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June 13, 2008 | For the third time in four summers, the U.S. Supreme Court has slammed the Bush administration's detention policies at Guantánamo Bay -- locking up terrorist suspects indefinitely and beyond the law. And this time, some real progress might even come out of it. In a 5-4 decision drafted by Justice Anthony Kennedy, the court ruled in Boumediene v. Bush that Guantánamo detainees have a constitutional right to habeas corpus -- that is, to challenge the legal basis for their detention in a federal court. Let's be clear, the decision doesn't do a number of things. It doesn't shut down Guantánamo. It doesn't order all detainees who have not been charged with an offense to be released. And besides saying that the detainees are entitled to a "prompt habeas hearing," it doesn't even say what factors the courts should consider when deciding whether the U.S. government can hold them. But the decision does achieve things that the Bush administration has been fighting against tooth and nail for years. First, the court upholds the fundamental right to habeas corpus, which has been part of the common-law tradition for centuries and was held dear by America's Founding Fathers. More than any other protection, habeas corpus means that the executive branch cannot arrest and detain you without a legitimate legal reason. The Bush administration wanted to whittle down that right. The Supreme Court said no. Second, the court makes clear that Guantánamo can't be a law-free zone. The main reason the administration started sending those apprehended in the "global war on terror" to Guantánamo in 2002 was so that it could hold people without intrusive lawyers and courts getting in the way. The court said no; detainees can challenge their cases before the courts. Third, the court said that laws enacted by Congress at the administration's urging in response to earlier Supreme Court rulings are no equivalent to the right to habeas. Under the Detainee Treatment Act (2005) and Military Commissions Act (2006), detainees who sought to challenge their being held as "enemy combatants" were entitled to bring their claims in special proceedings before the D.C. Court of Appeals. But the court said that this was no substitute for a regular habeas appearance: To require those who have been held for six years to complete this "before proceeding with habeas actions would be to require additional months, if not years, of delay." Because the Boumediene decision is rooted in the Constitution and not federal statutes (as well as the political realities of the lame-duck administration), it will be much harder for the Bush administration to railroad through Congress new legislation to keep the courts out of the process. Finally, the ruling may have important implications for the military commissions recently under way at Guantánamo. The administration seems hell-bent on pushing through the military commission trials of several 9/11 suspects, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, before the November presidential elections. The inability of the military commissions to provide anything resembling a fair trial has long been clear. The Boumediene ruling has no direct effect on the commissions, but they might have difficulty proceeding if the very basis for their jurisdiction -- that the defendant is an "unlawful enemy combatant" -- is still subject to litigation. In the end, Boumediene says that the U.S. president cannot be a law unto himself. It says that anyone held in what is de facto U.S. territory -- no matter what crimes he may have committed or where he is from -- is entitled to challenge his detention. And that's something really worth celebrating. From Italy, President Bush said Thursday that he disagreed with the ruling but "we will abide by the court's decision" -- as if he believes the administration has a choice in the matter. In the past, the administration has shown an incredible tenacity for seeking to undermine the rule of law. But then again, maybe President Bush will come to realize that his Guantánamo approach hasn't worked. That detaining hundreds of people who were later released without charge causes more harm than good. That trying people before ad hoc military commissions is a doomed process -- and that the federal courts can competently prosecute people for acts of terrorism, as they already do regularly. And that making the U.S. safe against acts of terrorism can be achieved with the help of the law, rather than by riding roughshod over it. Don't hold your breath. http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...13/gitmo_bush/ |
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Republican John McCain told reporters in Boston that he continues to support closing the detention facility, but is concerned about a ruling that gives habeas corpus rights to enemy combatants who are not US citizens. Democrat Barack Obama, who also wants to close Guantanamo, issued a statement that says in part, "This is an important step toward re-establishing our credibility as a nation committed to the rule of law, and rejecting a false choice between fighting terrorism and respecting habeas corpus. Our courts have employed habeas corpus with rigor and fairness for more than two centuries, and we must continue to do so as we defend the freedom that violent extremists seek to destroy." http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...ates_weig.html |
We ALL got screwed .|
Roe v. Wade was 5 to 4, so was Texas vs. Johnson. They still hold up decades later.
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I love your thread title. America gets 'fcuked' and you are happy to say Bush got owned.
We ALL got screwed . |
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Justice Antonin Scalia said: the decision "will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed." ( And the Left cheers!)
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I am also dissappointed by Scalia's comment though. Not because of what he said, but because it doesnt belong in a dissent. His job is to determine what effect the constitution has on an issue, not what effect it might have. His statement is an opinion that doesnt belong in a legal citation. IMO, its tantamount to legislating from the bench.
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Are you thinking about Doe v. Bolton (1973)?It's also unlikely that the SCTUS would overturn Roe vs Wade in one decision. The court generally doesnt reverse itself all at once like that.
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| And, my suspicions are that Obama will win, and then you will probably get a few more liberals appointed to the bench. And with a democratically controlled senate, you can bet they'll be flaming liberals. |
| I am also dissappointed by Scalia's comment though. Not because of what he said, but because it doesn't belong in a dissent. His job is to determine what effect the constitution has on an issue, not what effect it might have. His statement is an opinion that doesn't belong in a legal citation. IMO, its tantamount to legislating from the bench. |
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And yet you're happy to state that the Left is pleased that more americans will be killed. Bryan, you really need to sit back and think buddy. You are way too hateful of liberals my friend.
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We have 6 phy-ed public school teachers pulling down $120K plus full benefits/ins pension bringing them $200K per year. For Phy-Ed. But we can't have the dump open on Saturday and Sunday to serve it's citizens. Heck, every police car is brand new. Heck, we have a ratio of cops that must be 1-100 citizens. It is a joke. But we voted in the crackpot liberal who promised everything and will now cut the very services that law abiding tax-paying citizens use.
Thanks for the level headed response. My day to PMS.|
But, for starters - you can thank the liberals for pushing programs such as recycling. You know, those tree hugging enviromentalists? They are the ones that pushed for all the recycling in the first place. My point being - everything liberals do (or want to do) isnt bad, same thing goes for conservatives.
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And I believe you can thank GW and the Iraq war you defend so much for Obama becoming president should that happen. .
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(btw) the school district is seperate from the village - so teachers salaries have nothing to do with village funding. Think how I feel. I have no kids and pay 80% of my large tax bill to the schools (and we have teachers earning similar salaries) .
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ALso, dont forget, I smoke - and thanks to the Dems I cant smoke anywhere now, not even bars. SO I dont agree with them much of the time either. I just dont think they are end all be all of evil.
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ALso, dont forget, I smoke - and thanks to the Dems I cant smoke anywhere now, not even bars. SO I dont agree with them much of the time either. I just dont think they are end all be all of evil.
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I called my City Hall today to complain about Recycling Hours. They have 18 hours during the week (2 days 10-7) and 8 hours on the weekend (8-4 Saturday). I expressed my displeasure at the fact that they facility is open more when people are working and the only meaningful hours are 5-7 during the week and noon-4 on Saturday. Hell, who gets up at 6:00a.m. and has a trailer full of stuff ready to go at 8:00 a.m.?
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I am hoping hoping the truth about the Iraq war comes out before the elections. Bush stuck it out and he has won. Says alot more than the Pelosi and Reid types that say the war was lost. Americans don't lose. |
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I'm aware of how much goes to schools and how much goes to local government. As a parent with 4 kids in private school, it burns mew to no end to know that I have to support all the parents that send their kids to public school so they can have a vacation in Vail.
How sad is that. If you have kids, you know you are not allowed to smoke in the house? Right? Liberalism is far more destructive than it is constructive. |
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you can thank the liberals for pushing programs such as recycling. You know, those tree hugging enviromentalists? They are the ones that pushed for all the recycling in the first place. My point being - everything liberals do (or want to do) isnt bad, same thing goes for conservatives.
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Never been sold on the recycling thing. If the goal is less pollution, then it really doesn't accomplish that, IMO.
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I save over 2 million pounds of plastic/yr from going into landfills. I am more carbon neutral than AlGore could ever dream of being. I take crap that nobody wants and turn into a viable product people can use. So, in short, recycling works.
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if it is carbon neutral.
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Well, as bigof an industry as it's become, I have to assume that it's profitable. So I have no problems with it.
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1: You have the initial cost and air pollution (smog, CO2, etc) in getting the raw materials out of the earth, making them into a product, getting that product to market and then using that product.Now, step 2, option A is going to be cheaper and pollute less then step 2, option B.
2: You then have the cost and air pollution involved in either;A: Discarding that leftover product and transporting it to a dump, orB: Sorting and segregating that product from the rest of the trash, transporting it separately to a recycling center, turning that product back into usable material, making a new product out of that material, getting it to market and using it, again.
Making paper from virgin wood means growing a steady supply of new trees, which suck carbon from the air, and polluting more at pulp mills out in the country...Recycling brings more pollution into the city to collect sorted trash, pollutes more water to remove ink from newsprint, but cuts down fewer trees, which may hardly matter when the trees in question are farmed, much like corn or wheat.
Coal itself is yesterday's landfill, so there is a perfectly sound "recycling" argument to be made in favor of burying newsprint and corn stalks in modern landfills, where they are effectively mummified, not composted. Doing so could sequester two billion tons of carbon annually, enough to remove from the air much of the carbon that U.S. fossil fuels put into it.
...Recycling aluminum cans probably does save some net energy... but recycling glass or newsprint almost certainly does not. With diapers, ceramic mugs and newspapers, collection or clean-up generally does end up using more natural resources then tossing the old and making new ones from scratch.
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