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99 Towncar Problems Starting on cold mornings.

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Posted by: 99 Towncar

On cold mornings my Towncar has a great deal of problems starting. It isn't throwing any codes and all the sensors seem to be performing normaly. However it had several misfire codes saved in the computer. Acording to the Chiltons Manual trouble shooting guide the problem lies in either the fuel pump or clogged fuel injectors. Has anyone had any similar problems? If so what did you do? Thanks Tom

Posted by: slowmkviii

what does the car do

Posted by: 99 Towncar

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Originally Posted by slowmkviii

what does the car do

I thought I sumed that up? It is getting 14 mpg and runs like

in the morning when I first start up.

Posted by: midi_junkie

might be your alternator.

Posted by: slowmkviii

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Originally Posted by 99 Towncar

On cold mornings my Towncar has a great deal of problems starting.

This is not what is does
what does is do surge, idel bad, turn over with no fire, turn over slow and so on

Posted by: brentalan

I had a similiar problem and it was my IAC valve.

Posted by: 99 Towncar

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Originally Posted by slowmkviii

This is not what is does
what does is do surge, idel bad, turn over with no fire, turn over slow and so on

Sorry not sure what you were getting at. Its hard to start and when I get it started it has a terrible idel.

Posted by: 99 Towncar

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentalan

I had a similiar problem and it was my IAC valve.

I replaced that last year.

Along with my fuel pump because I thought I had a bad fuel pump at first.

Posted by: 99 Towncar

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Originally Posted by midi_junkie

might be your alternator.

I just changed my battery and I had my alternator checked at the time and it was fine.

Posted by: 99 Towncar

I did recently have to fix a vacum line on the intake.

And had my cowel drain pan filling up and overflowing into my heater vent.

Posted by: midi_junkie

alternator.

Posted by: 99 Towncar

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Originally Posted by midi_junkie

alternator.

I will have it checked again.

Posted by: slowmkviii

sounds like a vacum line

Posted by: 99 Towncar

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Originally Posted by slowmkviii

sounds like a vacum line

I fixed that.

It threw some codes at me last night. Too lean Bank 1 and too lean bank 2.

I had a friend of mine with a really nice code scanner come over and check it out.

TPS 18.8
rpm 856
load 22.4
maf lb/m .55
ct% 200
iat (degrees f) 54
ign adv 15
ltftrm1 18.8
stftrm1 (jumped around from -.8 to -2.3 I think)
ltftrm2 20.3
stftrm2 jumped around(-3.9 to -2.3)
fuel system closed loop
o2 .1 to .850

My problem is I'm not sure what the different components are? Does anyone know?

Posted by: ground_zero298

It would be your IAC. Cause turn over with no start, or starts and just dies, if you hold the gas it will run and clank (not good) surgeing, and wierd idle. Usually only will do it when it is cold outside.
IAC won't throw a code.

Posted by: slowmkviii

still sounds like a vacum line make shure all lines are tight and just clean the IAC to make shure it is working

Posted by: 99 Towncar

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Originally Posted by slowmkviii

still sounds like a vacum line make shure all lines are tight and just clean the IAC to make shure it is working

I took the Idle Control Valve off and it still looked clean. I just replaced it last year. I also checked the vacum lines, they all seem to be tight and there is no hissing sounds that I can hear where there would be a leak. I do have quite a bit of ticking noise coming from around the fuel injector area.

Acording to the dreaded autozone a too lean bank one and bank two codes together could be:

-fuel pressure
-mass air flow sensor defective
-oxygen sensor defective
-Ignition misfire-repair
-Fuel injector problem

I have some fuel injectors on the way and at this point I doing know if I need to start replacing sensors or what.

I have also been told to look for a intake manifold leak as well.

Posted by: slowmkviii

have you tried to clean your maf
you can also check your own fuel prissure there is a schaeder (sp) valve on tlhe fuel rail

Posted by: 99 Towncar

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowmkviii

have you tried to clean your maf
you can also check your own fuel prissure there is a schaeder (sp) valve on tlhe fuel rail

I'm pretty sure its an intake manifold leak.

Posted by: 99 Towncar

Well it was an intake manifold leak. I went ahead and updated the intake manifold while I was at it. And I figured while I was doing that I might as well go ahead and do the PI intake swap for more horsepower.

Posted by: slowmkviii

The new one looks nice

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