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Michael Richards Outburst

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Posted by: KD00LS

I was curious to see what your reaction was to the racial outburst that Michael Richards, or "Kramer", showed recently at the Laugh Factory. What do you guys think of the two "victims" trying to sure for monetary gain?

Posted by: fossten

What Richards did was reprehensible, but I'm not at all surprised. We have only seen the tip of the iceberg of the hate from the 'tolerant' Hollywood left. I thought it was interesting that the media is hypocritically circling the wagons around him, while they crucified Trent Lott.

I did find it curious that their lawyer, Gloria Allred, appearing on CNN referred to them as 'victims.' I tried to think of a way that that word would apply, but I had difficulty. I don't see how their rights were violated in any way. They certainly were free to respond, and they did so, and they were free to leave, and they did so. Calling names isn't a violation of civil rights; otherwise I'd have a lawsuit against most of the libs on this forum, and vice versa.

Posted by: evillally

He can think what he wants; but I'll never watch Seinfeld in the same way as before. That outburst altered my perception of him and his character...

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by evillally

He can think what he wants; but I'll never watch Seinfeld in the same way as before. That outburst altered my perception of him and his character...

Posted by: Calabrio

I'm in the camp of "who cares."

The "outrage" is laughable. Do people have any idea what the level of communication is usually like at these comedy clubs? These guys are routine encouraged to push the boundaries of decency, to see how far they can lash out.

What would the public think when they heard Gilbert Gottfried, the parrot from Alladin and the Aflack duck, do 45 minutes of material on the C-word?

Some of these guys are funny- some just obscene. Kramer tried to go outrageous and shocking, it was caught on a video phone and all the polyanna Seinfeld fans are recoiling in horror.

And now look. That filthy attention seeking whore, Gloria Allred is out in front of the cameras, as the lawyer to the two saints who were "assaulted". There is nothing that woman won't do for more or air time.

Posted by: pbslmo

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Originally Posted by fossten

What Richards did was reprehensible, but I'm not at all surprised. We have only seen the tip of the iceberg of the hate from the 'tolerant' Hollywood left. I thought it was interesting that the media is hypocritically circling the wagons around him, while they crucified Trent Lott.

I did find it curious that their lawyer, Gloria Allred, appearing on CNN referred to them as 'victims.' I tried to think of a way that that word would apply, but I had difficulty. I don't see how their rights were violated in any way. They certainly were free to respond, and they did so, and they were free to leave, and they did so. Calling names isn't a violation of civil rights; otherwise I'd have a lawsuit against most of the libs on this forum, and vice versa.

It seems that it is acceptable to call someone hurtful names, to just say "sorry" and hide behind Jesse or Al and everything would be alright. These people (Gibson included) are grown ups and should be hung up to air their dirty soles just like Trent Lott.

Posted by: bufordtpisser

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Originally Posted by Calabrio

I'm in the camp of "who cares."

The "outrage" is laughable. Do people have any idea what the level of communication is usually like at these comedy clubs? These guys are routine encouraged to push the boundaries of decency, to see how far they can lash out.

What would the public think when they heard Gilbert Gottfried, the parrot from Alladin and the Aflack duck, do 45 minutes of material on the C-word?

Some of these guys are funny- some just obscene. Kramer tried to go outrageous and shocking, it was caught on a video phone and all the polyanna Seinfeld fans are recoiling in horror.

And now look. That filthy attention seeking whore, Gloria Allred is out in front of the cameras, as the lawyer to the two saints who were "assaulted". There is nothing that woman won't do for more or air time.

Who really cares here. He was attacked and he attacked back. He used the N word, so now it is a racial issue. I bet if the "Victims" were white and he called them cracker or honky, this would not be an issue and Gloria Allred would still be looking for her next victims. It's acceptable for black comedians to call whites honky, or cracker(Chris Rock), but just let one of us with the pearly white azzes return the favor and we are racist. Lighten up, it's just a word.

Posted by: pbslmo

MY thought is that when a black comedian used the racial name calling, it shows their intellect (and that is funny). However, when whites does the same, it shows a rasist tone. We are held to higher standards.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by pbslmo

MY thought is that when a black comedian used the racial name calling, it shows their intellect (and that is funny). However, when whites does the same, it shows a rasist tone. We are held to higher standards.

Actually that's called a "double standard." But I know what you meant, and I agree.

Posted by: bufordtpisser

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Originally Posted by pbslmo

That is probably one of the most racist things that I have ever seen on this forum. We are white, so therefore we are smarter and are held to a higher standard. They are not white, and are therefore not as smart and we lower the standards for them. That is the biggest load BS that I have ever heard. As human beings we should all be held to the same standards.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

I guess it depends on his tone. I originally thought the same as you, BTP, but I thought it over and decided maybe he was being ironic. I guess I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Let's ask him:

pbslmo, were you being ironic or not?

Posted by: bufordtpisser

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Originally Posted by fossten

Being ironic or not, I would not want something like that attributed to me. I grew up in a very mixed neighborhood, and those around us knew that you got back what you gave out. My friends are my friends because of how they treat me, not because of the color of their skin, or their perceived intellect. I have used the "N" word on a few occasions. I have been the victim of racial slurs on more occasions than I can possibly recount. I try to treat others as well or better than they treat me. While I do not condone Richards behavior, the hecklers may very well have deserved what they got and more. He was a professional doing a job, and they were interfering with the completion of his job. If they did not like his brand of comedy, they should have kept their mouths shut, and left, and possibly asked for a refund if they paid to see him. I guarantee you if I were to go to a Chris Rock show and heckle him like they did Richards, I would be lucky to make it out of there alive.

I do not condone racism in any way, shape, or form. But you get what you give.

Posted by: pbslmo

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Originally Posted by fossten

Actually that's called a "double standard." But I know what you meant, and I agree.

I do not consider myself a rasist. I have been on the receiving end in the early 60's being half-Japanese. (Tora Tora Tora, Pearl Harbor day, ect...) Yes I have in a fit of rage used the "N" word. I'm not happy I did it, but I owned up to it. Fossten had it right, "double standard."

It is my opinion that the blacks appear to have the "right" to use deragitory words, while other races dont. I think Carlos Mensea sometimes goes a little too far with his comedy.

Posted by: pbslmo

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Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

I guarantee you if I were to go to a Chris Rock show and heckle him like they did Richards, I would be lucky to make it out of there alive.

I do not condone racism in any way, shape, or form. But you get what you give.

So what are you saying? There is a difference in the way a heckler is treated depending on what color the comedian is?

Posted by: KD00LS

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Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

I agree in full, even though I think he meant it in a different way. I think the white population is the most prone to being lashed out at for stereotyping, and I think thats what he meant.

The bottom line is that if equality is the goal for the future, racial slurs shouldn't be used by ANY race. Also things like only calling people of your own race "brothers" or "eses(sp)", IMHO, doesn't help the blending of society.

Posted by: TheDude

He said what he said to get a reaction, those men we're obviously being asses and disrupting his performance. The way I saw it, he was simply saying 'You can dish it, but you can't take it'... If deep down inside he is a true racial supremacist, I'll never know, but would a true racist apologize to people he would see as animals or inferiors as a racist? No, he wouldn't. Point being, saying a racial slur does not make someone a racist by default.

Posted by: bufordtpisser

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

He said what he said to get a reaction, those men we're obviously being asses and disrupting his performance. The way I saw it, he was simply saying 'You can dish it, but you can't take it'... If deep down inside he is a true racial supremacist, I'll never know, but would a true racist apologize to people he would see as animals or inferiors as a racist? No, he wouldn't. Point being, saying a racial slur does not make someone a racist by default.

Write this on the calendar guys, Buford and Deville agree. Don't worry Deville, I called the paramedics. They are on there way over to my house and yours. See you at the hospital.

Posted by: bufordtpisser

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Originally Posted by pbslmo

So what are you saying? There is a difference in the way a heckler is treated depending on what color the comedian is?

But what I am saying is that the heckler will be treated differently depending on the racial makeup of the audience. I have seen it happen first hand. I did not wish to imply that you were racist, only that your comment was racist. Sort of the same as the way Michael Richards comments were taken.

I am sorry to hear that you were subject to racist behavior in the past. Racism in any form is bad. And racism in this country, or any other country will never end. Because it is human nature to believe that people that are different than us are bound to be inferior. One of the worst cases of racism that I ever saw was on a talk so where a person of co;or stated that she would never have friends that were whit because all whites owed her and her people for the sins of our fathers. The inability of people to forgive the past is why racism is so rampant in this day and age. I personally do not believe that I or any other person living today owes anyone an apology for what our ancestors may or may not have done.

Posted by: TheDude

Now this guy is a true racist... She the difference between Richard's name calling and this guy's rhetoric?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0

Scary thing, he's a college professor of African Studies.

Posted by: fossten

Based on what you guys are saying, would you agree then that what Trent Lott said would not be considered racist by comparison?

Posted by: bufordtpisser

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Originally Posted by fossten

Based on what you guys are saying, would you agree then that what Trent Lott said would not be considered racist by comparison?

That just about any one of us, if we had our day to day comments dissected under a microscope, and parts of them taken out of context, we could probably be considered racist. We have some truly outrageous discussions in the lunchroom at my work from time to time. And from time to time, we have outside drug reps that come in. We have a few reps of different races that come in from time to time. One rep in particular was offended by a comment that I made concerning a talk show host. She actually confronted me about it, and about ten of my co workers of varying ethnic backgrounds came to my rescue and let the drug rep know that I am in no way racist. That I am just usually the catalyst for some of the most intriguing conversations that we have in the lunch room. And since that time the drug rep and I have had some really stimulating conversations and have become good friends. Had she not come in in the middle of the conversation and heard all of my comments, she would never have taken my comments in an offensive manner. In the context of Trent Lotts conversation and his intended audience, I do not believe that his comments were racist. After dissecting them, and allowing people to interject their own meanings, sure, you could consider them racist. But I still believe that the most racist people in the USA today, are people of color. And they get away with making those comments with impunity because their ancestors were mistreated. Well way back in biblical times my ancestors were enslaved and mistreated also. Get over it already, I did.

Posted by: cww102174

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Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Now this guy is a true racist... She the difference between Richard's name calling and this guy's rhetoric?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0

Scary thing, he's a college professor of African Studies.

Wow, that guy is a little crazy. Killing off a race of people is not the answer to anything and I must say that as a black man I felt bad just listening to it. That being said I just have a few other comments:

1. People aren't so upset about it just because he used the "N" word. It is the other comments that he made that has people in an uproar. Things like "50 years ago you would be hanging from a tree with a pitchfork up your ass" and "this is what happens when you interrupt a white man on stage". I know he could have come back at them with something better than that. Something like "yeah and I've got more money in one pocket then make in a year". I mean I know it wasn't the first time somebody has done that to him.

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bufordtpisser
Well way back in biblical times my ancestors were enslaved and mistreated also. Get over it already, I did.

Thats a big time difference between biblical times and slavery, but I understand what you are saying and I hope that in the years to come that this kind of dumbsh-- won't be an issue anymore and people of color can move on. I pray that one day cops will stop making the mistake of unloading over fifty rounds in a persons car, or shooting a 92 year old woman who only had a good b/c she lives in a bad part of town and didn't know who they really were, or being pulled down the road by a truck until your dead makes it a little hard to just get over. If your ancestors are still going through that kind of b/s while living in a free country then you should be upset about it too.

3. I wish that we could for a week live life as another race. I think we all would see thinks in a new light. We are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of God. Until every living persons see things that way, teach their children that and live there life like that, we will continue the deal with this b/s.

Posted by: pbslmo

Wow, that video was unbelievable. How sad that an American professor educating our youths has such anger toward another race.

I specialize in Low Income Housing and I used to work in North St. Louis at a large property which had 675 apartments and town homes. I was the only non-African American in the office. I worked there for over 5 years, until I was thrown in the pool fully dressed in a suit by African Americans (people who didn't live there), I was also punched in the face when I got out of the pool. I didn’t take it out on the people who lived there, I was there to help them, and I stayed almost another year. (Although fearsome of the event happening again) I now work with a property management company providing low income homes to individuals with MRDD, I enjoy helping disadvantaged individuals to live in safe, sanitary homes.

I do believe it is ones low self esteem that motivates them with anger and rage, if a person is happy with themselves, they show it toward others regardless of race. I wish you all happness not only during the holiday season, but throughout your lives! Peace, baby.

I have the below Dalai Lama quote in my office above my computer.

Posted by: MAC1

Why would anyone, particularly a public figure who is subject to public scrutiny subject oneself to embarrassing situations where ones integrity is put into question—It doesn’t make any sense! A person that values his or her reputation will exercise self-control so that it’s not necessary to have to apologize for foolish comments or bad acts. I would like to give Michael Richards the benefit of the doubt and believe that he isn’t racist despite his remarks. That is, sometimes people loose control and say outrageous things.

However, there seems to be a double-standard in that black Americans repeatedly use the “n-word” as an insult and as a form of expression without so much as a second thought. While Michael Richards “n-word” tirade was not an act, still, why would anyone want to perpetuate such an insulting and demeaning word by using it in everyday conversation like it’s some kind of right of passage.

Posted by: Vitas

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Originally Posted by MAC1

Why would anyone, particularly a public figure who is subject to public scrutiny subject oneself to embarrassing situations where ones integrity is put into question—It doesn’t make any sense!

Publicity. Fossten fell into the trap.

Posted by: MAC1

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Originally Posted by MAC1

Why would anyone, particularly a public figure who is subject to public scrutiny subject oneself to embarrassing situations where ones integrity is put into question—It doesn’t make any sense!

I meant "one's" integrity, not "ones" integrity. I wish I had more time to edit the typos.

Posted by: fossten

Now we will see if Gloria Allred is able to successfully pursue a lawsuit against Richards. If she is successful, you will see a landmark case against freedom of speech that directly violates the Constitution.

Regardless of how offensive Richards' comments were, he said them in a free society and thus should be free of prosecution of any kind. How he is treated by society is not covered under the Constitution, however, and therein lies the difference.

Posted by: pbslmo

Agreed!

Posted by: StincolnLincoln

heres my 2 cents from a blackman. WHO GIVES A DAMN i have heard worse in comedy clubs about all ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS. in all actuallity if thats a word lmao. Some comics use there acts to say what they really feel about people and there there ETHNIC background once again here is 1 that slipped up and exposed himself as to what he feels about BLACK People who cares there are worse out there might i say KKK and then some. so what he did is CRAZY but it doesn't affect my day 1 bit. and as for the 2 people . i am not going to call them victims because there not. and i say there not because they both still got up to go to work and they both made it to there cars and made it home without a mark on there person(s). damn i think i have said about 10cents worth of stuff can someone loan a brother 8 cents im over my 2 cent limit lol....

Posted by: bufordtpisser

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Originally Posted by StincolnLincoln

heres my 2 cents from a blackman. WHO GIVES A DAMN i have heard worse in comedy clubs about all ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS. in all actuallity if thats a word lmao. Some comics use there acts to say what they really feel about people and there there ETHNIC background once again here is 1 that slipped up and exposed himself as to what he feels about BLACK People who cares there are worse out there might i say KKK and then some. so what he did is CRAZY but it doesn't affect my day 1 bit. and as for the 2 people . i am not going to call them victims because there not. and i say there not because they both still got up to go to work and they both made it to there cars and made it home without a mark on there person(s). damn i think i have said about 10cents worth of stuff can someone loan a brother 8 cents im over my 2 cent limit lol....

You say with conviction what all of us want to say but are afraid to be called racist. I have never been afraid to tell anybody how I feel about them personally. But I will never condemn a whole group of people for the stupidity of a few.

Posted by: fossten

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Originally Posted by StincolnLincoln

Agreed. Here's 8 cents - cha-ching!

Posted by: TheDude

Not sure how many of you were wrestling fans back in the early 80's, but I found this funny. The "Iron Sheik" goes crazy on Michael Richards and threatens him with an anal-rape over his outburst in the club. Beware the "Camel-Clutch".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53-6sgZX6kg