Originally Posted by FreeFaller

John Kerry is a typical elitist left-winger from Mass. You would expect differently? The only need this jackoff has for us is as a punchline for his jokes. I would never belittle the service that he gave while in uniform (even though he tried to run away from the draft). Any man or woman who has served deserves at least that much respect. I would hope that he would show that same respect to current military members and not perpetuate the misconceptions that nearly all Americans share.

For the record todays military is arguably the most professional and highly educated fighting force the world has ever known. Particularly in the enlisted force. A high percentage of individuals who enlist already possess some sort of degree or are at least on their way to getting one. Many Senior Non-Commissioned Officers have obtained mulitple degrees (Multiple Masters are not uncommon). In fact, one would be hard pressed to be promoted past E-6 without one.

With fewer than 4% of United States citizens having ever worn any sort of military uniform it is of great importance that we who have inform the public of every aspect of our service. With respect to the United States Air Force I can tell you that we are warriors - we are a diverse, skilled, highly educated, knowledge-enabled, motivated, ethical and accountable fighting force who asks for little in return...save the respect of those we serve.

I would think that a United States Senator would know that...

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Were exactly did he call the troops "uneducated"? He's attacking certain Republicans in the article, not the troops...

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

He's attacking certain Republicans in the article, not the troops...

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Were exactly did he call the troops "uneducated"? He's attacking certain Republicans in the article, not the troops...

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Watch and Listen to the video and then take your spinning and shove it up your ....

You might just find it on YouTube.

Just type in the search box... "John Kerry hands GOP victory in '06."

Originally Posted by Calabrio

What's the most amazing is seeing all of these liberal Bush bashers, in their attempt to defend Kerry, confirming their belief in what he said. Confirming that elitism, contempt, and condescension directed at the military from the left.

Originally Posted by TommyB

He implied that if you're uneducated, then your only choice is the military, therefore everyone in the military is uneducated. I don't believe for one minute that he meant for it to have been taken that way, but the right-wing vultures will twist it around to make it out to be an attack on our soldiers. Hell, who can blame them? Politics has become nothing but a game of gotcha, practiced by both sides. His statement was just an empty platitude, like most of what comes out of politicians' mouths. His just tend to be extra moronic. The man can't seem to keep his foot out of his mouth. I'd personally like to stick my foot in his ass.

Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

You never cease to amaze me with your constant siding with traitors and others out to destroy our country. I do not personally know you, but I picture you like all of the other "little men" with big mouths at the bar on saturday night who constantly gets your azz kicked because your mouth writes checks that your body can't cash. Your avatar shows a man holding a gun. If Kerry would have won the election, that would be something from the distant past. Instead of just opening your mouth, open your eyes and your ears also. Kerry has done nothing but kick the American serviceman in the teeth. And he has people like you holding them so he does not get his azz kicked.

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Kerry '06

Originally Posted by FreeFaller

19-year-old Airman earns CCAF degree in 9 months

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123030261

by Carl Bergquist
Air University Public Affairs

11/1/2006 - MAXWELL AIR FORCE BASE, Ala. (AFPN) -- At 19 years old, Senior Airman Sharon Hawley is the youngest of more than 9,100 graduates earning their degrees in October at the Community College of the Air Force here.

The integrated avionics mechanic, assigned to 412th Maintenance Squadron at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., completed the prerequisites for her aviation technology degree in less than nine months.

"I began the course in March 2005 with credit for three classes from another school, took three classes at CCAF and CLEPed three classes," Airman Hawley said. "That allowed me to complete the course requirements by December 2005."

She said she was not familiar with the College Level Examination Program until she went to CCAF and found it very handy because it allowed her to finish her degree quickly.

Dr. James Larkin, CCAF director of institutional effectiveness, said Airman Hawley was not only the youngest graduate in her class, but is also one of the youngest graduates in the history of the college's more than 290,000 students.

"It's heartwarming to see someone her age take advantage of the opportunity to get their degree from CCAF," he said. "The school's average active duty graduate has been in the Air Force for 10.6 years when they get their degree, and the oldest graduate was 59 years old."

Airman Hawley works in an F-16A Fighting Falcon "back shop" avionics test station where she tests parts from F-16s and maintains the station. She said she joined the Air Force because she wanted to do something different.

"I went to a recruiter and six days later, I was on my way to basic training," the Airman said. "My job is very interesting and new for me. I never thought I would be doing anything like this."

Following approval of the concept in 1971 by then Air Force Chief of Staff, Gen. John Ryan, the Community College of the Air Force was established April 1, 1972. The school's vision is to be the foremost occupational education institution that prepares the world's best expeditionary-minded air, space and cyberspace enlisted leaders.

"CCAF was really helpful for me, and the people were very motivating," Airman Hawley said. "I was also able to earn my general education associates degree."

Students of CCAF complete about 1.6 million semester hours of course credit each year, and the school has a stake in the job knowledge and performance of every enlisted person in the Air Force. The average graduate is 33.5 years old, is a staff sergeant and majors in Aviation Technology Maintenance.

A two-year institution exclusively serving enlisted personnel, CCAF awards associate in applied science degrees after students successfully complete degree requirements. The Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools accredits CCAF, through Air University, to award associates degrees.

Originally Posted by fossten

YEP. I CLEPPED 80 college credits when I was in the Army. Then I got out and finished part time with the GI Bill. Now I'm in law school.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Still huffing and puffing I see... Now were exactly do you see me "siding with traitors and others out to destroy our country"? I didn't watch the video, I miss-read what Fossten wrote and thought the article was the video in written format. I have now learned that Kerry did in fact imply that military personal are "uneducated" and that was a jackass move.

Actually, I rarely hang out in bars and I never pick fights, but I am more than willing to finish them when confronted, so your "picture" is incorrect.

The avatar is John Goodman from the movie "The Big Lebowski", watch it, you just might enjoy it.

Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

You have to realize that the only reason that I rag on you is because if it is a democrat, no matter how bad, you defend them without getting the facts. If it is a repub, you jump on them and condemn them without getting all of the facts. Believe it or not, we may be very close in our beliefs, with the exception of judging people solely based on political affiliation.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Still huffing and puffing I see... Now were exactly do you see me "siding with traitors and others out to destroy our country"? I didn't watch the video, I miss-read what Fossten wrote and thought the article was the video in written format. I have now learned that Kerry did in fact imply that military personal are "uneducated" and that was a jackass move.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Were[sic] exactly did he call the troops "uneducated"? He's attacking certain Republicans in the article, not the troops...

Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

I doubt it.
"Were exactly did he call the troops "uneducated"? He's attacking certain Republicans in the article, not the troops..."
By shooting off your mouth before you had the facts. That is where I see you siding with cowards and traitors. Anything that the traitor of all traitors says should automatically be put into question. It does not matter if he is Republican or Democrat, he was then and is now a traitor. You have to realize that the only reason that I rag on you is because if it is a democrat, no matter how bad, you defend them without getting the facts. If it is a repub, you jump on them and condemn them without getting all of the facts. Believe it or not, we may be very close in our beliefs, with the exception of judging people solely based on political affiliation.

And for the avatar, I know who it is and what it is from. I like John Goodman. And I like guns, and I like the freedom that I have to openly carry and conceal them.

Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

You have to realize that the only reason that I rag on you is because if it is a democrat, no matter how bad, you defend them without getting the facts. If it is a repub, you jump on them and condemn them without getting all of the facts. Believe it or not, we may be very close in our beliefs, with the exception of judging people solely based on political affiliation.

Originally Posted by fossten

BINGO! Good point Buford!

Contrast with:



You are exactly right. Deville leaped on Rush's throat, and leaped to Kerry's defense, both times before he had all the facts.

Originally Posted by TommyB

You realize, don't you, that the same holds true in the opposite direction?

While Kerry is indeed an idiot, he's not stupid enough to intentionally insult our troops. The explanation that it was a botched "joke" is absolutely plausible, considering how unfunny and awkward he is in general. I mean, come on. Do you REALLY believe he would say something that he knew would offend nearly everyone in the nation?

By the way, I am fully aware of what he said to Congress in the 70's so don't bother trying to educate me. That was indefensible. Still, I understand that you've all made up your minds about his remarks based on your own "facts", so I guess this is kind of pointless.

I suppose I'll be clumped in with the "traitors" now for "defending" him. I'm not. He's a moron. But all of this "outrage" over his remarks has all the hallmarks of being manufactured and reinforced by the right-wing media. Just like the left-wing media "outrage" over Foley and "Plamegate".

Originally Posted by biglou71

No spin needed. He said it, and said he has nothing to appologize for. What Republican could spin it any better than he did to himself?

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

What... you're playing cheerleader for Buford now? Good, it suits you well.

I did leap on Rush's throat because he is and has been proven to be the hypocritical blowhard douche bag. [Bingo. You are always beholden to your predilection to bash a conservative first and ask questions later. It's sophomoric, as is your name-calling.] Asking a question is not necessarily jumping to ones defense, like Buford, you suffer from chronic knee-jerk syndrome. [Wrong. I just happen to be more up on the facts of current events than you. THAT is a fact. Let us not forget which one of us was the last person to post a thread about Bush's intellect that turned out to be a hoax. Hey, what a coincidence! Same subject. Wonder why that is? Are you aware that Kerry got worse grades in college than Bush?] I also have explained why I asked the question; it was a mistake on my part where I misread your post. Sue me for punitive damages...

Originally Posted by fossten

Bingo. You are always beholden to your predilection to bash a conservative first and ask questions later. It's sophomoric, as is your name-calling

Wrong. I just happen to be more up on the facts of current events than you. THAT is a fact. Let us not forget which one of us was the last person to post a thread about Bush's intellect that turned out to be a hoax. Hey, what a coincidence! Same subject. Wonder why that is? Are you aware that Kerry got worse grades in college than Bush

And yet you continue to dig the hole deeper. I suppose next you'll call me a douchebag or something.

I have no problem admitting that I'm biased, but I do at least check my sources before commenting. Better not to comment than to open your mouth and then have to backtrack. But I guess I can't relate to what it must be like for you.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Did you miss the thread where I thanked TommyB for setting it straight for me and (important part to follow) where I said I "misread" Fosstens post, I thought the written part was the same as the video and did not bother to watch it. So besides condemning me for making a simple honest mistake, what have you? Nothing. Also, asking a question is not necessarily 'jumping to ones defense' you chronic knee-jerker. As for your claim that I defend any Democrat no matter what, that is another load of #$@%.

Originally Posted by TommyB

You realize, don't you, that the same holds true in the opposite direction?

While Kerry is indeed an idiot, he's not stupid enough to intentionally insult our troops. The explanation that it was a botched "joke" is absolutely plausible, considering how unfunny and awkward he is in general. I mean, come on. Do you REALLY believe he would say something that he knew would offend nearly everyone in the nation?

Originally Posted by TommyB

But all of this "outrage" over his remarks has all the hallmarks of being manufactured and reinforced by the right-wing media.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Last time I checked, I admitted that I misread your original post and that is why I asked "where did Kerry insult the troops"... As it turns out, it was a botched joke (if you believe Kerry, I know you don't) and biased conservatives like yourself are running it through the mud for all it's worth. Can't blame you though, Kerry is a grown boy, he shouldn't have given you the ammo.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

What the knee-jerkers fail to realize is Kerry is a Yale educated man and a successful politician, even if they despise him they cannot ignore that he isn't low-brow and he wouldn't (as you mentioned) intentionally piss off 90% of America and shoot his political career in the foot. He was/is a complete fool for the wording he chose to use and for giving the Rightwing spinners such ammo to use against him.

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I agree with Deville. He made a mistake and noted it. I give him a ton of credit for that. Plus, he is not a rubber stamp, imho, of Dims, although I admit to not knowing his voting record. He does appear to be more 'fair' on the subjects than most that would be considered 'from the left'. He has demonstrated a willingness to listen and adjusts his thinking based on the arguments. I'll add that I feel he stays true to his convictions, which I also commend.

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Kerry is a traitor. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by MAC1

I would like to think it was a botched “joke” but considering his history of bashing the military there is a good chance he said exactly what he believes.

Also, he didn’t attempted to correct his misstatement immediately after he allegedly botched the so-called “joke” to make clear he had no intention of saying what he apparently said. After hearing the tape it sounds to me that he said exactly what he wanted to say. In other words, he wasn’t fumbling for words and there wasn’t any indication that he was having trouble remembering a “joke.”

Moreover, it’s also difficult to accept that he simply did not comprehend the meaning of what he had just said. It’s so patently clear to the average person that such as statement is insulting to the military and to those who volunteer to serve our country that it’s difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

I know you feel that way, but I am talking about the mans intelligence and his willingness to garrote his political career.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Did you miss the thread where I thanked TommyB for setting it straight for me and (important part to follow) where I said I "misread" Fosstens post, I thought the written part was the same as the video and did not bother to watch it. So besides condemning me for making a simple honest mistake, what have you? Nothing. Also, asking a question is not necessarily 'jumping to ones defense' you chronic knee-jerker. As for your claim that I defend any Democrat no matter what, that is another load of #$@%.

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I agree with Deville. Deville made a mistake and noted it. I give him a ton of credit for that. Plus, he is not a rubber stamp, imho, of Dims, although I admit to not knowing his voting record. He does appear to be more 'fair' on the subjects than most that would be considered 'from the left'. He has demonstrated a willingness to listen and adjusts his thinking based on the arguments. I'll add that I feel he stays true to his convictions, which I also commend.

Originally Posted by MAC1

John Kerry lost the 2004 presidential election in part due to his attacks against the military going back to his 1971 testimony before Congress. Simply put, many voters did not respect him and felt that he betrayed the military and therefore could not be trusted. I believe as recently as a couple of weeks ago he said that he would not retract any of his 1971 testimony. At this point, however, to admit to lying before Congress would definitely end his political career.

Nevertheless, John Kerry is pretty arrogant as demonstrated by his unwillingness to apologize in the face of an obvious insulting remark or a so-called botched “joke.” Moreover, his attacks against President Bush indicates that he has no problem running his mouth.

While Kerry perhaps would not intentionally damage his political career the real truth may be that he can't help himself. Assuming voters conclude that his “joke” was not a joke after all, suffice it to say when all is said and done he really did deliberately end his political career.

Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

I saw your apology, and your after the fact apology sounds almost just like Kerry's. You have a history on this forum of bashing anyone of the Republican party, and heaping praise on the democratic party. Your views run along political lines.

I do not need Fosten or anyone else on this forum to "Cheer Lead" for me. I base my opinions on presented proof, not political affiliation. I happen to not like Rush Limbaugh because of his brash, I am always right, and if you do not agree with me you are a moron style.

And it was not a knee jerk reaction, it was a well thought out reply to your politically slanted views as expressed on this forum. Nothing else. Nothing personal. Hell, I would tell Bush, Kerry, or any other person my opinion of them if they posted on this forum and were slanted just by political affiliation. I disagree with a lot of what Bush did and still does, but not because of his political affiliation.

Show me one post on this forum where you agreed with someone who posted something bad about a democrat. You can't. So I believe that it if you look down at that soapbox that you are standing on, you will see that the bull$h!t is in your court.

Originally Posted by MAC1

John Kerry lost the 2004 presidential election in part due to his attacks against the military going back to his 1971 testimony before Congress. Simply put, many voters did not respect him and felt that he betrayed the military and therefore could not be trusted. I believe as recently as a couple of weeks ago he said that he would not retract any of his 1971 testimony. At this point, however, to admit to lying before Congress would definitely end his political career.

Nevertheless, John Kerry is pretty arrogant as demonstrated by his unwillingness to apologize in the face of an obvious insulting remark or a so-called botched “joke.” Moreover, his attacks against President Bush indicates that he has no problem running his mouth.

While Kerry perhaps would not intentionally damage his political career the real truth may be that he can't help himself. Assuming his “joke” was not a joke after all, suffice it to say when all is said and done he really did deliberately end his political career.

Originally Posted by TommyB

Kerry caught a sh!tload of flack after the 2004 elections for bowing to those same people, especially from the Swift Boaters. And rightly so. Not standing up to them cost him the election. The problem is, he didn't come to realize that until after he had lost. Now he's "seen the light" and has decided to be a tough guy.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Well, unless you can somehow tell me how I could "apologize" BEFORE TommyB explained my error to me and I realized the mistake I had made, I am at a loss for words... Again, that is complete horse#$%#, I do not have a history of bashing every Republican, either prove it or shut it up.

I never said or implied that you needed Fossten as support and I agree with you on Rush.

It was a knee-jerk reaction, you still fail to notice that I made a mistake in reading Fossten's original post and I admitted to making the mistake when TommyB showed it.

Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

That you made a knee jerk reaction to Fosten's post, and only after TommyB pointed out the error of your ways did you apologize??

And I must reiterate that the horse$h!t smell is coming from your side of the fence.

Your posts prove my point about you being a repub hater, I do not have anything to prove to you or anybody else. Anybody who wants to see your party line hating posts only need to read your posts. So maybe, just maybe it is you that needs to do the shutting up.

You want me to make an assumption that you made a mistake in reading Fostens post. I do not make assumptions about anything. I make educated decisions based on facts and or factual history. So therefore, my post was based on the fact that you made your post in favor of Kerry, and the factual history of your decidedly anti republican and pro democratic posts in the past.Like it or not, this time you are wrong.

Again I will state that it is not a personal attack on you as you seem to believe. It is an attack on your constant pro democrat rhetoric that is not proven by fact.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

No, a knee-jerk would be if I didn't read the article and just went off of Fossten's thread title. I did in fact read the article and did not read in it that Kerry had insulted the military hence my question of 'where did Kerry insult the troops in the article'. I misread the post and thought that the video section and the written where one in the same, which lead to the confusion on my part which I have repeatedly owned to being my mistake and no one else's. For some reason you're fixated on pointing the finger and accusing long after I have admitted my error. I will say it again... I MADE A MISTAKE.

Like I said, either back up your claims that I am a blind Republican hater or be proven the liar...

I do not want you to make any assumption, in the first page of this thread TommyB corrected me and I admitted my error, see post #22. As far as being anti or pro anything in this thread, I simply asked a question, it wasn't pro or anti anything. Fossten's thread title had made a claim that I did not see (my fault), hence the question.

Originally Posted by bufordtpisser

Lets just agree to disagree. You made a mistake. You admitted to it. But I reserve the right to call you out on what I see as a party line record of bashing.

Originally Posted by 95DevilleNS

Tell you what, I concede defeat, you win the internet... Reserve anything you like, but be able and willing to prove an accusation.

Originally Posted by fossten

I think Buford recognized it and I proved it.

But I agree, let's move on.