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Ron Paul supporters....

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Posted by: MonsterMark

are probably doing this right now after the seeing the Florida primary numbers come in at a whopping 3%.

Posted by: MAC1

I don't believe Paul had a real chance of winning, but he really blew it during one of the debates I watched where he babbled and sounded like a 60s Flower Child.

Posted by: fossten

As opposed to Rudy, who had a REAL chance, right? Oh, wait, he's out of the race...

And to your point, Bryan, you couldn't be more wrong. Ron Paul didn't campaign heavily in Florida, choosing rather to focus on states such as Maine and others. So nobody on the Ron Paul side is surprised. Sorry, you're wrong again. But once again you show real class by making fun of people who seriously support their candidate. Nice job.

Posted by: fossten

Media coverage for Ron Paul in the last week, according to journalism.org:

Media Exposure by Candidate

Main Newsmaker
Significant Presence
Total Percent of Campaign Stories

Barack Obama (D)
27.9%
13.4%
41.3%

Hillary Clinton (D)
22.0
18.3
40.3

Bill Clinton
13.2
5.1
18.3

John McCain (R)
7.1
9.8
16.9

Rudy Giuliani (R)
7.1
6.6
13.7

Mitt Romney (R)
4.9
6.8
11.7

John Edwards (D)
3.9
7.3
11.2

Mike Huckabee (R)
1.2
5.2
6.4

Fred Thompson (R)
3.7
1.2
4.9

Dennis Kucinich (D)
2.4
0.3
2.7

Ron Paul (R)
0
0.2
0.2

Bill Richardson (D)
0.2
0
0.2

Total Number of Campaign Stories = 409

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by fossten

But once again you show real class by making fun of people who seriously support their candidate. Nice job.

Once again you missed the point.
#1) I have already lost 2 candidates in this election and I don't have my head in the toilet.

#2) As I have said ad-naseum. Wrong Messenger.

#3) He refuses to modify his foreign policy stance so why would anyone take him seriously on his other stances?

#4) Don't give me crap about campaigning in a state.
Supposedly none of the Dems did and they got 1.8 million votes. Campaigning is like preaching to the choir. 9 out of 10 people that go see a candidate already support that candidate.

#5) I'm looking forward to Ron Paul making an even bigger a$$ of himsewlf at the next debate. Instead of toning it down and picking up support, he'll crank up the volume and scare everyone who was listening away. But all the Paulies will be there hooting and hollering in the stands, ignoring the rules of the forum of course because rules don't apply to them.

6) If he would denounce his kook fringe support, he might gain traction (truthers). But he won't. He is a stubborn 'ol billy-goat.

7) It is the messenger. Get it.

8) The video is damn funny. It is called self-deprecating humor. Thousest believes one taketh theyself too seriously.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

#3) He refuses to modify his foreign policy stance so why would anyone take him seriously on his other stances?

So you'd rather that he flip flop and pander, something Romney has done with abortion? Conservatives have been hoodwinked into ignoring the increasingly more important domestic problems in favor of making Iraq the singular issue of this election.

Big mistake.

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Again, calling for pandering? He tones it down and he gets mocked by the other childish candidates. Sometimes I wonder if kindergarten is in session when I watch those things. I'm not impressed with their stupid jokes.

Got news for you, Romney's gun stance and insane healthcare ideas will cost him the general. I won't vote for him and thousands (millions?) of other gun owners won't either. Take a lesson from Clinton's 1994 AWB and healthcare debacle, cost him the Congress. See any parallels here?

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

But all the Paulies will be there hooting and hollering in the stands, ignoring the rules of the forum, of course, because rules don't apply to them.

Yet Ron Paul abides by the rules by taking up only his allotted time for answering questions while EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE bloviates and hogs the time, demanding to speak and respond to every little comment, TALKING LOUDLY OVER RON PAUL, literally interrupting him en masse so that he's drowned out and can't finish his answers, and this doesn't sicken you? Take off the blinders.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by fossten

So you'd rather that he flip flop and pander,

I'd rather he get over his biggest weakness and admit that his strategy of pulling out of the world might harm the U.S.A. more than help.

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Originally Posted by fossten

I am not impressed with the format either. It is all about sound-bites. Even when they are debating. You either play the game or you get rolled-over.

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Originally Posted by fossten

Got news for you, Romney's gun stance and insane healthcare ideas will cost him the general. I won't vote for him and thousands (millions?) of other gun owners won't either. Take a lesson from Clinton's 1994 AWB and healthcare debacle, cost him the Congress. See any parallels here?.

Again, I don't throw out the baby with the bath water. I'd rather have any Republican, even a RINO, as compared to the beating the Country will take with Dem Pres and Congress. But maybe if the HillBilly or Osama get in, America will hand us back the House and Senate to keep them in check.

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Originally Posted by fossten

I agree. He is polite. But the guy is wasting one of the greatest opportunities to get his message out. Instead of going for it all and getting nothing, settle for a piece at a time. That is what liberals are doing and that is why they are winning and have been winning for decades.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I'd rather he get over his biggest weakness and admit that his strategy of pulling out of the world might harm the U.S.A. more than help.

Refusing to conquer every country that looks at us sideways is not the same as pulling out of the world. I disagree with your premise and your phraseology. Your umbrella phrases are not getting past my truth filters; sorry, nice attempt at falsely framing the issue.

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I could use the same logic with Ron Paul. His domestic policies are beyond refutation and there is insufficient evidence that his foreign policy will hurt the country. He is far more conservative than the remaining candidates. The only one who came close was Fred, and even he's an establishment guy.

Sorry, but the Republican party has lost its conservatism. It won't be long before there is a splilnter where conservatives will seek other candidates because the republican candidates are too liberal. I refer you to Rush's statement again - if the President's going to screw up the country, better that the Democrats get credit for it.

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Spoken like a true compromiser. No true conservative talks like that. If something's right it's right, and compromising is defeat. Better to get beaten than to give ground that you can never make up. At least that way your conscience is clear.

A piece of what? A slower slide down the greased chute of socialism? What difference does it make, unless somebody stands up and reverses the trend? You cannot name one candidate besides Ron Paul who actually wants to shrink the size of government. NOT ONE. What does that say about the Republican Party? The only difference between the two parties is one wants the slide to go faster than the other does.

Posted by: daves2000ls

Well said Fossten. Dr. Paul knows what he's talking about. (when he's given the oppurtunity to talk)

Why do you not want to get out of the central banking system so that we, as Americans, can have a chance to get out of debt? Why do you want a candidate that will continue to mess with Muslims on their Holy Land, just to get oil that we're, again as Americans, trying to replace with cleaner more efficient energy? Do you work for Haliburton?

VOTE FOR DR. PAUL IN YOUR LOCAL PRIMARY!!! IT'S IMPORTANT DAMMIT!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_SXMOGhWvc

Posted by: fossten

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The dignity of man is not shattered in a single blow, but slowly softened, bent, and eventually neutered. Men are seldom forced to act, but are constantly restrained from acting. Such power does not destroy outright, but prevents genuine existence. It does not tyrannize immediately, but it dampens, weakens, and ultimately suffocates, until the entire population is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid, uninspired animals, of which the government is shepherd.

-- Alexis de Tocqueville

Posted by: MonsterMark

How did the one-trick pony, I mean, Dr. Paul do tonight in the debate?

Guy shoots himself in the foot every time with his imperial b.s.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

How did the one-trick pony, I mean, Dr. Paul do tonight in the debate?

Guy shoots himself in the foot every time with his imperial b.s.

"Imperial b.s.?" What are you talking about? You don't think that our 700 bases around the world constitute an empire? Somebody has to pay for that, you know. We're going broke and borrowing from the Chinese to pay for this stuff. Even McCain stole one of RP's lines last night, referring to borrowing from the Chinese. It's common knowledge Bryan, get your head out of the sand.

By the way, I've covered my opinions on the debate in another thread. But he was treated shabbily, and there was no reason for it. McRomney bloviated ad nauseum and said nothing of substance and was fawned upon.

Posted by: Jayce 1971

The general public is generally too lazy to do their own research. It's much easier to let CNN or Fox or NBC select a candidate for you. Show you exactly what you want to see, tell you what you need to hear. Just like the debate. Let's give Romney and McCain 90% of the time, even though we already know their stances, and let's watch them play "He said, He said." That debate was sad. "crawling in the grass, crawling in the grass!"
"No, I said Lying in the grass. Get it right!"
Please.