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HD COP's update, aka screw GMS

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Posted by: JES_LS

After getting the DGS treatment by GMS, and finding myself with some time on my hands. I got back to my contact at the manufacturer, and we have gotten the ball rolling.
I sent him an intermittent OEM v6 coil to use for measurements about a week ago. Today he called to tell me he is shipping out a prototype for the V6's so I can fabricate a bracket for them.

Once I get a bracket fabricated for the V6, I see if we can use it to anchor the v8 prototype cop as well.

Whether we can use one bracket or two, I'm pretty sure that I can get some production runs put together that will keep the costs of these coils down below what a set of white box COP's run never mind the OEM's.

So this is not dead, It is moving.
I'll try to keep everybody here updated.

Posted by: rickztahone

good luck dealing with granatelli, i wish i would've got those prototypes but they gave me such a run around. they just didn't seem interested, but after-all it is their business that gets affected with this type of attitude

Posted by: JES_LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickztahone

good luck dealing with granatelli, i wish i would've got those prototypes but they gave me such a run around. they just didn't seem interested, but after-all it is their business that gets affected with this type of attitude

read the title of the thread again. Screw GMS.
That is why I finally made a contact that works for the company that makes Granatelli's COPs and got him to work with me. Even he was tired of their utter lack of interest.
I'll be fabricating the cop brackets myself.

I have not stayed with this quest for this long only to let people who think it is too small or too boring to stop me.

Posted by: d-i-s-t-o-r-t-e-d

I don't think they understand how many people will switch to these COP's if they are proven to be better. I know I will to get that little bit of throttle response or unattended hp out of my car. Also it being cheaper is even more of a reason to switch if you ask me. Good luck though.

Posted by: MonsterMark

JES LS

If you need help, let me know. I'm fairly tight in some automotive circles, albeit, behind the scenes.

Unfortunately I have no plans on owning a LS. Too small a 4dr vehicle for my tastes.

Posted by: gt95coupe

Are you talking about a braket that would mount the COPs to the valve cover and/or head?

Posted by: NYC LS8

Good deal, man. Let us know how ya make out!

Posted by: JES_LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

JES LS

If you need help, let me know. I'm fairly tight in some automotive circles, albeit, behind the scenes.

Unfortunately I have no plans on owning a LS. Too small a 4dr vehicle for my tastes.

Hey I appreciate the offer of support, and I'll probably be taking you up on it when it comes to the project planned for the next LS.
But right now what I need is a little bit of time, and then some dyno time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gt95coupe

Are you talking about a bracket that would mount the COPs to the valve cover and/or head?

Yes, the Manufacturer said that even if every Lincoln LS owner wanted these cops, it would still not be cost effective to for them to make a coil body mold that would have a useful mounting lug. So we are using a HD coil whose body does not have a mounting lug, customizing the wire + boot length and using a fabricated clamp.
I've seen a couple of Rube Goldberg jobs that were washers and long bolts, but a properly made clamp should not be that tough. Its just a matter of machining costs and how many units have to be made to get pricing breaks. If push really came to shove I could start molding them up in plastic myself.

Posted by: NateRW21

Keep us updated man... I told you when you were workin the GMS route that I'd throw down the cash as soon as they were available... nothing has changed!

Posted by: rickztahone

the cop's did make a difference in throttle response in my opinion and although the minor changes are real sublte they are still noticeable. the car just felt "different" after they were in. unfortunately they got taken out after just a couple of days, but i wouldn't mind having them in again. keep us updated

Posted by: JES_LS

I'll keep you guys in the loop.
Now its just me and the coil manufacturer.
No more middlemen that don't believe that anyone else can know anything.

I'll post as soon as I have the coil in hand.

Posted by: JES_LS

okay as promised,,
I got the coil today and I'll be pulling out one of the standard replacements ones so that I can measure the mounting ear. I have a couple of ideas on what we could use, but my Dad had a simpler clamping idea.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by JES_LS

but my Dad had a simpler clamping idea.

You do not want those coils bouncing around. Nothing takes them out quicker than a jostle or hard tap.

Posted by: JES_LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

You do not want those coils bouncing around. Nothing takes them out quicker than a jostle or hard tap.

That is true, but since the wire now has a positive locking connector on the spark plug and a real conductor between the coil and the plug, there is already less chance that the coil will move around. The clamp does not have to force the coil down against the valve cover and the head to maintain both location and connection. It just has to keep the coil from moving around.
To me that means that the coil needs to be held over the spark plug terminal accurately but does not need a lot of downward pressure on it to make connection.

To me that means I can use a simpler clamp than I originally sketched.

Posted by: 97stscaddy

How about something like a distributor hold down? A flat peice of metal, or plastic even, with a lip on one side to act as a wedge and force the other side down on the top of the coil as you tighten the screw.

Posted by: JES_LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by 97stscaddy

How about something like a distributor hold down? A flat peice of metal, or plastic even, with a lip on one side to act as a wedge and force the other side down on the top of the coil as you tighten the screw.

good thinking, I had something similar in mind. I'll try to get some bar stock from my Dad's bin tomorrow and see if I can't carve up a rough prototype clamp.

Posted by: JES_LS

Well the bar and angle stock barrel at my father's doesn't have anything that will work for me.
I'll have to hit a Lowe's to get some tomorrow.

Posted by: JES_LS

Well the simple clamp idea is not going to work.
Nor with the first sketch I drew.
Now working on third design.

Posted by: NateRW21

third time's a charm!!

Posted by: 97stscaddy

Gorilla glue!!!!! :P That'll git-r-dun!

Posted by: JES_LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by 97stscaddy

Gorilla glue!!!!! :P That'll git-r-dun!

actually that may get used in setting up the mold for casting a plastic bracket to hold it down.

Does anyone have any bad coils for either engine laying about?
I don't want to buy a couple of brand new oem type cops to cut them to pieces if I can get a couple of dead ones.

PM if you do. I pay for shipping.

Posted by: 97stscaddy

I may have one here in the next few weeks, can't tell yet. It started feeling a little lopey at idle so I seafoamed the crap out of the intake and it went away. But it has done that before when a col was about to go bad. Plus I'm goin on about 4 months since the last replacement, which is a record so far.

Posted by: PGA2B

Check into Duramix 4747 epoxy. It will be great for this application. Find it at a auto paint supply store. It's the best epoxy I have ever used!

Posted by: JES_LS

Great I have another bad v6 coil on its way to me.
Now I just need a v8 one.

Anybody got one? that they could ship to me.
I'll pay shipping!!

Posted by: rickztahone

i threw one out not so long ago. i would've gladly sent it to you. sry man, i'm all for the cause

Posted by: JES_LS

hey no sweat I'm sure that some body here has a bad coil

Posted by: SolacE

I have one i should be able to send out tues or wed

Posted by: Blip01

I happen to have an old V8 coil laying in my garage, and I also happen to work a few miles from where you live. How convenient.

Unfortunately I just couldn't wait any longer on the HD coils, I am waiting for a set of 8 new ones to come in the mail any day. My car is seriously running like crap right now.

I'll pm you my cell# and you can pick up the coil from me at work, or I can drop it off to you at your place.

Posted by: SolacE

let me know if you guys work this out. I was going to ship the coil out on Friday afternoon. But if not I still have the one I was going to send.

Posted by: Blip01

Quote:

Originally Posted by SolacE

let me know if you guys work this out. I was going to ship the coil out on Friday afternoon. But if not I still have the one I was going to send.

JES was able to pick up the coil from me Solace.

Posted by: SolacE

cool.....cant wait to see these a reality....hopefully anywho.

Posted by: TDUB

Ok so it looks like this thread has died any new updates on this COP?