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Posted by: Glorywagon

Mark VIII AIR RIDE

MY @SSBURN

http://www.suncoreindustries.com/lin...ersion-kit.htm

Posted by: mafioso

I dont get it, are you thinking about ordering them or do you have them installed?

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by mafioso

I dont get it, are you thinking about ordering them or do you have them installed?

Ordering them asap.

Posted by: mafioso

Gotcha, I personally kept the airride, jsut switched it over to whats known as a fast bag setup. Im using 6" air springs I custom made the cups (where the airbags bolt into) put 1/2" valves 1/2" airline 2 7 gallon air tanks, a compressor and a 7 switchbox. and now I can play with the height at anytime.

and my airsprings are $80 to replace new instead of a few hundred for the stock slow stuff.

Posted by: turborich

I really do not see what all the fuss is over the air ride. I find it very simple to work on & very reliable as well. It's like anything else, it will need to be repaired/replace at some point just like everything else on your car. I personally do not like the coil conversion. Even with the lowered coil kit the front end looks like it's sitting too high in the air. When you put luggage in the trunk or passengers in the back seat the rear end will sag.

I wish you good luck with the coil kit, let us know how it turns out.

Posted by: unity

I wonder how the install will go. You have not even attempted to fix your air-ride and diagnose it. You threw a computer at it, which you were TOLD would not fix it. Then you give up and will spend almost $400 when the system may be perfectly fine.

Posted by: Roadboss

I would also order from Eddie as he gives us alot of support.

http://www.americanairsuspension.com...ucts.php?cat=3

Posted by: mmtphoto

Quote:

Originally Posted by unity

I wonder how the install will go. You have not even attempted to fix your air-ride and diagnose it. You threw a computer at it, which you were TOLD would not fix it. Then you give up and will spend almost $400 when the system may be perfectly fine.

Aren't you glad this is YOUR car and YOU can decide what you are going to do to it so that YOU are happy...welcome to the Sermon on the...

face it, you have been told, the problem here is if you ask a question, formulate an opinion, or have an experience that differs from others here, you are TOLD about yourself.

Sorry, see it too often-just HELP, then if someone here decides to go another way, face the fact that there are other ways to 'skin a cat' and try NOT to be so condesending-a la FROGMAN, who, aside form getting 42,000 miles per gallon, also had a 6000 hp engine that ran on air only, + had to impose his ATTITUDE on others-geezze-now that vacancy has now been filled, gosh, we are so glad not another pompous somebody has applied for the position. Got my vote...congrats to you, postboy, all yours-

sorry to others for the rant, thousands of members, only a few feel entitled to abuse others if they make choices that deviate from edicts.

Dude, it's your car, go for it.

Posted by: unity

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Originally Posted by mmtphoto

Wow, you are quite the all-mighty! Lets see. Been TRYING to help but the poster does not check anything. Just throws a computer in without even knowing what's up! Thats like saying "my engine is making a weird sound." and then replacing it without even trying to diagnose and isolate the problem for repair.

If thats your method photo, go for it! I would think checking the system over for what might just be a sensor that fell off would be better than dropping $400.

Posted by: 93' Blue on blue

Hey Danny! Are there any members anywhere near you who could possibly help you diagnose and fix the air ride? Offer them a few bucks and you could be all set... That sounds like a good idea to me, before you go spending all that money. Seems a shame to junk the system if the bags are still good.

Posted by: Goddard-MarkVIII

Quote:

Originally Posted by mafioso

Gotcha, I personally kept the airride, jsut switched it over to whats known as a fast bag setup. Im using 6" air springs I custom made the cups (where the airbags bolt into) put 1/2" valves 1/2" airline 2 7 gallon air tanks, a compressor and a 7 switchbox. and now I can play with the height at anytime.

and my airsprings are $80 to replace new instead of a few hundred for the stock slow stuff.

Gonna sell a kit

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by unity

I don't call it perfect when the nose is on the ground and the ass is up in the air.

I would love to leave the air ride on it but I' just to stupid to fix it OK. And I can convert it over that I can do.
I took it to the Lincoln dealer had it checked because I didn't understand how to check it.
They said the susp. module was bad. So I REPLACED IT.

The old one I took off had been opened and sealed back up Good or Bad I don't know about.
The car was setting UP on all fours but not now.Does that mean I need another new module that the one I installed was bad??
I do not hear the pump running and not sure it was before.All I know that the car was setting up for 2 weeks and now its not. And the I am smart enough to fix if I convert it over.
I do NOT know how to check the pump
I don't know what a sensor is.
Do not know where the relay is at.
all I do know its all screwed up.

So thank you guys that have tried to help me and NOT CRITASIZE ME. and thats all I got to say on the matter. Danny

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by unity

No @sshole I didn't just trow a computer in it I had it checked at the Lincoln dealer and they said that was the problem.
Thank God I didn't let them sale me one $400.00. Danny

Posted by: Glorywagon

Yes I am looking at Eddys.

Posted by: Scorpio1118_2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadboss

I would also order from Eddie as he gives us alot of support.

http://www.americanairsuspension.com...ucts.php?cat=3

And not only that, for 10 more bucks you get new stuff not remanufactured stuff.

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadboss

I would also order from Eddie as he gives us alot of support.

http://www.americanairsuspension.com...ucts.php?cat=3

If I ordered the 1.5 lower do I also have to change the shocks?

Is it better to stay with standard?

Posted by: JMiles_T

You don't have to change the shocks (rears) unless they are worn out.

Posted by: unity

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glorywagon

No @sshole I didn't just trow a computer in it I had it checked at the Lincoln dealer and they said that was the problem.
Thank God I didn't let them sale me one $400.00. Danny

So you trusted the dealer over any advise for FREE that could be given here. Hence my point. No trouble shooting has been done. I dont care if you throw your money away, by all means go ahead. My point is there are things to look at that dealers dont because they go by the "book". You system is not working right. Odds are its the relay, dirty relay contacts or a sensor just popped off. You are not willing to do these VERY simple checks yet you are capable enough to install a coil kit which is not easier, by a long shot, then spending 15 minutes to go through a few checks.

Posted by: m_maker

The vent valve on the compressor is shot and causes the issues you're having. There is no iffs or buts about airride, it's a very simple system. Run a test and see if it clicks ... I bet it's dead silent.

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by m_maker

The vent valve on the compressor is shot and causes the issues you're having. There is no iffs or buts about airride, it's a very simple system. Run a test and see if it clicks ... I bet it's dead silent.

I bet it's dead silent.
yes it is dead silent. no click

Posted by: mespock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glorywagon

If I ordered the 1.5 lower do I also have to change the shocks?

Is it better to stay with standard?

First you can trust Untiy's advice and suggestions. One of LvC's best resources for the Mark VIII. He's only trying to help you out and save you money. Many of use have had the same problems of going to a deal only to get screwed and still have the problem or have to now pay more to fix another problem. People come to these forums for Free advice on what to do, how to do it right, and do it inexpensively as possible.

Remember this advice. Go with Eddie... Free good advice.

Now for the 1.5 or standard height. This will depend on your driving. The 1.5 will drop the car and you will scrap over bumpy roads or have troubles where there are speed bumps.

Oh and I have both sets so I do have some experience with this. I put 235 60 16 tires on my 94 to give it a little more ground clearance. I don't like wagon wheels so you won't catch me putting 20's on it. maybe 17's and 18's are as big a rim as I'd ever go. But that's more money to throw at the problem.

Oh and Frogman ... Great guy ... may be a bit rough at times but what he says you can take to the bank!

Posted by: XLRVIII

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Originally Posted by Glorywagon

Ford will check it and give you a print out around $40.00 and if they fix it they will sub. the $40.00 from your bill. or just pay them $40.00 and take it home and fix it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glorywagon

The car has been raised with the air ride switch not shut off. You will have to have air ride reset.

For someone that was quick to tell others how to diagnose and fix their air ride, you sure were quick to "toss in the towel".

And if you (*your words*) are "too stupid" to work on/diagnose air ride, then you REALLY REALLY dont want to dive into a headswap for that car.

Posted by: 96hotrodlincoln

Oh the frustrations of owning a Mark.

Glorywagon, if you were a little closer, I'd consider coming to help but 6 hours is a bit of a drive. Hell I even have all working parts from my 96 that I converted.

What I would say is that m_maker might be right, the vent solenoid might possibly be the problem.

This is how the systems works.

First of all, there are five solenoids total, a vent solenoid and 4 bag solenoids.

When you start the car, all the solenoids are closed, everything is sealed up. The suspension control module reads the height sensors and then begins to make the proper adjustments.

It starts by raising the front first, the compressor kicks on and about a second later, the front bag solenoids open and the bags start to fill until the height sensor reaches it's proper level and then the SCM closes the front bag solenoids and proceeds to open the rear bag solenoids to raise them to the proper level.

Then when you turn the car off and close the door, the SCM then vents the bags to the curb height. The SCM opens the vent solenoid and then the front bag solenoids first, then closes the front bag solenoids and opens the rear bag solenoids, then closes all the solenoids back off.

So, if the vent solenoid was stuck in the open position, when you start the car, the compressor would start running, but once it opened the bag solenoids, all the air would just vent out, the front would drop and the compressor would run for 90 seconds and then time out, throwing a check air ride message.

Posted by: XLRVIII

Glorywagon, now that I've verbally abused you.. I'll attempt to assist you.

IF your compressor is weak and or dying.. it will overload the Air Ride Module and the Relay.. usually it kills the relay FIRST, then the module.

Try this.. Find the air ride relay that is bolted to the mount for the compressor.
Then find the same part inside the drivers side fender well..{that is the abs relay}
Swap the ABS relay with the Air ride relay and see if the compressor will turn on.
HOPEFULLY you've just killed/weaked the relay...
A weak air ride relay WILL operate the abs system, the abs doesnt put nearly the load on the relay that the air ride does.

IF swapping the relay works.. DO NOT FEEL YOUR CAR IS FIXED!

that means you REALLY need to replace the compressor.. DO IT.. dont drive the car until you do!

Otherwise your going to smoke the new relay AND the Air Ride Module.. again.

I agree with 96hohtrodlinoln.. and I had this happen to my car as well.
the "vent soleniod" inside the compressor corroded and leaked.
When that happens the compressor CANNOT pump air into the bags....
Once this goes "unattended" for an extended period of time, the pump dies because it's been overworked for so long.

Sorry for verbally abusing you...(lol)
I honestly hope this helps.

you owe it to yourself.. as a new mark 8 owner to experience a fully functioning air ride.. and enjoy it..
THEN... if you want to covert to springs feel free to butcher the car.. as many have said before.. it's YOUR CAR to butcher.

Also, on a side note.. pay particular attention to cars running acrossed ebay.
most if not all of them have been converted.. then after the conversion the cars are "sold off".. for "some strange reason".... co-incedence? I think not.

Posted by: XLRVIII

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Originally Posted by 96hotrodlincoln

Oh the frustrations of owning a Mark.

ahh that is true!

but the Joys of driving a fully functioning properly operating Mark 8 drasticly overshadow those moments when frustration is high.

I got 400,000 Joyful miles out of my 95 {before it was stolen) and I spent probably 3-4 weeks out of 8 years in "frustration mode"

IMHO that is a fair trade off.

Posted by: XLRVIII

GloryWagon, here is a pic of the relay...one inside the passenger side fender well is for Air Ride
The same unit in the drivers side fender well is for ABS
SWAP those two relays with each other.

Posted by: Glorywagon

Thank all I took it to a local shop that I deal with all the time to look at it. Sorry for loosing my temper yesterday.
So here what I decided let Dave Check it over .If it cost over $400.00 to fix it it will be converted.Dave has been in bissness for 20 plus years and has everything to check it.

Now I will net be posting any more on this subject.Thank You ALL. Sorry unity but I did have it checked by Lincoln.
I'm gone

Posted by: XLRVIII

If your buddy has the Rotunda Star or Rotunda Star II tester it will run the air ride diagnostics...

Also, that relay I pictured above is going for 20.00 on ebay right now from a known and trusted seller {I have purchased many items from him)

Compressor is 150.00 ish dollars and may very well solve all the problems you are having, IMHO 150.00 compressor and a 20 dollar relay is much better than spending 400.00 on converting to springs.

No need to apologize for loosing your temper, I can guaratee that 99% of us here on this board have "been there, done that".

Please update this thread with what you find out..
for 1.. to solve the curiosity of those that "tried to help you.

2, your experience could very well help solve a future users frustration by helping them solve "their issue".

hang in there bro, it aint all that bad.

DONT JUMP!
(lol)

Posted by: XLRVIII

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Originally Posted by Glorywagon

. Sorry unity but I did have it checked by Lincoln.

Just for conversations sake... the folks here on this board have more experience with these cars than the techs at "Lincoln".

We deal with them "everyday.. all day"..whereas some of the "lincoln techs" probably got their jobs long after the mark 8 had come.. and gone.

I dont trust a Lincoln Dealership to do anything other than "sell a new car".

I danged sure wouldn't trust them to "properly diagnose" a 10+ year old car.

Trust your friends here on LVC, JUST SAY NO TO STEALERSHIPS!

Posted by: mespock

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLRVIII

Exactly... I've been lucky all three of my Mark VIII have been great runners. My 95 was purchased with 18,000 miles, my 94 with 128,000 miles and my 93 with 159,000. No major problems just typical wear and tear except for the Deer Damage that Scott9050 and 94m5 took car of for me on my 94, and the TC on my 95. The Mark VIII is a great car..

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Originally Posted by XLRVIII

Again well said... I've took my Mark VIII to a dealer once and the tech was like oh one of those.. get something newer. Then again he was only about 24 years old maybe..

Posted by: chickenviii

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Originally Posted by XLRVIII

even i agree with this (9 year ford tech) in my area markviii's were never really popular, so they are few and far between, i only see one every few months (if that) they are a very particular car, and if you dont know all the tricks then you can and will miss something. give me a taurus and i can find every little thing wrong with it, ask midwestbird (my parts guy) he says i have a taurus up sell stamp, then i tell him/cust/service writer/whoever, "if you dont believe me i can show you every failed component"

Posted by: Glorywagon

O k here what Dave found at the shop. The susp. module tha Jamie sent me was bad. Thats why the car would not air up. He installed the old susp. module and the car aired up.
The compressor is working but is not venting.
So the compressor need replacing he said.

Posted by: XLRVIII

Compressor is an easy job, normal handtools and about a half an hour will get you up and running.

if I remember correctly you only need an 8MM socket and a screwdriver to do the job.

I wouldn't pay more than 1 hour labor for someone else to do a job that I can do in 30 minutes.
Paying 1 hour labor is worth not having to perform 30 minutes of labor yourself..IMHO.

So if your mechanic can install the compressor for 1 hour labor or less..then I'd just "GO FOR IT".

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLRVIII

Compressor is an easy job, normal handtools and about a half an hour will get you up and running.

if I remember correctly you only need an 8MM socket and a screwdriver to do the job.

I wouldn't pay more than 1 hour labor for someone else to do a job that I can do in 30 minutes.
Paying 1 hour labor is worth not having to perform 30 minutes of labor yourself..IMHO.

So if your mechanic can install the compressor for 1 hour labor or less..then I'd just "GO FOR IT".

I have the car home not fixed yet. Here is what we know now .
All sensors are good and getting fire. The Susp module that I installed was bad thats why it dropped to the ground. Installed the old Susp. module and it aired right up.So that put me back to ground zero.
We are getting fire to the sensor that works the vent. But the vent is not working. Cost today $90.00 so total $180.00 still not bad I can at least drive the car again.
Now1- I just need to install new compressor or 2- Convert it over. Leaning to new Compressor 3-Maybe just drive this way.

Posted by: mafioso

I might have my comp Im willing to send you.

As far as kits, I dont have anything planed to produce the brackets because of cost of metal, it would make the cups rediculously(sp) expensive but if someone wants a set they would be in the $600 range. and I'd need a set of lower C arms, preferably not from ebay. and thats just for the front.
the rear cups you can buy off shelve generic for S-10 front cups and make them work easy.

Fast bags are not for the novice fabricator on this car. honestly it was a B!TCH to get the 14" front cups correct. and be able to run a shock.
The rear was cakewalk I did the rear in 2 hours including plumping the valves and wiring them up.

I can offer you guideness for free if anyone is interested in the conversion.

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLRVIII

Was looking at repair manual and it says I need to remove the front bumper cover. The shop says its a 3 hour job to replace the compressor or you know a trick to it. Danny

Posted by: Glorywagon

Decision made I ordered conversion kit from Eddie at American air susp.
Reason I drive a lot on gravel roads a lot.and the conversion kit has life time warranty. And my son in law will fix it for me

Thank You all. Danny
Edit/Delete Message

Wife had a lot to say about it also.

Posted by: mafioso

Good luck with your conversion.

Posted by: ford nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glorywagon

Decision made I ordered conversion kit from Eddie at American air susp.
Reason I drive a lot on gravel roads a lot.and the conversion kit has life time warranty. And my son in law will fix it for me

Thank You all. Danny
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Wife had a lot to say about it also.

Hats off Danny you did your best to fix it......call Jamie I am sure he will do something about the bad module he is a stand up guy.

These dam cars can be a pain.

Coils are ok I have them in my 93.... I have no air ride problems EVER.

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by ford nut

You know sometime things just wear out in a 13 year old car expecly if there rubber. I wasn't trying to restore it just make it drivable . After all it was an old $1300.00 dollar car. (now $1800.00) Its kinda like me old and taird. thanks all Danny

Posted by: XLRVIII

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glorywagon

Was looking at repair manual and it says I need to remove the front bumper cover. The shop says its a 3 hour job to replace the compressor or you know a trick to it. Danny

For future reference.. the bumper cover does not need to come off.
That is how Stealerships STEAL EXTRA MONEY from you.

It's a 30 minute job, you take the passenger front tire off.

Drop the inner splash sheild 5-6 screws.. and wala.. the pump is right there.
Unbolt 4 8mm bolts and one electrical plug, disconnect the 4 air lines.. and bam the compressor is in your hand.

I've done compressor jobs on the side of the road, at the dragstrip and at the shopping mall.. it's roughly as hard as "changing a tire".

Sorry to hear you've tossed in the towel on such a minor EASY job.
Be forwarned that there are OTHER mechanical GREMLINS with these cars that ARE NOT as easy to fix as the Air ride.

Short list
second gen blend door
first OR second gen heater core
and... the one that most people really hate.. FUEL PUMP.

your car could be fixed for as little as 150.00.. but feel free to spend 3 times that much, so long as it gives YOU a warm fuzzy feeling.

IMHO I wouldn't spend 400.00 + labor for install.. to circumvent an EASY job like replacing the compressor.

Hell... my 100LB girlfriend removes, and rebuilds (from junk parts) the compressors and never breaks a fingernail.

Posted by: XLRVIII

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glorywagon

You know sometime things just wear out in a 13 year old

no.. most of the time ALOT of things wear out, that's "just the way it is".

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLRVIII

We have put heater cores in my 88 TC .Not no big deal on fuel Pump .
I didn't go with the air ride because it was hard or easy to change the compressor.I'm gonna travel a little in this car and I don't want to be setting beside the road with this problem. The ride would have been nice but hell I drove a ruff riding semi truck for 40 plus years so it can't be that bad. So why should I have to wonder if it gonna brake down.
Sorry I didn't do it your way but after all it is my car right.And I do thank you for all your HELP.I'm only sorry that I didn't do this first I would have been $180.00 ahead.
Take Care Friend Danny

Posted by: XLRVIII

Danny, I agree it's your car.. and you can do what you will with it.

I was only hoping to steer you in the "correct" direction, which might not always be the "cheapest or easiest" direction.

on my 95 mark 8 I got 200K out of the original air ride and 200K out of the replacement bags I put in the car.
Never, not on a single occasion in 400K miles did my car "strand me" with an air ride problem.

reason being, I didn't "ignore" trouble signs and promptly corrected issues as they arose, rather than "waiting/procrastining" until the system simply self destructs due to neglect.

I feel your air ride wasn't "self desctructing" it just "needed some attention".

If you think putting coil springs on the car will be an "forever solution" your mistaken.
Be it Tbird coil springs or Air ride.. you are going to have to replace them at sometime.. I consider my 200K a "end of life" for either system.

thinking about the springs.. usually they are merley Tbird parts.
I wonder if the "lowered coil sping conversions" aren't simply v-6 Tbird springs.

Mark 8's are signifinaly heavier than Tbirds in most cases...

Would "I" want springs from a lighter car in my car? absolutley not.
and.. just because "the parts fit the holes" doesnt mean they are correct.

again, this is my opinion based on nearly a half a million Mark 8 miles.

Posted by: mafioso

My unfamilarities with this factory air ride was the main reason why I scrapped it in favor of fast bags.

Posted by: Glorywagon

Yes and you and Your mark has been blessed. Then the next guy will tell ya they have had lots luck with springs.
I did go with my mechanic he said if I was gonna keep the car Convert it over .Not that he knows everything but I do trust him.
My soninlaw said it will only cost me a six pack or two to install it.
And final but NOT LAST THE WIFE SAID JUST BUY THE DAM SPRINGS.

I'm happy she's happy and if it was right or wrong its done. and thank you again. Danny And thats all I got to say on this post.

Posted by: Glorywagon

Thank you all for buying my parts. My IRS check $600.00

Posted by: 96hotrodlincoln

Alright guys

We've been through this time and time again, some guys just don't want the worry of having the air ride go out. Those systems can be pretty unpredictable at times, especially if you're not all that familiar with them. Not to mention that when they break, it is somewhat expensive to repair.

I have a 96 on 1.5" lowered coils and a 97 on air, I like the handling of the coils on the 96, gives it a little bit more of a sports car feel. I also, like the smoothness of the ride on the 97 with the air, not to mention the "Ray Switch" so I can slam it.

What it comes down to is a matter of comfort. The comfort of knowing that you don't have to worry about the air ride just suddenly going out. I worry about the 97 all the time, just wondering when it's going to start causing me problems and if I'll have the extra money laying around to fix it quickly. It is my daily driver after all. Once I have the 96 fixed back up, I won't worry so much cause I'll have another car to fall back on, but until then, I will continue to hope that it works error free.

It's a tough decision to make, air or springs, but then again it was Glory's decision, quit giving him such a hard time over it.

If you like air, then keep it, but keep it to yourself, we get tired of hearing the arguments back and forth about it.

Posted by: poniesviii

I think that car'll be sold by years end, with or without coils.

Posted by: Glorywagon

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Originally Posted by poniesviii

I think that car'll be sold by years end, with or without coils.

(Bets on) I don't sale cars I just drag them out in the field and let them rust away.I have 4 Lincolns inthe field 2 under the carport and one in the drive way.
plus I have a 1970 deville under the tarp.2 -1985 300zx's one turbo and one non turbo.in the shop here.

81 Mark VI I'm restoring 2 door coupe.98,000 miles
88 TC 120,000 miles driver
95 Mark VIII 124,000 miles my wife drives
96 jeep beater car

I don't sale cars When I get done with them I crush them.This is the end of the line for my cars.And I will fix the car .You can ask Eddy the conversion kit will be here on the 20 th.

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by poniesviii

I think that car'll be sold by years end, with or without coils.

Belongs to me if I want to sale it I will.

Posted by: poniesviii

Oh. Do they all have minor problems?

Posted by: Glorywagon

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Originally Posted by poniesviii

Oh. Do they all have minor problems?

HAVE A GOOD DAY FRIEND.

CHECKING OVER YOUR POSTING IT SOUND LIKE YOUR THE ONE WITH A PROBLEM.

YOU HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE IGNORE LIST.

Posted by: NYC LS8

Coil conversion is a piece of cake. Did it on my old 95 that I gave to my old man. got tired of him calling me in the dead of winter that the car was slammed to the ground and wouldn't come up because the drier was frozen. Nothing would ruin my day moe than having to work outside in cold weather to swap in an unfrozen drier!!

Posted by: Glorywagon

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LS8

Coil conversion is a piece of cake. Did it on my old 95 that I gave to my old man. got tired of him calling me in the dead of winter that the car was slammed to the ground and wouldn't come up because the drier was frozen. Nothing would ruin my day moe than having to work outside in cold weather to swap in an unfrozen drier!!

Hey that 2003 LS V8 Premium Sport is one sharp car.

I'm sure he will not have any problem installing it.
My son in law is good at working on them and he can use the money

. He put a heater core in my 88 TC in about 6 hours (his first one). And he would have fixed the air ride to if I would have ask him .I just don't want the worry of it on a trip. Hey thanks maybe in five years I'll be able to buy me a 2003 LS V8 Premium Sport.(Sharp). Danny
I thank its about time to let this post die out. It seems to have caused hard feeling with a few. Take care

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