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Oil Additives

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Posted by: Joeychgo

What does everyone think of adding stuff to your oil? Lucas oil treatment, skick 50, whatever...... Id like to see some opinions.........

Posted by: Casper

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

What does everyone think of adding stuff to your oil? Lucas oil treatment, skick 50, whatever...... Id like to see some opinions.........

Never add anything to my oil. I just make sure I get a quality Full Synth oil (I use Shell ultra) and change it every 5000kms (3100miles) without fail!
I found in the past additives clogged up my engine quite badly so I would prefer to spend the money on a better oil and filter and change it more often.

Posted by: MonsterMark

I agree. Nothing beats changing the oil every 3000 miles. Your best bet.

Posted by: driller

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

What does everyone think of adding stuff to your oil? Lucas oil treatment, skick 50, whatever...... Id like to see some opinions.........

You're not gonna believe this...

I am a believer of MT-10.

http://www.truckpulls.com/MT-10/MT-1...uct%20Info.htm

I have first hand seen it used with results at work, and I figure if it's good in equipment worth tens of thousands of dollars, it's good for me and my Marks too.

Edit: And for the record, when I pulled off the passenger side cam cover, the cover and head was clean as a whistle and no 'dry spots'.

Posted by: Joeychgo

I too am a believer in oil changes -- I use synthetic oil and one bottle of lucas -- I also use lucas in the tranny and change that every 20k with mercon V

Posted by: WackyWRZ

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

I too am a believer in oil changes -- I use synthetic oil and one bottle of lucas -- I also use lucas in the tranny and change that every 20k with mercon V

I started off using Mobil 1 in my lawnmower and after I noticed it ran much cooler and quieter, I was convinced. Now I like to run Mobil 0w-40 in the car or 0w-30 in the winter. Using good oil does no good with something like a crap fram filter, so I make sure to use a Mobil1 or Bosch filter with my oil. And when I use synthetic I tend not to use Lucas because I figured lucas was dino based and not synthetic.

Posted by: hintsclue

Thanks Joey! I am going to get some Lucas for my tranny tomorrow!

Posted by: Sifrino3

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I agree. Nothing beats changing the oil every 3000 miles. Your best bet.

:iagree:

Also, I don't let it go over three months. Whatever comes first.

Posted by: CaptainZilog

3,000 is too soon for modern synthetics. New oil does not have the lubricity of used oil (until the oil begins to break down, that is). Change at 5,000-7,500 for synth. If you use standard crude-based oil, then stick with 3,000 mile intervals.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Actually, a 5000 mile life synthetic should start to break down at about 3000 -- so by changing it then your keeping the oil fresh and at its peak I would think.

Posted by: Sifrino3

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Actually, a 5000 mile life synthetic should start to break down at about 3000 -- so by changing it then your keeping the oil fresh and at its peak I would think.

:iagree:
Got to keep it clean and fresh. . .

Posted by: CaptainZilog

There's this guy - he's doing an oil life survey at http://neptune.spacebears.com . Mobil 1 lasted 18,000 miles with one filter change @ 12,000 before the lab said it was time to change it, and it WAS STILL PROTECTING. They monitor TBN, metals and insoluables.

Of particular importance is this:
"Engine wear actually decreases as oil ages. This has also been substantiated in testing conducted by Ford Motor Co. and ConocoPhillips, and reported in SAE Technical Paper 2003-01-3119. What this means is that compulsive oil changers are actually causing more engine wear than the people who let their engine's oil get some age on it."

Trust me on this. I'm not so stupid as to make a short sighted comment that would cause harm to my and your cars. When I say 5,000 - 7,500, I mean 5,000 - 7,500.

Posted by: Joeychgo

very interesting site......... Ill have to digest it all when I have some time later.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Here are a couple of excerps from Wheellegal
Looks like an interesting site.

Dura Lube Engine Treatment: Dura Lube used to run very thorough infomercials touting their canned snake juice -- that is, until the FTC pursued charges against them and their advertising agency. Dura Lube chose to settle instead, agreeing to a wide array of advertising sanctions and a recall of all existing Dura Lube advertising. So what does Dura Lube do? They can't say, since they can't prove any benefits. They also suffered from half a dozen class-action lawsuits, which were all settled out of court, ultimately resulting in $2 million in fines, $942,500 in legal fees to the plaintiffs, $250,000 in cash refunds to buyers, and coupon booklets attached to bottles for a year.

Motor Up No Oil Change Engine Treatment Concentrate: Motor Up got hit hard when the FTC took notice of their little operation; so hard that you'll be hard-pressed to find their products on shelves anymore. They went so far as to require the owner of the company to report his employment status for the next decade. The FTC definitely was not pleased with this product! Apparently, the company decided to cut its losses and accept the judgment, as there is no record of a court battle.

Prolong Engine Treatment Concentrate: A longtime favorite of the restoration set, Prolong got slapped around by the FTC in 1999. On 22 November 1999, the makers of Prolong reached an agreement with the FTC wherein they wouldn't have to pay a fine but they would have to immediately cease all claims that Prolong will reduce engine wear, extend engine life, reduce corrosion, protect against breakdowns, or that what works in a racecar will work in a street-driven car.

Valvoline TM8 Engine Treatment: Valvoline jumped on the Teflon bandwagon, and got rudely thwacked off again by the FTC. The FTC charged that TM8 was useless snake oil; Ashland, Valvoline's parent, declined to contest this characterization, and agreed to a long list of things that they are no longer allowed to claim the product can do. Later, TM8 was also the target of a class action lawsuit, which Ashland settled out of court for $4.2 million in coupons for the public, $750,000 for the lawyers, and $5,000 for the guy who initiated the suit (demonstrating once again that it's far better to be the lawyer than the plaintiff).

zMax Power System: Oil-Chem Research Corp., a subsidiary of Speedway Motorsports Inc. (yeah, the guys who own all those NASCAR tracks), have been marketing this kit of three additives: one each for oil, fuel, and transmission. They claim rather impressive gains with the product, and claim that their results are laboratory-proven. The FTC disagreed with this assessment, and in a suit for a permanent injunction the FTC accused Oil-Chem of falsifying the test results. The FTC also charged that zMax is nothing but mineral oil, and that it actually causes a 50% increase in bearing wear, proven by Oil-Chem's own testing! Oil-Chem didn't take this lying down, and Federal Trade Commission v. Speedway Motorsports went unresolved for quite a while. One of the more creative assertions in defense of zMax was that the benefits of using zMax need not be backed by "competent and scientific evidence", but only "reasonable basis" (the "lower your expectations and we'll meet them" defense). Finally, in one of the more convoluted additive rulings, both sides have claimed victory: the FTC has restricted zMax advertising and imposed a $1 million mandatory consumer refund, while Oil-Chem is ecstatic to still be able to advertise that zMax helps your car by reducing engine deposits. Unfortunately the settlement doesn't address the issue of whether zMax is little more than colored mineral oil. The bottom line seems to be that zMax works as a solvent of some kind, so if you have a sludged-up engine it'll help clean it up. Oil-Chem apparently has documentation to back its claims but, for whatever reason, doesn't want the public to see it.

Shell Vektron 3000 "PEP" Additive: This additive was created and marketed by Shell, but not sold directly to consumers. It was sold to other companies who put it in their gasoline additive products, such as Castrol Syntec Power System and Slick 50 Synchron Premium Octane Treatment (there's that troublesome Slick 50 again). The problem, like other additives, is that the PEP molecule doesn't do what it's told, and having the additive in your fuel won't do jack squat other than lighten your wallet. So, on 22 December 1999, the FTC put the smackdown on Shell and told them to quit claiming their product has any benefits. Shell caved without a fight, which tells you what they think of their product.

Posted by: corey85TC

Yes, over the 140K miles I had my last car I was suckered into trying, that is buying 3 different engine treatments (too much late night TV i guess). I was about to buy one again for my TC until I researched which one was best and found uniform agreement that they are all a ripoff.

Instead I went to a synthetic oil (mobil 1) and I am a believer. After changing the oil it only took a couple minutes at idle when I noticed a reduction in engine noise.

Then there's the improved protection numbers, smoke point, pour point, wear, etc.

Finally, after 2 tanks of gas, I can report a solid 1 mpg improvement, which may not sound like much, but after I ran the numbers for my 85TC, it comes out to a savings of 2x the cost of the mobil 1, in other words I'm saving money using a more expensive synthetic oil.

Posted by: JoeyLincolnMK8

Im hardcore, i change my oil every 1500

Posted by: FreeFaller

Well, I'll go from experience... 1994 GMC Jimmy 4.3L CPFI... I've used nothing but Red Line Oil and change it every 15,000 miles. I change the filter every 5,000 miles. She's got 187,000 miles on her and the only major work done was the fuel injector crapped out on me. That's it. But I don't treat the LS that way. I don't think the LS's engine is quite as bullet proof as the 4.3.

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