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I was out tonight...... left my 1993 mark sit for about a hour. :"83 k no rust"
Came back and the dam thing wouldnt start.
It wouldnt turn over... I keep one of those Batt, Alt checkers that plug into the Cig lighter in the car " A must for any Mark owner ".
Everything checked ok.
Checked Bat. cables seemed ok and tight.
Still no start no turn over, like no Batt power.
I had lots of Batt. to run the windows ect.
Reset fuel pump switch in trunk still no power " I could hear a clicking sound in trunk "
Started to check fuses, every thing looked good.
On key bob I hit lock then unlock...... the anti theft on dash flashed I tryed to restart and she poped and ran fine, no problems restarting after that
I'm thinking the Anti theft was confused.
Anyone else ever have this happen ?
Posted by: BlntdEyez
Yeah it was def. your anti theft module. Sometimes when I'm driving down the road my horn starts going off for no reason at all.
Posted by: Dmaup
Mine will go off whenever i use the key to open the door, its really strange
Posted by: unity
Make sure you turn the key ALL the way. Even the owner's manual makes note that the alarm may go off if the key is not fully turned, just FYI. If its still a problem, then something is simply work out
I always use my keypad, never my key
Posted by: ford nut
That must have been it she is fine today.
Funny thing is I always use the key pad to unlock it must of just had a brain fart.
unity,
I tryed many times with the key all the way even put the car in drive and it locked the doors still no start untill I locked the doors rehit key bob untill the horn honked un locked door with key pad anti theft falshed and bingo it started.
Just somthing to rember I guess if it happens again.
Posted by: Iszi
Actually, I think the trick for you was when you opened and closed the trunk. At least, that's how I have to reset my step-dad's alarm when it goes SNAFU.
Posted by: ford nut
Ok I spoke too soon.
It did it again.
Key fob trick didnt work this time.
Just kept trying and it started after about ten min.
I'm thinking ignition switch or a anti theft problem.
Is there anyway to bypass the anti theft ?
Time to do a search.
Posted by: BlntdEyez
You disconnect it it is behind the glove box there is two clips. Not sure which one you disconnect though.
Posted by: ford nut
Thanks BlntdEyez
I found a pic and info at the .org site, and put the tools I need in the car so I will be ready if or I mean when it happens again.
Posted by: BlntdEyez
No problem
Posted by: Frat-man-du
Yeah, the alarm has a cut off for the ignition to keep thieves from driving off. 10-15 minute delay.
Posted by: ford nut
I am at the point were I hate this car, and cant trust it.
Disabled the anti theft still get a no start sometimes.
It stranded me 2 times this weekend.
On Friday it wouldnt start left it for about a hour came back and it started, On sat. I left it for over 3 hours, I had to have it towed home.
I can hear the relay under the hood clicking .
Tryed switching relays Sat night no help.
I wake up Sun morning and it starts just fine.
Ing. switch starter
Just not sure what to do.
I am sure glad I have somthing else to drive to get me to work and back.
Posted by: chickenviii
it could be the "PATS" system transponder (the ring around the ign cyl that picks up the signal from chip in the key) but without the scan tool i cant tell you if this will fix it for sure, does the theft light flash rapidly when it dosent start?
Posted by: ford nut
Its a Gen 1 no pats, I Disabled the anti theft .
When its in a no start condition I can hear the second relay clicking which tells me the ignition switch is doing its part.
Going to try to get it in a no start mode and check to see if I am getting power down at the starter,or put in my spare starter and see if that takes care of it.
Wont be able to get to it tell after the weekend.
Posted by: mespock
This sounds like the $hits... I've had mine run fine go into the store come out and nothing but mine was only a bad battery connection. Replaced the clamp and no problems. Yours sounds much different.
Posted by: ford nut
It sucks.
I love to drive this car, just cant trust it untill I get to the bottom of it.
Posted by: chickenviii
when it dosent start have some one turn the key and you check for power on the "s-wire" of the starter, the small wire (usually pink with a blue tracer) its in a fun location, but usually the connector and/or the wire itself gets corroded and dosent work
Posted by: ford nut
I will check it out chickenviii, thanks for the info
Posted by: ford nut
I think its fixed.
I had power to the starter.
I took the starter out of my 94 parts car and put it in my 93, it has started with no problems so far.
What a pain in the ass it is to change.
I think the solenoid is fried it is right next to the exhaust.
The plan is to take my old starter get it rebuilt then put it in my 93, take the 94 starter out and put it back in the 94.
I used anti seize on the threads hopefully it wont be such a fight to get back out.
Posted by: unity
Make a heat shield. Mine is fried and has been working fine for a while, but when its cold out it acts up badly. I have a new one to put in soon and when I do I am thinking of making a heat shield.
Posted by: ford nut
That aint a bad idea unity.
Maybe some header wrap around the pipe were the starter is.
Keep the heat away from the solenoid.
Posted by: halschmidt
I have got a clicking sound twice when I tried to start my 95 and the first time it clicked 3 times and then started the second it clicked 10 times. I think there is a bad place on the comuntator, so I am looking at getting a new starter, but I am not sure. How do you test it with it still on the car?
Posted by: mespock
Check your wires on the Battery first...
Posted by: halschmidt
The battery cables are clean and the battery is one year old. This is an intermittant thing, happened twice in 2 days out of 10 starts. That is why I think it is the comuntator (the part of the armature in the starter that the brushes hit)
Posted by: ford nut
Mine was the solenoid I replaced it and put it into the parts car cheaper then the whole starter.
Make sure you have power to the starter, if you do pull the starter its a hard one to get out use a swivel close to the ratchet with a 3 inch extension for the top bolt, use the swivel next to the socket and a 3 inch extension for the second highest bolt.
You can bench try the starter once its out.
I took the solenoid off the starter, took the starter apart and cleaned it greased the bearings hooked power the the cable and ground the case and it worked fine so I just went and got a solenoid for $45 and its been good since.
If the comuntator is good they also sell a kit to replace the brushes. http://www.napaonline.com/masterpages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=ECH&PartNumber= F516&Description=Starter+Brush+w%2f+Holder http://www.napaonline.com/masterpage...=11&SubCatId=4
Posted by: Bumpin_MarkVIII
i can exit my car and arm the anti theft system then after 30 seconds the light is still on and the alarm will sound and do all the fun flashing lights and horn noise and everything but it is really upsetting me cuz i can not figure out how to fix the problem ? my guess is it is a door or hood or trunk sensor but is there anyway to do a process of elimination to figure out the problem ??? please help
Posted by: ford nut
What year is your car Bumpin ?
I have heard of wd 40 on the relays helps my guess would be hood if the trunk a system check it should tell you trunk is open or a door is not shut.
Posted by: Moes8
also check your ign cyl lock,have you messed with that at all?i had replaced mine with another used one and it kept setting my alarm off,there is a little metal tab in there that "senses" if someone is trying to start the car without improperly,or trying to remove the cylinder to start the car,so check your door/hood sensors first,but dont over look the ignition cylinder either.
