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Moved: Credibility Poll back up

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Posted by: Vitas

The poll results, before Bryan "moved" the thread, is:

6 for Fossten

10 for Barry

2 for Sparky.

Posted by: MonsterMark

I didn't change a couple of settings that would have prevented the same people who had already voted from voting twice. Those of you who voted twice know who you are. Shame shame.

I'm done with it. Too much crying and whining. You guys do it if you want it.

Posted by: Vitas

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Too much crying and whining.

YOU are the one who presented the poll. So, who was crying and whining. Fossten, obviously.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitas

YOU are the one who presented the poll. So, who was crying and whining. Fossten, obviously.

Fossten never said a word about the poll, period. Not by PM, email, phone, anything. He never whines. He stands up for himself. He doesn't need anyone to watch his backside. Just because he has been hammering you doesn't give you the right to take a cheap shot. Fossten never said a word, OK!

Barry PM'd me and was asking when I was going to take the poll down. I originally said I was going to leave it up for 1 day. The next day came, I pulled it down immediately after reading his PM. I felt the poll had served its purpose. The score that I saw when I pulled it was 3 Fossten, 4 Barry, 2 Sparky. Some say Barry had a 5th vote, so be it. I didn't vote officially but I posted that the poll was a tie counting in my vote based on the original numbers. I also said that if Fossten had been ahead by one vote, I would have tossed my vote in for Barry. I also said if both guys were tied, I would have voted for Sparky the dog.

I put the poll back up and several (meaning 3-7) of you guys voted twice. You know who you are. So do I go back and yank those votes? Do I called the Feds and report the double votes?

Anyway, if you really want a poll, nothing is stopping you from putting one up.

Once I realized this poll was tainted, that was it for me. Although Barry whines about fairness all the time, that is exactly what I did with this poll and why it is now pulled down. SO, if you want it, you do it.

If I get a complaint about it, out it goes. Obviously nothing was learned from the experience.

Posted by: Frogman

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

I didn't change a couple of settings that would have prevented the same people who had already voted from voting twice. Those of you who voted twice know who you are. Shame shame.

Uhhhhh..

By default, the vB software only lets users vote once. Matter of fact, short of an admin changing the actual vote count, I don't recall any option in vB Options, or anywhere else in the Admin CP that lets you do that. I'll have to go back and look, as I am not 100% sure.

Edit: The only way I could see people voting more than once is if you selected the "Allow multiple choice: Give users the ability to select more than one answer" checkbox. In which case, it would still not let one double vote for one person.

Oh well...

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman

By default, the vB software only lets users vote once.

Yes, but I recreated the poll. It was not sent to trash. It was deleted and a new post was put up in its place with the old numbers added to the post. As an admin, you can see who voted. I saw that some people voted again on the new poll that originally voted in the 1st one. They could and they did because it was a new post. Not the same post pulled from the trash. That's the problem here.

And nobody had the guts to fess up. Oh well.

Start your own poll, from scratch.

Posted by: Frogman

Ok. I thought you un-softdeleted it. Yeah, I know you can see who voted. Admin CP/threads & Posts/Who Voted, select the right vote.

And since it's a new poll... umm. Shouldn't the people be allowed to vote again?

After all, it's a NEW poll, no? Maybe some have changed their minds in the meantime? :dunno:

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman

Ok. I thought you un-softdeleted it. Yeah, I know you can see who voted. Admin CP/threads & Posts/Who Voted, select the right vote.

And since it's a new poll... umm. Shouldn't the people be allowed to vote again?

After all, it's a NEW poll, no? Maybe some have changed their minds in the meantime? :dunno:

Do me a favor, you put it up. We can start from scratch and see where it goes. Seems the only way to make anybody happy.

Posted by: Vitas

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Do me a favor, you put it up. We can start from scratch and see where it goes. Seems the only way to make anybody happy.

I think that in running a Poll there is an option to show who it was that voted.

Should solve the issue, for the most part, except for those that do not want to be identified in their vote.

Posted by: MonsterMark

See the new poll as posted by Frogman. Hopefully that clears it up.

Posted by: Vitas

I saw the Poll, it does not have the election of identifying the voter.

And, frankly, it is difficult for me to interpret why you pulled the previous Poll.

Posted by: Frogman

I pondered doing that in my thread, but I didn't want to dissuade people from voting for fear of not being anonymous.

Posted by: fossten

Maybe I should go have cigar sex with an intern so more of you people will vote for me. (Like I care)

This is retarded.

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitas

I saw the Poll, it does not have the election of identifying the voter.

And, frankly, it is difficult for me to interpret why you pulled the previous Poll.

Seems pretty clear to me. Bryan manipulated the data in the first poll and reported that it was a tie when it clearly wasn't. Then he ran a second poll when the results didn't go his way, which I consider to be vindictive. His boy lost in that poll, too. Now he encourages others to post their own poll on the same subject again singleing me out. He even posts that he should start a "Vitas vs. Barry" poll even though he knows that Vitas and I have agreed to stay out of each others posts. This agreement was arranged by Bryan.

It this the duty of a Moderator or Adminstrator? Not only is Bryan not "fair and impartial", he outright lied about the first poll, coming up with some lame excuse about not seeing the results. Does anyone with half a brain believe this? The he admits that he resurected the post as a basis for the second one and still never admits his deception.

For all of you that think I'm causing an unnecessary stink, I want you to know that I addressed some of these items in PM to Bryan and he chose to ignore me, making this a public spectacle.

As a lawyer-to-be I'll bet even David has a problem with this stinker. I think Sparky has more credibility than Bryan.

BTW, Vitas, Thank you. You are a mench.

Posted by: MonsterMark

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

I love seeing you twist in the wind my friend. Spin like a top, however you want. You know the truth and choose to ignore it.

Why don't you just admit you voted twice. Come on, be a man. Admit it. Cleanse your soul. Or should I post proof.

And where did I say I should post a Vitas vs Barry contest?
I did make the insinuation that you seem to be deliciously entertained by personally attacking everyone. Starting with me, moving on to Vitas (glad to see you are butt-buddies now

), then Fossten and now recently Calabrio. The record and the posts are there for all to see.

Admit you double voted or forever be seen as a cheater. Heck, I'll even accept you double voted by mistake like the a-hole democrat congressman from Illinois running for office in Wisconsin now.

and the poll was 3,4,2 when I went to pull it down. I've accepted the fact that a 5th vote might have come in in your favor when I was in the process of pulling it down.

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

What you fail to realize, Mr. Liar, is that when your poll came up a second time I, nor anyone else knew we could vote twice in your extended poll because we got the selection window, thinking it was a new poll. I may have voted in the second poll. When I did vote there was a message that I had already voted so I assumed that my second vote didn't count. You set the poll up for failure and then blame the ones that voted. How can you find anything nefarious about a double vote seeing as you set up the potential?

If you hadn't removed your previous handywork I would gladly poing out wher you tried to set Vitas against me in a poll. Impartial? Look at who's the a-hole now.

Please point out where I've attacked Calabrio. I respect him. I don't respect you.

I'll ask Calabrio again. Would you have blindly protected Bryan's integrity with your "recount" comment had you know that the numbers were manipulated by Bryan, which he now admits?

Posted by: Calabrio

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

I'll ask Calabrio again. Would you have blindly protected Bryan's integrity with your "recount" comment had you know that the numbers were manipulated by Bryan, which he now admits?

Personally, I think the idea of this poll was well intentioned but destined to devolve into a bitter mess. Bryan's intention wasn't to make anyone look good, be it Fossten or Barry, but to prepare his dog for political office.

Some of you guys seem to have invested a lot of emotion into the silly poll. I have absolutely no reason to think that Bryan would be lying about anything. He's posted, in a matter of fact manner, exactly what took place.

The poll was fundamentally flawed. By virtue of it being pulled and then reposted with numbers that reflect the old count, people were innocently able to vote twice. I'm not hearing anyone dispute this.

I don't see how Bryan had any other alternative in keeping with his goal to be a neutral judge but to do what he did. And last I checked, this recent poll being run by Frogman also has everyone tied at 3 votes a piece.

But, there's nothing to debate. This whole subject is silly and pointless. Everything is out on the table. Let's just move on, and maybe, just possibly, return to some degree of civility and good faith.

Posted by: barry2952

You must have missed this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

Why don't you just admit you voted twice. Come on, be a man. Admit it. Cleanse your soul. Or should I post proof.

And where did I say I should post a Vitas vs Barry contest?
I did make the insinuation that you seem to be deliciously entertained by personally attacking everyone. Starting with me, moving on to Vitas (glad to see you are butt-buddies now

Posted by: fossten

I told you, Calabrio, barry is obsessed with me. He can't be civil, nor can he be logical and debate like a normal human being. See how he attacks Bryan? He's done that before with another sticky in this forum. See how he attacks you?

Stomp them little feet, barry. You have no credibility, considering all the votes you received were from people who also have no credibility. Keep on stomping while I sit back and laugh. Look at you: Whining and crying just like some liberal wacko who screams voter fraud when his party loses. You actually care so much about how these people see you that it causes you to lose sleep at night as you sit up and protest the implausible.

I don't pity you.

P.S. As of this writing, I'm up 5 to 3 on you. Don't go sucking on an exhaust pipe yet, though. I'm sure some more of your wacko friends will find a way to allow some dead people to vote like you Fiberals did in Ohio.

Posted by: barry2952

Nice spam in your sig.

Posted by: fossten

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Nice spam in your sig.

What are you talking about?

Posted by: MonsterMark

He is talking about your resumepayday.com link in your sig which only shows that you are a capable individual, willing to lend a hand (for a fee I presume) to help someone get ahead. Bravo for you.

Calabrio, I appreciate the comments.

I started the poll in an attempt to stop the silly bickering back and forth. Didn't work.

I have explained myself in detail what went on. I am not going to regurgitate further.

As of THIS POINT IN TIME, I have not made a phone call, sent a PM or email or in any other way tried to contact any other board member in an attempt to curry favor with them.

I get a kick out of Barry. I explained that if he was a vote behind, he would have gotten my vote. I explained that if things were tied, I wouldn't break the tie. Don't know what else to do. My mistake was not leaving the poll up until there was a clear winner.

Let's at least use this as a lesson for what is going on in the Middle East.

Hummm. How do I do this? Is Barry Israel or is Fossten? Fossten can't be Israel because he gives Jews a bad name. Remember? Anyway, I digress. Israel and Lebanon have been going at it for a long time. They finally get to clear things up with one side being the clear victor. Along comes the UN (ME, if you can believe it) and attempts to create peace without anyone's feelings getting hurt. Herein lies the problem. At least one of the contestants obviously needs there to be a clear victor. Same as with Israel and Hezbollah (Lebanon). Without a clear and convincing winner, there will never be peace. The two sides will always be itching for a fight.

Can you find a better analogy between what happened here on this forum regarding the poll and what is happening in the Middle East right now? Pretty scary similarities.

I have to LMAO everytime I have to post about this.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by barry2952

I may have voted in the second poll. When I did vote there was a message that I had already voted so I assumed that my second vote didn't count.

My mistake as I have stated. I deleted the thread instead of soft-deleting as Frogman pointed out.

So,..................................... We put up a brand new fresh poll. We'll let it run its course.

If someone thinks I will play with the numbers, I'll be happy to post the actual votes. It won't reveal the members actual vote unless the group votes on it. That's the best I can do.

Next time, I won't try to appease Barry. It has never gotten me anywhere the past couple of years. Only grief.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Boy, you guys will fight about anything!!!

Posted by: barry2952

So Bryan,

If you knew it was your "mistake", why did you post this?

"Why don't you just admit you voted twice. Come on, be a man. Admit it. Cleanse your soul. Or should I post proof.

And where did I say I should post a Vitas vs Barry contest?
I did make the insinuation that you seem to be deliciously entertained by personally attacking everyone. Starting with me, moving on to Vitas (glad to see you are butt-buddies now ), then Fossten and now recently Calabrio. The record and the posts are there for all to see.

Admit you double voted or forever be seen as a cheater. Heck, I'll even accept you double voted by mistake like the a-hole democrat congressman from Illinois running for office in Wisconsin now."

BTW, everyone. I have it on good authority that Byran's excuse about the second poll is BS. I've also learned that Private Mail is not private. As Administrator Bryan can look at everything we write. So much for Bryan's credibility.

Bryan admitted he fixed the first poll numbers, accused others of duplicate votes on the second when it was his doing and calls for a third poll when his buddy loses the first two. Then he tries to set Vitas againsts me when he knows we have history. Then he removes the posts so that no one can refute his remarks. Real fair Bryan. Some Administrator.

Posted by: RB3

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Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by RB3

Error

Here's the post that Mr. Sour Grapes deleted:

If you are so dissatisfied with this board THEN GO AWAY!!!! Your endless whining, complaining, and self-pity is insufferable.

And what do you, of all people, know about being a "fair" administrator. Once you became a moderator over at "The Lincoln Forum" you endlessly violated the rules about no political discussions, and anyone who disagreed with you, or dared criticise you was not only booted off, but an investigation was conducted to find out who the person was! It is thanks to you that all the nice people left there, leaving only a few know it alls who suck up to you.
***************

Too bad none of it is true.

Posted by: barry2952

Here's another example of Bryan's deceit. He stated that he did nothing to skew the poll. Read the last line.

"Anybody else see 5 votes for Barry. I clearly didn't. If someone else did, chime in and we'll get him the extra vote. I'm not trying to manipulate anything. I'll make this fair and square, like I do with everything else on this forum.

But, the gloves are off. I'll be back this evening and get busy with the emails and phone calls."

Posted by: fossten

Excuse me barry, [edit] but it's none of your damn business what I post in my sig. Furthermore, if you had half a brain in your head, which you obviously don't, you'd understand the difference between a link to a legitimate site for business, and spam, which is, in fact, normally identified by unsolicited popups, which I'm sure you're quite familiar with. [edit]

If you weren't so busy hating everything in sight you'd probably be supportive of anyone who learns a skill, takes their own money and buys webspace, and takes the time to put up a website in order to get business. The fact that you, out of personal, churlish spite, see fit to take ad hominem, DEFAMING potshots at someone's legitimate business just shows that you [edit] ....

By the way, when Bryan edits this post, you can repost it since you are fond of copy/pasting people's posts after they change their minds and edit themselves. Or are you too much of a coward to do that?

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

Excuse me barry, ]edit] but it's none of your damn business what I post in my sig. Furthermore, if you had half a brain in your head, which you obviously don't, you'd understand the difference between a link to a legitimate site for business, and spam, which is, in fact, normally identified by unsolicited popups, which I'm sure you're quite familiar with [edit]

If you weren't so busy hating everything in sight you'd probably be supportive of anyone who learns a skill, takes their own money and buys webspace, and takes the time to put up a website in order to get business. The fact that you, out of personal, churlish spite, see fit to take ad hominem, DEFAMING potshots at someone's legitimate business just shows [edit]

By the way, when Bryan edits this post, you can repost it since you are fond of copy/pasting people's posts after they change their minds and edit themselves. Or are you too much of a coward to do that?

Grow up [edit].

Posted by: RB3

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry2952

Gee...I wasn't going to allow myself to be sucked back into this forum, but since you insist...

I am amazed you were able to grab my quote in the 60 seconds it was up, by accident, before I deleted it. Once in awhile when I read something that really disgusts me, as many of your posts do, I write a reply and then delete it before posting it. It's theraputic, and allows me to vent without actually getting dragged into this morass. This morning, I had an "aw shoot" moment and clicked the wrong button.

I stand by every word I wrote though, except the part that only the "know it alls who suck up to you are left." That's not entirely true, some nice people are left, not allowing themselves to be driven off by you.

For the record, this entire thread is inappropriate in my view. It represents a personal attack on Fossten, and even on Barry. It doesn't belong in a Political forum.

And now I shall resume my life sans participation here. Fossten, Calabrio, Bryan, you're doing a great job. But it is futile to try to teach pigs to fly. (And that's directed against Liberalism in general, not to anyone in particular Barry)

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by RB3

FYI, when you post a response, anyone who has previously posted on a thread gets an e-mail of the contents whether you delete it or not. The option is in the "Notification Type:" box under Additional Options.

Posted by: fossten

RB3's got a point. This thread is nothing more than a bash thread instead of a political thread. IMHO barry has bullied Bryan into granting sanction to barry to make personal attacks. He's done this by accusing Bryan of being a bad administrator and taking advantage of knowing that Bryan wants everybody to think he's fair.

Of course, there's not one shred of barry's behavior that's above reproach. In fact, he's gone too far by defaming my business. I'm not sure if that's actionable under the tort laws, but I'm going to find out. As long as barry's post about my sig is up in this thread, it serves as evidence that I can and will attempt to use legally. At the very least it should be cause for banning.

Posted by: barry2952

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossten

RB3's got a point. This thread is nothing more than a bash thread instead of a political thread. IMHO barry has bullied Bryan into granting sanction to barry to make personal attacks. He's done this by accusing Bryan of being a bad administrator and taking advantage of knowing that Bryan wants everybody to think he's fair.

Of course, there's not one shred of barry's behavior that's above reproach. In fact, he's gone too far by defaming my business. I'm not sure if that's actionable under the tort laws, but I'm going to find out. As long as barry's post about my sig is up in this thread, it serves as evidence that I can and will attempt to use legally. At the very least it should be cause for banning.

Even a moron wouldn't find anything objectionable in my comment, but have at it, Mr. Lawyer.

Posted by: Frogman

Jesus, people! It's the forking internet! Talking about legal action against something said on the internet in a CAR RELATED FORUM!!!! about you, your company, etc is just plain retarded! It's the Internet! Jesus... Well, as someone once said, "Arguing on the Internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still a retard."

Gah!

Posted by: MonsterMark

ttt just for Barry

Posted by: Vitas

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMark

ttt just for Barry

Fair enough. Barry would have won in the first poll had I voted, had you not closed the poll prematurely.