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Custom CAI

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Posted by: NathanTroy

Do any of you guys have a custom cold air intake?
If so pictures and partlist would be very helpful.
I have Advance or Autozone right down the street.

Thanks,
Nate

Posted by: 04SCTLS

It would help if we knew the year of your car.
Here's my Autozone setup for an 04 which should be the same for 03-06.
I cut down the original airbox and used that and a universal cone filter which is available in blue, red, or grey.
There's just enough lip left at the shortest point for it to work.
That's all the parts required.
You must remove the MAF sensor before making the cut so it doesn't get damaged. Also the filter must be secured so it doesn't move around.
I used a couple of electrical ties in series.
Since this pic was taken I also cut off the silencer chambers that are part of the elbow and capped the holes for a sweeter sound.
Made a noticeable difference.
I bought a second complete airbox assembly off ebay for 45.00
to have in case I want to take my car to the dealer for engine warranty work.
Also wanted the stock airbox if I decide to sell the car down the road in a few years.

Posted by: NathanTroy

I also have a 2004 Lincoln LS V8. Thanks for the help

Posted by: NathanTroy

How did you cap the rest of the air box? It looks good

Posted by: 04SCTLS

I cut some caps out of the big silencer chamber after I cut it off.
Roughed up both surfaces and used an adhesive we have here at work called Silaseal.
There's a second chamber that is on the underneath and is not visible in the pic. It's just a round hole.
Also added some sheetmetal screws and let it cure overnight as some guys have had the pieces seperate.
Break off any glue film on the inside that may come off and fly into the engine when it warms up.
I believe others have found that JB Weld which any hardware store has worked well without using screws but I like to have mechanical fasteners to make sure it doesn't crack like a year later.
You can also use rivets.

Posted by: NathanTroy

That was a good idea man. I will be doing the same. Thanks for taking a picture of that.

I will let you know how it works. Do you have more performance?

Posted by: loud00ls

you could do it this way, im sure it will work about the same as my 00.

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Posted by: NathanTroy

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Originally Posted by loud00ls

you could do it this way, im sure it will work about the same as my 00.

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That is nice to. Where did you get the elbow?

Posted by: 04SCTLS

The problem with that is there's no boss to put the MAF Sensor into on the 03-06 cars.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

If you got the right size elbow you could glue them together and add some fasteners.

Posted by: NYC LS8

Stick a short piece of pipe between the intake tube and elbow and it'll work on the 03+ cars.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

I'd say there's a real performance increase and the sound is very sweet.
Going through to the underneath of the car will give you colder air but I haven't noticed any difference from when the engine is cold to when it warms up on mine.
Also there's a slight risk of picking up water in heavy rain and having it sucked into the engine.
You could star with my setup then go with the elbow later.
Some people put a second elbow in and have the filter horizontal in the lower grille also.

Posted by: NathanTroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

I'd say there's a real performance increase and the sound is very sweet.
Going through to the underneath of the car will give you colder air but I haven't noticed any difference from when the engine is cold to when it warms up on mine.
Also there's a slight risk of picking up water in heavy rain and having it sucked into the engine.
You could star with my setup then go with the elbow later.
Some people put a second elbow in and have the filter horizontal in the lower grille also.

Thanks for all the help guys. I think I will go with 04sctls setup. I have messed up a car before by sucking water up the intake. I don't want to mess this car up. I will start on it tommarrow and let you guys know how it works.
Thanks,
Nate

Posted by: loud00ls

you can buy those elbows in many different sizes at almost any local hardware store that sells PVC piping.

Posted by: loud00ls

my filter actually sits right behind my foglight, keeping the overspray of water out of contact with the filter. When i go to the track i can also remove my fog light and have a ram air effect, i have seen a gain of few hundreths of a second in my 1/8mile time by doing so.

Posted by: NYC LS8

Nathan - There's always this heat shield that you can fab up if you want to keep the filter under the hood..

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/att...0&d=1173965822

Posted by: 04SCTLS

An alternate way of making a heatshield if you want to later is to mount the filter then take a piece of boxboard then using a marker and a boxcutter and/or sizzors cut out a pattern that fits well to your particular custom setup then transfer it to a more permanent material like sheetmetal or aluminum.

Posted by: NathanTroy

Okay,

I made my custom intake. I did not remove everything. I just cut the filter end off and put a Advance Auto performance filter on.

I also put Flowmaster 40 series on. I did not remove the resinators. It sounds really good and is not to loud. I am actually very impressed with the sound. I have owned a 400 plus horsepower camaro with the same exhaust.

Here is the problem,

How long will it take my cars computer to get use to everything? It feels like the car is slow off the line. Once the air starts moving it really moves though.

What do you guys think? Pics will be coming out soon!

Posted by: NathanTroy

hey guys will you take a look!

Posted by: 04SCTLS

Should reset within 100 miles.
Mine felt great off the start.
Of course I had already reflashed my ECM with the SCT Livewire.
It and the XCal2 flasher are next to the CAI the best mod you can do to the LS.
It's good for about 15 hp and takes that starting flatness from the throttle by wire right out, giving the car a much crisper response with great seat of the pants pull.
Don't bother doing any exhaust work for more power as the 2nd gen exhaust is as good as it gets already. If you want it louder ok but you won't get any real power bang for the buck.

Posted by: DunItRight

I think it should only take about 15 miles, but with out that heat shield or the intake filter outside of the engine bay, that is just the way it seems to be. It will suck in the hot air around the engine bay till it starts moveing and gets circulated a bit.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: NathanTroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by DunItRight

I think it should only take about 15 miles, but with out that heat shield or the intake filter outside of the engine bay, that is just the way it seems to be. It will suck in the hot air around the engine bay till it starts moveing and gets circulated a bit.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Dude,

That is exactly what it feels like. Maybe I should get an elbow or something. I will get the tuner next. Who is the person I need to talk to again?

Posted by: 04SCTLS

My car pulls hard right off the start.
The bog is in the tune.
I'd get the tuner first before going with the elbow.
contact Torrie@fastpartsnetwork.com

Posted by: 02V8Sport

my cai

Posted by: NathanTroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02V8Sport

my cai

do u have a parts list?

Posted by: NathanTroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

My car pulls hard right off the start.
The bog is in the tune.
I'd get the tuner first before going with the elbow.
contact Torrie@fastpartsnetwork.com

I will do that?

Posted by: 02V8Sport

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanTroy

do u have a parts list?

1. 2003+ T-Bird K&N Typhoon intake.
2. 2-90 degree 4" Sewer grade(thinner) PVC elbows 1 for top and 1 under car
3. about 18" of 4" Sewer PVC
4. 3" to 4" PVC rubber reducer.
5. Dremel out the hole under the stock airbox as big as you can to get the 4" piping through.
6. 4" flexible drain hose to connect air filter to PVC tubing under car.
7. K&N DryCharger filter cover to keep filter dry and dirt free.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

That's a very nice setup.

Here's a link to a thread about the xcal2
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/sho...ght=xcal2+sale

Posted by: Quik LS

Here is starting thread on the XCal (post #8) -> http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=3541

Posted by: 04SCTLS

Hey NathanTroy
I also have a 400+ hp Camaro.
It's a S/C 97 A4 LT-1 Vert and a bit louder(!) under WOT than the LS but now I only take it out on nice days
and to scare the g/f now wife booting off a light.
It's like a controlled explosion!!! LOL!

Posted by: NYC LS8

Here's what I just ordered from Intake Hoses.com to make mine similar to 02V8Sport's and loud00ls' set-ups:

C40B-350X3 Silicone Sleeve 3.5" ID X 3" Long - Gloss Black (2)
434-446PE Aluminized Steel Elbow 4" OD X 90 Degree Short Radius - One Longer Leg (1)
AL35X4 Aluminum Intake Tubing 3.5" OD X 4" Long (1)
64060 Stainless Worm-Gear Clamp for 3.5" ID Hoses (4)

Along with that, I plan on cutting off the 2 silencers much like 04SCTLS did.

Should be here hopefully before next weekend so I can work on it then. I'll have pics when it's all said and done.

Posted by: n8bachelor

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LSC

Here's what I just ordered from Intake Hoses.com to make mine similar to 02V8Sport's and loud00ls' set-ups:

C40B-350X3 Silicone Sleeve 3.5" ID X 3" Long - Gloss Black (2)
434-446PE Aluminized Steel Elbow 4" OD X 90 Degree Short Radius - One Longer Leg (1)
AL35X4 Aluminum Intake Tubing 3.5" OD X 4" Long (1)
64060 Stainless Worm-Gear Clamp for 3.5" ID Hoses (4)

Along with that, I plan on cutting off the 2 silencers much like 04SCTLS did.

Should be here hopefully before next weekend so I can work on it then. I'll have pics when it's all said and done.

I can't wait to see pictures of your settup. I would like to do something similar with mine. I have the KKM on it right now but would love to move the filter element to outside the engine compartment. I am thinking with similar pieces I can do just that.

Posted by: NYC LS8

Parts won't be here until the 22nd.

And I hope I mis-typed that 4" pipe part of the list. If I didn't, I'm screwed because the other stuff I bought with it won't fit. *d'oh*

Posted by: NYC LS8

I didn't mis-type that. God dammit.

Posted by: 04SCTLS

Well, maybe for next year's season I'll add a few elbows and parts but I was just wondering if the extra pipiing toned down the engine note.
Mine is open right next to the TB and with the silencers cut off adds more to the way the car sounds then the Mina Jag Mufflers.
Now with the colder weather and the winter coming I don't think ther'll be much if any improvement adding more piping.
I think I'll go with just a heatshield first.
When you guys get done doing your setups let us know how it sounds.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04SCTLS

Well, maybe for next year's season I'll add a few elbows and parts but I was just wondering if the extra pipiing toned down the engine note.
Mine is open right next to the TB and with the silencers cut off adds more to the way the car sounds then the Mina Jag Mufflers.
Now with the colder weather and the winter coming I don't think ther'll be much if any improvement adding more piping.
I think I'll go with just a heatshield first.
When you guys get done doing your setups let us know how it sounds.

I had this setup on mine since my 02 LS and now I have it on my 04. It doe tone down the sound a lot to get the filter out of the engine bay. If you get snow it is not a great idea to have the filter out of the bay, the salt and wetness will kill the filter as it did mine. I just put the filter back in the engine bay for the winter. It doesnt make much of a difference when its freezing cold out anyway.

Posted by: NYC LS8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02V8Sport

. It doesnt make much of a difference when its freezing cold out anyway.

Agreed!

I'm mainly doing this for the big shootout in Georgia in a couple of weeks. When I get back, I'll just leave the regular KKM hooked up until Spring time.

Posted by: MaroonLS

If you view my photo gallery you can see the build of my cai and ram air I guess you could call it..

I made it out of 3" 1/16"wall aluminum tubing and 3" thin wall pvc elbows, two 3" Fernco rubber boots for pvc. if you built it all out of pvc you could glue the elbows and coupling on but I used aluminum pipe so I had to hose clamp the pipe in the fittings kinda gives it that tunner look though, I like it sounds awsome and added a lot of pull to the power range on the car It just pulls and dont stop. kinda like an old big block car...

Posted by: NYC LS8

Well, I got my stuff from IntakeHoses.com. First, they screwed up my address and I had to call UPS to straighten it out. Then they screwed up on the worm clamps that I ordered, so I emailed them and they're sending out the correct ones - at no charge - that should be here by Friday. Sh*t happens, and I understand that, so all is well.

Eventually, I'm going to buy a 45 degree piece that goes from the throttle body to the MAF housing and have two fittings welded on to mimmick the stock set-up, but that'll come at a later date.

Hopefully I can get to fabbing this up this weekend and my next reply here is of some pictures. Never know what problems I'm gonna run into converting my old '95 LSC to coils, so...keep your fingers crossed.

Posted by: MaroonLS

Posted by: NYC LS8

Didn't quite work out as I'd hoped.

First off, the 4" pipe makes for a tight fit especially with that bracing in the way. I did my best to bend it out of the way, but with working on it at my apartment, I'm limited in the tools I can use.

Secondly, the filter sits FAR too low to the ground for a car that's kinda daily driven and driven in the rain. I'm going to have to get another 90 degree piece to make the filter go towards the bumper instead of the ground.

I AM going to run the pipe through the fender with no air filter when I run the car at the track. I also plan on picking up a 45 degree piece to replace the stock rubber tubing off the throttle body and have two fittings welded on to accomodate the vacuum lines.

With the 6" piece of 3.5" pipe, I was able to move the filter a little further away from the engine, which will hopefully help a little bit. The second worm clamp closer to the MAF housing is to hold the brace that comes with the KKM.

Wish it would've worked out. Sure looked cool going through the fender!

Posted by: GWL

Here is an old thread with many custom CAI setups. http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=36214

Posted by: fonsito

Very nice setups guys! I will make mi CAI but i will try to use a AEM Intake Bypass Valve for the water

Posted by: MaroonLS

Ok I finally figured it out here we go... just a simple set up and now I have made true cold air and built a heat shield out of some stainless..hope I didnt put to many pics up sorry for inconvenience.

Posted by: lincoln00

sorry wrong thread

Posted by: lincoln00

So what kind of power have been got from one of these...

Posted by: mrshl13

MaroonLS: That's exactly what I'm doing and it looks great! What are the dimensions of the shield?

Posted by: hite337

heres mine. more pics at http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934897/1

Posted by: rickztahone

hite337 did you route something to the filter for fresh air?

Posted by: NYC LS8

You don't really need to route anything to it. Judging by the IAT readings from my ScanGaugeII, once the car gets moving, the air entering the engine is the same as whatever the outside air temp is. All you really need to do it block off the filter from the extremely hot engine air and you're all set. Like I mentioned in my ScanGaugeII thread, intake air temps I've seen on an 88 degree day were almost double the outside temperature while sitting at a light. Insanity.

Posted by: 02V8Sport

no heat soak down here.

Posted by: JWerner2

Does that ribbed plastic tube do anything to the air flow?

Posted by: 02V8Sport

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWerner2

Does that ribbed plastic tube do anything to the air flow?

No, there is only about 18 inches of that ribbed tubing with the angles I had to get around. The rest going all the way to the throttle body is 4" smooth piping. The 3" that fit through the stock hole under the air box choked the car at higher RPM's. I dremeled out the hole to fit 4" piping.

Posted by: JWerner2

Is the diameter on the 03+ larger than the 2000-2002?

Posted by: 02V8Sport

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWerner2

Is the diameter on the 03+ larger than the 2000-2002?

I dont believe so.

Posted by: JWerner2

So are the intake kits from LSK 3" or 4"?

I could have swore they are 3".

Mind you I am talking of the first generation LS.

Posted by: rickztahone

gen 1 is 3" not sure about gen 2's

Posted by: hite337

i didnt open it up any, there are some good size holes but i am gonna use the top of my stock filter box to funnel fresh air to the filter area with 4" tubing. i may cut the holes a little bigger then.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934897/1