's Today Show, the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine, the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured on terrorism and aviation security around the world, including the Center for Research and Strategic Studies at the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, France. He represented the U.S. Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna, Austria. From 1989 until October 1993, Larry Johnson served as a Deputy Director in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He managed crisis response operations for terrorist incidents throughout the world and he helped organize and direct the US Government’s debriefing of US citizens held in Kuwait and Iraq, which provided vital intelligence on Iraqi operations following the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Mr. Johnson also participated in the investigation of the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103. Under Mr. Johnson’s leadership the U.S. airlines and pilots agreed to match the US Government’s two million-dollar reward. From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career, he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA’s Operation’s Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence. In his final year with the CIA he received two Exceptional Performance Awards. Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial Security. He taught at The American University’s School of International Service (1979-1983) while working on a Ph.D. in political science. He has a M.S. degree in Community Development from the University of Missouri (1978), where he also received his B.S. degree in Sociology, graduating Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.

The Article:

I must admit I initially thought this was a farfetched question. But there is a significant body of evidence, some circumstantial, that suggests the answer may be “no.”

An internet friend (Katherine) has pursued this relentlessly. She sent me the following:

According to the state laws in Hawaii that were in effect at the time of Obama’s birth, a child must be born to “TWO” U.S. Citizen parents (this law was in effect from “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986,“ which means it applies to Barack’s birth.

But only Barack’s mom was a U.S. Citizen. Papa Obama was a citizen of Kenya.

Well, the Hawaiian law stipulates:

…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least FIVE of which had to be after the age of 16.”

It appears that Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means she was shy of the 21 years of age required by the law. In other words, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At what point was Barack Obama Jr., son of Barack Obama Sr., recognized by the U.S. Government as an American citizen? When he moved to Indonesia with his mother and step-father in the mid-1960s I am assuming he had a U.S. passport.

There is a law suit in the works. Of that you can be sure. As was noted in an early post today on No Quarter, Barack’s stubbornness on the birth certificate issue is keeping the matter alive. Not a good idea going into the General Election.

I am not a Constitutional scholar (nor is Barack for that matter). The relevant clause of the Constitution stipulates that:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Now, I had always assumed that a naturalized citizen (like Arnold) could not be President. but the clause, “or a citizen of the United States,” seems to open the door for people who become citizens. Any lawyers out there?

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Islam isn't a "race", so you wouldn't be a racist.

Maybe because he isn't Arab, or doesn't identify as Arab? If McCain's great grandmother was Asian, should he have run as Asian-American?

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Here is a ........... what, as far as race?

She lists her religion as Muslim/Islam.

Does she have to be 'dark' skinned to be qualified to be Muslim?

What?

Again, you're confusing religion and blood lines. There are Caucasion Muslims, Arabic Christians and Negro Buddhist. One must not be a certain color to be a certain religion.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

What?

Again, you're confusing religion and blood lines. There are Caucasion Muslims, Arabic Christians and Negro Buddhist. One must not be a certain color to be a certain religion.

Didn't you just say Obama's Dad looks 'Negro'. Why the reference to skin color?

RE: the pic of the girl, you made my point. There are Caucasian Muslims, etc , etc.

No I'm not. Obama is Arab. Obama's family is Muslim on his dad's side and Atheist on his Mom's side. So why is Obama hiding from his Arab-American roots?

So I would say that makes him an Arab-Muslim by birth who happens to be half-white and a tiny bit African-Negro.

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tricky-Dick

I am not a Constitutional scholar (nor is Barack for that matter). The relevant clause of the Constitution stipulates that:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

The part you are looking at (or a citizen of the United States) is tied to the next part, "at the time of the adoption of this constitution". If they hadn't included that part in there, then no person would be eligible to be president for a generation after the constitution was written. That is all that is about.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

You said his father was (mostly) Arab, I commented that in the picture, he looks Negro.

Not sure how I made your point, I'm not standing on the grounds that a ethnicity = a religion.

His mother is Caucasian and his father looks very, very Negro. So not sure he's Arab simply because his grandmother is supposedly Arab. If he identifies as an African-American, then why should he embrace something else?

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

blah blah blah...blah blah blah...

There, fixed it for you. This way it makes a stronger argument.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Not just Negro, but very very Negro, eh? I'll bet they all look the same to you.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

There, fixed it for you. This way it makes a stronger argument.

What about Ad Hominem?

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Not just Negro, but very very Negro, eh? I'll bet they all look the same to you.

Hahahaaa, you clown.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Wow - talk about going racial --

Uh, Bryan - there are alot of non arab, non terrorist muslims. So even if true, my question is: So what?

I could care less about if he is muslim. Just like I dont buy into the McCain is really a 3rd Bush Term. I dont buy into any of this BS. Why? None of ity has anything to do with the ISSUES. Remember those? I dont care if the candidate is GREEN and from Mars.

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Wow - talk about going racial --

Uh, Bryan - there are alot of non arab, non terrorist muslims. So even if true, my question is: So what?

I could care less about if he is muslim. Just like I dont buy into the McCain is really a 3rd Bush Term. I dont buy into any of this BS. Why? None of ity has anything to do with the ISSUES. Remember those? I dont care if the candidate is GREEN and from Mars.

There is the issue of character (which the Framer thought was the most important aspect in a president), judgment and integrity, as well. If, in trying to distance himself from the whole Muslim thing, Obama has intentionally misrepresented or out and out lied, it would definately be relevant.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

I could care less about if he is muslim.

Then why is Obama running from it and lying about it? What is there to cover up?

As you know, most of these politicians suffer not from the infraction, but from the cover up.

-----------------------------

You might also like to note that Obama 'LIED' about taking public financing in the general election. This guy's word is good for

! At least Bush stood his ground, no matter how 'unpopular' the decision. This guy Obama has no spine.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by shagdrum

If, in trying to distance himself from the whole Muslim thing, Obama has intentionally misrepresented or out and out lied, it would definately be relevant.

Don't worry. There are of whole bunch of us trying to nail this lying messiah.

Posted by: Joeychgo

I dont know that he is muslim. But at the same time Bryan, your psots aren't of the sort where your talking about the 'cover up' but are coming off alot more like prejudice.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

I dont know that he is muslim. But at the same time Bryan, your psots aren't of the sort where your talking about the 'cover up' but are coming off alot more like prejudice.

I don't see any prejudice in his posts. Prejudice denotes "pre-judging." If Obama's a muslim, that's dangerous for this country because of the track record of nations run by muslims. Ever heard of shari'a law? Even in England they are having trouble with some shari'a law being adopted. If it happens here we're all sunk. Just google muslim head tax and see what comes up.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

I don't see any prejudice in his posts. Prejudice denotes "pre-judging." If Obama's a muslim, that's dangerous for this country because of the track record of nations run by muslims.

Perfect example.

That statement right there is prejudging Obama due to his race/religion. (if it is in fact his race/religion)

If Obama is really african american, is that dangerous due to the track record of african americans and street crime?

Hmm.. McCain. Sounds Irish. That could be dangerous too. You know how the Irish are with drinking and hot tempers.

See my point?

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Perfect example.

I'm not trying to prejudge Obama. I am forced to do (along with many others) what the media did not do. Which was to vet this guy. The media annointed him from the beginning and threw Hillary under the bus. They have given a pass to Obama on every issue and every comment he has made.

You don't get it. I don't care if he is Arab or a Muslim. If he is, let the chips fall where they may. Maybe we are not ready for an Arab/Muslim President, just like we are supposed to now be ready for an African/American President.

And absolutely not, I will not allow Barack to define himself as he sees fit. It is only political expediency this guy cares about. He is the most arrogant a-hole I have ever seen running for government and feels he is the one who is the messiah that can step in, rob the money from people who earn it and redistribute that money the way he sees fit. He is a Marxist. The fact you can't see that, or worse, don't care really bothers me.

It is troubling so many people want to put him on a pedestal when he stands for nothing and has a history of standing for nothing, except the desire to install a socialist solution to every issue in America.

The fact that this election will be close is a testament to the fact that the Democrats are complete and utter morons.

The media and the independents used the system to get McCain put in place. Had the Dems put up anybody that was close to the center, he would have won in a cakewalk. Repubs wouldn't have supported McCain. We would have settled for 4 years of Dems and tried again in 2012. The way it stands, we all have to hold our nose and vote for McCain. As Americans, we can't EVER afford to take a flier on our President like so many people want to do with Obama. Ever!

Instead the Dems nominate the least experienced guy with the most baggage. He is also the most liberal Senator and one of the most liberal candidates to have ever run for office. He is a danger to the American way of life and the very pillars of behavior that have made this Country great.

Muslim or not, he is racist crook from Illinois politics. Talk about a puppet! Who are the people pulling the strings for this incompetant?

Posted by: nightriddah

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

"Once a Muslim, always a Muslim." very telling, Monster.

Anyhow...

His father looks quite a bit Negro to me. Either way, why should it matter if he has 1 or 1,000 Arab ancestors?

I don't get that statement at all????? I know Puerto Rican's and Jamaicans with the same characteristics.....They don't put Negro as their nationality.
I guess my question is, what does "looks quite a bit Negro" mean?

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightriddah

The dark skin and facial features look Negro, just as McCain's light skin and facial features look Caucasian. My point was that if Obama's father is Arab or mostly Arab as some claim, he certainly doesn't look it.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Instead the Dems nominate the least experienced guy with the most baggage. He is also the most liberal Senator and one of the most liberal candidates to have ever run for office. He is a danger to the American way of life and the very pillars of behavior that have made this Country great.

That was said about Kerry in '04.

Posted by: nightriddah

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

I honestly think you are generalizing because of facial features way too much. But if you must, I think the phrase you are looking for is African features.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightriddah

I honestly think you are generalizing because of facial features way too much. But if you must, I think the phrase you are looking for is African features.

Yes, I'm the one that is generalizing.

No, as "African" has many peoples that vary in ethnicity from North to South and East to West. Should I say "European" in lieu of Caucasian?

Posted by: nightriddah

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Yes, I'm the one that is generalizing.

No, as "African" has many peoples that vary in ethnicity from North to South and East to West. Should I say "European" in lieu of Caucasian?

That may be true in todays Africa, but I'm speaking of Africa before what you see today. You can keep ur little cute eye rolls to yourself by the way.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightriddah

That may be true in todays Africa, but I'm speaking of Africa before what you see today. You can keep ur little cute eye rolls to yourself by the way.

Before what? The ancient Egyptians? Carthage? The Berbers? Before man spread out of Africa?

Posted by: nightriddah

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Before what? The ancient Egyptians? Carthage? The Berbers? Before man spread out of Africa?

yep.... I'm going waaay back

Posted by: nightriddah

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Before what? The ancient Egyptians? Carthage? The Berbers? Before man spread out of Africa?

wait, are you saying man came from Africa?

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightriddah

yep.... I'm going waaay back

You do that.

Posted by: TheDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightriddah

wait, are you saying man came from Africa?

Yes, but feel free to believe otherwise, be it God placed us all here in our proper places, alien intervention or ???.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightriddah

wait, are you saying man came from Africa?

Yes he is. Funny that Africa is the most backwards of all the continents though. Not much progress these last couple thousand years.

Posted by: nightriddah

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Yes he is. Funny that Africa is the most backwards of all the continents though. Not much progress these last couple thousand years.

hummm... I thought the same thing about us when I heard someone refer to Obama as "colored" and it's 2008!. guess old habits are hard to break

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Sure, when you take what he says out of context and parse it.

So, is this taken out of context? (note: HotAir has a link to the actual audio, so you cannot claim he didn't say it.)

Who’s playing the race card?

Update: Audio added

posted at 11:11 am on June 21, 2008

by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama told supporters in Jacksonville that Republicans would launch racist attacks against him in the upcoming election. Without noting a single supporting piece of evidence, Obama cast any opposition to him as bigotry, and in doing so, recalled just a touch of Joe McCarthy’s tactics:

Quote:

Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama said on Friday he expects Republicans to highlight the fact that he is black as part of an effort to make voters afraid of him.

“It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy,” Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. “We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid.

“They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”

The ironic part of this argument is that it ignores the tactics his fellow Democrats used in the primary, while also overlooking John McCain’s efforts to distance himself from the same tactics. It was, after all, staffers on the Hillary Clinton campaign that sent the photo of Obama in African garb to the Drudge Report. It was Bill Clinton who suggested that Obama’s victory in South Carolina was no more significant than Jesse Jackson’s in 1988. It was Hillary who explicitly went after the white, working-class vote in the later primaries that bruised Obama so badly.

John McCain, meanwhile, was a lot more outspoken in criticizing his own supporters for relying on crypto-ethnic references. He immediately and publicly disowned, without any prompting, Bill Cunningham in Ohio after the radio host enphasized Obama’s middle name (Hussein) in his introductory remarks. McCain also fired one staffer for e-mailing a Jeremiah Wright video after explicitly saying that his campaign would have no comment on Wright or Trinity United. Meanwhile, Hillary could only offer a tepid “as far as I know” repudiation of the rumor that Obama is/was a Muslim.

Just as with his untrue statements on Republican financing and 527s, Obama seems content to issue lies and smears in order to inflame the electorate. There is more than a little hint of McCarthyism in this tactic. Joe McCarthy waved pieces of paper around and claimed to have lists of Communists in government that he never substantiated. Obama likes to accuse Republicans of racism without any proof, either, while apparently discounting the real race-card playing in his own party.

If he has proof that the Republican Party and/or John McCain plan racist attacks on him, let him show it. If he doesn’t, then Obama is guilty of his own racial pandering and should apologize.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/2...the-race-card/

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Obama: “They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”

LOL.

I think the media has done a pretty good job of telling us he is BLACK!

What they haven't done is tell us he is more Arab than Black. We'll never hear that though.

Posted by: squidnomore

Man this thread has run the gambit.

If you don't want to vote for the guy, don't. There's plenty wrong with either candidate. Choose a reason or stick with racism, either way.

Who gives a crap what religion either of them are? Ever hear about separation of church and state? The money says "In God We Trust" but we make sure to ask for ID most of the time.

Arab; where was that Christ guy born? Yeah, shouldn't trust them Arabs...

As long as the polling booth has the Republican and Democratic party buttons on them, the term intelligent voter is an oxymoron. Plenty of them would elect Osama if he was on the right party ticket.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by squidnomore

Arab; where was that Christ guy born? Yeah, shouldn't trust them Arabs...

Your ignorance knows no bounds. Jesus Christ is a Jew. And he was born in Bethlehem.

Hey, I know! Try reading the Bible next time.

Posted by: Calabrio

Posted by: fossten

^^^^Man, that's funneh...

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by squidnomore

Who gives a crap what religion either of them are? Ever hear about separation of church and state? The money says "In God We Trust" but we make sure to ask for ID most of the time.

There is no "separation of church and state" in the Constitution or any founding documents.

What is the relevance of this point anyway?

Because of the 1st amendment, people shouldn't look at a candidates religious background when deciding who to vote for?

That is absurd! Religious background can say a lot about a person, and that is very relevant to this election.

Considering the international scene today, and terrorism specifically, it is hardly unthinkable that potential ties to the religion that is the driving force of most terrorism in the world today would be an issue in the campaign for the presidency of the country that is the target of that terrorism.

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Arab; where was that Christ guy born? Yeah, shouldn't trust them Arabs...

Again, relevance?

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As long as the polling booth has the Republican and Democratic party buttons on them, the term intelligent voter is an oxymoron.

That makes sense, as non sequiturs always do.

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Plenty of them would elect Osama if he was on the right party ticket.

And how does this tie into the previous line, logically? It hardly says anything about the intelligence of the voters in question.

Being on a certain party ticket says a lot about a candidate; including what their overall political, social, economic and even moral philosophy tends to be, among other things. To not take that into consideration, and give it a lot of weight would be foolish.

"Intelligent voter" may be an oxymoron in your case, but most of us in this area of the forum are actually rather well informed and intelligent.

Any more mindless rhetoric and mischaracterization you have to offer this thread? Rest assured that it will be thoroughly vetted for the substance-lacking distortion that it truly is.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by fossten

^^^^Man, that's funneh...

I can't stomach another Obama debate. I figure I'll just save my energy until the fall..... but I'll pull out the photoshop hammer for a quick smile.....

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

but I'll pull out the photoshop hammer for a quick smile.....

Osama Obama

Posted by: squidnomore

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Originally Posted by fossten

Your ignorance knows no bounds. Jesus Christ is a Jew. And he was born in Bethlehem.

Hey, I know! Try reading the Bible next time.

You can't figure out the difference between religion and geographical area, and you think I have ignorance?

No wonder you can't understand things.

Posted by: squidnomore

Considering the international scene today, and terrorism specifically, it is hardly unthinkable that potential ties to the religion that is the driving force of most terrorism in the world today would be an issue in the campaign for the presidency of the country that is the target of that terrorism.

In essence you're stating all Muslims are terrorists, therefore can't be trusted. I see. Which is why we're in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which is why we're working side by side with them. Can't trust them. Not a bit. Muslim = evil. Now who did the Oklahoma City bombing again? Guess we can't trust white guys either. Goodbye McCain.

As for "intelligent voter", you say the party makes the individual. Our history is full of people of both parties being charged with crimes. The individual should be the concern, not the party ticket. However, people will blindly follow the party instead of the merits, or lack thereof, of the candidate. And those "well informed and intelligent" people pull the lever for party, not for country. Because, after all, it's the "other" party that is responsible for the ills of the nation.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by squidnomore

Considering the international scene today, and terrorism specifically, it is hardly unthinkable that potential ties to the religion that is the driving force of most terrorism in the world today would be an issue in the campaign for the presidency of the country that is the target of that terrorism.

In essence you're stating all Muslims are terrorists, therefore can't be trusted. I see. Which is why we're in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which is why we're working side by side with them. Can't trust them. Not a bit. Muslim = evil. Now who did the Oklahoma City bombing again? Guess we can't trust white guys either. Goodbye McCain.

Sorry, wrong. There's a big difference between working with muslims to stop terrorism and electing a muslim to the Presidency. That's a flawed argument.

And apparently in addition to not knowing the first thing about the Bible, you are equally ignorant of the Koran. Looks like you have a lot of reading to do. I won't hold my breath. Just keep making a fool out of yourself here, it's amusing.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by squidnomore

You can't figure out the difference between religion and geographical area, and you think I have ignorance?

No wonder you can't understand things.

You implied Christ is an Arab, plain and simple. That's a false claim that's easy to disprove, and it's so absurd that even a nine year old child knows it's baloney. I'm sorry, I guess I just didn't get the nuance of your claim.

Christ was a Jew both racially and geographically. He was Arab in no way whatsoever.

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidnomore

In essence you're stating all Muslims are terrorists, therefore can't be trusted. I see. Which is why we're in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which is why we're working side by side with them. Can't trust them. Not a bit. Muslim = evil. Now who did the Oklahoma City bombing again? Guess we can't trust white guys either. Goodbye McCain.

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As for "intelligent voter", you say the party makes the individual.

Another intentional set up of a straw man mischaracterization. I never came close to saying "the party makes the individual". What I said was:

Being on a certain party ticket says a lot about a candidate; including what their overall political, social, economic and even moral philosophy tends to be, among other things. To not take that into consideration, and give it a lot of weight would be foolish.

That is hardly the same as saying that "the party makes the individual".

You are once again showing your complete lack of intellectual integrity here.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Poor Squid.

You guys are double teaming him.

Obama brought up his race. Obama brought up his race. Obama brought up his wife. All fair game.

Posted by: fossten

Heh. Better bring ya 'A' game or don't come at all.

Seriously, Shag is the man. I'm just sorta leaning on him. He's Hall and I'm Oates.

Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by fossten

Christ was a Jew both racially and geographically. He was Arab in no way whatsoever.

Jews Are The Genetic Brothers Of Palestinians, Syrians, And Lebanese

ScienceDaily (May 9, 2000) — If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years. -END SNIP

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0509003653.htm

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

What you quote is not false, however it in NO WAY WHATSOEVER proves that Christ is Arab. Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, and Jews are descendants of Isaac. Plain and simple.

I award you no points, but you are welcome to try again.

Posted by: TheDude

Never said Christ was an Arab, just showing that Jews and Arabs are related and at one point were the same, especially going back 2000+ years. The only thing that separated the two were territorial borders and a difference of religious views it seems, though Arabs weren't Muslims then.

Of note, there are Arabs who are Jewish.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Never said Christ was an Arab, just showing that Jews and Arabs are related and at one point were the same, especially going back 2000+ years. The only thing that separated the two were territorial borders and a difference of religious views it seems, though Arabs weren't Muslims then.

Of note, there are Arabs who are Jewish.

You appeared to be attempting to support Squid's position. But the conflict goes back much farther than 2,000 years. It's more like 4,000.

Posted by: squidnomore

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Originally Posted by fossten

No, it's not. If muslims be evil, as he stated, working with evil isn't smart. They should just be eliminated. His logic is flawed, as is yours typically.

1st thing about the bible? Um, sparky, he wasn't Jewish. Once again, you fail.

Posted by: squidnomore

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

Setting up straw man argument I see. I never said (or implied) that all Muslims are terrorists. You are intentionally exaggerating my claims here. Then showing red herrings that have nothing to do with the point I raised (the "working side by side with muslims thing" and the Oklahoma City thing, specifically).

Another intentional set up of a straw man mischaracterization. I never came close to saying "the party makes the individual". What I said was:

Being on a certain party ticket says a lot about a candidate; including what their overall political, social, economic and even moral philosophy tends to be, among other things. To not take that into consideration, and give it a lot of weight would be foolish.

That is hardly the same as saying that "the party makes the individual".

You are once again showing your complete lack of intellectual integrity here.

that potential ties to the religion that is the driving force of most terrorism in the world today Your statement. Which part of that didn't you mean/understand? Or was most terrorism in the world today implied to be only 51%? No, I got it right.

Dance around it all you want. It is what you said.

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by squidnomore

There is no dancing around here, you are blatantly spinning and jumping to conclusions.

The Muslim religion is the driving force behind most terrorism in the world today. That hardly means that all Muslims are terrorists (which you are taking it to mean).

An assumed non sequitur on your part.

Posted by: squidnomore

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

You really need to find some new buzz words. Pick up a Word Power dictionary.

The Muslim religion isn't the driving force. What percentage of the world Muslims are committing terrorist actions?

The power seeking people that lead terrorists is the driving force. Where do they come from? Some are from Muslim nations. How do they excuse their actions? God told them to do it.

It's not because they are Muslim that they are terrorists. It's economics for the most part, or a lack of anything else to obtain.

While you run around chicken little afraid of the muslims, ask yourself this question; how many American citizens died at the hands of Muslims in the last 10 years vs. died at the hands of Americans or those who would call themselves Christians?

You drew the link of Osama/Muslim/Terrorism. Don't hurt yourself backpedaling.

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by squidnomore

The Muslim religion isn't the driving force. What percentage of the world Muslims are committing terrorist actions?

There's putting the cart before the horse...

The percentage of Muslims who are terrorists is irrelevant to validating or disproving my claim. it only serves to confuse the issue; a red herring.

The relevant figure would be the opposite; what percentage of international terrorists are Muslims.

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The power seeking people that lead terrorists is the driving force. Where do they come from? Some are from Muslim nations. How do they excuse their actions? God told them to do it.

Another red herring; more obfuscation.

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It's not because they are Muslim that they are terrorists. It's economics for the most part, or a lack of anything else to obtain.

There is a huge leap, even from the premise you set out. Because Islam isn't the driving force of terrorism, economic desperation is the reasons? Another non sequitur...

The only way you could make that connection of Middle Eastern terrorism being due to economic desperation is through some Marxist (flawed and wrong) assumptions. I think I may have just uncovered the true root of your lack of intellectual integrity!

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While you run around chicken little afraid of the muslims, ask yourself this question; how many American citizens died at the hands of Muslims in the last 10 years vs. died at the hands of Americans or those who would call themselves Christians?

There is a leading question. "American's or those who would call themselves Christians"?! With the way that question is worded, you can claim almost anyone in a democracy is a Christian, even possibly the Jewish population.

You could very easily have worded the question as "how many have died at the hands of Muslims vs. How many have died at the hands of Christians", but I am sure you know that the answer would have been that more have died at the hands of Muslims.

Either way, this point is irrelevant to this discussion; yet another red herring to distract from the actual debate here.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by squidnomore

The Muslim religion isn't the driving force.

You really need to rent this movie and ed- u- mi- cate yourself.

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidnomore

You really need to find some new buzz words. Pick up a Word Power dictionary.

The Muslim religion isn't the driving force. What percentage of the world Muslims are committing terrorist actions?

Versus what percentage of world Christians? How about including those who teach, support, and finance terrorist actions as well? For example, the school systems of Syria and Saudia Arabia? Last time I checked, those were Islamic nations. If you included those, your argument might have a little bit of accuracy, but as is, it's pathetically inadequate.

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The power seeking people that lead terrorists is the driving force. Where do they come from? Some are from Muslim nations. How do they excuse their actions? God told them to do it.

It's not because they are Muslim that they are terrorists. It's economics for the most part, or a lack of anything else to obtain.

Baloney. Please cite supporting documentation. Misrepresenting the truth doesn't change it, Squirt. The fact is that their Islamic beliefs are the driving philosophy, however twisted or corrupted it may be, and that itself is debatable. Again, if you knew anything about the Koran, you wouldn't make such ignorant and irrelevant statements.

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Up until the Iraq war, or after? How many American citizens have died in the Iraq war, and how many died on 9/11? Answer your own questions. And don't use some stupid Rosie O'Donnell argument trying to equivocate Christians and Islamic terrorists. That won't wash out with the facts, Skippy.

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidnomore

No, it's not. If muslims be evil, as he stated, working with evil isn't smart. They should just be eliminated. His logic is flawed, as is yours typically.

Now you are out and out lying.

I never stated that "muslims be evil" or anything even remotely similar. Go back and read my previous posts in the thread. I challenge you to provide any proof to back that claim up.

In post number 61 you intentionally mischaracterized and distorted what I said and claimed that I was "in essence" saying that "Muslim = evil". You were the one who brought that up, not me.

Of course a self serving mischaracterization of my argument on your part is going to be flawed. Look who's writing it.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidnomore

You really need to find some new buzz words. Pick up a Word Power dictionary.

Heh heh. I can sense some real frustration here.

Actually, this is laugh out loud funny.

"Hey, stop pointing out the flaws in my arguments!"

Here's a clue for you: Stop using flawed, illogical arguments and I guarantee he'll stop using those "buzzwords."

Maybe you should pick up a book on debating.

Posted by: MonsterMark

The Obama File

All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.

He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies."

According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.

"I remembered that he had studied "mengaji" (recitation of the Quran)" Tine said.

Our guy in Jakarta writes: "The actual usage of the word 'mengaji' in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. "Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, 'mengaji classes' are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes."

"The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet." As Plato said, the images and stories we feed our children affect them for life.

"As I've stated before, the evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such."

Obama's half-sister, Maya, recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events," and "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers."

On January 24, 2007, the Obama campaign released the following statement, "To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.

Then, on March 14th, 2007, the Obama Campaign told the LA Times he wasn’t a "practicing Muslim."

But his official website says: "Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian" (dated: 11/12/2007, and still up as of 5/5/2008)

This is the basic problem with Obama -- his dissimulation -- some would call it outright lying -- but read what his classmates say:

Mates
In 2007, classmate Rony Amiris described young Barry as enjoying football and playing marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam."

"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny," said Rony.

Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims"

Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.

Posted by: MonsterMark

From the same site: "While a student in the late 1970s, Barack Obama carved his name in the pavement outside the cafeteria of Punahou School.

Kinda interesting, eh, King Obama?"

Posted by: Marcus

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

From the same site: "While a student in the late 1970s, Barack Obama carved his name in the pavement outside the cafeteria of Punahou School.

Kinda interesting, eh, King Obama?"

Yeah right. Apparently Photoshop can be used for good AND evil huh?

Regardless, if he does make himself King, just remember who laid all the groundwork. Hint: Starts with a B and ends with a ush.