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Posted by: Joeychgo

Where are all my politics people? Nothing to talk about? Wierd

Posted by: shagdrum

I could start bitchin about liberals...
Maybe it will piss some people off enough to post.

Posted by: bufordtpisser

Must be a national hibernation going on, because all of the forums are dead.

Posted by: midi_junkie

i hope obama gets his by a bus whilst pushing clinton in a baby carriage.

Posted by: Jayce 1971

(not to sound biggoted in any way, but...) Which is the country less likely to vote for? An african american who's name rhymes with Osama, or a woman? These would be firsts, and people don't seem to like drastic change. Don't get yer panties in a bunch. (Try) to have faith...(Difficult after the last several elections, I know) that the general population is working harder to ensure the right person for the job is the one who gets it.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by Jayce 1971

(not to sound biggoted in any way, but...) Which is the country less likely to vote for? An african american who's name rhymes with Osama, or a woman? These would be firsts, and people don't seem to like drastic change. Don't get yer panties in a bunch. (Try) to have faith...(Difficult after the last several elections, I know) that the general population is working harder to ensure the right person for the job is the one who gets it.

The race and gender issues are non-issues with the population, they wouldn't be important if the candidates, Clinton in particular but Obama's supporters too, didn't keep introjecting it into the campaign...

It's amazing that while we DO live in a country where race and gender are not obstacles to success, liberals continue to MAKE it a divisive wedge.

It's not drastic change in anyway.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

It's not drastic change in anyway.

Ya, like electing true socialists would not be a drastic change.

Look at the Dem candidates.

A woman who is at best a b tch, at worst, a lying sniveling lifetime politician.

A black man, qualified only because he is black and doesn't have a damn clue about the world.

A white guy ambulance chasing lawyer who happens to be a metro-sexual, prim and proper and at best a lightweight.

The fact that 50% of this Country is going to vote for one of these three should be the 5-alarm fire going off in your head.

If we elect one of these three, we will get attacked.
If we elect of one these three, your taxes will most assuredly double.
If we elect one of these three, the Patriot Act won't measure up to the nanny state that will be implemented.
If we elect one of these three, forget about our competitiveness in the world. We will succumb to the takers in this Country that will hold a super-majority for decades to come. Entitlements will drown the Country.

Our problems will need to get much worse, the pain more intense, the suffering more intolerable before the Country takes of the rose colored glasses and returns to true conservatism. True compassionate conservatism.

Posted by: Joeychgo

My fear is that this will end up like the last election.

I felt like I was choosing which bullet I wanted to be shot in the head with.

Honestly, right now, I have no clue who I will be voting for in the general.

Posted by: glanga

Well according to Oprah, Obama is "The One" so he's got my vote! Hopefully he'll turn out as good as Neo in The Matrix since Oprah is much like The Oracle herself. That's what I'm basing my vote on this election.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Honestly, right now, I have no clue who I will be voting for in the general.

I know I won't be putting a crayon mark next to any 'D' for Prez. On the Repub side, I still haven't made a decision between national security and national economics.

Posted by: shagdrum

Hillary Clinton eats babies!!!

Obama rapes goats!!

...discuss

Posted by: shagdrum

Seriously, I think the republican nomination will come down to Romney and McCain. Hillary will get the Dem nod.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Ya, Hillary is playing the race and gender card.

She decided there are more white women than blacks that vote. Pretty much what it boils down to.

I also see the McCain Romney duel. I'd like to hear who their V.P's would be before a finalist is decided.

Posted by: glanga

If it came down to Hilary and McCain which I think it will personally.....who would you all go for?

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by glanga

If it came down to Hilary and McCain which I think it will personally.....who would you all go for?

McCain (while holding my nose)

Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

McCain (while holding my nose)

Ditto

Posted by: fossten

Neither. My vote doesn't count anyway.

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Ditto

In my case, the vote would be against Hillary, not for McCain. I don't want to put words in Joey's mouth, but I assume his vote would be along the same lines. In fact, in the situation you discribed, most of McCain's votes would be anti-Hillary votes, IMO.

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by fossten

Neither. My vote doesn't count anyway.

In the general election? Forgive my ignorance, but what way does Kentucky usually go (in regards to presidents)? Red or blue? In Kansas, I know that, if you are a democrat, your vote effectively doesn't count, in regards to the presidential election. Kansas has gone republican for as long as I can remember.

Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

Basically, if Hillary is the dem nominee, there is a 95% chance I'll vote republican just to vote against hillary.

Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by fossten

Neither. My vote doesn't count anyway.

Woah!

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

Dude, watch the video. That's all I ask.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Our problems will need to get much worse, the pain more intense, the suffering more intolerable before the Country takes of the rose colored glasses and returns to true conservatism. True compassionate conservatism.

Did you read the Bob Novak column earlier mentioning that Obama might appoint John Edwards to the position of Attorney General!??

Illinois Democrats close to Sen. Barack Obama are quietly passing the word that John Edwards will be named attorney general in an Obama administration.

Posted by: Joeychgo

I like to think about it this way...

If your Republican, what Democrat would you like to see if you HAD to have a Democrat as president. The reverse as well. If your a Democrat, what Republican would you like to see win if it had to be a Republican. Keep in mind who has a realistic chance to win.

So looking at the field, if I have to choose between Hillary and Obama, I gotta go with Obama. I cant make up my mind on the republican side but im leaning McCain. My fear is Romney / Hillary - which will be the "Which bullet do I wanna be shot with" scenario I mentioned before.

My general election vote will likely be meaningless anyway, Illinois is still voting Blue at this point, and both Hillary and Obahma are from Illinois. SO barring something unknown, I expect Illinois will vote blue no matter what.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

I like to think about it this way...

If your Republican, what Democrat would you like to see if you HAD to have a Democrat as president. The reverse as well. If your a Democrat, what Republican would you like to see win if it had to be a Republican. Keep in mind who has a realistic chance to win.

So looking at the field, if I have to choose between Hillary and Obama, I gotta go with Obama. I cant make up my mind on the republican side but im leaning McCain. My fear is Romney / Hillary - which will be the "Which bullet do I wanna be shot with" scenario I mentioned before.

My general election vote will likely be meaningless anyway, Illinois is still voting Blue at this point, and both Hillary and Obahma are from Illinois. SO barring something unknown, I expect Illinois will vote blue no matter what.

If I HAD to choose a Democrat as President, I'd choose...um...uh...

Andrew Jackson.

He was a lot like Ron Paul.

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by fossten

If I HAD to choose a Democrat as President, I'd choose...um...uh...

Andrew Jackson.

He was a lot like Ron Paul.

What about Truman? He dropped the bomb!!

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

If I had to choose between Hillary or Obama, probably Obama. He is all style and no substance. I seriously doubt he will get much accomplished, as he won't know how and doesn't have strong convictions, it seems. No leadership there. Hillary, on the other hand, just scares the crap out of me. While she is hardly a leader, she can (and many times does) beat her opposition into submission (politically speaking). While I doubt she would actually accomplish much, what she did would be terrible.

Posted by: Joeychgo

I pretty much agree. But there is one big point of difference. I know Hillary will be a dividing force, something we have had 7 years of and dont need any more of. I think Obama is inexperienced but intelligent. He can at least fake it.

I just plain dont like Romney, and McCain, I have 2 big concerns. One is that he will die in office. The other is that he has buddied up to the "good ol boy" network the last few years and I am afraid he will just be another old fart looking out for the rich and screwing the middle class.

However, if any of them came out in support of http://www.fairtax.org -- they would really get my attention in a positive way.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

I just plain dont like Romney...

Why is that? Just because he's too photogenic, some disagreement with policy, or is it a religious thing?

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

McCain.... One is that he will die in office.

Guess you haven't seen his 94 year old geneticist.

4 years? No problem. 8 years? We'll talk about that in 4.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

I just plain dont like Romney, and McCain, I have 2 big concerns. One is that he will die in office. The other is that he has buddied up to the "good ol boy" network the last few years and I am afraid he will just be another old fart looking out for the rich and screwing the middle class.

This is a very good point that Joey has sort of backed into. For all of you who say "oh, this candidate has no experience," or "this guy has experience governing," I heard this on the radio today and it makes sense:

Being experienced in politics is like being experienced in sex. If you're too experienced, you're a whore. (McCain?)

Experienced politicians = insiders.

Posted by: bufordtpisser

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Originally Posted by fossten

Yeah, but sometimes it pays to be a whore. At least you know who you can screw without the risk of catching something. Sometimes the easiest way to get your agenda to the top is to know who you can step on to rise above the peons below you. At least with McCain, he has been around long enough to have dirt on almost anyone who would go against his policies. Hopefully he has more dirt on them than they have on him. It really is a sad state of affairs when we are coming to another presidential election and it is more about who we want to vote against than who we want to vote for.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

It really is a sad state of affairs when we are coming to another presidential election and it is more about who we want to vote against than who we want to vote for.

It's always been like that, because there is no such thing as the perfect candidate. With few rare examples, you're always voting for some kind of compromise- such is the nature of politics.

Bush/Kerry
Bush/Gore
Clinton/Dole
Clinton/Bush
Bush/Dukakis
Reagan/Mondale
Reagan/Carter
Carter/Ford
Nixon/McGovern
Nixon/Humphrey
Johnson/Goldwater
Kennedy/Nixon
Eisenhower, Stevens

Without the benefit of hindsight, how many of those elections didn't involve some kind of compromise?

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by fossten

Being experienced in politics is like being experienced in sex. If you're too experienced, you're a whore. (McCain?)

I like that. That is funny!! Also very true!! Good post!

Posted by: shagdrum

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

Especially today, with the overexposure of the canidate in the media, it really comes down to a choice for the "lesser evil". I really can't speak on Reagan (I was born in 1980), but Bush, Clinton and Bush have been that way. No presidential canidate can come across as the right canidate, like FDR seemed to at the time, or (I assume) Washington, maybe Lincoln? (to some). Traditionally, the canidates have been less then perfect, and choosing between them has been to choose the lesser evil. With the overexposure in the 24 media today, that is pretty well a given. If Jesus Christ was running against Hitler, the media would find a story they could spn as "bad" about Christ and run with it.

"Will Jesus bring too much religion to the White House?"

Posted by: fossten

Describing McCain as "less than perfect" is an understatement. Sort of like describing Charles Manson as "not a very nice guy" or Ted Kennedy as "a fat drunk."

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by shagdrum

"Will Jesus bring too much religion to the White House?"

Christ hung out with undesirables, but Hitler loved his dog.....