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My New Car

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Posted by: Morbid Intentions

just picked her up 2 days ago.... the snow is making a mess of her fast so mind the dust, but spring is just around the corner

I nailed it from a 40 roll today (automatic transmission: IRS makes for a sloppy launch with a clutch and detroit traffic) and the rear came out sideways and she was at 60 before I had a chance to straighten her out all the way lol

all in all a good car, if my old 2002 WS6 trans am and my 2004 mustang GT had a spoiled love child, this would be it... all the pluses of both cars and none of the drawbacks

I'll be getting you guys video's soon

and to that children that think their continental's and bravada are NASA space shuttles with NAWWWWWS!!

[/smartass humorous sarcasm]

Posted by: The Hotness

Nice! Spice Red Metallic. 05?

They get up! Ex has an 04 Yellow, we had fun with that car. They tend to fall flat at over 110.

One word for you sir... Magnacharger!

Posted by: Eric0508

I have always liked these, despite all the flak they received for being "dull" looking.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by The Hotness

Nice! Spice Red Metallic. 05?

They get up! Ex has an 04 Yellow, we had fun with that car. They tend to fall flat at over 110.

One word for you sir... Magnacharger!

nope, I picked up an 06... and while the mangacharger is nice I will be going the HCI route with a hearty shot of gas on top of it

most cam only, bolt on LS2 A4 goats are hitting around 420 RWHP

so with a safe 100 shot on top of that I will be looking at around 500 to the wheels

not too bad IMO, at this point I want to daily drive it a while so just a few basic bolt on's here and there (LT's, catback, dyno tune, ported TB and intake, DR's, drag bags etc etc) I will be hoping for around 360RWHP and breaking WELL into the 12's and running 110+ traps with the said bolt on's (LT's alone are good for 20-30RWHP on an LSX motor so the RWHP goal shouldn't be too hard)

and the LSX motors shouldn't fall flat at 110MPH, by all means that should be where they excell lol

top end monsters these motors are... and people don't realize all 400 lbs of tq are available at around 4,000 RPMS... so it's a contender off the line as well... just make sure that IRS has a set of DR's and some bags invested into it and you are good :-)

Posted by: eastcoastLS

Correct me if I am wrong, don't these come in a 6.0 and a 6.7 L? Which one do you have?

Posted by: The Hotness

You have done your homework good sir! Proud GTO owner you are!

But really they do fall flat.. it's kinda sad really. I have a friend that's building for 200+ mph and he's aerodynamically challenged.

Being your an A4, the stop light to stop light your going to kill! You should get some decent 60' times. 360rwhp is easily obtainable, but I have fingers crossed for your 12's... Low 13's guaranteed depending on your drag experience.

Took my 360whp srt4 to the track, (my first time ever to a track) and my best run was a 13.7.. poop. Should have easily hit low-mid 12's.. But I was easily f-ing with Kenne Bell Cobras and my first run was against an 06' Goat. I would pull on him hard then miss a shift, pull on him hard again, miss a shift, we were like .2 off for that run.. lol Fun day. He ended the day with a 13.7 too, and was completely stock..

Have fun with that thing, and be careful! Those things are dangerous in an auto format. One downshift at the wrong time your side ways! Also Traction control likes to take over when panic stopping at 120+ and causes you to bounce back and forth (dancing), and freaks me out. Duck traction control!

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by eastcoastLS

Correct me if I am wrong, don't these come in a 6.0 and a 6.7 L? Which one do you have?

the 04's has an LS1 5.7L OHV motor

the 05's and 06's were only offered in the LS2 trim.... 6.0L OHV motor

I have the 2006, last year they were offered

heres my engine, for future reference you can tell by looking at the throttle body what engine it is "LS2" is the 6.0L, "LS1" is the 5.7L

my engine is the same engine they put into the 05-07 base model corvettes

Posted by: The Hotness

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Originally Posted by eastcoastLS

Correct me if I am wrong, don't these come in a 6.0 and a 6.7 L? Which one do you have?

6.0L LS2 Rated 400hp/400tq flywheel. Publication posted quarter times are low 14's in stock form.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by The Hotness

You have done your homework good sir! Proud GTO owner you are!

But really they do fall flat.. it's kinda sad really. I have a friend that's building for 200+ mph and he's aerodynamically challenged.

I am coming over from SOHC/DOHC designs... and you know as well as I know the CFM rate on ANY OHC engine is not going to be even close to an LSX heavy hitter, so fall flat compared to what? a corvette? for sure

fall flat compared to a 2007 mustang GT? lol not so much

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by The Hotness

6.0L LS2 Rated 400hp/400tq flywheel. Publication posted quarter times are low 14's in stock form.

the LS2 GTO will do the quarter mile in low 13's stock form while trapping around 106-107MPH

there has been stock runs dipping 12's just like the CTS-V but I know for a fact I won't be that fortunate... I am estimating mid 13's at around 105MPH in stock form

I have extensive experience with the strip and am confident this car can run that

Posted by: The Hotness

[quote=Morbid Intentions;365459][quote=The Hotness;365451]You have done your homework good sir! Proud GTO owner you are!

But really they do fall flat.. it's kinda sad really. I have a friend that's building for 200+ mph and he's aerodynamically challenged.

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Fall flat compared to everything. Almost got my ass handed to me by a GXP once. Embarrasing!! I think aerodynamically they are very challenged and just don't quite have the power, but for a typical street car they are very fast at all speeds no doubt. But a heads up race against a performance enthusiast your going to have some issues on the freeway runs. Heck you may not even notice it's lacking up top...

I did run a Chevy SSR in the Lincoln the other day, and it was good. Ran to 120 he did creep away from me as expected, but it was very slow... +1 Lincoln! (SSR has LS2, and also very poor aero) Hence why my peasy little Lincoln could give it a run..

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by The Hotness

You have done your homework good sir! Proud GTO owner you are!

But really they do fall flat.. it's kinda sad really. I have a friend that's building for 200+ mph and he's aerodynamically challenged.

Fall flat compared to everything. Almost got my ass handed to me by a GXP once. Embarrasing!! I think aerodynamically they are very challenged and just don't quite have the power, but for a typical street car they are very fast at all speeds no doubt. But a heads up race against a performance enthusiast your going to have some issues on the freeway runs. Heck you may not even notice it's lacking up top...

I did run a Chevy SSR in the Lincoln the other day, and it was good. Ran to 120 he did creep away from me as expected, but it was very slow... +1 Lincoln! (SSR has LS2, and also very poor aero) Hence why my peasy little Lincoln could give it a run..

if you almost lost to a GXP you need to remap your engine and make sure your cylinders are all firing

I beat a GXP at a light by two cars last summer.... I was expecting more out of it considering I ran him in my 2005 V8 lincoln LS

oh, nevermind... you have an LS1, you are comparing apples and oranges, the LS2 goat will stretch it's legs to 150MPH quite easily and run WAY better than low 14's

Posted by: The Hotness

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Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

My apologies, I retract my statement! I reverified and I am incorrect on the published times.

Have good luck at the track and keep us posted, or me. lol Are you on the GTO forums yet? ls1gto.com baby!

Posted by: The Hotness

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Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

if you almost lost to a GXP you need to remap your engine and make sure your cylinders are all firing

I beat a GXP at a light by two cars last summer.... I was expecting more out of it considering I ran him in my 2005 lincoln LS

oh, nevermind... you have an LS1, you are comparing apples and oranges, the LS2 goat will stretch it's legs to 150MPH quite easily and run WAY better than low 14's

I am very proud of the lincoln and can't wait for some dyno numbers soon. Beating GXP is easy from a dig, but the freeway.... LS2 doesn't pack that much of a bigger punch and the torque management features eat a shi* ton of power.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by The Hotness

LS2 doesn't pack that much of a bigger punch

not trying to nitpick but it is ALOT bigger package... I mean, why do you think the C5 vettes have LS1's and do low-mid 13's with the possibility of dipping 12's with a perfect driver and the C6 vettes have the LS2's and can pull mid 12's with ease and can pull low 12's with a perfect driver

1/2 a second is a HUGE gap on the strip.... also, LS1 M6's can push 290-300RWHP, LS2 M6's push around 340-350RWHP... and it may not sound like it, but 50 horses at the wheels is alot too

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and the torque management features eat a shi* ton of power.

Posted by: TDUB

I think that will be my next car. I've seen some pretty sweet twin turbo kits for the LS2

Posted by: Sal329

COngrads on the purchase that is a sweet car. Good luck tryin to beat a GXP...

Posted by: rickztahone

beautiful car. i always wanted to get one of these in the future. probably not the near future, since all my money tends to go to fixing the LS, lol. once again, nice purchase

Posted by: Fla02LS

Do you really like the GTO better than the '02 WS6? Being a former owner of two T/A's i dont see it. The power is slightly higher, but to me the GTO looks too much like a Cavalier. The T/A looked aggressive as hell especially with the WS6 nostrils. I think dollar for dollar you can make a T/A outrun a GTO.

Posted by: Tricky-Dick

Congrats on the "Goat"! I have a friend in Dallas who bought an '06 new GMS Plan with a 6 Speed and loves it. Weekend Car and has around 5,000 Miles on it. I've rode in it once and that thing has alot of torque!

Posted by: my04lincoln

Nice car man!!

Posted by: chriswells78

Good luck with it. A guy in my local club has had

-tons of problems with his 04. Hopefully they got them worked out by 06.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by Fla02LS

Do you really like the GTO better than the '02 WS6? Being a former owner of two T/A's i dont see it. The power is slightly higher, but to me the GTO looks too much like a Cavalier. The T/A looked aggressive as hell especially with the WS6 nostrils. I think dollar for dollar you can make a T/A outrun a GTO.

it's not all about speed with me, it's about the whole package

drivability, luxury, being comfortable and being "decently quick"

not out to be the fastest, but I want a nice jolt

to answer your question the ride quality is SOOO much better, and compared to the WS6's solid rear axle, the goats IRS takes corners 200% better, the seats are WAAY more comfortable, and I don't have that annoying carpet monster hump attacking my passengers

and the back seats have more room than the LS.... whilst the WS6's back seats have less room than a 911 carrera lol

if I cared about all out speed and nothing else I would get a supercharged atom... but that's not the case, for what I look for in a car the Goat is 1,000 times better for me than the WS6, one thing I will miss about the WS6 was the ragtop and the monsoon system

I'm not disagreeing with you that if you put the same amount of money into a WS6 they wouldn't run right next to each other at the strip, straight axle + killer areo + less weight = better car for the strip

but I care about other things more than speed you know... everyones different, maybe it's because when I was a teen speed got me into trouble with a yellow mustang :-)

Posted by: ground_zero298

Looks good, you got the exhaust done yet? any sound clips?

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by ground_zero298

Looks good, you got the exhaust done yet? any sound clips?

just a CAI on there ATM

I will get a sound clip soon.. seems like everyone on the other forums are asking me for one too lol

Posted by: ground_zero298

It's all about the sounds. The only thing better than the sound of 400 horses is 400 pissed off horses. You should swing by diamonds shop.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by ground_zero298

It's all about the sounds. The only thing better than the sound of 400 horses is 400 pissed off horses. You should swing by diamonds shop.

see I want to do the pacesetting/spintech combo and swap to an H pipe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vj0r7mX-PI

^^^ but that's all in good time, stock sounds beastly enough ATM

Posted by: mespock

I was hoping they were going to make the 2008 GTO. It looked like there were trying to make it a little better looking than a G6

Posted by: 93' Blue on blue

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Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

iand I don't have that annoying carpet monster hump attacking my passengers

I thought i was trippin' when i looked in a WS6 and saw that hump! Lol. What the heck is that about? And ya, the back seats in them are tiny! I was amazed that the interiors were so small, given the fact that the F body is a pretty big car. Where did the space go? Lol. Still, wouldn't mind one someday...

Posted by: Fla02LS

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Originally Posted by 93' Blue on blue

The "hump" has existed in the f-body for many years, my old '91 had it as well as my '95. If i'm not mistaken it had to do with the routing of the exhaust. The f-body is a fairly large sports car but i dont think the back has ever been meant for humans.

Posted by: ILLS

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Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

Use this... It will work better than that Ford Strategy Flasher you pictured.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by ILLS

Use this... It will work better than that Ford Strategy Flasher you pictured.

lol I just googled SCT tuner

Posted by: Fla02LS

I keep reading in this post about a GXP, isnt "GXP" just a tag for the sport version of various Pontiacs...Bonny, Grand Prix, etc? With that in mind i have heard most of the GXP versions of these cars are dogs, the 4 spd auto tranny just doesnt deliver. Sure they have a V8 but they are also FWD and i dont think they are in the same league as the GTO. I'd like the GTO alot more if it didnt look like a Cavalier on 'roids.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

the grand prix GXP is a 303 BHP FWD family sedan with less aerodynamic capability than a GTO... I'm sure the person who said he barely beat one in a GTO was firing on 6 pits

and to run out of steam at 110MPH I guess he has that custom 30 foot masonary wall as a front bumper mod

Posted by: ILLS

Yep, the LS1 and especially the LS2 cars pull real hard at highway speeds. They are very well known for that.

Posted by: The Hotness

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Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

the grand prix GXP is a 303 BHP FWD family sedan with less aerodynamic capability than a GTO... I'm sure the person who said he barely beat one in a GTO was firing on 6 pits

and to run out of steam at 110MPH I guess he has that custom 30 foot masonary wall as a front bumper mod

No really they do suck ass. My Dodge Neon SRT4 was capable of over 200mph in factory aerodynamics form and it's a neon with a body kit. Gto is unable to do that... unless obviously you have an extreme amount of horsepower.

I guess if your claiming that they have 303bhp, then it would have been a good match wouldn't it?? Especially for your LS2...

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by The Hotness

look, hate to break it to you, you know nothing about this subject

and have obviously never driven an LSX powered car to it's full potential, and drive your neon 200MPH, make sure to get a video.... oh, you can't, my bad, this arguement sound like it's coming from the lips of a ricer...

"my cars tires are capable of 3,000MPH!!! that mean it's the fastest!"

lol, give me a break

then take a stock SRT4 neon and a stock GTO and run them from a 40MPH roll to 150MPH and see which one gets there first... I would put 100 bucks down that even an LS1 powered goat would get there first

SRT4's are for teenagers that want to brag about how little money they put into a car that can't run from a dead stop for lack of traction (IE: poor)

you know how many clueless kids with turbocharged 2.4's I see that think they are the fastest thing in the world? you aren't the first one I've encountered

and to answer your question.... no, a grand prix GXP is not a good match for any trim GTO... and your arguement makes no sense at all regarding the fact because both cars are shaped EXACTLY the same way, only difference? both trim GTO's have more BHP and weigh less

so your arguement is a big fail

Posted by: The Hotness

Yeah, I am sure after owning both and being a physicist and mathmatician I would totally have no clue what so ever..

But, I don't need to validate myself to you or anyone for that matter. It's the forums, whatever. Or that and I have a friend whom is building his car for Bonneville and whom requested that I calculate the amount of hp required to get is car over the 200 mark. (Guess what he can't do it without modifying the stock aero dynamics) Has to remove rear wing, mirrors, and add a splitter. Srt's already have done over 200 in stock form... simple search yielded...
http://www.houston-imports.com/forum.../t-322595.html

Too bad you don't live close otherwise I know somebody that woud take that money of yours. Well he has intake/exhaust, but that shouldn't scare you. Best time of his is 12.8@107...

Btw: Me thinking about the LS1 getting to 150, yawn.. Bored already thinking about the time it would take to get there..

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by The Hotness

Too bad you don't live close otherwise I know somebody that woud take that money of yours. Well he has intake/exhaust, but that shouldn't scare you. Best time of his is 12.8@107...

Btw: Me thinking about the LS1 getting to 150, yawn.. Bored already thinking about the time it would take to get there..

wow, you are really clueless aren't you?

lol you're cute kid... intake and exhaust SRT4 dipping 12's is a nice touch on the BS meter

honestly, do SRT4's actually pick teenagers who think they know everything or is it like a laws of attraction thing?

Posted by: The Hotness

Lol, cheapest horsepower per dollar. Picked mine up for 11.4k and full stage 3at that. All said and done I was running 370whp at 2800lbs. Don't need to be a kid or genius to see that benefit. I am just about done with this ignorant pissing match.

My buddies car: http://youtube.com/watch?v=N5VRRHG-r90

Posted by: The Hotness

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Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

the grand prix GXP is a 303 BHP FWD family sedan...

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Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

also, LS1 M6's can push 290-300RWHP, LS2 M6's push around 340-350RWHP...

3600 lbs - Gxp curb weight -> 11.88lbs/hp
3725 lbs - Gto curb weight -> 12.41lbs/hp (ls1) and 10.64lbs/hp (ls2)

Deltas: -0.53 lbs/hp (ls1) and 1.24 lbs/hp (ls2); negative number is disadvantage, positive is advantage.

So, Gxp wouldn't be a good run for the ls2, but for the ls1 it's not...

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

wow, you sure do alot of talking for someone resorting to magizine racing and falling back on someone elses car like a ricer

fact of the matter is you have proven you know nothing about automotive knowlege lol, and LS1 OR and LS2 GTO will wipe the floor with a grand prix GXP.... an LS1 GTO is a drivers race with an SRT4 all the way up to whatever MPH you want, and the LS2 GTO will wipe the floor with a skittle

don't like it? tough

you stated GTO's fall flat at 110MPH compared to every car on the road.... but the fact of the matter is, the stock top end of an LS2 GTO shames the stock SRT4 top end, and the top end of an LS1 GTO would probably even shame the SRT4 by a nudge and there is no ricerish excuses you can grasp at to change that... you can say all you want... with your automotive knowlege and what you are saying it is apparent to me you are not what you say, and have never owned a GTO or driven one for that matter... you're jusrt a neon fanboy that needs some more brains

and yeah, you can magazine race all day, the stock trap speeds of all cars mentioned that I have seen every summer multiple times are what wins this debate

P.S. an intake/exhaust SRT4 is not breaking 12's and trapping 107MPh tough guy, that was a nice lie though... your "buddy" might be running larger injectors and pushing the stock snail with all the breather mods added on with a set of sticky tires and barely break 12's sure.... but intake/exhaust SRT4?, you would be lucky to grab a 13.9 on stock rubber

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by The Hotness

again with your lack of automotive knowlege.... it amazes me

go back to car basics 101 and look at what "BHP" and what "WHP" is... I think it's kind of funny you are comparing the two

a stock LS1 GTO can put the same amount of power to it's wheels that the GXP can make at the crank.... and LS2 GTO can make about 50 more to the wheels than the GXP makes at the crank... can you follow or is that too complex?

but congrats on showing your uber math skills on something that can't even be compared.... all math aside, a caveman could figure out which car is faster... and it's ammusing you think otherwise

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

PS: heres my car falling flat at 110MPH....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFDEZXaSscc

let's see a stock SRT4 0-150 maybe one could show me how it's done since they are sooo fast out of the box lol

see, you talk the talk, I walk the walk... and just manhandled your theory, anything else?

Posted by: ground_zero298

Did you blow down jefferson or 94? Thats meesed up,I can't drive around doing the speed limit with out getting pulled over and you just run around at 150? Nice hit on second. That car pulls pretty dam good, still needs exhaust.

Posted by: eastcoastLS

I think a good match would be a 2001 Firehawk LS1 vs your 2006 GTO LS1.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

So does this mean there will be no more LS vs Continental show down?

Now its a GTO vs Neon showdown, hehe.

Nice car Morbid. I almost bought that same car in 06 but passed on it since the wife an I decided on having another baby. Now Im married to 4 doors.

Posted by: ILLS

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Originally Posted by 02V8Sport

but passed on it since the wife an I decided on having another baby. Now Im married to 4 doors.

Convince the wife that her vehicle is the "family car" and then you can go out and buy a Corvette if you want. That is what I have done. Of course we also have 4 cars too which helps.

Posted by: HyeLifeLS

Very nice car man, I drove one before 6.0 manual and it was freaking fast and sounded great too. Overall a great car, especially for that price.

My friend is about to buy a new G8 GT.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

[quote=HyeLifeLS;366104]My friend is about to buy a new G8 GT.[/QUOTE

I may get one in 2009 as well. Ive had my eye on it for a while.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

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Originally Posted by ILLS

Convince the wife that her vehicle is the "family car" and then you can go out and buy a Corvette if you want. That is what I have done. Of course we also have 4 cars too which helps.

I tried to pull off the G35 coupe with its almost non-existant back seat, she didnt go for it, hehe. I do need a 4 door for my kids, I do a lot of drop offs and pick ups.

Posted by: ILLS

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Originally Posted by 02V8Sport

I tried to pull off the G35 coupe with its almost non-existant back seat, she didnt go for it, hehe. I do need a 4 door for my kids, I do a lot of drop offs and pick ups.

We have one boy right now. I told her that if I need to drop him off at school he will fit just fine in the front passenger seat of a Corvette. No need for 4 doors unless we have 3 kids.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

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Originally Posted by ground_zero298

Did you blow down jefferson or 94? Thats meesed up,I can't drive around doing the speed limit with out getting pulled over and you just run around at 150? Nice hit on second. That car pulls pretty dam good, still needs exhaust.

oh hell no, I would have got pulled over for sure if I ran around there

no, I went down to around 32-33 mile down a barren 2 lane road out in the sticks at 2AM

it's just a straight shot for about 10 miles

Posted by: The Hotness

You are insane.. Those things take forever to get to 150, but it is faster than the ls1, I will give you that. The ole ls1 almost killed me once, because I switched cars with the girlfriend to pick up my mother. Found myself running inbetween a semi and a guy merging. I went to punch it and it took forever and a day to get around the semi truck. I was going only 105, where in the srt I would have been easily been into the 130's and 140's. Everything is slow, after you drive something that is fast... Obviously.

I don't have any 150 runs laying around, but I shoud dig up the 20-100 video of the srt4 on his phone...

The only thing you can do is slander me, and you come up with few facts.

Typical of people that aren't fully comprehending a situation. I see it everyday, stupid people get pissed because they can't/don't understand what is happening. So, they lash out to those that cause it. Sad, but it's the way life is.

I have owned both. So, of course I would have no idea what I am talking about.. Just another magazine racing ricer... lol

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

obviously you are a magazine racer

#1 a stock LS1 GTO is a driver race with an SRT4 stock for strock from any speed

#2 an LS2 GTO would mop the floor with an SRT4 stock for stock

#3 a stock SRT4 cannot go 200+ MPH... you posted a link to a salt flat run... have you seen the cars that run the salt flats? basically you are claiming a stock SRT4 has a better top speed than a pagani zonda... and that makes me laugh

#4 you got WHP and BHP mixed up and tried comparing them like they were the same thing

#5 all you can do is fall back on your friends car and bring nothing to the table on your own accord

#6 you think an intake/exhaust only SRT4 can break 12's

#7 you think a grand prix GXP is a good run with an LS2 GTO

those 7 reasons are all I need to know you are clueless.... when someone talks like they know everything and they end up giving out bad info that isn't the truth I am obligated to correct them due to the fact I wouldn't want other enthusiants to pick up in the bad info and take it as fact

if you are going to continue to speak about which you do not know I suggest you go back to lala land (SRT4 forums)

Posted by: The Hotness

obviously you are a magazine racer

#1 a stock LS1 GTO is a driver race with an SRT4 stock for strock from any speed

-Your probably correct on this one

#2 an LS2 GTO would mop the floor with an SRT4 stock for stock

-I woudn't say mop, but I would give the LS2 for the win.. Your just telling truthisms here.. nothing special.

#3 a stock SRT4 cannot go 200+ MPH... you posted a link to a salt flat run... have you seen the cars that run the salt flats? basically you are claiming a stock SRT4 has a better top speed than a pagani zonda... and that makes me laugh

-Nobody said anything about better top speed than anything. The link said that is was for a car class with stock aerodynamics, and the srt ran 221..

#4 you got WHP and BHP mixed up and tried comparing them like they were the same thing

-Didn't mix them, so much it was just easier to use the numbers your provided and the fact that fwd drivetrain losses << rwd.

#5 all you can do is fall back on your friends car and bring nothing to the table on your own accord

-That's all you have? I have been continously discussing the two I have previously owned?? lol

#6 you think an intake/exhaust only SRT4 can break 12's

-Yep, with slicks. Mopar Intake, Modern Performance Exhaust, oh and the dyno tune.. (Oh and they are the parts off my old srt...) Showed you the video too, and it's fresh only a couple of weeks ago!

#7 you think a grand prix GXP is a good run with an LS2 GTO

-Go back and re-read, I said by your numbers and my magazine racing math a good run with an LS1 but not so much with the LS2...

those 7 reasons are all I need to know you are clueless.... when someone talks like they know everything and they end up giving out bad info that isn't the truth I am obligated to correct them due to the fact I wouldn't want other enthusiants to pick up in the bad info and take it as fact

-To bad the premises to your argument aren't valid, and so is your false conclusion. Enjoy being a forum truth seeking cowboy. I did say some things in error previously and did correct myself. (ie: factory 1/4mi et's)

But, I am sure you think Mustang GT's are fast..

Officially done with this, enjoy your new Gto and don't punch it going around a corner. My 100lb ex could handle it, so I am sure you got it locked.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hotness

obviously you are a magazine racer

#6 you think an intake/exhaust only SRT4 can break 12's

-Yep, with slicks. Mopar Intake, Modern Performance Exhaust, oh and the dyno tune.. (Oh and they are the parts off my old srt...) Showed you the video too, and it's fresh only a couple of weeks ago!

wow, now slicks and a dyno tune come out of nowhere?

lol, you must really think I was born yesterday... a dyno tune let's you set the amount of PSI you can run... he probably maxed out the stock turbo and strapped some injectors to it, far more complicated than "intake exhaust" only

again, get your facts straight.... and in your own words a stock SRT4 can pull 200+MPH, which is a laugh

which leads me to the kicker... you just admitted an LS1 GTO is a drivers race with an SRT4 from any speed and an LS2 GTO would kill an SRT4 from any speed... yet at the beginning of your little neon glorification you said the GTO falls flat at 110MPH compared to every other car...

you started a debate you couldn't back up, and you were wrong... get over it

Posted by: The Hotness

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

You can see in the damn video he's running slicks..

I said a aerodynamically stock srt can run 200+, not hp stock.

I also did not agree that an ls2 would "kill" an srt4 from any speed. Your putting a lot of words into my mouth. Gto does fall flat and that's a fact. I would love to see a showroom floor stock for stock go at it from a 60 roll. It would be interesting to see..

And your debating with false premises to your argument. This is too much of a pissing match and your on the defensive to have anywhere near an unbiased argument/debate. I have better things to do. Thanks for the exercise.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hotness

are you still talking?

neons are slow compared to ANY LSX powered vehicle... down low, up top... whatever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuplDebp5ms

the end

you don't need to say an LS2 GTO would kill a stock SRT4... I already know it would

and your aero arguement is probably the most ricerish garbage I have ever heard in my life... I guess if I put tires capable of 220 MPH on a C5 corvette I can walk around and say it's a 220MPH car

lol

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

and just for good measure so you get the hint

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_U0H1t89NA

^^^ that's an intake/exhaust SRT4 with a downpipe and a tune that can barely break into the 13's BTW

because I know you were dieing for a roll race video to see what would happen... because that's all SRT4's are good for as seen in the post above :-)

Posted by: mespock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

no, I went down to around 32-33 mile down a barren 2 lane road out in the sticks at 2AM

Around here that would have only ended up in one messed up deer!!!

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by mespock

Around here that would have only ended up in one messed up deer!!!

oh trust me, we have thsoe roads too

6-7 foot fences parting the forest from the road due to a hunting reserve is a good thing

this is the only road I will do a top speed run on, I have to drive for about 45 minutes to get there but the saftety conditions of the stretch are about as safe as you can get going a buck fifty

Posted by: NYC LS8

What does this have to do with the Lincoln LS?

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LS8

What does this have to do with the Lincoln LS?

I still own my LS and this is the only place I post for the most part

Posted by: NYC LS8

Oh, ok.

I'm gonna post some pictures of my new shoes later.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LS8

Oh, ok.

I'm gonna post some pictures of my new shoes later.

What kind you get?

Pics??

Posted by: 02V8Sport

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LS8

Oh, ok.

I'm gonna post some pictures of my new shoes later.

Just make sure you take a picture of your shoes in the trunk of your LS so its relevant to this forum

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LS8

Oh, ok.

I'm gonna post some pictures of my new shoes later.

judging from the amount of tech knowlege I see around here from most that wouldn't be a bad idea... people might think they were a special kind of intake manifold

Posted by: EmpireSix

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

judging from the amount of tech knowlege I see around here from most that wouldn't be a bad idea... people might think they were a special kind of intake manifold

burn ?

Posted by: NYC LS8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

judging from the amount of tech knowlege I see around here from most that wouldn't be a bad idea... people might think they were a special kind of intake manifold

Then add to the tech knowledge instead of posting pictures of that flop GM called a "GTO".

Pics of shoes and sunglasses (along with cell phone) coming later.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LS8

Then add to the tech knowledge instead of posting pictures of that flop GM called a "GTO".

Pics of shoes and sunglasses (along with cell phone) coming later.

what do you think this whole thread consists of? us talking about the weather?

you sure seem to have large sand particles in your vagina.... I'd take some time and reflect on why you are so angry and how the moderators aren't

I moderate an automotive forum, I know what's acceptable and what isn't... and talking about a different make and model on a certain car forums is perfectly acceptable as long as it isn't a trollish post

Posted by: zintkala

Nice Goat! Enjoy...that motor has as much, or more aftermarket support and HP potential than just about anything out there right now. As far as SRT-4's go...let me relate an experience I had a few years ago. Used to live in Warrenville, IL. (Far western burbs of Chicago). I had an Electric Red '92 LSC SE N/A with bolt ons at the time. High 13 second car. I went up to Union Grove Dragstip one night for a little test and tune. At the track I made the acquaintance of three guys who were there together, from the same area as I. Can't remember the years but the cars were a new Audi A6 4.2, Subaru WRX STI and an SRT-4. I watched all of these guys run all night and also ran against the SRT-4 on one run. The Audi was bone stock. The other two had CAI, Exhaust, Tunes, Sticky tires etc. The WRX was running low 13's, SRT-4 high 13's, Audi 15 flats. The one run I ran against the SRT-4 he got a little antsy, launched too hard, spun all the way through first and then halfway through second. (I guess the kid never heard of lifting) Stupid. On the way back home we all agreed to run with each other as we were all going to the same area. Driving back they were all about running hard, not my usual thing but it was late on a week night and very little traffic. We had been running between 75-90mph. There came a straight stretch of empty highway and the kid in the WRX, Srt-4 right behind, moved up next to me and motioned for a race. I motioned OK, he waved his hand to signal go and we went. Raced from 90-@140mph. Surprisingly I won. After 100-105mph the Subie and Neon both just kind of died. The Audi was right behind me and he stayed right with me until I lifted at 140mph. By that time we were half a mile or more from the other two. No offense but my experience has been that cars like the WRX, SRT-4, Hondas, etc. can be made to be very quick in the short run but just don't have the torque required to push a car too speed on the top end. Sheer physics....or as the old Axiom goes "There is no replacement for displacement". Oh yeah, almost forgot, when the Kid in the WRX caught up to us he pulled alongside, gave me a big

and mouthed WOW! Had to be weird for him to get taken by a big, old granpa's car.

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by zintkala

Nice Goat! Enjoy...that motor has as much, or more aftermarket support and HP potential than just about anything out there right now. As far as SRT-4's go...let me relate an experience I had a few years ago. Used to live in Warrenville, IL. (Far western burbs of Chicago). I had an Electric Red '92 LSC SE N/A with bolt ons at the time. High 13 second car. I went up to Union Grove Dragstip one night for a little test and tune. At the track I made the acquaintance of three guys who were there together, from the same area as I. Can't remember the years but the cars were a new Audi A6 4.2, Subaru WRX STI and an SRT-4. I watched all of these guys run all night and also ran against the SRT-4 on one run. The Audi was bone stock. The other two had CAI, Exhaust, Tunes, Sticky tires etc. The WRX was running low 13's, SRT-4 high 13's, Audi 15 flats. The one run I ran against the SRT-4 he got a little antsy, launched too hard, spun all the way through first and then halfway through second. (I guess the kid never heard of lifting) Stupid. On the way back home we all agreed to run with each other as we were all going to the same area. Driving back they were all about running hard, not my usual thing but it was late on a week night and very little traffic. We had been running between 75-90mph. There came a straight stretch of empty highway and the kid in the WRX, Srt-4 right behind, moved up next to me and motioned for a race. I motioned OK, he waved his hand to signal go and we went. Raced from 90-@140mph. Surprisingly I won. After 100-105mph the Subie and Neon both just kind of died. The Audi was right behind me and he stayed right with me until I lifted at 140mph. By that time we were half a mile or more from the other two. No offense but my experience has been that cars like the WRX, SRT-4, Hondas, etc. can be made to be very quick in the short run but just don't have the torque required to push a car too speed on the top end. Sheer physics....or as the old Axiom goes "There is no replacement for displacement". Oh yeah, almost forgot, when the Kid in the WRX caught up to us he pulled alongside, gave me a big

and mouthed WOW! Had to be weird for him to get taken by a big, old granpa's car.

I'm suprised that 4.2L SFI V8 hung with you like that.... I always thought the AWD drivetain loss would give it a hard time from a roll

what year was this A6? lol I'm curious now

Posted by: zintkala

Would have been an 04, maybe an 05 as it was Sept. I've seen a few run high 14's when driven right. From all of the Magazine tests I've read this is about what to expect. Makes sense...no matter how "dumbed down" for America the Audi is, it is still a German, Autobahn engineered car. High speed cruising is a normal fact of life over there. Gearing and good aerodynamics make for some long legs.

Just checked out some pics. 05 for sure. 3700 lbs, 335hp/310tq, 6 speed Triptronic Auto and good aerodynamics. Bad Ass ride!

Posted by: ground_zero298

Hmmm?

Posted by: ground_zero298

Thats my doc martin to the left of the photo. She's not the fastest but I've taken down a couple Nike's with her.

Posted by: NYC LS8

Quote:

Originally Posted by ground_zero298

Hmmm?

LMFAO

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by zintkala

Would have been an 04, maybe an 05 as it was Sept. I've seen a few run high 14's when driven right. From all of the Magazine tests I've read this is about what to expect. Makes sense...no matter how "dumbed down" for America the Audi is, it is still a German, Autobahn engineered car. High speed cruising is a normal fact of life over there. Gearing and good aerodynamics make for some long legs.

Just checked out some pics. 05 for sure. 3700 lbs, 335hp/310tq, 6 speed Triptronic Auto and good aerodynamics. Bad Ass ride!

yeah I never knew they hauled like that, not a bad car if I do say so myself

Posted by: kwazy

who really cares about a gto on this website go to a gm site

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

lol, wow this site is full of children, I never would have thought a lincoln site would be less mature

with that being said I will go back to my mustang forum... because they really enjoy my GTO regardless of car make, something I see you guys are too childish to do

just an FYI, an automotive forum is open to ANY car make and model as long as they bring knowlege to the table, but I see the stupid fog is dense here... I should know, I moderate a "ford" site and there are very credible Fbody guys all over the place :-)

and I also own a 2005 3.9L Lincoln LS
http://www.dragtimes.com/Lincoln-LS-Timeslip-13496.html

but then again I'm all over the place when it comes to cars, this was my last car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx4n3yq55Zc

and this was my collection 2 years ago

you tell me to go to a GM site, I tell you to get a life, fair trade?

don't get me wrong, alot of people here know their sh!t and are great people, to those people I appreciate you (ILLS and the gang)
but it just seems the stupidity outweighs the intelligence here and if I were to stay I fear I would just be correcting people when they say something wrong about a car... I might stop by for live chat on wednesdays though, that's always fun lol

Posted by: KD00LS

I like GTO's a lot. Take a picture of it next to your LS so it fits the requirements and we can stop all the bitching. I like to think of this as a People with an LS forum to talk about anything somewhat car related rather than just a strict LS forum. We all know each other pretty well and it's good to see something different every now and then.

Posted by: Kelleyo

Maybe we need a "past owners section" where we can post or also a place where current owners can post about their other "toys"?? Over on M5board.com no on whines when someone posts that they got another car to add to their stable. We all applaud and give kudos.

This board (LVC) is definitly becoming one of the nastiest I have seen in terms of people jumping into others sh1T. If you don't have something nice to say to someone then just shut h3ll up.

Anyhoo now that my rant is over, Nice GTO!!!!

Posted by: ground_zero298

Maybe people need to stop hatin because they can't afford a couple nice cars? I see alot of stupid stuff posted and no ones cares. You off your meds morbid? you use to be the main

disher outer around here, now your gonna roll over and take it?

Posted by: KD00LS

Here's an idea, if you are going to be a prick in someone's thread, don't even bother reading it. Find a thread that appeals to you or keep your mouth shut. There's a difference between constructive criticism and trying to be the "cool guy" and acting like a jerkoff. I've been here for 4 years and I really don't feel like it turning into a Neo-Nazi regime after all that time.

Being a smartass does not equate to you being smart.

Posted by: ground_zero298

As far as the past owners section goes (good idea). Morbids a member of the LS community just sharing some pics of his new car with his LS community friends. This thread wil be dead in a week like all the rest of them, at the end of the day does it really matter anyway? How come no one jumped down decibels throat when he got his truck? Or the guy preachin about his neon? Hell I wish I could afford a car like that, I'd post pictures also.

Posted by: NateRW21

Quote:

Originally Posted by ground_zero298

Hmmm?

Are you a reloader or do you just collect loose bullets for fun?

Posted by: NateRW21

Quote:

Originally Posted by KD00LS

...I like to think of this as a People with an LS forum to talk about anything somewhat car related rather than just a strict LS forum. We all know each other pretty well and it's good to see something different every now and then.

I agree... It's sometimes hard to keep my interest in the LS Section when all I ever read are:
"mis-fire, could it be COP???"
"My car blows hot air"
"Overheating"
"cooling fan quit"
"Ball Joints"
"McLaren grill"
"SCT Xcal"
"will 20's fit?"
"PO-PO don't like my tint"

I feel threads like this add a variety to the forum that helps keep it interesting and less "same-old, same-old". Lets be honest here... if everyone used the search feature to solve their problems, how many new posts would this forum get per day? 1... maybe 2 or 3?

And if you really want to complain... shouldn't about 40% of the postings in this forum be in the High Perfomance forum? I made a comment about this a while back and nearly got flamed to death because I dared make the sin of saying the HP section has little to offer and borders on pointless... and that was a valid point; almost no one posts in the HP section, while all of the "performance" posts for the most part end up in the general section (before some of you start... there are a couple obvious exceptions). I don't see anyone chastising people with comments like "This is the general forum, you're asking a performance question... there's a forum for that; GTFO". Is there REALLY any harm in a thread posted by an LS owner that isn't LS related? I think most will agree that getting pissy about that makes as much sense as refusing to answer a performance question in this forum just because there's another forum for that purpose.

Posted by: 99 KOBRA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

I still own my LS and this is the only place I post for the most part

Post on LS1.com. I'm getting tired of hearing about your Goat. Goats (1st and 2nd generation) are easy to beat with Terminators.

Posted by: KD00LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by 99 KOBRA

Post on LS1.com. I'm getting tired of hearing about your Goat. Goats (1st and 2nd generation) are easy to beat with Terminators.

Then don't read it, like I just said. LS1GTO.com is a good site.

Forged internals and a S/C will give you a little advantage huh. Try putting forged internals and an S/C on an LS1 or LS2 and see how easy it is.

Posted by: zintkala

Wow! This thread sure has deteriorated quickly. Personally I'm much more interested in his new Goat than hearing about cheap HID problems or Headrest LCD's. Good to see how active this board is but it's true that if people were to use the SEARCH feature there would be a whole lot less posts. I'd be fine with that...If it's OK to keep beating the same topics to death why isn't it OK to post something a little off topic? I ran my fastest times yet yesterday, as fast as the quickest cars here and did it on my 19's. I guarantee that only a handful of guys here even care but if I were to post about upolstering my trim to match my $200 sweatshirt I'd be busy for the next week telling everyone how I did it. Smokey Yunick probably said it best, "A motor doesn't care what name is on the valve cover". Kudos on your new car "Morbid", enjoy it.

Posted by: 99 KOBRA

Quote:

Originally Posted by KD00LS

The GTO doesn't come equipped like that, does it ?
So, that's really not relevant how you could modify a GM product. With the Terminator, all you need is a smaller pully and a tune to gain a lot.

Posted by: KD00LS

The pulley and tune don't come from the factory either. Believe me I've driven cobra's before and they are amazing cars, but they're not gonna walk all over an 06 GTO. It'd be a race.

Posted by: NateRW21

Stock to stock on a 6.0L goat, I think the match up is pretty good. But lets be honest here... as good as the 03-04 cobra's are (and they are great cars), for straight line performance, you've got much better options out there now (namely the GT500, new camero if it ever comes out, and the challenger).

Hell, I bet once they start putting those direct injection twin turbo V6 powerplants (EcoBoost right?) into cars, that 03-04 cobra might be disgraced by a factory 6-banger with nothing more than some tuning.

Sad but true... Oh well, I'm still buying an 03-04 cobra convertable within the next year or so!!

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by 99 KOBRA

The GTO doesn't come equipped like that, does it ?
So, that's really not relevant how you could modify a GM product. With the Terminator, all you need is a smaller pully and a tune to gain a lot.

your ford fanboyism is showing

I was chosen to moderate a "mustang" site for a reason... I know my sh!t and I am not for either side... I love all cars equally, imports, domestics, ford, GM... and sometimes dodge (cough cough)

with this being said I probably know the inside and out of the said 4.6L DOHC modular engine before you could even make a gesture to talk about it, and with that being said you probably think you could take a terminator and push 750PSI through it because the shortblock is forged... on the contrary, a stock terminator can only push around 14PSI coming from stock due to heatsoak on the stock eaton... any more than that and you are asking for something to let go...

and your arguement makes no sense either... like all ford fanboys you talk about aftermarket mods and not talk about the cars at hand (ricerish if I do say so myself), so going off of the arguement you layed out for me lets say a terminator swapped to a 14 PSI pulley and got a tune (good for around 75-80RWHP if properly dyno tuned).... now for the same money said person B can get a LS2 GTO and give it a hearty cam and still run right next to it all motor... IDK your grasping at aftermarket support is sort of funny, both cars are great cars and I love terminators, I adore them even more than the GT500 due to the fact the GT500 is a tank and is actually more work making it go fast than the terminator.... but stock eaton on the pint sized heat exchanger combined with your mindset equals one wrecked car

also the LS2 motor can hold up to around 550-600RWWHP given the proper cooling mods (meth, heat exchanger, etc, etc)

unless you have any other fanboy nugget of inspiration you would like to try to cough up?

you act like I'm some GM punk that doesn't know anything, when in actuality this 21 year young kid probably knows more than you and is far more mature about it.

both cars are very equal and deserve respect... but because you own a terminator you feel the need to shake your balls around like you have something to prove, the person in me is ammused... but the psycologist in me tells me you are threatened ;-)

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by NateRW21

But lets be honest here... as good as the 03-04 cobra's are (and they are great cars), for straight line performance, you've got much better options out there now (namely the GT500, new camero if it ever comes out, and the challenger).

^^^ and you might be onto something lol

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=3

^^^

mods on terminator

- pulley swap + tune
- drag radials
- CAI

mods on family sedan

- drag radials

sad but true, in actuality ford AND GM is getting passed in performance becuase we are keeping our heads down fighting for the puck on our own soil.... then germany comes in and hip checks us all to the ground... IMO the fight isn't between ANY american company if you want to bitch at a make

dodge, GM, and ford people should start bickering where it counts

Posted by: Kelleyo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

Gotta love the Mercedes. The newer model (E63) is ureal.

Posted by: NateRW21

Yeah, I didn't even think to mention offerings from our friends on the other side of the pond... M3/M5 both very potent cars these days, a few cars rolling off the floors from Mercedes and just about anything with an AMG badge on it.

Hell I read just the other day hyundi is bringing out a coupe with somewhere in the range of 320-350 HP... cheap-a$$ HYUNDI... and what's more... it's supposed to lay waste to a mustang GT on account of it being much more lean where the newer stangs are a bit of a porker.

(btw, is that how you spell hyundi??? I'm thinking I'm wrong)

Posted by: chriswells78

Yeah, they advertized that Korean crap that starts with an H during the superbowl. My buddy checked out the website during the game and guess what, the engine is a 4.6L V8. It looks an awful lot like a Ford 4.6L. Those Koreans can't design anything themselves. They always copy Americans stuff.

Posted by: 99 KOBRA

Quote:

Originally Posted by NateRW21

Stock to stock on a 6.0L goat, I think the match up is pretty good. But lets be honest here... as good as the 03-04 cobra's are (and they are great cars), for straight line performance, you've got much better options out there now (namely the GT500, new camero if it ever comes out, and the challenger).

Hell, I bet once they start putting those direct injection twin turbo V6 powerplants (EcoBoost right?) into cars, that 03-04 cobra might be disgraced by a factory 6-banger with nothing more than some tuning.

Sad but true... Oh well, I'm still buying an 03-04 cobra convertable within the next year or so!!

The Challenger weighs OVER 4,000 lbs.!!!!!!, the Shelby weighs over 3,900 lbs., and the Camaro is an unknown. Those aren't much better options. A stock Terminator coupe weighs 3,650 lbs. My '04 did 428 rwhp on a Dynojet with just JBA mufflers and a FIPK.

Posted by: 99 KOBRA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

I'm sure that we are all real impressed by your knowledge and maturity.

Posted by: cammerfe

A GOAT????
After you get it tricked out and I get my new engine combo together, we should plan to meet and try yours against my '02 LS. Let's go from 100!

KenS from Ben's Place

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

Quote:

Originally Posted by 99 KOBRA

well when cars get on a set of drums and race with dyno numbers I'll be sure to give you a call

you just seem like all the other terminator idiots... blind GM fanboys like to race with dyno numbers too, seems like a pattern with a$$holes

it's actually kind of funny

and if you want to address anything on the challenger, address the fact dodge diddn't put an LSD on the SRT model

Posted by: 99 KOBRA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

well when cars get on a set of drums and race with dyno numbers I'll be sure to give you a call

Actually, I've got competition licenses from BMW CCA and NASA. Who are you licensed by?

Posted by: Morbid Intentions

yeah I saw that in your sig, driving has nothing to do with car knowlege or thinking your teminator dyno numbers makes it fast

but I'm glad you would like to think so

so far I have told you all about a car you own and all you can do is race with dyno numbers like a fanboy

so do yourself a favor and offer knowlege or take a walk, all you can do is be asshurt about little old me having a nice car collection at probably half your age and you are obviously upset by it

basically you are attacking me for talking about my car that has nothing to do with this forum by talking about your car that has nothing to do with this forum... it's pretty funny

gain some KNOWLEGE before you speak and stop acting like a child

now I would love to sit here and educate you on your modular motor but I have a st. patties day party do be to, so if you'll excuse me ;-)

Posted by: The Hotness

Your like an emo car guy with an inflated ego.. How does that work?

Posted by: KD00LS

Ok let me get a word in here. There is no doubt that the Cobra 4.6 motor is a nasty motor and even nastier when even slightly modded. Stock for stock, I think the 2nd Gen GTO and the Cobra would be a very good race. Obviously with minimal mods the Cobra takes the cake on power gain due to the S/C and stock forged, but down the road with some serious money thrown into the the motor the LS2 is definately going to come out victorious. There is no replacement for displacement. This is from a completely nonbiased standpoint. I love both cars.

Posted by: NateRW21

Quote:

Originally Posted by 99 KOBRA

I'd call the shelby a better option... 4.6L vs 5.4L???? 380 HP vs 500 HP?? Plus better torque and a solid axle which will hook up MUCH better than the IRS

We are talking factory here...

If we want to talk about modified, look out... I think that 5.4L has the potential to put much more power to pavement than the 4.6L in factory form. (don't most builders say 600-700RWHP is about max on the factory forged components for the 4.6L?)

The 03-04 cobra is a great car as I said... but it's time as being king of the mountain has came and gone.

Posted by: 99 KOBRA

Quote:

Originally Posted by NateRW21

I agree that the Shelby has more power potential. I'm just really turned off by its weight. When I take my Cobra to the "track" I'm doing open track, not 1/4 mile runs, so weight is a big deal to me. The 03/04 Cobra weighs too much, but the Shelby is ridiculous. I'm a Ford guy, but I would buy a Z06 before I would buy a Shelby that weighs over 3,900 lbs.

Posted by: cammerfe

Gee Whiz, guys---If you can turn a wrench, it's possible to build a kit car with any amount of power you please, and have an all-up weight come in under 2500 pounds. It'll probably cost about half of what any serious performance production car will. Do a proper job, and you won't see a significant challenge once in three months. You can start in sixth gear and eat the lunch of anything built in a factory. Ballzy words are meaningless since somebody somewhere has a 'bigger one'! (I know of a case where a guy put headlights and front fenders on a mid-engined alcohol dragster).
KenS from Ben's Place

Posted by: NateRW21

Kobra... I should have looked at your picture; most of the guys here were talking straight line performance so my comments were inline with that. I'm not much of a drag race kinda guy; not to discount those who are, but I think racing that requires use of the brakes and steering are more interesting and more of a sport (NASCAR is certainly NOT in the group I'm discussing).

Given that, I can see your points about the 03-04 cobra and I do agree, it's a better vehicle for that type of racing. I feel there is certainly the potential in the new body stangs for a solid performing road course car... transmission from the shelby and front suspension are both big improvements over previous models; extra pork and the solid axle are not (But it's apparent the shelby was built for the 1/4 mile guys anyway)

Ken... You've got a VERY valid point; most kit cars will eat even exotic sports cars for breakfast. But you do tend to trade off some of the refinements (read: nice interior). But, if you want absolute performance... that should not be an issue.

Posted by: HyeLifeLS

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Originally Posted by Kelleyo

Gotta love the Mercedes. The newer model (E63) is ureal.

That Benz is crazzyyy...

Posted by: Fla02LS

Wow...i just read this thread to catch up on my GXP comment that is like 100 posts away now. I cant believe i read like 2-3 pages about a srt-4 neon. A 200 mph TURD is still gonna always be a TURD. I dont care how much horsepower it has or what its top speed is...... its a f*ckin NEON for cryin out loud. I think i get a good laugh daily out of srt-4 neons, WRX's, sh!tbox Honda's with a primered door or something stupid looking, all driven by punk ass kids who think they're driving a Ferrari or something. I think the only person a kid in a srt-4 Neon is impressing is another punk kid. Its funny to me. Close to my house there is a Wyotech or some type of automotive tech school and everyday at lunch time about 100 crappy ass cars with loud exhausts go flying out of the parking lot. Its funny. I'd take my slow ass Lincoln over a 200 mph Neon anyday. I've owned Mopar (still have an Intrepid) and all Dodge's are horsesh!it quality. I will never own a Mopar vehicle ever again.

Posted by: Fla02LS

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Originally Posted by 02V8Sport

Just make sure you take a picture of your shoes in the trunk of your LS so its relevant to this forum

Thats awesome. Is that guy still on here? I wonder how many got that one, or are just thinking "shoes"?

Posted by: mystro9876

Isn't this the car that was poorly designed so if a car hits it at a certain spot, the gas tank will explode?