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Danny DeVito checks himself off my list

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Posted by: fossten

Every time one of these wackos opens his or her mouth, I have to decide not to ever watch one of their movies again. Last month it was Michael J. Fox. Now it's Danny DeVito. Too bad. I really liked him:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,233277,00.html

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_po...nny_DeVito.php

Posted by: taylor414ce2003

Fossten if you pay attention to celebs personal lifes you would never watch another movie or tv show,seems to me they are all either gay, drugies ,drunks or spouse beaters. I am sure there is a handfull that dont fall into that catagory(and are decent folk) but chances are they dead or re-tired

Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by fossten

Danny DeVito checks himself off my list

You know - Im sure he is just heartbroken over this. I bet he hires a PR firm and pays them millions, just to see how he can get back on 'your list'

Gimmie a break.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

You know - Im sure he is just heartbroken over this. I bet he hires a PR firm and pays them millions, just to see how he can get back on 'your list'

Gimmie a break.

What's your point?

It's not about just Fossten avoiding Danny Devito, it's about all the people who might be inclined to avoid him in the future. I'm sure that his little drunken rant will discourage a few people from seeing his vile Christmas movie this season.

Ask the Dixie Chicks how their lives have been since they opened their stupid mouths up and pissed off their fan base, repeatedly. They get embraced by the NY/La liberal culture now, so they might get invited to some good parties, but those same people won't buy their music or go to their concerts.

Michael J. Fox isn't doing much work now, he's pretty ill. But I wouldn't hold the Missouri stem cell debate issue against him. He wasn't vile or disgusting, he was dupped. I'd give him a pass, he was taken advantage of. I think he's a classy and dignified guy, regardless whether I disagree with him.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Michael J Fox was pushing his cause - period. Cant fault him for that.

Danny Divito got drunk and went on a rant - SO WHAT - Try it sometime Fossten - maybe you'll lighten up.

And the Dixie Chicks criticized a war we now are trying to find a way to get out of..... Yup - dont buy their records. They were right and we cant have that.

Im guessin that last comment will cause a big ruckus

Posted by: Fleet

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Michael J Fox was pushing his cause - period. Cant fault him for that.

But he was making untrue statements. Like when he claimed that George Tenet opposes stem cell research. That is not true. He opposes embyonic stem cell research.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Michael J Fox was pushing his cause - period. Cant fault him for that.

You can fault him for it, but I don't think he was vile or distasteful. I don't think he was intentionally trying to deceive the public. He did, but I think he was tricked too. For that, I don't resent him. He's in an extraordinary situation and if he clings to false hope, I can't hold that against him. Otherwise, I think he is dignified and charming. I have respect for Michael J. Fox.

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Danny Divito got drunk and went on a rant - SO WHAT - Try it sometime Fossten - maybe you'll lighten up.

He went on a distasteful drunken rant on TV where he attacked the President on a personal level. Then he followed that up with talking about "wrecking the joint" while staying in the Lincoln bedroom. Furthermore, he forever put the notion of him having sex with Rhea Pearlman on every surface in that White House bedroom forever into the public conscience.

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And the Dixie Chicks criticized a war we now are trying to find a way to get out of..... Yup - dont buy their records. They were right and we cant have that.

They weren't "right"- but I've repeatedly seen you lack the ability to articulate a sound political argument anyway, so I don't see the point in pursuing that any further.

They ruined the commerical viability of their careers. While now embraced by the "beautiful people" they're album sales and concert attendance have fallen into the basement.

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Im guessin that last comment will cause a big ruckus

Only if it were brought up by someone with the ability to debate it. In this case, it's best to just ignore it.

Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by Fleet

But he was making untrue statements. Like when he claimed that George Tenet opposes stem cell research. That is not true. He opposes embyonic stem cell research.

Kinda like that congressional campaign that alleged his opponent was making sex line phone calls and billing them to the state - and didnt even have the class to admit it was a mistake when it was proven to be BS?

Everyone in politics tends to split hairs and tells one side of things - making an issue appear to be 'this' - and when you get the whole story you find out it was 'that'

Personally - I think a candidate should have tougher rules - tell the whole truth - not just the half that helps you.

Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

Let me put it this way - if you were dying of a disease - what would you do to help a cure be found?

Posted by: Vitas

Who's sorry now? Apparently, everybody

NEW YORK (AP) -- "Love means never having to say you're sorry," Ali MacGraw said in the 1970 tearjerker "Love Story," a line whose iconic status belies its lack of any discernible logic.

But that was so last millennium. In 2006, a better line might be: "Apologizing means never having to say you're sorry."

Rarely have there been so many prominent public apologies coming so close together, saying at once so much -- "That wasn't really me, it was the booze talking, I have inner rage, I have a dark side, I'm in rehab" -- and so little. So little, that is, about the actual transgression that made them necessary.

Entertainers, politicians, media figures, religious leaders. Why have public apologies become such a mainstay of our culture? It seems that the minute a transgression occurs, be it small or large, we wait for penitence. It's the other shoe that needs to drop before we can move on.

Maybe it's because as much as we love scandal -- and we love it especially now that we can capture it on cell-phone video or stream it on YouTube -- we love something else even more: "Everybody," says Ken Sunshine, a veteran publicist in both entertainment and politics, "loves a story of redemption."

And so, a thematic look back at a year in apologies, if you can call them that:

The "I am not a (fill in the blank) apology. The most recent specimen: Michael Richards, aka Kramer from "Seinfeld," who's having an unwanted second moment in the sun with his stunning "n-word" rant. In the first of several apologies, Richards made an awkward appearance on David Letterman's "Late Show" and explained that it was rage at being heckled that sparked his tirade: "I'm not racist -- that's what's so insane about this." (His publicist said Friday he also planned a personal apology to the men he targeted.)

Was it effective? "There's a piece of it that doesn't fit for me," says Jerry Deffenbacher, a psychology professor at Colorado State University who studies rage. "It's not unusual for a comic to be heckled. I would want to know more about his impulse control history."

Impulse control was clearly a problem for a much bigger star -- Mel Gibson -- on the July night when he was pulled over for drunken driving and spewed anti-Semitic comments at the arresting officer.

"Please know from my heart that I am not an anti-Semite," Gibson said in a statement soon after the incident. "I am not a bigot." (Read Entertainment Weekly's interview with Gibson: "I don't want to be that monster")

Jewish leaders said the healing would take work. "Anti-Semitism is not born in one day and cannot be cured in one day and certainly not through the issuing of a press release," noted Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.

For cultural critic Roger Rosenblatt, the whole apology business is just that -- a business. "It's basically the way you get on with your career," says Rosenblatt, an author and essayist at Time magazine. "It wouldn't be made -- or publicly received -- if there weren't some tacit understanding that this is what you do in order to keep earning a living." Which means that those who accept the apology -- the public, in other words -- are part of the deal.

It was the (fill in the substance) talking. Gibson fits in here too. Diane Sawyer eventually got the big interview, and the movie star blamed his problems on alcohol: "Once you're loaded, you know, the balance of how you see things -- it comes out the wrong way." The claim led experts to debate whether booze could actually change one's social beliefs. In any case, Gibson is hardly the only figure this year to attribute his troubles to alcohol.

Rep. Mark Foley, the Florida congressman forced to resign over his sexually explicit computer messages to congressional pages, never made a public apology himself, but through attorneys announced he had alcohol problems (some colleagues were skeptical), was gay, and had been abused by a priest as a teenager. He recently finished about a month in treatment for alcoholism.

Rep. Bob Ney of Ohio resigned late this year after pleading guilty in the Jack Abramoff influence-peddling investigation. Apologizing in September, he said he'd checked into an alcohol-abuse program.

And Rep. Patrick Kennedy entered rehab for addiction to prescription pain drugs in May after a nighttime car crash that he claimed not to remember. The Rhode Island Democrat was re-elected easily in November.

The "I have a dark side" apology. "There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," the Rev. Ted Haggard wrote his congregation in November amid allegations he consorted with a gay prostitute and snorted meth.

The former president of the National Association of Evangelicals is now on a course of rehab -- which is a common denominator of virtually all the prominent apologies this year.

"When in doubt, go to rehab or find God," says Sunshine.

'Like a huge moving conveyor belt'
For one analyst of popular culture, it's a measure of the "therapeutic culture" that we live in. "It's like a huge moving conveyor belt. Once you declare yourself to be a client of our therapeutic culture, we say, 'OK great! Welcome aboard,' " says Jerry Herron, professor at Wayne State University. "Somewhere, there will be a sofa waiting for you." (It could be Oprah's couch -- remember author James Frey? -- or Letterman's, or Don Imus' studio -- remember Sen. John Kerry's regrettably botched joke involving the Iraq war?)

One of the many problems with that approach, says Herron, is that it becomes all about one individual's recovery -- not the larger problem. Whatever the Michael Richards flap reveals about the actor, he notes, it probably says something important about latent racism in our society decades after the civil rights movement. And yet, he says, we'll never talk about that bigger issue: "It's all about him."

In this very sorry year, even the pope has been called upon to apologize, for comments seen by Muslims as offensive to Islam. While not making a full-scale apology, Benedict XVI has expressed regret for offending Muslims and said the remarks did not reflect his personal views.

Herron, of Wayne State, looks back to the 19th century for a lesson on how to do an apology right in America. Grover Cleveland, running for president in 1884, was faced with accusations that he'd fathered a child out of wedlock; the bachelor acknowledged right away that he'd had a relationship with the woman and said he'd support the child even though he had no idea if it was his (this was pre-DNA testing.) He won the election.

Whoever was doing Cleveland's PR, Sunshine, the publicist, approves. The important lessons to remember for a successful public redemption, he says, are to come clean and be honest. Don't spin a lot of baloney. Don't pretend to be a saint. And don't go expecting a "quick fix" -- that doesn't work anymore in our crime-and-punishment obsessed world.

Oh, and one more thing, something our mothers told us:

"Don't ever do it again."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/12/0...rss_topstories

Posted by: Frogman

http://www.devilducky.com/media/54467/

Posted by: Fleet

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Yes, but Michael J. Fox is not a politician... he should know better than to make false claims.

Posted by: Fleet

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Let me put it this way - if you were dying of a disease - what would you do to help a cure be found?

All successes have been with adult stem cells, not embryonic stem cells. The truth is that all stem-cell successes have occurred using adult, autologous stem cells and that has been hidden from the public.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Danny Divito got drunk and went on a rant - SO WHAT - Try it sometime Fossten - maybe you'll lighten up.

Gee, Joey, that almost sounded like a personal attack. You know what they say about free advice, though - it's worth every penny.

Never mind the hypocrisy, though, let's deal with reality. Everybody wants to excuse a liberal when he messes up. That's a fact. Look at Patrick Kennedy. Look at William Jefferson, D-La. Look at Harry Reid. I could go on and on.

Nobody wants to excuse a conservative, though. Look at what they did to Newt Gingrich, George Allen, Trent Lott, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh. Don't tell me to lighten up. You guys are the worst haters out there.

I don't worry about the lifestyles of the rich and famous unless and until they publicly try to force their opinions on me and expose themselves as uppity know-it-alls simply because a camera regularly gets shoved in their faces.

By the way, Gwyneth Paltrow has now made my list for publicly bashing America:

http://newsbusters.org/node/9426