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good ol show down at the track

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Posted by: Slavko3

Just wondering what my chances are for taking my brother in his 2004 BMW 330CI-M Package lets say quater mile and light to light or like 0-60. Horsepower 231 @ 5,900 rpm
Torque 214 ft. lb. @ 3,500 rpm , Curb weight 1,490 kg (3,285 lbs.),
Ive got 2002 LS8 With Magnaflow Exhaust, Intake Tube and KKM.

Just wondering what you guys think before I put quite a bit of money on it. I might be in way over my head here but by looking at the specs i think it would be very close? anyone from experience? hes been bugging me to put the car to the test.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

The 330 Coupe will take the 2002 LS unless you have all the mods, XCAL, intake, exhaust...

Posted by: 97stscaddy

What are his transmission and FDR ratios? Also give the weight of the car and what size wheels/tires will he be using?

Posted by: Slavko3

I have Exhaust and intake tube and KKM thats all.....his car is totally STOCK.. with a trunk full of

.. LOL doubt hell clean it out too.. he thinks its the fastest around.. lol well faster than mine anyway.... i just wanna win some money before he gets the 335I = 300HP two twin turbos :O anyway what do ya think?

Posted by: Slavko3

weight of car is 3285 pounds

Posted by: Slavko3

umm tires are 255-35-18 falcon's

Posted by: NYC LS8

You've got a few hundred pounds on him. Provided he knows how to drive, he wins.

Posted by: 06LSMero

It will be a close race.

Posted by: MMAFIGHTER121

i'm not so sure that the bmw would walk you so easily.. you far out torque him and edge him out in hp. if he's got a manual he'll beat you out the dig but down the strip you'll close on him. if he's got an auto i'm betting on you. here's something for you to consider:
http://www.modernracer.com/bmw330ci.html
0-¼ mile : 14.8 sec @ 95.0 mph(manual)

LS8s stock run high 14s and low 15s

Posted by: MMAFIGHTER121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slavko3

i just wanna win some money before he gets the 335I = 300HP two twin turbos :O

TWO twin turbos? a quad turbo!?

Posted by: HyeLifeLS

330ci ZHP is a sick car. It actually has 235hp and 222lb of tourque stock. I also has a shorter diff from the regular sport package 330 so it is faster, does 0-60 in about 5.6 seconds. Bimmer should win.

Posted by: HyeLifeLS

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMAFIGHTER121

i'm not so sure that the bmw would walk you so easily.. you far out torque him and edge him out in hp. if he's got a manual he'll beat you out the dig but down the strip you'll close on him. if he's got an auto i'm betting on you. here's something for you to consider:
http://www.modernracer.com/bmw330ci.html
0-¼ mile : 14.8 sec @ 95.0 mph(manual)

LS8s stock run high 14s and low 15s

That's the numbers for regular 330ci, the ZHP number are different.

Some Tech Highlights from the C&D article:

2004 330i ZHP- Car & Driver 9/03

Displacement: 182 cu in, 2979cc
Power (SAE net): 235 bhp @ 5900 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 222 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 107.3 in
Length/width/height: 176.0/68.5/55.1 in
Curb weight: 3285 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.3 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.3 sec @ 97 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 152 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 158 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g
EPA fuel economy, city driving: 21 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy: 20 mpg

Posted by: Slavko3

guys, thats not the specs of the car... look at my original post... thats the exact horespower and weight and i know definently that they run 0-60 i think about 6.7 seconds.... its a 6 speed manual.....and he has been driving sticks since he was 16 and has had camaros and such since he was 16....

Posted by: Slavko3

2004 BMW 330CI M package

Posted by: NHLSV8

hhahahahahaha... 350-400 bucks gives you a 100 shot! Good night BMW!

Posted by: Slavko3

so gents, what should i do?

Posted by: NYC LS8

Race him and find out. You lose, you lose. Big deal. Bench racing is gay.

Posted by: NHLSV8

See my above comment

Posted by: 02LincLS

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHLSV8

hhahahahahaha... 350-400 bucks gives you a 100 shot! Good night BMW!

amen to that...
well, by the time you finish and do it right, its around $1k (controller, tune misc) but your thinking is correct. i just barely beat my brother's 93 formula lt1 from a 50 mph roll with around 85 shot and running rich- but thats more than sufficient to take out a stock 330. and your wallet will thank you.

we're both going to new england dragway friday 5/30. he'll smoke me though when he's running his 150 shot in the firebird.

Posted by: Slavko3

no spay for me.... i think i got him with my mods.. jsut gotta wait for him to come down...

Posted by: Slavko3

i will def post results

Posted by: NHLSV8

didnt you say he had an M? he'll beat you unless he screws up. ESP without a tune.

Posted by: NHLSV8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LincLS

BOOOOOO to friday night street night! I run Test and tune now just because the track is sooooo much better prepped.

Posted by: glanga

I raced an automatic 330 with an 03 lsv8 and beat him from a stop and on the highway. He pulled in front about half a car from the stop but I was in front about 1 1/2-2 lengths by the end of the race and still pulling away.

Coat his tire tread in tire shine...you win.

Try and videotape it too whether you win or lose.

Posted by: NYC LS8

That's impressive.

Especially on 87 octane!

Posted by: Slavko3

NHLSV8....you seem to have missed several posts in this thread...i said numerous times... 2004 BMW 330CI M Package... the key word "package" that included a tightened suspension, attractive body kit, sport seats and steering wheel, 18-inch wheel and tire package.

The BMW M3 and M5 and M6 are the original M3 with minimum at least 333HP to 500HP for 2004.

Posted by: Slavko3

GLANGA- thanks so much for ur post.. looks like it will be pretty close although he has the 6 speed

Posted by: glanga

If it's a manual that's a different story the top end on the LS is a lot better than the 330 especially if it's an automatic and will eventually catch up. We also raced from a stop to 120, not just a 1/4 mile.

Posted by: 02LincLS

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHLSV8

BOOOOOO to friday night street night! I run Test and tune now just because the track is sooooo much better prepped.

is it better to get a bunch of guys together for a test and tune and split the cost? your basically renting the place right? How much is it? I can probably scrounge up 4-7 people including myself.

Posted by: glanga

If he has a 6 speed and you have a 1st gen LS I'd put my money on him. I had an 03 and barely beat an automatic 04 330 and that was only over 100mph. He said his car was starting to cut out at around 120 which is when we both let off.

Posted by: Slavko3

but dosent the CAI and intake tube and exhaust put the 1st gen right beside the sec gen?

Posted by: Slavko3

glanga - so u dont think u can beat him quater mile?

Posted by: pagluy

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LS8

That's impressive.

Especially on 87 octane!

Posted by: glanga

How am I owned? It really wasn't that impressive. You should try it sometime and I bet you'll get the same results. A second gen LS v8 will take an auto 02-04 330 no problem, that I would put money on. I had a KKM intake but I doubt that did anything but sound pretty and I doubt putting in 87 made me lose a ton of horsepower. And I know NYC was just poking fun.

But no Slavko, I don't think you'll win unless he screws up his shifts pretty bad.

Posted by: NYC LS8

It was a joke. No ownage needed.

Posted by: NHLSV8

wasnt the LS desgined to out pull the 540? I'm not sure how that stacks up to a 330, but of similar years the LS should be in the mix at the very least

Posted by: NHLSV8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slavko3

NHLSV8....you seem to have missed several posts in this thread...i said numerous times... 2004 BMW 330CI M Package... the key word "package" that included a tightened suspension, attractive body kit, sport seats and steering wheel, 18-inch wheel and tire package.

The BMW M3 and M5 and M6 are the original M3 with minimum at least 333HP to 500HP for 2004.

So sorry for not knowing what each F'ing model of BMW is or has.... I own a lincoln! And since you wanna be a prick.... I own two, and both will smoke you and your brother so bolt on this!

Could have just said that the M package wasnt the M3. Thats all you needed to say.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHLSV8

wasnt the LS desgined to out pull the 540? I'm not sure how that stacks up to a 330, but of similar years the LS should be in the mix at the very least

The V6 LS was designed to compete with the V6 5 series(530).

The 540 will dust a V8 LS.

Posted by: MMAFIGHTER121

a gen 2 LS would give the 540 a good run.. the v8 540 runs mid to low 14s at best i think..
only a few more ponies... but i'm pretty sure it hammers home some serious TQ numbers and might even be a few pounds lighter.. but not a dusting by any stretch

Posted by: Apathy25TX

How about when he's not looking, ya take a leak in his gas tank.

That's gotta count towards something. :P What octane would that make? *L*

Posted by: NYC LS8

Depends on if he had some Jack Daniels or Red Bull..............cause it gives you wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings

Posted by: KleenLS

i DUNNO IF THIS MAKES A DIFFERENCE....BUT i HAVE A 2005 ls v6....AND i BEAT MY FREINDS 2003 bmw 328......wELL, DOESNT SOUND THAT IMPRESSIVE NOW THAT I READ IT AGAIN, AND THINK ABOUT IT.....BUT ALL I HAVE IS A CAI AND HUGE HEAVY RIMS! I WAS STOKED! JUSS RACE HIM AND SEE WAT HAPPENS! GOODLUCK BRO!

Posted by: Garbone

If you figure about 10 hp for every 100 lbs, he's got you...you'd be giving up about 50 hp.

Posted by: pagluy

Quote:

Originally Posted by glanga

How am I owned? It really wasn't that impressive.

I'm not talking about the race part, I'm talking about the 87 octane part

Just bustin your balls after that gas thread.

Posted by: HyeLifeLS

There is no 330ci M package. There is a Sport package and they is a ZHP performance package.

The red one is a 330ci ZHP Performance Package car with 235hp and above listed upgrades.

The silver one is 330ci Sport Package car with 225ph.

So which one does he have?

Posted by: rickztahone

^^^
i would've thought these cars had more horse power. i'm sure other things considered they make up for lower hp w/ weight and such things. still, i'm surprised.

Posted by: Slavko3

Well, here is it - http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/04_330ci.htm

2004 BMW 330CI M Package, note on the 6 paragraph it states " a $5400 M Package"

As for NHLSV8 - I would like to take this opportunity to apoligize to my thread towards you, I should have just stated what you said, but we all have bad days, and want you to know it was not intentional.

But the link above confirms the M package

Posted by: Slavko3

as in my first post of the thread, it comes with 231 horses

Posted by: Slavko3

The red one almost looks identical

Posted by: NHLSV8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slavko3

As for NHLSV8 - I would like to take this opportunity to apoligize to my thread towards you, I should have just stated what you said, but we all have bad days, and want you to know it was not intentional.

Thanks... no hard feelings... I was having a rough week myself.

Posted by: MMAFIGHTER121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slavko3

Well, here is it - http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/04_330ci.htm

2004 BMW 330CI M Package, note on the 6 paragraph it states " a $5400 M Package"

As for NHLSV8 - I would like to take this opportunity to apoligize to my thread towards you, I should have just stated what you said, but we all have bad days, and want you to know it was not intentional.

But the link above confirms the M package

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh... canadians. in america it was the ZHP or whatever package europe and such called it the M-sport.
but enough of the nitpicking get to the track and smoke him!

Posted by: glanga

I still think with a stick, he will beat you. Not trying to be mean it's just my opinion. Good luck though, get some video of it.

Posted by: 00whitelsv8

Hi everyone i am new to the site but not new to 540i's or lincoln ls, i have owned a 2006 ls a 2001 and 2000, and a 98 540i sport with a few mild mods, and there is no way shape or possibal way any lincoln ls short of a supercharger and touch that car, i just got rid of the 540i and there not even close, the 540i is 10 times more powerfull, that car from 100 to 150 was fast, and 0- 100 puts you in the seat a very steady hard pull, very different then the ls, but dont get made at me i still own 2 ls's

Posted by: glanga

Quote:

Originally Posted by 00whitelsv8

Hi everyone i am new to the site but not new to 540i's or lincoln ls, i have owned a 2006 ls a 2001 and 2000, and a 98 540i sport with a few mild mods, and there is no way shape or possibal way any lincoln ls short of a supercharger and touch that car, i just got rid of the 540i and there not even close, the 540i is 10 times more powerfull, that car from 100 to 150 was fast, and 0- 100 puts you in the seat a very steady hard pull, very different then the ls, but dont get made at me i still own 2 ls's

We established that the LS can't beat a 540. It's meant to compete in class with it (haha) but if they raced the 540 would win.

This was about a 3 series against an LS... i still want to know the outcome if they ever raced

Posted by: JWerner2

Off topic.

Coming back from Virginia Beach last night I saw some crazy Nissan and a M3 racing. The Nissan looked way to exotic for something I have ever seen in person and was like WTF?! They past me doing at least 120 and when the M3 started to get the lead the damn Nissan pulled like a bat out of hell and just started gaining all over again. Then it dawned on me it had to be the new Skyline GTR.

While in the discussion of BMW's I just thought I would share.

Posted by: HyeLifeLS

That GTR is crazy.

Posted by: JWerner2

I did not like it at first when it was in the Magazines and stuff. I thought the body style is way to different from the older ones and once it got next to us it looked exactly like a Tiburon with a kit. But then it shifted lanes ad I saw the taillights and I thought of course it was a Infinity but thats when I saw the Nissan emblem and a few minutes later said to myself that has to be a new GTR.

Posted by: owlman

Yeah Slavko... WHO WON?

Posted by: 00whitelsv8

yes its very crazy what nissan as done with its performance. I am not really all that impressed with bmw's performance anymore great handling cars, but there are alot of very fast great handling cars out there for less money that really do give you more care for the money. I really do like my ls v8's mpg is not very good but oh well. I really wish lincoln would bring out a new version with improved handling and power

Posted by: G-RELL

Quote:

Originally Posted by owlman

Yeah Slavko... WHO WON?

something tells me he didn't win...too bad

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