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Installed Chip Car Don't Start

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Posted by: 281DOHC

Hello, I'm a newbie I don't know if I should post here or not? But any ways I just Received my Lincoln Sport Chip code# dza1 for my 1995 Mark VIII, I cleaned the connector very good in till it was coper color. My Mark VIII won't start when the chip is installed. I Sent it back the same day I hope the Chip is defected because I hate to hear that its my car I will like to have the chip installed, any body have had this problem? Our some thing close to this problem thanks for your input!

Posted by: dertyclown

neaver

Posted by: brentalan

I had that problem. It turned out that even though I THOUGHT I had it clean I didn't get everything. YOu really have to scrub hard.

Posted by: Frat-man-du

Issue with a Diablo Chip in my wife's stang - 2 chips and refund later the Super chip worked perfect first time in.

I would only use LMS chip in my Mark - personal preference based on feedback seen in LVC.

Posted by: 281DOHC

If Lincoln Motor Sports send me another chip and if it don't work can i have the car dyno tuned? Our should I order one from Super Coupe Performance?
Thanks for your help.

Posted by: segxr7

I also have a '95 with the DZA1 computer, and I bought an LMS chip about a month ago.

I cleaned the contacts per the instructions and installed it. The car fired right up, but I noticed no difference at all. I called Geno, and he said to clean the contacts until the copper traces underneath the solder are completely exposed, and to disconnect the battery for 30 minutes as well. Sure enough, that did the trick!

I had left the panel mounting bolts loose, so a few days later I went back to make sure everything was routed properly and snugged down. In doing so I jostled the computer a little, and it went back to acting like the chip wasn't there. I took the computer back out and noticed the contacts had tiny scratch marks in them, so I used toothpaste to polish them until they were perfectly shiny. Then I cleaned the connector 5 times with rubbing alcohol to make sure every molecule of residue was gone.

I've worked with computers and electronics for most of my life, and I've never seen any connection that's so sensitive. If you haven't cleaned that connector obsessively enough to make Howard Hughes proud, I can almost guarantee that's why your chip isn't working.

Posted by: driller

Quote:

Originally Posted by segxr7

I had left the panel mounting bolts loose, so a few days later I went back to make sure everything was routed properly and snugged down. In doing so I jostled the computer a little, and it went back to acting like the chip wasn't there.

Duct Tape!

Posted by: 281DOHC

Hey, I had to send the ECM & Chip so they could trouble shoot the problem, Well I finally got it yesterday it was ready installed in my ECM so I just plugged it in and started right away, but I can't tell the difrence, all i seen was a drop in gas before I was getting about 27mpg & now 22mpg. The chip was from LMS they jusy had it burn on a diablo chip. What do you guys think?
Gene is a good Guy! He had it over night ship!

Posted by: Lonnie

I don't know much about Geno's tuning and chips or who actually does the programming so I'm in no way implying anything. There are times that a simple mistake is made in the programming, it can happen to anyone. Then a chip could be just bad. I've had some in the past that have take the burn and then not work at all. Taken the same program and burning it into another chip and it worked fine. I have also found that not all the of the EEC IV Marks are created equally. Since I've been tuning them I've figured out pretty much all of the tuning problems associated with them.

I don't care for the Diablo software to be truthful. They are lacking a lot of parameters that the SCT stuff I use covers.

Give him a chance to figure it out.

Posted by: poniesviii

I say SCT and dynotune if the facilities are available anywhere near where you live, then it's a chip for YOUR car, I don't see how everyone can worship something that wasn't tuned for their particular engine.. especially after miles are on. I bet if a car was tuned to perfection from the factory, and driven 20 thousand miles.. you could retune it and see gains.

Posted by: 281DOHC

Thanks for the replys.

Posted by: Lonnie

Quote:

Originally Posted by poniesviii

I say SCT and dynotune if the facilities are available anywhere near where you live, then it's a chip for YOUR car, I don't see how everyone can worship something that wasn't tuned for their particular engine.. especially after miles are on. I bet if a car was tuned to perfection from the factory, and driven 20 thousand miles.. you could retune it and see gains.

You are mixing up standard off the shelf type programs with custom programs. There's a big difference between them. You can get the standard cookie cutter off the shelf program from any chip dealer such as Jet, Diablo, Superchips and even SCT has them. These like you pointed out are built to work with any vehicle and are not customized to any one vehicle. Then you have those that actually provide custom tuning by mail order and or dyno tuning. For mail order you have to provide additional info on your vehicle in order to have the program properly built. The dealer/tuner needs to have a lot of experience with dyno tuning the type of vehicle they are building the program for also. Dyno tuning is the best way to go since it is the quickest and hopefully correct. When you do have your vehicle dyno tuned you need to make sure it is also driven on the street to make sure all is good and it's streetable. Most dyno shops will only tune for WOT on the dyno and then leave you with a vehicle that doesn't behave on the street. So you have a give and take either way you go.

I don't use off the shelf programs in any of my programming, they are all custom built. I have had several customers take their vehicles to a dyno after installing my programming and found they paid $300 more for a dyno tune that only got them 3 - 7 more hp than what I provided them. And that their drivability was in the gutter with the dyno tune.

Posted by: turborich

Quote:

Originally Posted by 281DOHC

Hey, I had to send the ECM & Chip so they could trouble shoot the problem, Well I finally got it yesterday it was ready installed in my ECM so I just plugged it in and started right away, but I can't tell the difrence, all i seen was a drop in gas before I was getting about 27mpg & now 22mpg. The chip was from LMS they jusy had it burn on a diablo chip. What do you guys think?
Gene is a good Guy! He had it over night ship!

Just wondering, Can you tell a difference with the LMS chip yet? I bought one and there has been issues as well. I am in the process of trying to get the issues worked out now.

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by turborich

Just wondering, Can you tell a difference with the LMS chip yet? I bought one and there has been issues as well. I am in the process of trying to get the issues worked out now.

I can't tell to this day the best thing you can do is upgrade to 2.5" true dual exhaust from SCP. you will fill the difrence.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

If you can't tell then why wouldn't you get a hold of us? Makes no sense? Call me up, lets talk.

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

If you can't tell then why wouldn't you get a hold of us? Makes no sense? Call me up, lets talk.

You don't rember you guys said you can only do so much with the chip? So Why would I spend more money in shipping charges when I paid twice to have shipped. P.S I spoke with Gene about this and thats when Gene said you only could do so much with a chip, so what does that tell you? If I would of know you where going to sell me a diablo chip I would of just bought it in the first place with SuperCoupePerformanceParts.com but o well.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Like I said It is our program in a Diablo Blank because they raised the amount of BLACK BLANKS (that we previously burned onto) that you have to buy to get the private label status and we decided NOT to buy a TON of black blanks and sit on them for trickle sales, we then just email Chris our files, he burns them onto a Diablo blank and ships them.

I have this program in my car yet mine as well as many other DZA1's are working fine, one in this thread in fact.

ILL pay the shipping hell I paid for the last EXPRESS SHIPPING, send me recipts and I will pay the S&H like I did with Rich. Not a problem.

So your not getting any MPG gains? Better shifts? Power?

Then send it back and Ill do another file on MY SHIPPING.

I NEVER said we can only do so much with a chip either, I know what I said. I said we can only do so much with the shift firmness NOT the chip as a whole. I even recommended you to get a shift kit to rectify your shift needs.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by segxr7

I also have a '95 with the DZA1 computer, and I bought an LMS chip about a month ago.

I cleaned the contacts per the instructions and installed it. The car fired right up, but I noticed no difference at all. I called Geno, and he said to clean the contacts until the copper traces underneath the solder are completely exposed, and to disconnect the battery for 30 minutes as well. Sure enough, that did the trick!

I had left the panel mounting bolts loose, so a few days later I went back to make sure everything was routed properly and snugged down. In doing so I jostled the computer a little, and it went back to acting like the chip wasn't there. I took the computer back out and noticed the contacts had tiny scratch marks in them, so I used toothpaste to polish them until they were perfectly shiny. Then I cleaned the connector 5 times with rubbing alcohol to make sure every molecule of residue was gone.

I've worked with computers and electronics for most of my life, and I've never seen any connection that's so sensitive. If you haven't cleaned that connector obsessively enough to make Howard Hughes proud, I can almost guarantee that's why your chip isn't working.

Serg, any gains?

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

Like I said It is our program in a Diablo Blank because they raised the amount of BLACK BLANKS (that we previously burned onto) that you have to buy to get the private label status and we decided NOT to buy a TON of black blanks and sit on them for trickle sales, we then just email Chris our files, he burns them onto a Diablo blank and ships them.

I have this program in my car yet mine as well as many other DZA1's are working fine, one in this thread in fact.

ILL pay the shipping hell I paid for the last EXPRESS SHIPPING, send me recipts and I will pay the S&H like I did with Rich. Not a problem.

So your not getting any MPG gains? Better shifts? Power?

Then send it back and Ill do another file on MY SHIPPING.

I NEVER said we can only do so much with a chip either, I know what I said. I said we can only do so much with the shift firmness NOT the chip as a whole. I even recommended you to get a shift kit to rectify your shift needs.

If you rember I send you my ECM, so you can read the code, when you sent it back the chip is like weld to the ECM I try to take it off to buy a chip from a nother company but the chip is like welded to the ECM and I don't never want to have down time like last time because the only way to send you the chip is to send the whole ECM again and thats no fun.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Look the chip is NOT "WELDED" to the ecm?
Are you for real?
OMG this is too much, we would never ever "weld" a chip to the ecm. Couldn't be done anyway, there is no physical way to "weld" a chip to the board in your ecm. The chips contacts are enclosed in the plastic surrounding making it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do what you claim.

It will come out.

Again let me make this perfectly CLEAR!! You told me YOUR computer had a sticker with a new number on it meaning it was REFLASHED at some point from the delaer which would require us or any other chip make have to READ the ECM to get the new code that was reflashed into the ecm thus making it possible to make the proper chip.

So if you pulled your chip and sent it to us you wouldn't need to send the ecm too.

So you never told me, you have no MPG gains? No firmer higher shifts? No power?

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

Look the chip is NOT "WELDED" to the ecm?
Are you for real?
OMG this is too much, we would never ever "weld" a chip to the ecm. Couldn't be done anyway, there is no physical way to "weld" a chip to the board in your ecm. The chips contacts are enclosed in the plastic surrounding making it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do what you claim.

It will come out.

Again let me make this perfectly CLEAR!! You told me YOUR computer had a sticker with a new number on it meaning it was REFLASHED at some point from the delaer which would require us or any other chip make have to READ the ECM to get the new code that was reflashed into the ecm thus making it possible to make the proper chip.

So if you pulled your chip and sent it to us you wouldn't need to send the ecm too.

So you never told me, you have no MPG gains? No firmer higher shifts? No power?

I have one question why do you care after all these months???? If I called you and talk to you over the phone so why know do you want to make things right??? I don't need you to come down. I dont need your services after all these months. I rather buy a new ecm and a new chip from some one else, so take care, and help your new customers not the old ones from a couple months ago it's to late for trying to help me so have a great life.....

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Like I said we are and always were willing to help you, still am. But it is your choice.

You do not need a new ecm.

The fact that you claim it was welded to the chip is funny though since it is cmpletely impossible to do so.

You can knock me and my company all you want but we do have the best customer service in this industry hands down, we only ever gave 3 refunds on chips in 10 years, tell me another company that can claim this.
You have a great life too.

Posted by: Joeychgo

You cant weld the chip in. Geno's right, its impossible. I dont even think it could be soldered in. Besides, why would anyone want to? there is no need, it plugs in. Trying to do anything like solder would take a tremendous amount of time.

Let me tell you something about Geno. He is great with customer service. When I first "met" him, he spent an hour on th phone with me telling me how to do something for something he doesnt even sell.

Geno's customer service, has always been tops from anyone Ive ever spoken to.

Posted by: Frogman

How do you Weld a chip again?

281, maybe the chip is on there tight, but I don't think Geno would permanently bond a chip to your computer. Why would he?

Posted by: Joeychgo

Not only why - but HOW?

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Not only why - but HOW?

When I sent the ECM, I recived it back soldered to the ECM I try to remove it because of gas loss but could not because it was soldered thats how I recived back from them they said I cleaned to much so they had to fix the lines where the chip goes so it must of got stuck to the ECM and I didn't want to brake it, but any ways thats my story. Good Luck To All....

Posted by: Joeychgo

From them who????

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

From them who????

LMS team. thats what we been talking about... P.S I ment to say soldered NOT WELDED......

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

From Chris.
Ill call him tomorrow but I cannot imgine him soldering it to the board.
Ill know tomorrow for sure.

Can you take a pic?

I do remember Chris telling me that he had to build up the contacts again because thy were overcleaned and they were too shallow but I cannot imagine him trying to solder it to the chip.

Please take a photo and attach it.

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

From Chris.
Ill call him tomorrow but I cannot imgine him soldering it to the board.
Ill know tomorrow for sure.

Can you take a pic?

I do remember Chris telling me that he had to build up the contacts again because thy were overcleaned and they were too shallow but I cannot imagine him trying to solder it to the chip.

Please take a photo and attach it.

I will take a pic and post it.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Cool please do because if it is for some reason soldered somehow I will be giving Chris a call tomorrow for sure.

Posted by: Frogman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Not only why - but HOW?

Well, that's a silly question!

Duct Tape and Bubble gum! Jeez! Do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you?

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 281DOHC

P.S I ment to say soldered NOT WELDED......

We figured that.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman

Well, that's a silly question!

Duct Tape and Bubble gum! Jeez! Do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you?

LMAO!!

I use Bubble Gum.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman

Well, that's a silly question!

Duct Tape and Bubble gum! Jeez! Do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you?

See, I was thinking elmers glue...

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

I am on the phone right now with Chris and he said all he did was "build up" some contacts with solder but there is now way at all that he would have soldered the chip to the board quite simply because it couldn't be done because there is no physical way to get in there to make the older contact the connectors.

SO it is NOT soldered to the board.

Any pics yet?

Posted by: Scorpio1118_2000

I was just wondering if your chip has to be reflashed if you added something like 4.10 gaers. And would I have to send it back to you to do that?

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Yes.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

No photos yet?

Posted by: turborich

I think that 281DOHC is just tired of the hassle and wants to forget about it.
I can understand as trouble shooting one of your chips is some what time consuming since it has to be shipped back and forth.

One additional thing. You say to take the contacts down to copper, Your PDQ guy and the included directions say not to do this. A little confusing.

Posted by: Frogman

Ok, now I have a question for you Geno. Is a chip the only way to go with a pre OBD II Mark?

I mean, short of a stand alone computer, etc.

Posted by: turborich

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman

Ok, now I have a question for you Geno. Is a chip the only way to go with a pre OBD II Mark?

I mean, short of a stand alone computer, etc.

That was a good question.

Posted by: Frogman

Yeah... I come up with them now and then.

Posted by: turborich

Yeah, when your not being a smarta$$!!!

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by turborich

I think that 281DOHC is just tired of the hassle and wants to forget about it.
I can understand as trouble shooting one of your chips is some what time consuming since it has to be shipped back and forth.

One additional thing. You say to take the contacts down to copper, Your PDQ guy and the included directions say not to do this. A little confusing.

No he is not, he made a rediculous claim that would never happen & couldn't physically be done and I am calling him on it that's all.

You act like all our chips have this problem.

He was REFLASHED he had to be read!! ANY chip maker would have to perform what happened to him to anyones computer simply it didnt work because it was reflashed and the box HAD to be read period, there is no way around it. Him being reflashed has NOTHING to do with me at all.

I TRIED to help him.

When I say down to copper I do not mean ALL COPPER, just a hint of copper showing through, this insures your through all the coatings.

He went too far and they had to build up the contacts again.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman

Ok, now I have a question for you Geno. Is a chip the only way to go with a pre OBD II Mark?

I mean, short of a stand alone computer, etc.

The RIGHHT chip, yes. There are many other options.

Posted by: Frogman

The eff?

Dude, I was only asking iif a chip is the only opption for OBD I!

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

You know it is not the only option.

Posted by: Frogman

Actually, I don't, Geno. I don't have an OBD I car. When I had my 93 and 95, I wasn't really into the performance aspect of cars yet.

Posted by: turborich

I understand that his computer was reflashed at some point, mine did not have a reflash sticker on it. I never said that all your chips are bad. I only said that he probally just doesn't want to deal with it and that the copper thing could be confusing. Here is an example.

Like I told you, when I tried my chip I first followed the directions, then took it all the way down to the copper, then I built it back up again after hearing that you shouldn't do this from PDQ. I'm sure your chips work good, just not for a couple of us.

I would recomend a dyno tune from a good tuner in your area. That way all of the issues if any can be worked out at that time. (no shipping)

Quote:

Originally Posted by segxr7

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by turborich

I understand that his computer was reflashed at some point, mine did not have a reflash sticker on it. I never said that all your chips are bad. I only said that he probally just doesn't want to deal with it and that the copper thing could be confusing. Here is an example.

Like I told you, when I tried my chip I first followed the directions, then took it all the way down to the copper, then I built it back up again after hearing that you shouldn't do this from PDQ. I'm sure your chips work good, just not for a couple of us.

I would recomend a dyno tune from a good tuner in your area. That way all of the issues if any can be worked out at that time. (no shipping)

Just wanted to clear up some thing My Ecm was never reflashed It had the original code & never had a reflash sticker, My ecm was original I don't know why they said that I said that any ways the ecm has never touch by any one intill I send to LMS but any ways I don't care I will soon replace my ECM and get a new chip from SCP and will let you guys know how it works out!! Know lets drop all this because it's not worth all this drama. 281 DOHC

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

Thats all bull you know it my ecm WAS NEVER FLASHED YOU GUYS PROGRAMED WRONG!! MY ECM WAS NEVER FLASHED OUR TOUCH IT HAD THE ORIGINAL CODE. JUST TELL IT THE WAY IT WAS. I WANTED A REFUND BUT YOU SAID YOU WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM BUT THE PROBLEM GOT WORST, MY FAULT FOR BELIVING IN YOU GENE!! 281 DOHC....

Posted by: Frogman

Now, I'm not sticking up for Geno here, lord knows I give him more grief about his stuff than anyone, but how do you know for a FACT that ecm hadn't been flashed before? If the car is under warranty, FORD reserves the right to flash to their content. Just because the tech who flashed it didn't put a sticker on it, it don't mean it has never been flashed.

How do you know it's never been flashed?

Posted by: Joeychgo

Quote:

Originally Posted by 281DOHC

You have no idea if your ECM was ever flashed. You arent the only owner of that car. You know know how the chip was programmed. You make accusations that you cant back up.

Know what -- Ive known Geno for about 4 years now. I have sent dozens of customers to him and own many of his products myself, including a chip.

I have never once heard anyone complain about his service like you are. I have never once heard anything like the kind of story your telling. And here you are, making him sound like a scammer who just is interested in ripping you off.

Posted by: 281DOHC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Well joeychgo, thats what this fourm is all about to share and learn we all love are MARK VIII we are here to get the best performance out of are 4.6 v8 so we all test diffrent parts to get more hp and share the out come & we are all diffrent people we can't always have same input.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Quote:

Originally Posted by 281DOHC

I am telling it "the way it was" as you say.

Why on Earth would I ask you to send your box in then? Your first chip DIDN't start, this dictates either poor installation (which it wasnt) or a reflash.

The ONLY reason you would need to send a box in EVER to be read was if it was reflashed or if we didn't have the code to begin with. We obviously had the code so you were reflashed for sure.

Still waiting for those SOLDERED photos?

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