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Democrats reject 9/11 commission, despite promise

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Posted by: Calabrio

Democrats Reject Key 9/11 Panel Suggestion
Neither Party Has an Appetite for Overhauling Congressional Oversight of Intelligence

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 30, 2006; A07

It was a solemn pledge, repeated by Democratic leaders and candidates over and over: If elected to the majority in Congress, Democrats would implement all of the recommendations of the bipartisan commission that examined the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But with control of Congress now secured, Democratic leaders have decided for now against implementing the one measure that would affect them most directly: a wholesale reorganization of Congress to improve oversight and funding of the nation's intelligence agencies. Instead, Democratic leaders may create a panel to look at the issue and produce recommendations, according to congressional aides and lawmakers....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901317_pf.html

It's going to be a long two years, and judging by conversations I've had, the DNC doesn't yet understand how they won. They won with mostly centrist, conservative Democrats. They won because of the publics disgust and rejection of D.C. politics.

I guy in Alexandria was trying to tell me that Webb's win was the result of a huge power shift in the state, apparently unaware that Webb was a conservative Democrat, who'd only be associated with the DNC for a year or so, had worked in the Reagan administration, ran against a weak Allen campaign, and still only won by a hair.

This is not the time for either party to get "cocky" or over confident. I fully expect the liberals to not understand, and that's demonstrated by the comments Democrats are increasingly making in the press.

Posted by: fossten

Have you noticed that the libs haven't popped up to either defend or criticize the actions of their party leaders? So much for intellectual honesty. If this was a Republican Congress that reneged on its campaign promises they'd be calling them lying b*stards.

Posted by: Vitas

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

It was a solemn pledge, repeated by Democratic leaders and candidates over and over: If elected to the majority in Congress, Democrats would implement all of the recommendations of the bipartisan commission that examined the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But with control of Congress now secured, Democratic leaders have decided for now against implementing the one measure that would affect them most directly: a wholesale reorganization of Congress to improve oversight and funding of the nation's intelligence agencies. Instead, Democratic leaders may create a panel to look at the issue and produce recommendations, according to congressional aides and lawmakers....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901317_pf.html

We will save this one for the 2008 elections.

Posted by: Joeychgo

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Originally Posted by fossten

Have you noticed that the libs haven't popped up to either defend or criticize the actions of their party leaders? So much for intellectual honesty. If this was a Republican Congress that reneged on its campaign promises they'd be calling them lying b*stards.

Which they did - and are

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Which they did - and are

Thank you for proving my point.

Posted by: Calabrio

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Which they did - and are

Is that supposed to pass for wit or cleverness?

I don't remember the RNC ever saying they intended to pass all of the recommendations of the 911 commission. The Democrats did and have already begun their backtracking. As the weeks progress, the guise of "centrism" that the Democrats ran on will slowly fade.

Posted by: 97silverlsc

first of all, they haven't taken control yet so it's premature to say they won't. second, the article says they "may create a panel to look at the issue and produce recommendations". Doesn't sound like they've ruled out any reforms to me. What have the Repugs done on this subject?

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc

first of all, they haven't taken control yet so it's premature to say they won't.

Are you calling the Democrats premature? Because they are saying they won't.

Posted by: 97silverlsc

Pelosi Calls for New Oversight of Intelligence Spending
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/wa...rtner=homepage
By CARL HULSE
Published: December 14, 2006

WASHINGTON, Dec. 14 — Representative Nancy Pelosi, soon to be speaker of the House, said today that she will create a new panel to oversee spending on intelligence and enable lawmakers to better determine whether the money is being spent wisely.
Ms. Pelosi said the formation of the panel, which would work within the House Appropriations Committee, is in response to recommendations of the commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks and is part of an effort to make spending on intelligence more transparent.

The new unit will be called the Select Intelligence Oversight Panel and be composed of members of the House Intelligence and Appropriations committees, Ms. Pelosi said at a news conference. “Its purpose is to protect the American people with the best possible intelligence, recognizing the role that Congress plays in all of this,” Ms. Pelosi said.

The independent, bipartisan commission that investigated the 9/11 attacks criticized Congress for not revamping its methods of supervising intelligence-related issues, and Ms. Pelosi said today that some lawmakers have felt frustrated by not being able to discuss classified budget matters with their colleagues.

“I have always been for more openness when it comes to the intelligence matters, budget and otherwise,” Ms. Pelosi said. She agreed that some intelligence information must be closely guarded, but that “there are many things that all members of Congress could have access to.”

Ms. Pelosi also said the newly empowered House Democrats would also move to raise the minimum wage, now $5.15 per hour; advance stem cell research and roll back subsidies to “Big Oil,” all in the opening days of the next Congress — “the first 100 hours,” as she put it.

“Let it be clear,” she said. “Democrats are prepared to govern and ready to lead.”

She refused to speculate on what might happen if Senator Tim Johnson, the Democrat of South Dakota who is in critical condition after suffering a brain hemorrhage on Wednesday, cannot continue his duties. “Hopefully, we’re going to get some good news about his recovery,” she said.

If Mr. Johnson left the Senate, his replacement would be named by South Dakota Gov. Mike Rounds, a Republican. Assuming Mr. Rounds named a member of his own party, control of the Senate would stay with Republicans, and House Democrats might not be able to do all that they envision.

Democrats have signaled that they plan to assert more control over the billions of dollars a month being spent on the conflict in Iraq when they take charge of Congress in January.

In interviews, the incoming Democratic chairmen of the House and Senate Budget Committees said they would demand a better accounting of the war’s cost and move toward integrating the spending into the regular federal budget, a signal of their intention to use the Congressional power of the purse more assertively to influence the White House’s management of the war.

The lawmakers, Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota and Representative John M. Spratt Jr. of South Carolina, said the administration’s approach of paying for extended military operations and related activities through a series of emergency requests had inhibited Congressional scrutiny of the spending and obscured the true price of the war.

“They have been playing hide-the-ball,” Mr. Conrad said, “and that does not serve the Congress well nor the country well, and we are not going to continue that practice.”

Mr. Spratt, who along with Mr. Conrad is examining how the Democratic Congress should funnel the war spending requests through the House and Senate, said, “We need to have a better breakout of the costs — period.” He is planning hearings for early next year on the subject even as the White House readies a new request for $120 billion or more to pay for the war through Sept. 30, in addition to the more than $70 billion in emergency appropriations already spent this year.

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, spending on the military outside of the regular budget process, primarily for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, has totaled more than $400 billion. For the 12 months ended Sept. 30, spending on the Iraq war alone ran at an average rate of $8 billion a month, according to a study by the Congressional Research Service.

Congressional control over the money for the war is one of the most powerful weapons Democrats will have in trying to influence administration policy toward Iraq. They can use both the budget and subsequent spending bills to impose restrictions on how the money is spent and demand more information from the White House.

While the leadership has repeatedly said it will not cut off money for military operations, senior Democratic officials said lawmakers were considering whether to add conditions to spending bills to force the administration to meet certain standards for progress or change in Iraq. Democrats have also said they intend to investigate spending and suspicions of corruption, waste and abuse in Iraq contracting.

Since the beginning of the war, the White House has said that costs should be considered outside the routine federal budget because they are unpredictable and military demands can change quickly. Republicans have also said that wars have traditionally been treated as emergency spending, but the costs of the extended Vietnam War, for instance, were eventually absorbed into the normal budget.

But Mr. Bush has decided not to include the costs of the war in the budget request he sends to Congress each February. The Republican Congress has acceded to his request that money be appropriated for the conflict on an expedited, as-needed basis that sidesteps much of the process by which the House and Senate normally debate spending priorities.

But the newly completed report of the Iraq Study Group stated that the “costs for the war in Iraq should be included in the president’s annual budget request,” beginning with the budget to be submitted early next year. In addition, a little noticed provision added to a defense policy measure signed into law by Mr. Bush in October directed him to include in his budget a request for appropriations for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, an estimate of all money expected to be required for the year, and a detailed justification of the request.

“The law requires that it be done,” Mr. Conrad said, adding that he had told the incoming defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, that the administration must change its budgeting strategy.

But Sean Kevelighan, a spokesman for the Office of Management and Budget, said the administration’s view was that Congress could not “bind how the president wants to put together the budget,” though he said the administration was trying to provide more information for Congress and moving toward a more regular budget plan.

“It is obviously difficult to predict the cost of the war 12 to 18 months out,” Mr. Kevelighan said. “But our goal is to provide more information to the American people as to how much, for what and when.”

Both Republicans and Democrats have objected to the administration’s refusal to add the war costs to the budget, particularly when the conflict has lasted almost four years. “It is hard to comprehend with an ongoing event like the war that there wouldn’t be something on it in the budget,” said Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader.

In June, the Senate overwhelmingly approved a proposal by Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, to require the president to spell out the expected war costs in his annual spending plan. At the time, some lawmakers expected that the provision would be eliminated from the final measure, but it survived and could be held up by Democrats as evidence that the administration was ignoring the law if it failed to comply.

Lawmakers have several objections to treating the war spending as a continuous emergency, which typically sends the request straight to the Appropriations Committee and bypasses the more policy-oriented Armed Services Committees. Mr. Spratt said he believed that the policy panels tended to give such requests a “closer scrub” than the appropriations panels.

Others say the emergency measures, known as supplemental appropriation requests, can become vehicles for lawmakers to win speedy approval of their own, unrelated pet projects. Members of Congress say the Pentagon has also increasingly seen the war measures as a route to winning financing for projects that should be subject to normal review. And there are complaints that the administration’s approach masks the true cost of the war by not providing a clear bottom line number and by not calculating such related expenses as increased veterans care and military equipment.

“We are now going on four years into this war and they are still funding it with these patchwork supplementals without oversight and without accountability,” Mr. Conrad said, “and that just has to stop.”

But adding the war costs to the annual budget could carry risks for Democrats who want to write a spending plan that meets their priorities but eliminates the deficit in five years or so. Adding the war spending at the same time Democrats want to enforce “pay as you go” budget rules would require some of that spending to be made up by reductions elsewhere.

And if Mr. Bush’s budget does not contain the spending and the Congressional plan does, the president’s blueprint could look better by comparison when it comes to deficit reduction. In addition, budget writers do not want Pentagon spending inflated by the war to become a permanent new floor for the military budget.

Posted by: fossten

That entire article is rendered meaningless by the simple fact that the new chairman of the House Intel Committee couldn't even answer a few simple questions about the enemy we are facing.

If this were a Republican, Phil would be all over this guy. But since he's a Democrat, Phil makes no comment. Figures.

Monday, December 11, 2006
Incoming House intelligence chief botches easy intel quiz

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Silvestre Reyes of Texas, who incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tapped to head the Intelligence Committee when the Democrats take over in January, failed a quiz of basic questions about al Qaeda and Hezbollah, two of the key terrorist organizations the intelligence community has focused on since the September 11, 2001 attacks.

When asked by CQ National Security Editor Jeff Stein whether al Qaeda is one or the other of the two major branches of Islam -- Sunni or Shiite -- Reyes answered "they are probably both," then ventured "Predominantly -- probably Shiite."

That is wrong. Al Qaeda was founded by Osama bin Laden as a Sunni organization and views Shiites as heretics.

Reyes could also not answer questions put by Stein about Hezbollah, a Shiite group on the U.S. list of terrorist organizations that is based in Southern Lebanon.

Stein's column about Reyes' answers was published on CQ's Web site Friday evening.

In an interview with CNN, Stein said he was "amazed" by Reyes' lack of what he considers basic information about two of the major terrorists organizations.

"If you're the baseball commissioner and you don't know the difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox, you don't know baseball," Stein said. "You're not going to have the respect of the people you work with."

While Stein said Reyes is "not a stupid guy," his lack of knowledge said it could hamper Reyes' ability to provide effective oversight of the intelligence community, Stein believes.

"If you don't have the basics, how do you effectively question the administration?" he asked. "You don't know who is on first."

Stein said Reyes is not the only member of the House Intelligence Committee that he has interviewed that lacked what he considered basic knowledge about terrorist organizations.

"It kind of disgusts you, because these guys are supposed to be tending your knitting," Stein said. "Most people are rightfully appalled."

Pelosi picked Reyes over fellow Californian Rep. Jane Harman, who had been the Intelligence Committee's ranking member, and Rep. Alcee Hastings of Florida, who had been impeached as a federal judge after being accused of taking a bribe.

Posted by: 97silverlsc

A test that many members of shrubs administration has failed as well.
Once again, fossie changes the subject when proven wrong.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc

A test that many members of shrubs administration has failed as well.
Once again, fossie changes the subject when proven wrong.

Blah, blah, blah...

What a weak, pitiful response. But what do you expect from a guy who wears a dunce cap?

Posted by: 97silverlsc

My response is weak? " I fossie the great ( in my mind) deem an article meaningless because??? I SAY SO." Too bad the nation can't harness your hot air, We could greatly reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
Put your specs on Fossie, that's shrubster with the dunce cap on.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc

Put your specs on Fossie, that's shrubster with the dunce cap on.

My name is not Fossie, it's David.

That picture probably looks more like you than it does Bush. But what should we expect from a guy who still thinks Karl Rove is about to be indicted?