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Buick Riviera Vs Mark VIII

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Posted by: Hammerdinz

Are they serious? Anyone agree with this review?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OhVQGdDa2I

Posted by: dRock95MarkVIII

That's not the same guy from the 1997 Mark VIII owner guide video, is it?

Posted by: lscmkviii

Thats a joke right?

Posted by: mespock

Ummm... so who's going go be driving over the bumpy roads? Is that something you do often...

Which car can you modify more?

This is only a sale to the lame few who are looking for comfort...

I didn't buy my Mark VIII's for a 6th person to ride nor a 5th, 4th, or 3rd. If they want to ride that's up to them I really don't car...

The Riviera looks like it has a suppository shoved up its @ss.

And this is only talking Stock cars...

Posted by: Calabrio

That must be some kind of promotional video for GM. It's probably what they show to their car salesmen.

Posted by: mespock

Also they are comparing those Gen II's.... it would be different if it was a
Gen I Can't wait for the Chickman LOL

Posted by: styledyversatyle

shouldnt the comparison be between the Mark 8 and the Eldorado or something?

Posted by: mespock

Well it is a GM training video as this one states Video Link

Posted by: Iszi

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Originally Posted by styledyversatyle

shouldnt the comparison be between the Mark 8 and the Eldorado or something?

Agreed. Haven't even looked at the vid (YouTube blocked at work) but I really don't think it's fair comparing a 2-door to a 4-door. In most cases, the 2-door will lose in terms of passenger luxury/comfort, but will kick the 4-door's arse in terms of performance and style!

Posted by: 97markviii

Riviera's are two doors. It is *supposedly* Buicks Mark series, so to say.

Posted by: Iszi

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Originally Posted by 97markviii

Riviera's are two doors. It is *supposedly* Buicks Mark series, so to say.

Bleh... shows how much attention I pay to Buicks. I didn't know they had 2-door models. I don't know how they say the cars are remotely comparable, though. For example, the Rivieras available in the Mark VIII age (according to Wikipedia) came with an optional supercharged V6 rated to 240 hp, whereas the Mark VIII's stock V8-based drivetrain put out 280 hp in base models, and 290 on LSCs with the only notable difference between them being the rear end and exhaust.

Add in mespock's comment of "which car can you mod more?" and the Riviera is

. Then again, that's just the opinion of someone who likes a little "go" along with his "show".

Posted by: MERIJONS97LSC

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Originally Posted by mespock

Also they are comparing those Gen II's.... it would be different if it was a
Gen I Can't wait for the Chickman LOL

Your right! good thing they didn't use a gen.1, That would of made the riviera even appear better!! LOL!

If they suppose to be compairing "PERSONSAL" luxury vehicles, Who cares about rear leg room. and since I don't intend on driving my Mark on rail road tracks, I'll stick with my stiffer suspension. And if you slap a super charger on any V6 you'd get more horse powder-DAH!!!!.There is no comparison to their 3.8 V6 and the Marks 4.6 dohc 32v V8.
How about comparing the two today!! LOOK WHAT CARS THE 4.6 DOHC 32V ENGINES ARE IN TODAY!!

And the riviera's body style is a takeoff of the Ford TAURUS!!!

Posted by: Iszi

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Originally Posted by MERIJONS97LSC

Your right! good thing they didn't use a gen.1, That would of made the riviera even appear better!! LOL!

Hehe... "horse powder"... I'm not sure about that. My step-dad's Bonneville has the same supercharged V6 as the Riviera, and my dead '93 could still clean its clock at the track!

Posted by: LINCBRA

I wish that they went through with the Super Mark.

Posted by: phreakness

NM: my same comment was posted earlier.

Posted by: Danlboi

What a bunch of !!

I concur with "who's going to be riding in the back seat?" and "I'm not planning on riding over any railroad ties any time soon".

The Riviera makes me want to

Bleh...that's 3 minutes and 45 seconds I'll never have back...

Posted by: chickenviii

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Originally Posted by MERIJONS97LSC

Your right! good thing they didn't use a gen.1, That would of made the riviera even appear better!! LOL!

i agree!! the gen 1 should be compared with a beretta!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if rich wants a war hes gonna get it LOL

Posted by: MERIJONS97LSC

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Originally Posted by chickenviii

i agree!! the gen 1 should be compared with a beretta!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if rich wants a war hes gonna get it LOL

YEA!!! GEN.2's ARE YOUNGER AND MORE VIRAL

.."WE STRONG LIKE BULL"[/b]LOL! The cars that is, not necessarily the drvers

Posted by: Brozly

Well, the Mark should'a been compared to the Eldo, and Riviera\Toranado to the Tbird and Cougars...

Posted by: mespock

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Originally Posted by chickenviii

i agree!! the gen 1 should be compared with a beretta!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if rich wants a war hes gonna get it LOL

Posted by: turborich

Just my 2 cents, Both the Mark VIII & the Lexus are far better vehicles than the Riviera! The Riviera was just plain ugly!

Posted by: Dmaup

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Originally Posted by turborich

Just my 2 cents, Both the Mark VIII & the Lexus are far better vehicles than the Riviera! The Riviera was just plain ugly!

I agree with that!...But also as someone said above take a look at the cars now and bet that the poor build quality that gm is notorious for will be much more evident in the car now. It seems that gm cars are solid for 50,000 miles or so then all the rattles come out.

Posted by: Frat-man-du

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Originally Posted by Brozly

Well, the Mark should'a been compared to the Eldo, and Riviera\Toranado to the Tbird and Cougars...

Agreed, it was that way till the T-Bird and Cougars went bye-bye...

Also - they dont talk about the LSC version...

Posted by: Calabrio

You know when you go to a car lot and the dealer says, " so what other cars are you looking at?"

These videos are where he gets his phoney answers. "Oh, yes. well, that Mark VIII does have a redesiged front end, and it makes 280hp, but this one.....(insert bullcrap here about car)"

It's a training sales pitch video.

Posted by: mespock

If you watch the other video with the comparison to the Lexus they basically address that it's for training.

And for a person walking off the street into a GM dealer to buy a new car... what else would you tell them... but BS... Ask the biggest BSer and ex-car salesman MonsterMark... LOL...

What I found funny was in the Mark VIII video he talks about the Mark VIII being better handling on the slalom but worse in the bumpy and boy what a bumpy road (I know everyone who bought a brand new $35,000+ car in 97 took it to the roughest roads to drive it).

He also down graded the Riv. on the slalom vs. the Mark VIII, but int the Lexus video he addresses the Riv on the slalom saying that you know already the great handling of the Riv. Hmmmmmm... sounds like a Politician speach... All half truths and full of lies that a chump would want to hear because they just don't know any better.

Anyway .... I like my Mark VIII's and that's about it... plus I'd buy a T-Bird over the Riviera anyday as once again... which car could you modify if you wanted to make it go faster... which car has the more potential...

Oh and another question if you were a new car buyer at the time.. (granted gas was below $1.00 a gallon when this add was put out). Which one gets better gas mileage that V-8 in the Mark VIII or that V-6 in the Riv.

And the dang thing is Front Wheel Drive! What kind of fun is that..

Posted by: JoshMcMadMac

I'm at work, so I can't see the video. I have a pretty good idea of what it says though. I won't disagree with you guys on all of that. I just wanted to chime in that when it comes to modifying, the supercharged 3.8L wins, hands down. With just a little work they can be putting cars into the 13's...all for less than the cost of a set of headers for the Mark VIII. The VIII is an awesome car, and you all have good points, but saying that it is easier/cheaper to mod it over the supercharged Riviera is off base.

Posted by: marcuseightus

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Originally Posted by JoshMcMadMac

I'm at work, so I can't see the video. I have a pretty good idea of what it says though. I won't disagree with you guys on all of that. I just wanted to chime in that when it comes to modifying, the supercharged 3.8L wins, hands down. With just a little work they can be putting cars into the 13's...all for less than the cost of a set of headers for the Mark VIII. The VIII is an awesome car, and you all have good points, but saying that it is easier/cheaper to mod it over the supercharged Riviera is off base.

Who's off base? No body said anything about being cheaper or easier to modifing a Mark 8 over the supercharged v6 Riviera! As a matter of fact the comparison was between the T-bird over a stock riviera!

Posted by: JoshMcMadMac

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Originally Posted by marcuseightus

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Originally Posted by mespock

Which car can you modify more?

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Originally Posted by Iszi

Add in mespock's comment of "which car can you mod more?" and the Riviera is

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Originally Posted by mespock

Anyway .... I like my Mark VIII's and that's about it... plus I'd buy a T-Bird over the Riviera anyday as once again... which car could you modify if you wanted to make it go faster... which car has the more potential...

Posted by: evillally

The 3800 is more modable, period. And it can be modified at a fraction of the price of any serious Modular engine modification. Don't forget that the Modular engine is only in its teen years. The GM 3800 and the Hydramatic drivetrain have been around since the dinosaurs walked the Earth.

Posted by: marcuseightus

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Originally Posted by JoshMcMadMac

OK!! NICE QUOTES.....NOW SHOW WHERE THEY SAY IT IS CHEAPER AND EASIER TO MOD A MARK 8!!!

YOUR READING SKILLS ARE EXEMPLARY,BUT YOUR COMPREHENSION NEEDS ALOT OF WORK!!!

Posted by: marcuseightus

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Originally Posted by evillally

The 3800 is more modable, period. And it can be modified at a fraction of the price of any serious Modular engine modification. Don't forget that the Modular engine is only in its teen years. The GM 3800 and the Hydramatic drivetrain have been around since the dinosaurs walked the Earth.

WHO SAID THEY WEREN'T? PERIOD!! NO ONE SAID IT WAS CHEAPER! THEY'RE LINCOLN MARK 8'S FOR GOD'S SAKE..IF YOU WANT CHEAP DRIVE A CHEVY!! OH! NEVER MIND YOU DO!!!

Posted by: rayner601

You can polish a terd all day long and at the end of the day you still got a piece of @#$%

Posted by: dnehthend

I hate when people compare styling, styling is completely an opinion... In my opinion the Riviera looks like a fish, though it can be argued that the Mark VIII looks like a whale.

Posted by: evillally

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Originally Posted by marcuseightus

WHO SAID THEY WEREN'T? PERIOD!! NO ONE SAID IT WAS CHEAPER! THEY'RE LINCOLN MARK 8'S FOR GOD'S SAKE..IF YOU WANT CHEAP DRIVE A CHEVY!! OH! NEVER MIND YOU DO!!!

What in the fvck are you arguing about? What is it you're trying to prove? And what the fvck are you YELLING ABOUT!!??

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I hate when people compare styling, styling is completely an opinion... In my opinion the Riviera looks like a fish, though it can be argued that the Mark VIII looks like a whale.

Good point. The ad lacks the styling selling points for the Riviera. They do a better job selling the Lexus' styling points (i.e; "sportier look") than they do for the Buick.

And yeah- the Riviera is ugly. I think the Riviera looks like the whale. I think Lincoln did a better job on styling than GM did on the Rivi. Comfortable and roomy- but ugly.

Posted by: Scorpio1118_2000

Any supercharged powerplant will respond well with a few mods, and they only compared riviera to the base model Mark VIII what where they afraid of? I have rode in a few modded front drivers and its kind of scary, with the extra torque they can make you never know when its gonna grab the the road. I dont know about you but if I had a choice I would choose a 400hp v8 rwd anyday over a 400hp fwd v6 every time.

Posted by: mespock

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Originally Posted by evillally

Guess I should have used the search feature more on the net.... My bad

Posted by: evillally

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Originally Posted by Scorpio1118_2000

I have rode in a few modded front drivers and its kind of scary, with the extra torque they can make you never know when its gonna grab the the road. I dont know about you but if I had a choice I would choose a 400hp v8 rwd anyday over a 400hp fwd v6 every time.

Hell yeah. I had way more stability in my Mark VIII and in my Camaro than I did with my FWD 3.8SC Pontiac GTP. I've spun-out more times in that car more than any other vehicle in my life. Once, I wiped-out across three lanes on the highway at 55MPH in the rain. Scary $hit, man.

That's why I went back to RWD; snow storms be damned!.

Ironic how my 330HP RWD vehicle out-performs my old FWD cars. Don't let anyone ever tell you that FWD has better traction.

Posted by: 96mark8

lmao that vid is all bs!!!!!!

Posted by: Scorpio1118_2000

Some pepole will say anything to sell a car,no one tells the truth so you wont know til you buy them. Or you can do what any smart person would and ask current owners, and thats why I wont get an Rx8. A cool car with not enough power,great handling and room for 4. And way over priced.

Posted by: mespock

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Originally Posted by evillally

That's why I went back to RWD; snow storms be damned!.

Ironic how my 330HP RWD vehicle out-performs my old FWD cars. Don't let anyone ever tell you that FWD has better traction.

I grew up on RWD and had RWD since the Mid 90's. Driving in snow is a matter of experience, and it's a lot more fun!

Posted by: kustomizingkid

I road in a well modded GTP, not quite a RIv but the same drivetrain. The thing was so freaking scary on the road. It would torque steer like mad and then the wheels would starts spinning and you would slide all over.

Posted by: Scorpio1118_2000

I drove a focus for 3 years befor I got my Mark VIII and I was making plans to put some power in it, but then I saw a few wrecks. And these cars were little terrors with big power in a straight line, but when you turn that wheel you could very well be hittin those gears for the last time. Needless to say I changed my mind, 200hp - 250hp is perfect for these cars any more could make them a deathtrap on wheels.

Posted by: smokymance

i doesnt matter whats cheaper or not to mod or whats better....id take a 4.6 over those 3.8s any day of the week....iv heard those 3.8s modded to the extreme or just bs bolt ons.....they all sound like me on the toilet the morning after a drunken night...

Posted by: mespock

Good one.... Not the the Mark VIII is God's gift to the autmobile world... but this thread sure shows we love our cars...

Something about the Mark VIII...

Posted by: MediumD

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Originally Posted by marcuseightus

OK!! NICE QUOTES.....NOW SHOW WHERE THEY SAY IT IS CHEAPER AND EASIER TO MOD A MARK 8!!!

YOUR READING SKILLS ARE EXEMPLARY,BUT YOUR COMPREHENSION NEEDS ALOT OF WORK!!!

The Thunderbird/Cougar didn't come into the discussion until well after the quotes JoshMcMadMac quoted. You have no place telling someone their reading comprehension needs work.

As far as mod potential, the L67 3800 series 2 SC is a serious contender.. I'd take an L67 over a SOHC modular... against the DOHC modular it's debatable.

Oh, and Eldo vs Mark VIII... the Eldo wins in every way except mod potential and having the proper drive wheels.

Posted by: marcuseightus

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Originally Posted by MediumD

Apparently you have no idea of what was discussed! "YOUR READING COMPREHENSION NEEDS WORK ALSO!" Your at the age (Pre-adult) who know everything! so there would be no point in trying to school you! your like the young bull who wants to run down the hill and have his way with a single cow! I'm like the old bull who will walk down the hill and have his way with the whole herd!

Posted by: rmac694203

This is amusing. Are you going to contribute, Marcus, or just argue about who said what? Seems to me you're the one who is coming off as immature. You sure schooled everyone didn't you.

As for the Riviera, I always thought they were ok looking, but the Mark VIII is 10 times better. My buddy had one that I rode in a few times, and it seemed nice, but I would never buy one. Didn't they come with air ride as well? I thought I remembered him having problems with his.

Posted by: marcuseightus

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Originally Posted by rmac694203

This is amusing. Are you going to contribute, Marcus, or just argue about who said what? Seems to me you're the one who is coming off as immature. You sure schooled everyone didn't you.

As for the Riviera, I always thought they were ok looking, but the Mark VIII is 10 times better. My buddy had one that I rode in a few times, and it seemed nice, but I would never buy one. Didn't they come with air ride as well? I thought I remembered him having problems with his.

Your right the mark is ten times better than the riviera! DON'T ASSUME YOU KNOW ME CHILD!! ANOTHER YOUNG BULL HEARD FROM!

Posted by: evillally

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(Spelling)Your right (Comma) the (Capitalize)mark is ten times better than the (Capitalize)riviera! (New paragraph, caps) DON'T ASSUME YOU KNOW ME CHILD!! ANOTHER YOUNG BULL HEARD FROM!(WTF is this?)

Your grammar comprehension needs help, also.

Where did this idiot come from? Send this assh0le back there, please.

Fvcking Internet children

Posted by: marcuseightus

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Originally Posted by evillally

Your grammar comprehension needs help, also.

Where did this idiot come from? Send this assh0le back there, please.

Fvcking Internet children

I LOVE IT! KEEP IT COMING!!

COME ON ! SHOW ME YOU GOT A SET!!

FEELS GOOD , GETS THE BLOOD FLOWING. I LOVE YOU GUYS!! YOUR LIKE MY OWN SONS!!!

Posted by: JoshMcMadMac

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Originally Posted by marcuseightus

I LOVE IT! KEEP IT COMING!!

COME ON ! SHOW ME YOU GOT A SET!!

FEELS GOOD , GETS THE BLOOD FLOWING.

Show me you got a set? First of all, for someone shouting "comprehension," one would think you might have at least a slight grasp of the English language. Second, and more importantly, you are begging for fulfillment over the internet.

To everyone else: there is a reason I stop responding to this guy: don't feed the troll.

Posted by: marcuseightus

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Originally Posted by JoshMcMadMac

To everyone else: there is a reason I stop responding to this guy: don't feed the troll.

I KNEW YOU CARED! By the way thats a good likeness of me.
Thank you, Now I'm finally fullfilled!

JUST REMEMBER! IT TAKES TWO ARGUE...SO THERE ARE TWO RETARDS!!!!

Posted by: rmac694203

So...how about them Cubs.

Posted by: mespock

Were's Frogman when you want to see him... Wonder what Dr. Paul would have added...

Posted by: MERIJONS97LSC

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Originally Posted by mespock

Were's Frogman when you want to see him... Wonder what Dr. Paul would have added...

He would have said "Check the search links"

Posted by: Calabrio

...I'm still trying to understand MediumD's irrational, unending favor of the Eldorado over that of the Mark VIII.

And I just ran into some overzealous middle aged guy in a S/C Riveria a few minutes ago. He heard the exhaust on my Mark VIII and started getting a little frisky at the stop lights. Fair to say, things didn't go well for him and the attitude was gone by the time he pulled up besides me waiting at the next stop light..

Posted by: MERIJONS97LSC

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

...I'm still trying to understand MediumD's irrational, unending favor of the Eldorado over that of the Mark VIII.

And I just ran into some overzealous middle aged guy in a S/C Riveria a few minutes ago. He heard the exhaust on my Mark VIII and started getting a little frisky at the stop lights. Fair to say, things didn't go well for him and the attitude was gone by the time he pulled up besides me waiting at the next stop light..

Hay! Calabrio, I bet you were towing you boat at the time (Loaded with fishing gear) too!!!LOL!

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by MERIJONS97LSC

Hay! Calabrio, I bet you were towing you boat at the time (Loaded with fishing gear) too!!!LOL!

No, to do it with a boat in tow would have just been rubbing salt in his wound.

Posted by: MediumD

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

...I'm still trying to understand MediumD's irrational, unending favor of the Eldorado over that of the Mark VIII.

It's pretty simple, I own one of each, I know the strong and weak points of each car very well.

Build quality is the #1 reason I favor the Eldo, the 92-95 Eldo interior is better than Gen 1 Marks, the 96-02 is better than the Gen 2 (although the gen 2 narrows the gap between the two.) Exterior styling is subjective, but the Eldo takes the win there IMO. Oh, and stock for stock, the Eldo wins in a straight line or around curves.

Posted by: mark0101

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

...I'm still trying to understand MediumD's irrational, unending favor of the Eldorado over that of the Mark VIII.

He is just a cadillac fan. I am lincoln fan, so I am not gonna try to convice someone of which is better then the other. I know how I feel about the mark vs eldo arrgument and I think you know which one I think is superior.

Posted by: Scorpio1118_2000

At one time I would have been on mediumd's side, I used to love the edlo. The looks the northstar V8 and the fact that it was a cadi, but then I was let down by the fact that its a front driver. Its still a nice car but it does not meet all needs and wants, then I found the mark. I was in a tbird at the time, and I always wanted one and now I do. The Mark VIII is the reason why I wont ever own an eldo. Its not the best but its what I like, everybody else can like what they want.

Posted by: turborich

The cadillac is faster? Not the one I raced. I guess it depends on a number of factors. The FWD though, EWWW! Other than that they are sharp looking cars. The marks are sexier though!

Posted by: MediumD

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Originally Posted by turborich

The cadillac is faster? Not the one I raced.

Keep in mind that there is the base Eldo and the ETC. Unlike the base Mark VIII and the LSC, the ETC actually has noticeably better accelerations (due to upgraded cams and 3.71 vs 3.11 gears.)

You may have beaten a base Eldo, but let me put it this way. My 94 Mark has beaten my friends 96 Mark and another friends 97 LSC every time, and my Eldo is over 3 tenths faster and traps 2mph higher than my Mark.

Posted by: mespock

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Originally Posted by Scorpio1118_2000

At one time I would have been on mediumd's side, I used to love the edlo. The looks the northstar V8 and the fact that it was a cadi, but then I was let down by the fact that its a front driver. Its still a nice car but it does not meet all needs and wants, then I found the mark. I was in a tbird at the time, and I always wanted one and now I do. The Mark VIII is the reason why I wont ever own an eldo. Its not the best but its what I like, everybody else can like what they want.

I agree... I use to love the looks of the mid 90's Eldos but when I drove the Mark VIII it was something wonderful.. Not the best but it just grabbed a hold of you.

I've been selling a bunch of Mark VIII parts to a 80 year old ex-air force guy in Kansas City... he as a Caddy man for many years... then drove the Mark VIII... then had to buy another to have 2 of them.. LOL...

Posted by: MERIJONS97LSC

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Originally Posted by mespock

I agree... when I drove the Mark VIII it was something wonderful

I agree, It is something wonderful....Even my wife said, There's something about me, When I'm driving my Mark VIII !

"KEEP ON THE HUMP!"

Posted by: Scorpio1118_2000

There are very cars that can make a person feel that way,but the MarkVIII is for one of them.

Posted by: thaywood

Just saw the video and it is deffinitely a GM salesperson training video. The one vital fact that was not mentioned is the drivetrain layout. The Mark VIII has REAR-WHEEL-DRIVE as opposed to the vastly inferior Front-Wheel-Drive layout in the Riviera. I am of the old school opinion that Front-Wheel-Drive is for sissies and REAL MEN DRIVE REAR-WHEEL-DRIVE!!! FWD should be reserved for little Japanese econocars with strut suspensions, not true sporty luxury coupes. In case it wasn't obvious, I ABSOLUTELY HATE FWD! I really wish that all cars were RWD like they were in the past. RWD has thankfully been making a come back in the automotive world. Unfortunately, it has been mostly in the high-end luxury segment that people like me can't afford. I am glad that I own a '96 Lincoln Mark VIII. It is the best car I have ever had and I plan to keep driving it until the wheels fall off. And I will never, ever own a FWD car...ever. The Mark is far superior to the Riviera in almost every way. The comparo should have been between the Mark VIII and the Cadillac Eldorado, its closest competition at the time. The Eldo was FWD also and based on essintially the same platform as the Riviera. The only exception being that the Eldo has a 4.6L DOHC Northstar V-8 making 275hp. Still the Mark would stomp it. Just look at any car magazine from that time and the evidence is clear.

Posted by: 93' Blue on blue

Watching that video made me want the VIII more! I sometimes park next to a dark red Riviera where i live. Will take a good look at it next time im tinkering in the car park.

Posted by: MediumD

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Originally Posted by Scorpio1118_2000

At one time I would have been on mediumd's side,

I don't really have a "side," I like both cars enough to own one of each. I just think the Eldo is better stock, and the Mark is better to modify.

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Originally Posted by thaywood

The Eldo was FWD also and based on essintially the same platform as the Riviera. The only exception being that the Eldo has a 4.6L DOHC Northstar V-8 making 275hp. Still the Mark would stomp it. Just look at any car magazine from that time and the evidence is clear.

Technically the Rivi is on the G platform and the Eldo is on the E platform - both are derivatives of the Seville K platform, but each is its own chassis designation.

The L37 version of the Northstar makes an even 300hp and 295ft.lbs.

While car mags are pretty damn inaccurate IMO, here's some bench racing for you:
1993 Cadillac ETC 6.7 15.00
1995 Cadillac ETC 6.6 14.80
1993 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.1 15.40
1995 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.6 15.80
1996 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.2 15.40
(Although I've seen stock examples of both of these cars pull off way better times than listed here.)

Posted by: russellhyde

The Mark8 shouldn't be compared to a Buick because it's a Lincoln, come on man, what is GM thinking about!!? And the Mark8 is much faster, regular & especially LSC!!! I whooped a mid-nineties model big body Impala back in 2000with my pearl white '94 Mark, which I got rid of back in 2003, & I know that particular Impala had 260hp with a corvette engine under the hood. Plus I just whooped an Infiniti M45 on the highway Sunday in my red '98 LSC & if I'm not mistaken that one has over 300 horses so I know that ain't no Buick Riviera gonna hang w/no MarkVIII...period!!!

Posted by: turborich

Check it out! Tonight as I was coming to a red light a Rivera pulls up next to me with some 20" wheels and reving his engine! I thought this is the perfect chance to see which car is really quicker. The light turned green and it was all over! I'm not even kidding when I say that half way into second gear I had already pulled him by at least 4 cars, maybe more. I figured it would be a good race, Boy was I wrong. He got smoked plain and simple! My car is all stock except for the following...

Stock air box with 4" hole, 93 ECU, straight pipes from before resonator on back.

On another note, I just put a 93 ECU in place of the 95 ECU and the car has really woke up in the mid to high rpm range. Best $20 bucks I ever spent!

Mark VIII's kick butt!!!

Posted by: MediumD

I can't understand why people handicap their cars with giant heavy wheels and try to race with them...

Posted by: cavemansmarkviii

I to have spent time in both the Gen2 LSC and my ex-wifes Eldo (not ETC), and the Mark seems faster, has more leg room, better finishing, and the correct drive wheels. The Eldo could be cheaper and I'd still pick the Mark in a heartbeat. No question in my mind.

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