Originally Posted by NYC LS8

Yes. Aggressive timing tune from Torrie should make it feel better down low.

Originally Posted by ILLS

The bad thing is that the "aggressive" tune that Torrie sends to his customers usually causes their engines to ping. I have been told this by multiple sources. Some ping a little some ping allot. Not a good thing.

What some people need to understand is that there is a balance between power and safety with these engines; and transmissions for that matter. Tuner's that just think of maximum power while throwing timing to the engine are not keeping the customer's best interests in mind. The same goes for throwing the shift pressure to these 5R55 transmissions. While it may be "cool" to make the tires bark second and third gear it is not exactly the best way to do it with these transmissions on stock form. After all, an engine will not make much power if it has damage done to it from detonation. A car won't make it down the strip if its transmission is screwed up. Just something to think about when those of you pick a custom tuner next time.

Originally Posted by ILLS

The bad thing is that the "aggressive" tune that Torrie sends to his customers usually causes their engines to ping. I have been told this by multiple sources. Some ping a little some ping allot. Not a good thing.

What some people need to understand is that there is a balance between power and safety with these engines; and transmissions for that matter. Tuner's that just think of maximum power while throwing timing to the engine are not keeping the customer's best interests in mind. The same goes for throwing the shift pressure to these 5R55 transmissions. While it may be "cool" to make the tires bark second and third gear it is not exactly the best way to do it with these transmissions on stock form. After all, an engine will not make much power if it has damage done to it from detonation. A car won't make it down the strip if its transmission is screwed up. Just something to think about when those of you pick a custom tuner next time.

Originally Posted by 97stscaddy

Well what I'm wondering more is if anyone has used the Xcal to get more power primarily from the bottom end. Above 3000 rpm these engines have plenty of go, but I'm looking for improvement below 3000.

Originally Posted by NYC LS8

True. And when it pings, you get out of the throttle and call up/email your tuner if it's Torrie and tell him to modify the files. Pretty simple.

Originally Posted by 97stscaddy

Well what I'm wondering more is if anyone has used the Xcal to get more power primarily from the bottom end. Above 3000 rpm these engines have plenty of go, but I'm looking for improvement below 3000.

Originally Posted by ILLS

A cookie cutter tune should be fully tested more before being sent to the masses to ensure both maximum power while still retaining safety. It should not be up to the customers to have to deal with and explore this with a tune of that nature. Now if it were a full custom tune for a unique project then I could see some special circumstances happening, but not for this.

Originally Posted by Quik LS

Robert - you seems to be trying to make a point about Torrie here - no?

What I know, Torrie has done 100s of LSes, had them on his dyno, and created many tunes for us. And I think you have seen the many posts where he offers great, fast customer service - if something - for whatever reason - isn't right - he fixes it. Lessening the tune so no-one ever pings - and everyone gets less performance - doesn't seem to make sense. He gives you his best educated tune, and then adjusts it until you are happy - unless you can get into his shop and tune it on the dyno.

I have seen posts where you have also worked with customers after purchasing the XCal form you, and they all seem happy as well.

Not sure why you feel it necessary to claim the tune should work perfectly for all customer via e-mail all the time.... ? We all have different mods, different engine health, running different gas, different climates, different PCM codes, ... (but you know all this).

Originally Posted by ILLS

No Quik I am not trying to make a point about Torrie at all. This is in specific regard to the tune most of you refer to as the "aggressive" tune. My point deals with quality control when offering a tune for the masses. I understand that there are many people that are happy with Torrie's tunes and that is fine. I am sure he is a good or even great tuner. Still the fact remains that the "aggressive" tune that he sends out to people seems to make most cars ping like crazy which is just not a good thing. Also lets face it, being that there are not many mods for the LS the tuning is relatively similar from one to the next which means that standardizing a powerful and safe tune and then applying self tested/made value files for specific mods after that is not a real big problem. Yes you will have variables due to environment, fuel octane available but that is why you customize the tune before it goes out, not after a person calls back in with problems. When offering tuning via the internet there needs to be a little more safety built into the tunes because the vehicle is not tuned in person and likely never seen by the tuner. When a vehicle is tuned in person then you can get more aggressive because if it does ping then it will be taken care of after only one time and not repeated use. There are some pretty appreciable differences between the approach used when sending tunes out to the masses via the internet and actually tuning a vehicle in person.

Quik, I believe you took my post a little more negatively than I meant it. My intent was in bringing to light that we custom tuners need to practice the utmost in quality control, especially when sending tunes out to the masses. If we see allot of cars having issues on a tune we are sending out then that is probably a sign that something needs to be modified before sending it out. Now if it is the occasional issue then that is a different story altogether because it doesn't really develop a pattern at that point. I understand that you and some of the other members in here will get defensive about this because it is his tuning in your cars. You have a certain level of loyalty to Torrie and what he offers and that is fine. I am not here to stomp on that. I just wanted to touch on a QC issue that had been brought to my attention on more than one occasion.