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Can't wait for Mr. Fossten's responce!

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Posted by: mespock

October 2002

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16

Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim

Posted by: shagdrum

I like the sense of humor. One interesting fact about Dr. Laura, she and Tammy Bruce are close friends.
http://www.tammybruce.com/

"Tammy Bruce is an openly gay, pro-choice, gun owning, pro-death penalty, voted-for-President Bush authentic feminist. A lifelong Democrat, in the 1990s she worked to help elect Senators Feinstein and Boxer, and aided the Clinton for President campaign. Before we knew he was a sexual compulsive and "did not have sexual relations with that woman."

If I am correct, Dr. Laura wrote the forward to one of Mrs. Bruce's books. Here is an interesting article by Mrs. Bruce about Dr. Laura:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=1910

By Tammy Bruce
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 17, 2002

There are many defining moments in one’s life. Most of us consider those moments to be quite dramatic—a birth, a death, or a marriage. It is the more subtle events that also change us. For me, it was an unexpected phone call which introduced me to the world of integrity and principle. It was a call from Dr. Laura Schlessinger, who, by example, showed me how principle and integrity can be driving force in what one does. In all my years in the feminist movement, that was a lesson never taught.

I became friends with Dr. Laura under very unusual circumstances. In 1995, I was president of Los Angeles NOW and doing a great deal of work on domestic violence during and in the aftermath of the O.J. Simpson murder trial. It was then Patricia Ireland and National NOW called me ‘racially insensitive’ because I wasn’t focusing enough on the supposed racial issues involved with the case. How ironic that the feminist organization I represented was upset that I was focusing on the feminist issue!

The day NOW’s public assault began, the very first telephone call I received at home that morning was from Dr. Laura. I was shocked. What did Dr. Laura have to say to this lesbian feminist? She told me she was sorry NOW had attacked me. She encouraged me to continue my work. She said, despite our differences, she admired my work and my commitment to the issues. She told me to not let the public attacks affect my belief in myself or affect my principles. She asked for nothing. She did not gloat. Dr. Laura had called to encourage me and support me because she admired my principles.

All too often, in order the further social change, we have to focus on what’s gone wrong. Last week’s column did just that. I detailed for you how hypocrisy has invaded not just the Academic Elite this country but how damaging it is to all of our lives. Now it’s time to shine a big bright light on something that’s right—the fact that there are some people who actually have principles and live by them. That’s Dr. Laura.

Do I agree with everything Dr. Laura stands for? No, I don’t. And Dr. Laura certainly does not agree with all of my positions. My beef last week with the loopy professor Cloud was not her anti-America attitude (even though I despise the idea) it was the fact that she benefits from the very system she condemns. Yes, it is the hypocrisy I loathe. Funny enough, a friend of mine who did not like my tone in that column challenged me by saying that by focusing on hypocrisy I wasn’t dealing with the "issues"! For me, the hypocrisy of the powerful is the issue! What we do matters as much (if not even more) than what we say.

Unfortunately, our society frowns on people who stand on principle. Our culture, designed by the vapid and morally bankrupt Left, actually lauds and supports people who are corrupt and hypocritical. Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson still enjoy unparalleled success. Why? Because they uphold the corrupt status quo. They are the problem. They are the lifeblood of a system that condemns honesty and integrity allowing the dishonest and hypocritical to thrive.

Dr. Laura, on the other hand, is a woman who faces our corrupt culture head on. She knows what it’s like to butt heads with the Thought Police, and especially the Gay Gestapo. She is a woman who came under attack for voicing her opinion, and then dared to weather the assault. Her integrity withstood, and now outlasts, those who were threatened by her example.

The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) the gay group that attacked Dr. Laura for speaking her mind, has suffered for their mindless and self-obsessed assault. Gay media outlets, newspapers and magazines have finally begun to question and condemn the attacks on Dr. Laura as absurd, and yes, hypocritical.

More and more gay individuals are questioning the motives of GLAAD, which has recently shut down three of its regional offices. Many successful and wealthy gays in Los Angeles I know have opted to stop their support of GLAAD and are once again readily admitting that they, too, like Dr. Laura. They are refusing to be bullied into pretending otherwise by the hypocritical minority of the Gay Elite.

Ultimately, Dr. Laura will shine for all of us as one of our more important examples of how grace, principle and doing what is right prevails when faced with others who do not have our best interest in mind. Once again, we can decide what we are willing to accept, what is important to us, and we can enjoy the fact that we still have role models like her to support and appreciate.

I urge you to remember—while it is vitally important to voice our opinions about what is wrong in our culture (and I’ll be doing plenty of that!), it is as important to support those who stand up to the Goose-stepping troops of the Left. I, for one, reject the Gay Gestapo and am proud to call Dr. Laura my friend. In this era of moral relativism, double-standards and hypocrisy, it is time to recognize that woman as one of our cultural heroes

Posted by: TheDude

That was a funny letter... Just another example of people picking and choosing which versus/sections they want to follow out of their own bias.

Oh, Fossten will most likely say the old laws were for the Jews before Jesus’ coming; you have to wonder why the homosexuality one stayed active and the selling one's daughter, cutting one's hair etc. didn't...

Posted by: pepperman

That was good and I am curious myself as to how Fossten will respond.

Posted by: Calabrio

Great post, Shagdrum

Posted by: Frogman

I don't think Fossten frequents any other forum besides the politics and current events forum, so he may never see this post.

Alas, I could be wrong.

Posted by: Dereck

Hi Guys

I don't know why you think Fossten (or anyone else for that matter) would even bother reply to this thread, afterall it is hardly reply worthy.

Regards

Dereck

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dereck

Hi Guys

I don't know why you think Fossten (or anyone else for that matter) would even bother reply to this thread, afterall it is hardly reply worthy.

Regards

Dereck

I'm at work now, but I'll get to it.

Thank you all for the acknowledgement that I am the only Biblical scholar of this forum.

Posted by: fossten

Let’s start with the premise that the person writing this is attempting to mock the Bible and knows nothing about the Bible other than how to take verses out of context. Also, all the references are of Old Testament Law, which has largely (except for the 10 Commandments) been done away with by the New Testament. Knowing that, answering this fool according to his folly is foolish as well. Since many of his questions are stupid, sarcastic, and insincere, many of my answers will be common sense and will fit the question.

Quote:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

First of all, this person does not burn bulls as a sacrifice in America. Animal control would be all over him. Second, the Old Testament burnt sacrifice was done away with upon the death of Jesus Christ, as explained in Hebrews. Since Jesus is the perfect sacrifice, there is no more need to offer burnt offerings. That law was intended for the Jews back before Christ was born.

Quote:

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

Stupid question. Under United States law, nobody can be sold into slavery. The Bible commands us to obey the laws of our country.

Quote:

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

This person is not married and is an absolute idiot. If you can’t tell when a woman is on her period, you are an imbecile and don’t deserve to engage in relations.

Quote:

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?Why can't I own Canadians?

Nobody cares what your friend thinks. He’s nearly as ignorant about the Bible as you are.

Quote:

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

The New Testament requires only that Christians “remember” the Sabbath. Again, the Old Testament law was done away with by this time. Oh, and by the way, the Ten Commandments includes the one “Thou shalt not kill.”

Quote:

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Sure. Your friend is an idiot. Nobody cares what your friend thinks. That settles that.

Quote:

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Actually, the KJV says “blemish in his eye.” This is more accurate, and indicates a physical malady. However, in context, the passage is talking about who may be priests qualified to offer burnt offerings before God. The New Testament did away with the old priesthood when Christ died, making all Christians high priests before God. So this law is outdated.

Quote:

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

Nowhere in that passage does it say that violating that commandment requires a penalty of death. Nice try.

Quote:

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

Stupidest question in this letter. Does anybody really need me to explain what footballs are made of?

Quote:

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16

Specifically, the verse says not to mingle the seed. Imagine what kind of messed up crop you'd have if you planted mixed seed. I doubt this is the same as what the "uncle" is doing. Otherwise he'd be a dumb farmer.

Again, this law was written for the Jews in the Old Testament. It does not apply to Christians today. I doubt that the writer really wants to know the answer to this question. The purpose behind the law was to teach the Jews to remain holy and pure.

Quote:

Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Second stupidest question in this letter.

Posted by: mespock

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Quote: Fossten
Also, all the references are of Old Testament Law, which has largely (except for the 10 Commandments) been done away with by the New Testament. Knowing that, answering this fool according to his folly is foolish as well.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by mespock

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Quote: Fossten
Also, all the references are of Old Testament Law, which has largely (except for the 10 Commandments) been done away with by the New Testament. Knowing that, answering this fool according to his folly is foolish as well.

Hey, mespock, or should I call you Mr. "I can't even spell my own misspelling of the word 'response' correctly", did you know that homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament as well as in the Old Testament? No, you didn't, because you don't know anything about the Bible except what you try to make fun of.

Try reading it sometime.

1 Cor 6:9-10 and Romans 1:26-27.