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mark vs. bird

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Posted by: turborich

A V-6 bird takes on a mark VIII. Watch the whole thing.

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fusea...oid=26045 227

Posted by: AbrahamLincoln

super persuit mode

Posted by: AbrahamLincoln

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407lo1iIZHI

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by turborich

A V-6 bird takes on a mark VIII. Watch the whole thing.

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fusea...oid=26045 227

To repeat what I just posted in the comments section on that video...

A: The stock Mark VIII is 280 HP

B: That T-bird has more then just engine mods; most likely more agressive gears in the rear with a limited slip (which isn't stock for that car). The Mark VIII is an open rear (non-limited slip) 3.07 rear end.

There is no way a 3.8 non-supercharged engine in that car could smoke a Mark VIII. The cars are about the same weight, and the Mark has a large HP advantage. I don't know what the stock rear gearing is on the T-bird, but unless it is a supercoupe (it isn't) the gearing is about the same as the Mark and is an open rear end. Don't think the donuts could've been done like that without a LSD.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

I call gearing, LSD and at least a 50 shot of NOS on the T-Bird to be able to do that.

Posted by: slowmkviii

The bird still lost and on a wet road I know my mark with an open diff wont get off the line worth crap

Posted by: turborich

It took the mark a long time to catch it though, The bird ran pretty good. I'm guessing maybe some NOS as well?

Posted by: shagdrum

Hadn't considered NOS.

Don't consider it a worthy mod, myself, anyway.

Posted by: Dark_Majesty_06

I know my friend has a v6 tbird with a new trans.. and it runs okay... nothing like the poony lincoln i drove.... and that mark still woulda beat his v6... that car must have been more than just a few bolt ons... gears... cold air, chip, seemed like stock exhaust, maybe some internals replaced.. I've never seen nitrous used before.. so i couldn't tell....

Posted by: AbrahamLincoln

it said poice interceptor model or something... johnnys mods as in johnny law?!?! rofl

Posted by: MERIJONS97LSC

How about the idiot standing in the middle of the road with the camera and letting the cars pass on both side of him!!!!

Posted by: slickemhoundd

As far as i saw the mark got him in the end both times and as far as im concerned if it was a gen 1 it would never have happend

Posted by: Dawkins

a 90 t-bird SC would blow the doors off my mark anyday...

Posted by: AbrahamLincoln

na bird vs jordan :-)

Posted by: mespock

Well it was a Gen II Mark VIII..

Posted by: pepperman

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Originally Posted by Dawkins

a 90 t-bird SC would blow the doors off my mark anyday...

The only way that it would do that is if the driver knew how to get that kind of perfomance out of a T-Bird, and that is the only way. Cars DO NOT win races DRIVERS DO.

Posted by: Dawkins

im sorry a SC would beat a mark viii...and theres not many times i'd say anything could beat our cars...but the 90 tbird my dad had man was killer...you could be blind and have no arms and still beat a mark viii in a SC...

Posted by: AbrahamLincoln

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Originally Posted by Dawkins

im sorry a SC would beat a mark viii...and theres not many times i'd say anything could beat our cars...but the 90 tbird my dad had man was killer...you could be blind and have no arms and still beat a mark viii in a SC...

is this stock vs stock? their weight is about equal and the mark has 50 more horses depending on which SC your talking about, 90 has a 70 hp @ 210 v mark 280. however the torque is impressive "horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" also im assuming were talking manual here in the SC (however I think I read the auto ones had more boost in the older years stock??) i personally HATE auto. its boring, but its easy to operate and predictable (like some ex-girlfriends ive had)

driver skill has a lot to do with it, but to a point. what type of driving and in what situation always matter.

ide venture on the highway that sc is getting SMOKED

oh yea and no laughs on the bird vs jordan cmon guys lighten up,

NOTHING BUT NET!

i was doing some research, man that T bird SVE is freakin sweet, too bad it never panned out. How come there are no supercharger setups like that available? im assuming that motor is the "B" heads.

also thummed through a magazine today and it featured the 4.6 DOHC intake manifolds, in mustand and something or other high powered fords???? hey those intake manifolds make a HUGE difference depending on which one is on there.

Posted by: jbird97

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

I don't know what the stock rear gearing is on the T-bird, but unless it is a supercoupe (it isn't) the gearing is about the same as the Mark and is an open rear end. Don't think the donuts could've been done like that without a LSD.

My 97 V6 Tbird had 3.27's open diff stock.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this tbird on TCCoA before. Don't recall any info on mods tho.

Posted by: NateRW21

Quote:

Originally Posted by MERIJONS97LSC

How about the idiot standing in the middle of the road with the camera and letting the cars pass on both side of him!!!!

That's what I was thinking!!! Someone wants to test out the theory of natural selection...

Posted by: vr4

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Originally Posted by slickemhoundd

As far as i saw the mark got him in the end both times and as far as im concerned if it was a gen 1 it would never have happend

youre right. if it was a gen 1 the mark wouldnt have to play catch up

i call gears, LSD, and spray.

personally id love to run into a lightly modded SC. ive driven a few stock 1s and im not worried about them until a pulley swap happens.

Posted by: Moes8

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Originally Posted by Dawkins

a 90 t-bird SC would blow the doors off my mark anyday...

1990 Sc ran 0-60mph in 7.4 sec. and 15.8 sec 1/4 mile with autotrans

the later ones had a little more boost and ran 7.0 and 15.4 ,

a gen one will run with/pull away from an auto sc every time.

how do i know?

,i had a 89 sc and my dad had his 93 mark, he always beat me in races except for the first 30 mph,the sc has a lot of torque and was good until the mark hit middle of first gear,then the mark walked away.

Posted by: mespock

See Chicken... Gen I LOL...

Posted by: Frat-man-du

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbrahamLincoln

na bird vs jordan :-)

HA I get it....

Having had both a T-Bird and a Mark -the T-Bird has to have gears, some engine upgrades and prob a performance tune, I didn't hear a supercharger. Either way still pretty well done.

I dont care how much trust I have in my friends driving abilities (on a wet road no less) there is no way in hell I would be standing in the center of the road, camera or not!

Posted by: shagdrum

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepperman

Cars DO NOT win races DRIVERS DO.

To a degree, yes; if you are saying that a car cannot win a race without a driver, and the driver is the one who is credited with winning, not the car. But outside of that extreme, that statement is an inaccurate mischaracterization. Someone with enough of a mechanical advantage can smoke the best driver. I could smoke any Nascar driver if they had a stock Pinto and I had a stock brand new GT500. The mechanical differences don't need to be that great either, to allow a lesser driver to win over a better driver. That is the whole pupose behind the restrictions on racing cars; to keep the playing field somewhat level, mechanically.

Posted by: punisher12b

Um i may be stating the obvious here. but i had a 3.8 at one point.. and i have a mark now.. did anybody else notice the road was wet if that be the case... the bird could in theroy take off at full power and be in better straights than the mark viii just my 2cents.

Posted by: MMAFIGHTER121

i dunno, that looked not too shabby. the t-birds front end was kicking UP off the line so there was some nice torque... i doubt on the Nitrous though cuz thats an awful lotta bottle to burn just havin fun doin burnouts and donuts..

Posted by: slowmkviii

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Originally Posted by punisher12b

Um i may be stating the obvious here. but i had a 3.8 at one point.. and i have a mark now.. did anybody else notice the road was wet if that be the case... the bird could in theroy take off at full power and be in better straights than the mark viii just my 2cents.

That is what I said dry road would make a big diff. in that race

Posted by: chickenviii

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Originally Posted by mespock

See Chicken... Gen I LOL...

naww, Moes8 said 15.8, 15.4, my bone stock gen 2 runs 15.1 consistently
ive seen sc birds fly with some minor mods

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by punisher12b

Not unless the T-bird had a LSD. Notice how it hooked up. No one wheel spin, which would've been more pronounced on the T-bird if both were open rear ends (assuming the t-bird was producing more torque from idle). considering the weather, a stock Mark VIII should have the advantage to a stock t-bird, as far as hooking up, because of the torque curve of the DOHC engine vs. the torque curve of a pushrod engine.

Posted by: AbrahamLincoln

dude it said POLICE INTERCEPT! JOHNNY LAW

Posted by: slickemhoundd

Quote:

Originally Posted by vr4

youre right. if it was a gen 1 the mark wouldnt have to play catch up

i call gears, LSD, and spray.

personally id love to run into a lightly modded SC. ive driven a few stock 1s and im not worried about them until a pulley swap happens.

Im suprised i havent caused any arguements yet....GEN 1s ARE BEASTS

Posted by: punisher12b

im just going off my mark in the rain now.. and how my bird was... just my opinon

Posted by: MediumD

I've got a mildly modified 90 SC 5spd... IMO stock for stock the SC will take the Mark until the SC shifts into 3rd while the Mark runs through the top of second. A full 1/4 mile would be close either way, shorter than that I'd give it to the SC, longer the Mark (or a freeway roll would be all Mark.) When I'm done with the cam swap in mine... maybe driller would be a good run for me off the spray.

As far as the Bird in the video, it wasn't a SC... for all we know it could be a splitport swap with bonus mods or on spray. I would bet on gears/LSD based on the launch.