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Posted by: hotrodLSC

what a kit costs to change over to spring/shock combo? i really want to get rid of this crappy air bags. i was thinking just get the springs/shocks/front lower control arms from a 87-88 thunderbird. what else would i need? let me know if i forget something

Posted by: JoshMcMadMac

check www.strutmasters.com or www.arnottindustries.com for their conversion kits. However, I must profess that an airbag system is easier to work with, cheaper in the long run, and much more luxurious than springs. I think that we can help you get your air ride system up to snuff for less than you would spend on a conversion.

Posted by: OldSchool1

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Originally Posted by hotrodLSC

what a kit costs to change over to spring/shock combo? i really want to get rid of this crappy air bags. i was thinking just get the springs/shocks/front lower control arms from a 87-88 thunderbird. what else would i need? let me know if i forget something

What makes your air ride springs crappy?

Posted by: hotrodLSC

i have never liked the air bags, but i will eventually change over cuz this is gonna be my drag car. hell, right now, my 02 sable has a better ride then my lincoln. i just prefer shock/springs configuration.

Posted by: JoshMcMadMac

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Originally Posted by hotrodLSC

i have never liked the air bags, but i will eventually change over cuz this is gonna be my drag car. hell, right now, my 02 sable has a better ride then my lincoln. i just prefer shock/springs configuration.

When used properly, the air ride suspension is better suited for drag applications.

Posted by: hotrodLSC

i don't think the stock air springs are strong enough. plus, the guy i bought the car from gave me all his recipes(?) that he had on it, and the dryer and compressor are from arnott. they were bought in march of this year, and i am already having a problem with it. my dad works for ford and he brought me a new dryer home, and it won't work. it mounts on the compressor differently. so, i am gonna call arnott tomorrow and see what we need to do.

Posted by: JSev22

Dude, before you trash your air ride why not do a little research. You will find that many of us drag our Mark's with the stock air ride. I'm looking to go 12s with mine

Posted by: NYC LS8

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Originally Posted by hotrodLSC

i don't think the stock air springs are strong enough.

There are guys running 11's & 12's with stock bags on slicks.

Posted by: OldSchool1

I've got five complete sets of bags (read the sig). When they go bad, I replace them with new, never before used, bags. Kind of like tires; when mine go bad, I don't replace them with solid rubber

OK. Now that us BAG HUGGERS have rained on your parade, I'm sure that there are just enough SPRING HUGGERS out there that will say the opposite.

"You don't miss the water until the well runs dry."
- Former Air Ride Spring Owner

Posted by: hotrodLSC

that is fine, to each his own. i am not a fan of bags, never have been. to be honest, i am not looking for a great ride. like i said, when the bags were working fine, my sable rode better. i don't want any of you guys to hate cuz i am new and say that i don't like the bags. when i get the chance, i will replace them with shock/springs.

Posted by: JoshMcMadMac

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Originally Posted by hotrodLSC

...when i get the chance, i will replace them with shock/springs.

Man, there are shocks on there already.

Posted by: Notorious LSC

You can get a spring replacement kit thru Lincoln Parts Int'l for about $300 bucks

Posted by: hotrodLSC

there are no shocks on it now. it just has the air bags

Posted by: Notorious LSC

OOH! that's got to be rough on the air bags.

Posted by: JoshMcMadMac

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Originally Posted by hotrodLSC

there are no shocks on it now. it just has the air bags

I believe we have found the issue with your poor ride quality. I am curious as to where your shocks went? There should be one on each corner! I would suggest putting shocks on the car (as you will want to do that regardless of springs or air bags) and then decide how you feel about the air ride suspension.

Posted by: JSev22

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Originally Posted by JoshMcMadMac

Actually there are 2 shocks in the back and 2 struts in front

Posted by: hotrodLSC

if they are on there, i would like to know where. with the air bags with no air in them, my exhaust drags the ground(yes, it has the stock exhaust) and the wheels are tucked in the wheel wells. when the bags are aired up, i have no problem with the ride. i have no idea as to what i am gonna do, i put a new dryer on it, and the back aired up, but the front will not. i did find that the o-ring at the compressor(from the dryer) broke on me. all i did was put the o-ring on the dryer and gently set it in the compressor. it still leaked, so i took the dryer off and noticed that the o-ring had a chunk missing from it. i have no idea as to where it went. what o-ring do i need for it?

Posted by: hotrodLSC

BTW, i had to use tie straps to let it stop leaking air. i straped it from the bottom of the compressor to top of the dryer.

Posted by: JoshMcMadMac

You need a #36 size o-ring for the base of the dryer. Also, shocks/struts do not control ride height; they control ride quality. The springs are what determine height. Check under there, you'll see them.

Posted by: hotrodLSC

i have looked under there and i really don't remember seeing any shock/struts

Posted by: hotrodLSC

well, i got my bags to air up, finally. i got o-rings from oreilly's(they are just regular black o-rings, not sure how long they will last). i had to put two o-rings at the dryer/compressor. i got under it and got a good look, and there are shocks/struts on it. i am very glad i get to drive my car again.

Posted by: mespock

Know the feeling. It's sad when the Marks are down!

Posted by: OldSchool1

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Originally Posted by hotrodLSC

that is fine, to each his own. i am not a fan of bags, never have been. to be honest, i am not looking for a great ride. like i said, when the bags were working fine, my sable rode better. i don't want any of you guys to hate cuz i am new and say that i don't like the bags. when i get the chance, i will replace them with shock/springs.

hehehehehehe

Brother ... somebody ... somewhere ... is gonna hate

The moment you let anyone know if it bothers you, we'll be on you like white on rice!

I'm loving bags.
I'm hating springs.

Posted by: hotrodLSC

well, it doesn't bother me. like i said, to each his own

Posted by: OldSchool1

Also, glad to see/read that you're not draggin anymore.

Now, you should start a TUNE UP thread and change one part per week all winter long. By warm weather, you'll be zipping all over the state in style!

By the way, which Greenville are you in?
Greenville, NC,
Greenville, SC,
Greenville, MS,
Greenville, TX,
Greenville, AL,
Greenville, IL?

Posted by: hotrodLSC

i am in greenville, TX. i haven't had problems with my air bags as of yet(thank GOD). the "check suspension" light comes ever now and then.

Posted by: chagan

I don't have any problems with ride height just that the car is very loose- got that old big car feeling of going over a bump and staying up in the air for a while, then bouncing a bit after coming down. Not a comfortable feeling, especially when cornering- I was used to my Mustang. Even my Cougar felt more suitable for performance driving. Is there a way to firm up, or is there a problem with, the air suspension? Or should I just forget about the air suspension for a moment and just consider it a symptom of needing new shocks and struts as with any other car that behaves this way? Are the shocks and struts standard or are they specific to an air suspension application? I.e. who was the OEM manufacturer of the originals? Thank you in advance.

Posted by: OldSchool1

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Originally Posted by chagan

I don't have any problems with ride height

Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by chagan

just that the car is very loose- got that old big car feeling of going over a bump and staying up in the air for a while, then bouncing a bit after coming down. Not a comfortable feeling, especially when cornering- I was used to my Mustang. Even my Cougar felt more suitable for performance driving. Is there a way to firm up, or is there a problem with, the air suspension?

That depends on the model of yourMark VII. Designers and base models have softer bags than LSCs.

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Originally Posted by chagan

Or should I just forget about the air suspension for a moment and just consider it a symptom of needing new shocks and struts as with any other car that behaves this way?

The YOUNGEST that your Mark VII can be is 13 years old. Any vehicle that's been standin for 13 years can benefit from new suspension parts.

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Originally Posted by chagan

Are the shocks and struts standard or are they specific to an air suspension application?

Base and Bill Blass models used standard shocks. LSCs and GTCs use different suspensions.

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Originally Posted by chagan

I.e. who was the OEM manufacturer of the originals? Thank you in advance.

Motorcraft. You're welcome in advance.

Posted by: chagan

Thanks again OldSchool. FYI it's an 88 LSC.

Posted by: OldSchool1

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Originally Posted by chagan

Thanks again OldSchool. FYI it's an 88 LSC.

You're welcome.
Read this page:
http://www.lscclub.org/cars/oldschool5/

Posted by: chagan

Nice info, you still have that one? Nice interior! Gonna take a little work to get mine there.

Posted by: mespock

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Originally Posted by OldSchool1

You're welcome.
Read this page:
http://www.lscclub.org/cars/oldschool5/

When it comes to the Mark VII Old School is da man!

Posted by: OldSchool1

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Originally Posted by chagan

Nice info,

Thank you. I either read most of it from my cars or stole the rest from Pro-Five-O.

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Originally Posted by chagan

you still have that one?

Yup. Took her for a spin just last Saturday. See: http://www.lscclub.org/meet/2005/20050416/

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Originally Posted by chagan

Nice interior!

Thank you.
I cheated.
I bought it that way. Read the odometer.

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Originally Posted by chagan

Gonna take a little work to get mine there.

http://www.mothers.com

Posted by: OldSchool1

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Originally Posted by mespock

When it comes to the Mark VII Old School is da man!

Thanks.
I see you finally changed your avitar to ... the dark side