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Barry won't release his birth certificate

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Posted by: MonsterMark

Michele Malkin wonders why he won't release his certificate.

2 more shoes to drop, that I know of.

Why won't Barry release his Birth Certificate?

Could it be because it states his religion as Muslim, just like his dad's birth certificate? Or was he born "barry" and later changed his name to warm up to the likes of Louis Farrakan?

Either way he is toast.

Also, there is a HUGE question as to whether he is even 'QUALIFIED' to be President based on the fact that his Dad was not a US citizen and his Mom didn't make the requirements necessary either.

Bring on the Supreme Court justices.

LMAO. The Dems are dinks.

Posted by: TheDude

Obviosuly, that proves he's a terrorist. Seriously, what is the sick hang-up with Obama being a Muslim? Does it really matter that much? There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, surely the majority isn't hell bent on destroying America.

The man was born on US soil, I'm fairly certain that qualifies as being an American.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Obviosuly, that proves he's a terrorist. Seriously, what is the sick hang-up with Obama being a Muslim? Does it really matter that much? There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, surely the majority isn't hell bent on destroying America.

The man was born on US soil, I'm fairly certain that qualifies as being an American.

You err by calling the hangup about him being a Muslim "sick." Classic tactics, trying to frame the argument.

I have a problem with having a muslim president. I am not sick. I believe there are millions who feel the same way I do.

Posted by: glanga

I have a huge problem with it. He should have no problem revealing his birth certificate. Even he realizes it will cause a problem. Mrs. McCain not revealing her tax statements doesn't have to do with the way this country will be governed and I sure as hell don't want it governed by a Muslim or even anyone who sympathizes with a group, even it's a select few, who are hell bent on destroying the West.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

The man was born on US soil, I'm fairly certain that qualifies as being an American.

Obama is a bast@rd child. His dad is not an American citizen. His mom was 18 when she had him out of wedlock. (Even their marriage ceremony in Hawaii is in question).

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On June 10th, 2008 at 8:37 am, legendx3 said:

Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/10...h-certificate/

Posted by: ketyokeinnor

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

The man was born on US soil, I'm fairly certain that qualifies as being an American.

That makes him a US citizen, but not a "natural-born" citizen that the office requires. I'd imagine if there were this big of a problem Hillary's people would have been all over it.

Ron

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by ketyokeinnor

I'd imagine if there were this big of a problem Hillary's people would have been all over it. Ron

You should see my post where I laughed at the media for NOT reporting that Hillary had SUSPENDED, not ENDED her run for the Dem nomination. Why do you think she only suspended it. She has all her delegates. Watch all the SUPERS change their minds again (flip-flop is the correct Dem term to use here.)

The right-wing has been working on this for a while. There are 2 other shoes that will drop before election day.

Obama reeks of a muslim sympathizer and socialist and guys like DeVille and others just sniff his sweet perfume. Totally comical if you ask me.

Posted by: ketyokeinnor

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I did not know that nor see your post, makes sense now. Haven't been able to keep as up-to-date on this stuff as I'd like to be, been working too many 12-18 hour days.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Obama reeks of a muslim sympathizer and socialist and guys like DeVille and others just sniff his sweet perfume. Totally comical if you ask me.

I can't really blame them. I'm 21 and basically everyone around my age has fallen for him. You try and point something like the birth certificate thing(or lack of experience) out and get labeled as a Bush-nut.

Ron

Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by fossten

Then what do you call having and problem with a person because of their (assumed) religion?

I don't doubt that. There's probably a sizeable portion of Americans who have a problem with having a president with a Negro background. Simply because there are "X" amount who feel that way, doesn't make it reasonable, does it?

Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by ketyokeinnor

I personally don't think problem here is him being a Muslim, but that if he is that means he's been lying about that up to this point. He's said over and over he's a Christian not a Muslim. That, in my opinion calls to question his whole campaign, all the promises for "change". Everything. If he is lying about something that you said matters so little how can you believe anything he says/has said.

That makes him a US citizen, but not a "natural-born" citizen that the office requires. I'd imagine if there were this big of a problem Hillary's people would have been all over it.

Ron

I believe he has said he was a Muslim at one point and converted to Christianity long ago.

There's also the fact that he didn't choose what went on his birth certificate, the parents did.

I think being born on US soil makes one a "natural-born", I'll have to look it up. McCain was born in a US military base in Panama, yet he is "natural-born".

These are just desperate fear tactics. Instead of attacking Obama for his stances on the economy, war, foreign relations etc. etc. etc. It's "his birth certificate says he Muslim, so he MUSLIM" and "He has no right running for president, he wasn't born here!"

Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Obama reeks of a muslim sympathizer and socialist and guys like DeVille and others just sniff his sweet perfume. Totally comical if you ask me.

He reeks of "Muslim sympathizer" because of what his birth certificate might say? You're funny.

In case your weren't aware, our close buddies the Saudis are the biggest Muslims on the planet.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

I call it a healthy fear of those who would destroy us. Here's the problem with your attempt to generalize - it's not just "X" religion - it's Islam. If you understand the teachings of Islam, and I know you should because we've covered it before ad infinitum, any good imam teaches that all muslims are supposed to be on a jihad against the US. That means if you're a good muslim, you are commanded to be on a jihad. Furthermore, you might argue that not all muslims are terrorists, but at the moment all the terrorists that have been or are currently at war with the US are muslim.

You don't see Mormons or Catholics or JWs or even Wiccans trying to fly airplanes into buildings, do you?

You are deliberately burying your head in the sand rather than acknowledging the truth - that Islam itself is the problem.

Posted by: glanga

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

He reeks of "Muslim sympathizer" because of what his birth certificate might say? You're funny.

In case your weren't aware, our close buddies the Saudis are the biggest Muslims on the planet.

Or because he studied in a Muslim school for 2 years and has close Muslim family members.

and there is only one reason the Saudi's are our "buddies" and it sure as hell isn't because they want to run for our presidency.

Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by fossten

"America" isn't listed in the Qur'an, so its highly subjective who the Muslims should be jihading against, "The Great Satan" and whatnot.. I also highly doubt that Obama (let's pretend he's a Muslim as fact) has an imam whispering anti-American slander in his ear.

I also don't see a vast majority (or any?) of Muslim Americans, which there is a sizeable amount, trying to bomb pre-schools or shoot up shopping malls. Odd that, don't you think, if they're supposed to destroy America to be a "good Muslim"?

You're generalization with your "Islam is the problem" absolute statement; facets of Islam are a problem.

Posted by: TheDude

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Originally Posted by glanga

US bases are considered US soil, just like embassies. There was no question as to whether he is a citizen, just a bunch of useless hubbub about it caused by Obama's campaign to lessen the blow of what he'll eventually end up showing everyone.

Or because he studied in a Muslim school for 2 years and has close Muslim family members.

and there is only one reason the Saudi's are our "buddies" and it sure as hell isn't because they want to run for our presidency.

I never questioned McCain's status. I was pointing out that if McCain born outside of the US, yet born on a US base is an American, then a person born on US soil is also an American, even Hawaii. It's really just a foolish tactic that is being used against him. "He's not American!"

I would think his converting to Christianity would supercede his two years of study in Islam. Having Muslim family members is irrelevant in regards to him being a "Muslim sympathizer", ie "terrorist sympathezer". Which is what is being implied.

Yet we deal closely with the largest Islamic country, who by all accounts, funds terrorism, but Obama having been schooled in Islam in his youth for a few years and has a "un-safe name" equates to doom for America.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

"America" isn't listed in the Qur'an, so its highly subjective who the Muslims should be jihading against, "The Great Satan" and whatnot..

That's got to be the dumbest thing anybody has ever said on this forum.

Are you not aware of what happened on 9/11/01? You've never heard America called The Great Satan? Who, then?

Are you not familiar with the imam muslim culture, and the fact that they are the ones who interpret the Qur'an for their followers?

Time for you to educate yourself.

Posted by: glanga

Haha....America not listed in the Koran? That gave me a laugh.
So because it's not mentioned in there, I guess the Ayatollahs aren't allowed to speak of America to their people.

And no, just because he "converted" to Christianity doesn't mean he doesn't still sympathize or hold the beliefs of the Muslim religion. People have done much worse and crazier things to get elected into office. I wholeheartedly beleive he is somewhat of a "double agent." Not literally but it will definentely influence how he governs if elected and I will sure as hell bet it'll be sympathetic to the Muslim cause.

Posted by: TheDude

Not one, but two of you, nice.

I said it is "subjective", ie a Muslim religious head can, if he should want to name America as the "enemey of Islam", not they have to under Islam.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

There's over a billion Muslims on this planet so I'll turn this around and say:
Don't you think that it's an advantage that Obama has had some exposure to and knowledge of the religion our enemies are using as a tool to fight us.
It gives him an opening in non middle east Muslim countries to help contain the radicals that McCain can not command.
He chose Christianity very early in his life instead of embracing Islam.
I've never heard of any American blacks who are muslims sympathizing with the terrorists.
Al Queda hasn't made any inroads amongst this group.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

There's over a billion Muslims on this planet so I'll turn this around and say:
Don't you think that it's an advantage that Obama has had some exposure to and knowledge of the religion our enemies are using as a tool to fight us.
It gives him an opening in non middle east Muslim countries to help contain the radicals that McCain can not command.
He chose Christianity very early in his life instead of embracing Islam.
I've never heard of any American blacks who are muslims sympathizing with the terrorists.
Al Queda hasn't made any inroads amongst this group.

If what you're saying is true, then why doesn't Obama come out and publicly embrace it? Surely if you're correct, the American public would gladly vote for him en masse as he would surely be the linchpin to solving the problem of why those nice Al Qaeda people misunderstand us.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

He chose Christianity very early in his life instead of embracing Islam.

And for the past twenty years he has been participating in black hatred towards America, hanging out with terrorists who hate America, married a woman who hates America, and likes to get in bed with the biggest criminals in Chicago.

The great messiah.

Posted by: Bob Hubbard

I just finished reading all the post in this thread, and Now, want to tell you something I heard on the Shawn Hannity show about three weeks ago.
It is no secret, there is no love lost when it comes to Hannity's feelings about Obama.
He has launched a one man campaign to see that he does not become president.
Presently he is sitting on some information that could conceivably end Obama's run for the whitehouse.
He didn't want to make it public while Hillary was running because that would have meant it would be her against McCain, and everyone knows, including Shawn Hannity, she would win the fight.
I would bet the farm, he will devulge this news after the demo convention, when Obama is the official candidate.
About three weeks ago, on his radio show, Hannity had a guest minister from Atlanta, who stated he had one thousand percent undeniable proof that Obama and that loud mouth reverend Wright,whome he later denounced, had an ongoing homosexual affair, and he (the minister from Atlanta) stated he would come forward with the proof at the approaite time.
Hannity is aware of this bombshell, and hasheld back until Obama is the official candidate.
Watch what happens after the dem convention.
Personally, I couldn't care less if he had an affair with the pope.
I don't like him, I think he is a liar, and I don't feel he has what it takes to be the leader of the strongest nation on the planet.
Bob.

Posted by: ketyokeinnor

Anyone have any idea what Larry Sinclair plans to announce about Obama next week? I read he booked the National Press Club on the 18th for some news conference on the "truth about Obama".

Ron

Posted by: 04SCTLS

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Originally Posted by fossten

You're funny when you're being sarcastic.

Posted by: glanga

So Obama and his minister have homo sex? Ha, yeah he gets my vote now!!!

Posted by: MonsterMark

I'm sure it was a 3some and the 'ol Rev was just showing Michelle the proper technique.

Darn, I'm down to one shoe to drop now.

Things are really starting to pick up.

I kind of feel sorry for Barry. Didn't he say he was raised in squalor? Probably had to turn a few tricks when he was young to get his smoke and coke.

Posted by: glanga

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I kind of feel sorry for Barry. Didn't he say he was raised in squalor? Probably had to turn a few tricks when he was young to get his smoke and coke.

Quoted for absolute pure amazing brilliance!

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I'm sure it was a 3some and the 'ol Rev was just showing Michelle the proper technique.

SECRET LOOOOOVERS!

Posted by: 04SCTLS

Looks like it's going to be a dirty gloreous campaign

Obama Internet site confronts rumors

Web page repeats innuendo, explains where it comes from, debunks it getCSS("3088874")

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WASHINGTON - Democrat Barack Obama's campaign said Thursday that Michelle Obama never used the word "whitey" in a speech from the church pulpit.
The campaign launched an Internet site to debunk that rumor and others about his campaign.
The rumor that the presidential candidate's wife railed against "whitey" in a diatribe at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ has circulated on conservative Republican blogs for weeks and was repeated by radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh. The rumor included claims of a videotape of the speech that would be used to bring down Obama's candidacy this fall.
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"No such tape exists," the campaign responds on the site, www.fightthesmears.com. "Michelle Obama has not spoken from the pulpit at Trinity and has not used that word."
The Obamas recently resigned from Trinity, where the Rev. Jeremiah Wright was the longtime pastor. Wright came under fire for sermons in which he cursed America and accused the government of conspiring against blacks. Video of the sermons spread quickly on the Internet and threatened great damage to Obama's campaign.
Other false claims about the Illinois senator — that he's secretly a Muslim who refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance and is intent on destroying America — spread widely during the primary campaign, and the candidate made it a habit of telling audiences to respond to e-mail rumors to set the record straight.
'A destructive aspect of our politics'
Campaign officials realized they needed to step up their debunking efforts for the general election, when many voters who aren't familiar with the freshman senator will be learning more about him.
Barack Obama bristled when a reporter asked him about the "whitey" rumor on his campaign plane last Thursday, saying it was nonsense that shouldn't be repeated in questioning by a mainstream reporter.
"It is a destructive aspect of our politics right now," Obama told journalists. "And simply because something appears in an e-mail, that should lend it no more credence than if you heard it on the corner. And you know, presumably the job of the press is to not go around and spread scurrilous rumors like this until there's actually anything, one iota of substance or evidence that would substantiate it."

Posted by: 04SCTLS

At the same time, his campaign was preparing the site to help stop lies that are spreading online.
The site explains that Obama is "a committed Christian" who never attended a radical madrassa during his childhood in Indonesia. With chain e-mails falsely claiming Obama was sworn into the Senate on the Koran, the central religious text of Islam, the Web site includes a photo showing him taking his oath of office on the family bible.
It shows C-SPAN video of Obama leading the Pledge of Allegiance with his hand over his heart as he presided over the Senate on June 21, 2007. It encourages people to give the campaign their e-mail addresses to "spread the truth."

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Well it's going to be harder than usual for the Republicans to slime Obama.

Posted by: MAC1

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Obviosuly, that proves he's a terrorist.

No, but this does:

Quotes From Barack Obama’s Books
May 8, 2008 · No Comments

Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance is a memoir by current United States Senator Barack Obama of Illinois. Below are some quotes for your review:

“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

“I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”

“There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

“It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names .”

“I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela.”

But seriously, while not a terrorists, Obama definitely has issues.

Posted by: fossten

If Obama was a committed Christian, he wouldn't have voted pro-abortion (including pro-partial birth abortion) all these years. He's a liar.

Posted by: MAC1

I'm going to amend my post about Obama's book quotes as follows:

Quotes From Barack Obama Books-Truth! & Fiction!
Summary of the eRumor:

A collection of quotes from two books written by Senator Barack Obama that try to highlight his attitudes about race and Islam.

The Truth:

All but two of the quotes seem to be accurate, but are taken out of context. One of the quotes does not exist and the one about Islam is fabricated.

Also, whoever constructed this eRumor claims that some of the quotes are from a book by Obama titled Dreams of My Father. The actual title of Obama's book is Dreams From my Father.

Let's look at them one-at-a-time:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."-Truth!

This is an accurate quote from the introduction to Dreams from My Father. The book chronicles Obama's experience as the son of an African father and an American mother.

"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."-Fiction!

This quote does not exist in either of Obama's books.

"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."-Truth!

This is a quote from Dreams from My Father. It it in a section in which Obama describes a job interview with a man in Chicago. Race had been a part of their discussion and the full quote is, "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white---he'd said himself that was a problem."

It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."-Truth!

This one is also from Dreams from My Father. It is from a section when Obama was a college student and wrestling with his identity including as an African-American. The quote describes his observation of what was required among his fellow students.

"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."-Truth!

This is from Dreams from my Father. The more complete quote is, ""Yes, I’d seen weakness in other men— Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."-Fiction!

This is a corruption of a quote from Obama's book The Audacity of Hope. It is from a section that talks about the concerns of immigrants who are American citizens.

Here is the accurate and more complete quote: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

Well it's going to be harder than usual for the Republicans to slime Obama.

Well, I'm up to the challenge!

Posted by: MonsterMark

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."-Fiction!

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Originally Posted by MAC1

and that I will stand with them [ Arab and Pakistani Americans - read: Muslims ] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."[/b]

Here, I fixed the quote for you.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

Obama's appeal in the Muslim world

An Arab Muslim foresees a possible new era of positive US leadership.

By Yasser Khalilfrom the June 13, 2008 edition

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0613/p09s02-coop.html

Cairo - U.S. Senator Barack Obama represents a phenomenon that has drawn global attention and captivated the minds of Muslims around the world as he wages a spirited campaign to become the next president of the United States.
In spite of the campaign's heated debate and some controversial rhetoric regarding Islam, large segments of the Muslim population here remain fascinated with the election and have become big fans of Senator Obama.
This level of support for an American presidential candidate is unprecedented in the Muslim world. That it comes amid an almost unanimous feeling of indignation and rage toward US foreign policy – particularly in Iraq and the Palestinian territories – makes it even more noteworthy.
The simple explanation is that many Muslims see new reason for hope in the political approach of Obama and his advisers. His apparent eagerness to rally more international support for US policy, and even talk to America's "enemies," is cause for optimism. Imagine what global politics might look like in Iraq, or Sudan, or Afghanistan, if Obama-like vision had influenced US leadership earlier.
As an Arab Muslim in Egypt who is affected by US foreign policy, I believe an Obama approach may help solve the accumulated problems between Muslims and the US that have become more aggravated since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. New and more creative techniques for dealing with extremists instead of the controversial methods used by the current US administration could also stop giving Al Qaeda and other such groups the pretext for recruiting new members. Then, perhaps, extremists would lose the arguments that fuel their criminal machine and lead them to destroy innocent people.
There are, of course, those in the Muslim world who oppose Barack Obama. They argue that US policy will not change with a new president. To them I say that Obama has already proved there's room to rock the boat; he opposed the decision to invade Iraq and is making concrete, logical recommendations for withdrawing US troops there.
Muslim cynics argue that all American politicians, including Obama, are biased toward Israel at the expense of Arabs. But we must differentiate between a candidate's support for a Jewish state and an inherent bias toward it. The US friendship with Israel doesn't have to be a threat, especially if he takes a more active stance on creating just and fair policies for the rest of the Arab world.
And then there was the apostate debate. When Obama was described as a potential Muslim apostate, many Muslims reacted with bewilderment and curiosity. Obama has said he was never a Muslim in the first place, yet some people considered him to be one through his father. To me, it's clear that Islam is a free choice, not hereditary.
Other Internet campaigns exploited Obama's alleged Muslim links by portraying America as a "racist country" whose citizens and politicians would never permit Obama to win because he is black and has Muslim roots. The effort was misleading, but nonetheless garnered the candidate even more sympathy in the Muslim world.
Obama's denial of being a Muslim does not mean that he sees it as an accusation, instead, he could be distancing himself from charges of deceit and hypocrisy. It's time to move on from these unnecessary debates and judge this promising presidential candidate on his political visions and ability to balance global Muslim interests with those of his constituencies and friends.
By embracing dialogue with Muslim populated countries such as Syria and Iran, and jump-starting US diplomatic efforts, Obama will open doors that have been shut – and bolted – in recent years. It is in the interest of all Muslim countries that the US president have such a constructive approach, even while maintaining a high degree of friendship with Israel and powers supporting it in the US and abroad.
In pursuing rational, inclusive, and creative politics, Obama can remain effective while still overcoming obstacles that impede the path of global peace and coexistence.
• Yasser Khalil is an Egyptian researcher and journalist. This article was translated from Arabic and written for the Common Ground News Service.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

An Arab Muslim foresees a possible new era of positive US leadership.

Yep. They see an opportunity to get us to let our guard down and then they can kick our ass.

It is not the pacifist muslims we have a problem with. Liberals will NEVER figure that out.

Grab and Coke and say "Give Peace A Chance".

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

In pursuing rational, inclusive, and creative politics, Obama can remain effective while still overcoming obstacles that impede the path of global peace and coexistence.

Ah yes, Obama.

Allah is in our midst. Alll bow and pray to the mighty messiah who will preside over the death of millions and millions of people.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

It is not the pacifist muslims we have a problem with. Liberals will NEVER figure that out.

So you admit that all muslims are not the problem.
Since there's over a billion of them it would be wise to try and stop the spread of the radicals as we can't fight them all and bomb them into submission.
Myself I don't understand the attraction to the Islamic lifestyle.
Doesn't seem to be a very fun way to live.

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

Myself I don't understand the attraction to the Islamic lifestyle.
Doesn't seem to be a very fun way to live.

71 virgins!!

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

Maybe Canada can't, but the US can. Do you really not realize that the US has the military might to defeat all of our enemies? Our problem is our noodle-spined politicians, not our lack of power.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

So you admit that all muslims are not the problem.

Yes,

But those Muslims need to join OUR team in the fight against radical Islam. Not sit on the bench twiddling their fingers. They need to step up or get the heck out of the way.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

71 virgins!!

Yes,
but no fun on earth.
lead a religious life here and get an orgy in heaven

Posted by: 04SCTLS

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Originally Posted by fossten

Maybe Canada can't, but the US can. Do you really not realize that the US has the military might to defeat all of our enemies? Our problem is our noodle-spined politicians, not our lack of power.

There are limits to what military power can achieve especially against an idea and fervent belief espoused by unconventional enemies.

We are only 4% of the world population and declining.
I cannot believe that you advocate fighting against this rising rising tide of world Islam instead of looking for accomodation.
I don't like these people any more than you do but more war is not a solution but an admission of further failure.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

I cannot believe that you advocate fighting against this rising rising tide of world Islam instead of looking for accomodation.

You mean like attempting to spread democracy through out the Muslim world?
For example, like in a place like Iraq?

Posted by: 04SCTLS

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

You mean like attempting to spread democracy through out the Muslim world?
For example, like in a place like Iraq?

Reaching accomodation is not the same as attempting to spread democracy at the barrel of a gun.
Attempting is the operative word here.
And at what cost?
4000 American military casualties, 10 times as many injured many with limbs missing, 400,000 with PTSD according to a recent Rand Institute report.
1/2 a million to a million Iraqi civilian casualties.
A TRILLION dollars.
If we let these people vote they'll elect an islamic religious government and continue they ancient hatreds and atrocities anyways.

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

Yes,
but no fun on earth.
lead a religious life here and get an orgy in heaven

Yeah, but....71 virgins!!!!

that may just be worth it.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

Let's be clear about a couple of things.

1. The Iraq war has cost a fortune because of the OCCUPATION. If we just bombed our enemies back to the stone age, we wouldn't have to occupy.

2. Democracy isn't the answer. Limited government is the answer. Spreading democracy around the world will not make it a better place.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

I cannot believe that you advocate fighting against this rising rising tide of world Islam instead of looking for accomodation.

Isn't this the typical liberal response? You're looking for accomodation while they are looking for annihilation.

Like I've said. Libs just don't get it. They'll get us all killed.

There is either victory or surrender. Sorry, not willing now or ever to accept the surrender part.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by fossten

2. Democracy isn't the answer. Limited government is the answer. Spreading democracy around the world will not make it a better place.

You're right.

Japan
Germany
S. Korea
South Vietnam
France (once German occupied)
Russia
Poland
Iraq
Kuwait
list goes on and on.

Ya, they aren't better places because of democracy.

I think Obama is the candidate you should support in the Fall Election. You guys seem to think alike.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

The they you refer to are the radical terrorists who are perhaps 10-100,000 people.
The they I was refering to are the other billion+ who we should be courting.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

You're right.

Japan
Germany
S. Korea
South Vietnam
France (once German occupied)
Russia
Poland
Iraq
Kuwait
list goes on and on.

Ya, they aren't better places because of democracy.

I think Obama is the candidate you should support in the Fall Election. You guys seem to think alike.

Your list does not debunk my point. I said limited government is the key, not democracy.

Please pay attention. You're getting a little like Joey.

Getting a little loose there Bryan. Russia is for all intents and purposes a dictatorship. Germany and France are socialist nations with serious muslim problems. Iraq is not a success yet, by a long shot.

And there is no South Vietnam.