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Goin to the track

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Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

THE TIME HAS FINALLY COME! I'm gonna fork out $69 for each of my cars for all day track racing. I've got my 2001 Lincoln LSV8 (shown below, complete with 40 series custom flowmaster exhaust, XCal II, custom cold air ram intake) and my '89 Camaro with a built 350 and a few other minor mods - hope to run high 13s.

My friend will have his video camera so I will for sure have some runs to show you guys but more importantly...

I'm finally going to test the XCal II to see the differences in my 1/4 mile times.

I don't know how many races I will get in, but I hope to do at least one with each tune, two or three stock and even two with the max tune in order to get some solid numbers.

I'm going on Saturday, the 19th. Hopefully I'll have videos up by Sunday eve. I'll post a link once I get it.

Posted by: fonsito

Good luck and im exited to see the vid!! Let me know

Posted by: Osaín

Good luck. I really want to know your thoughts on the Xcal. I want to get one, but it's hard to justify spending that much money on a "maybe".

Posted by: Black03

$69 for each one? Out here it is $17 for all night, I can easily get 6 or 7 runs in before I get tired and leave, most people will get a lot more than that.

Anyways, have fun and remember to post some times.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Good Luck. Can't wait to see the results.

Posted by: Fla02LS

Why dont you also do some runs with the stock intake vs. cold air intake. That'll settle some "maybe's"

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Traction and shifting accuracy are going to play a part in how well he'll be able to compare. I would just run as many times as needed to get a good consistent time with out the tune, then load the best one and see how much you can improve it. I guess you could start with the stock intake, then put it on, then add the tune. I don't need to see that, just curious what the Xcal can do.

Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Actually I gutted the stock intake. I no longer have the filter or box. All I have is my cone filter and tubing for a ram-air from lower grill. Too difficult to take out the ram-air and nothing to replace the cone filter w/ so I'll probably only be doing the before/afters w/ the XCal. The track is open from 9:30am to 3:30pm...I thought $69 seemed like a lot too but oh well. This track is 90 min away in WI, the next closest is 5 hrs away in IA!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01

Actually I gutted the stock intake. I no longer have the filter or box. All I have is my cone filter and tubing for a ram-air from lower grill. Too difficult to take out the ram-air and nothing to replace the cone filter w/ so I'll probably only be doing the before/afters w/ the XCal. The track is open from 9:30am to 3:30pm...I thought $69 seemed like a lot too but oh well. This track is 90 min away in WI, the next closest is 5 hrs away in IA!

???WI, where

Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Track is in Rock Falls a few miles south of Eau Claire.

I was only able to do two runs in the LS before an antifreeze leak got me kicked off the track for the day. Here is my best timeslip.

R/T ... .347
60 ... 2.390
330 ... 6.640
1/8 ... 10.034
MPH ... 73.02
1000 ... 12.921
1/4 ... 15.349
MPH ... 92.85

The guy next to me ran a 11.295 at 84.87 MPH! (I can't explain the MPH difference). Do you have any idea how funny this looked when I came crossing the finish line 4 secs later?!

That was WITH the XCal II running on Perf +4 (the max tune), custom cat-back exhaust and ram-air intake w/ cone filter no heat shield and minor weight reductions 99 octane gas with stock tires using the autosick shifting at the redline (ran it in third til I hit the traps) in about 75-80 degree weather.

My first run was a 15.5 or some BS.......Dissapointing...... IMO.

I will have a video of the run plus a video of my exhaust. Personally I think its the loudest LS exhaust I have ever seen, even louder than the LS w/ no cats or whatever that video was....

With more runs, a tune-up and a cooler day I'm sure I coulda gotten a 14.9 out of her. Then again, the whole thing just felt dissapointing.

This was the day I decided for sure that LS was going for an M3!

Posted by: beaups

ouch!!!

Posted by: Black03

"Do you have any idea how funny this looked when I came crossing the finish line 4 secs later?!"

Yeah, not quite as funny as when they lined me up against a 10 second car. I swear he was half way down the track before I hit the gas.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

It happens to everybody. I've been beaten by all kinds of stuff.

If the 60' can be improved to low 2.2s, that will get you close to 14.99.
Do you shift at red line or before so it shifts at red line? Over-revving it does help times.

Posted by: Fla02LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01

Here is my best timeslip.
R/T ... .347
60 ... 2.390
330 ... 6.640
1/8 ... 10.034
MPH ... 73.02
1000 ... 12.921
1/4 ... 15.349
MPH ... 92.85

That was WITH the XCal II running on Perf +4 (the max tune), custom cat-back exhaust and ram-air intake w/ cone filter no heat shield and minor weight reductions 99 octane gas with stock tires using the autosick shifting at the redline (ran it in third til I hit the traps) in about 75-80 degree weather.

My first run was a 15.5 or some BS.......Dissapointing...... IMO.

If you feel dissapointed it should be in your driving technique which is fine, i mean your not a pro right? Practice will get it down most likely. But the times you got are pretty much what that LS is gonna get. Maybe on your best day with all variable perfect it'll be a few tenths better, but you did about what the car is capable of. Its not a race car and they are not "fast". I am glad though that you got a chance to do some runs, lets the reality set in about the true gains with the mods. They are fun to drive and have some power but fast they are not. We have some tracks here in Orlando that i'd be interested in making some runs, more so to test my driving skills vs. the cars ability. Keep it up.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

It happens to everybody. I've been beaten by all kinds of stuff.

If the 60' can be improved to low 2.2s, that will get you close to 14.99.
Do you shift at red line or before so it shifts at red line? Over-revving it does help times.

I meant over-revving DOESN'T help times, just noticed i made that mistake.

Posted by: NYC LS8

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01

Track is in Rock Falls a few miles south of Eau Claire.

I was only able to do two runs in the LS before an antifreeze leak got me kicked off the track for the day. Here is my best timeslip.

R/T ... .347
60 ... 2.390
330 ... 6.640
1/8 ... 10.034
MPH ... 73.02
1000 ... 12.921
1/4 ... 15.349
MPH ... 92.85

The guy next to me ran a 11.295 at 84.87 MPH! (I can't explain the MPH difference). Do you have any idea how funny this looked when I came crossing the finish line 4 secs later?!

That was WITH the XCal II running on Perf +4 (the max tune), custom cat-back exhaust and ram-air intake w/ cone filter no heat shield and minor weight reductions 99 octane gas with stock tires using the autosick shifting at the redline (ran it in third til I hit the traps) in about 75-80 degree weather.

My first run was a 15.5 or some BS.......Dissapointing...... IMO.

I will have a video of the run plus a video of my exhaust. Personally I think its the loudest LS exhaust I have ever seen, even louder than the LS w/ no cats or whatever that video was....

With more runs, a tune-up and a cooler day I'm sure I coulda gotten a 14.9 out of her. Then again, the whole thing just felt dissapointing.

This was the day I decided for sure that LS was going for an M3!

Is your car tuned to run on 99 octane? If not, it'll do absolutely nothing for you except make the weight of the car with you in it lighter since you forked over more dough than you shoulda.

Cooler weather would defintiely help. So would a higher stall converter (do they make any for the LS?) and some sticky tires. If you were to get that short time down to a 2.0, you're looking at 8 tenths off your current time (rule of thumb is .1 off the 60' is worth .2 on the ET).

Good luck!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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Originally Posted by Fla02LS

If you feel dissapointed it should be in your driving technique which is fine, i mean your not a pro right? Practice will get it down most likely. But the times you got are pretty much what that LS is gonna get. Maybe on your best day with all variable perfect it'll be a few tenths better, but you did about what the car is capable of. Its not a race car and they are not "fast". I am glad thought that you got a chance to do some runs, lets the reality set in about the true gains with the mods. They are fun to drive and have some power but fast they are not. We have some tracks here in Orlando that i'd be interested in making some runs, more so to test my driving skills vs. the cars ability. Keep it up.

His 60' should be improved with a little practice, that'll improve the time overall.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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Originally Posted by NYC LSC

No TC available. 2.2s are common as the car sticks pretty decent. A Gen1 LS has not ran better than 14.7 to the best of my knowledge N/A.

Posted by: Mac98SHO

Hey... just take the time to learn the car... and how it peformes on the track. Before you junk it for another car.

I made a stock 99 GT run a 13.88 (once), my avg ET was anywhere from 14.0-14.5 on any given day. I was just got good with launching and knew how that car reacted.

Most people at the track with the same car and quite a few at the time where running 14.7 and could not do any better.

Evertime you change something you have sorta relearn how the reacts, to get the most out of it.

I would say run take it to the track few more time before you past judgement... and before you say I know it just a LINCOLN LS. But at 92MPH I am thinking you launch better you might get a better time.

My 2 cents

Posted by: Mac98SHO

My SHO ....

3490lb V8 w/140K mile on the clock at the time ran 15.4 at 89 MPH.

I had under quarter tank of fuel on too. It was dusk and in at KCIR in MO. Dew point was high also.

Stock numbers on the SHO are 235HP, I have a exhaust and home built cool air intake.... and I am front wheel drive.. I am sure my car only is only putting 185 to the ground.

StinkinLinkin01... I am sure that your car can run better... like I said it will take you time to get it there.

Posted by: chocolat1701

hey i can i find out about any tracks in my area i live in NYC me and my friends would like to go down and have some fun racing a little.

Posted by: NYC LS8

Quote:

Originally Posted by chocolat1701

hey i can i find out about any tracks in my area i live in NYC me and my friends would like to go down and have some fun racing a little.

www.racewaypark.com is where I go on either Friday nights or Saturday mornings.

There's also Atco Raceway, which is a little bit more of a hike, down in Southern NJ - www.atcorace.com

Posted by: StinkinLinkinLS01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac98SHO

Hey... just take the time to learn the car... and how it peformes on the track. Before you junk it for another car.

I would say run take it to the track few more time before you past judgement... and before you say I know it just a LINCOLN LS. But at 92MPH I am thinking you launch better you might get a better time.

My 2 cents

Thanks for kind words guys.

I've been street racing my car for almost 2 years. Of couse I'm no "pro"...but I'm pretty confident with the way I handle her. Sticky tires wouldn't do anything for me, spinning isn't an issue. the tune calls for 93 octane or higher...the actual octane level was probably around 94-95 with the octane booster...no big deal.

The only thing I could have done to improve my time would have been a better r/t = better 0-60, cooler day and remove the spare tire and 10 gallons of gas (I ran a 3/4 tank thinking I would've burned more gas on the way to the track that morning). At best I think I coulda gotten a 14.8 - 14.9

I know its just a LINCOLN LS. Which is why I bought an '89 Camaro to feed my need for speed. I just hate spending $1500 for performanc upgrades for basically nothing. I know adding things to your car is fun and all, but it really helps when it pays off, and sucks when it doesnt....

In all honesty. I still love this car. My transmission just went out. But I still love it. I've been stuck with my camaro as the daily driver and yeah its fun rumblin' around everywhere but man do I miss that "floating" ride of the LS and the plush leather seats and that cool wood grain wheel.

Posted by: Mac98SHO

Street racing and Drag strip... at two different areas... case and point Mustang can suck on the street but dominate at the track.

That much fuel on... my god.... try with 1/4 tank and no spare tire... I bet you will see improvement.

Good luck with your tranny.

Posted by: chocolat1701

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC LSC

www.racewaypark.com is where I go on either Friday nights or Saturday mornings.

There's also Atco Raceway, which is a little bit more of a hike, down in Southern NJ - www.atcorace.com

thanks and im off to the races...

Posted by: Fla02LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkinLinkinLS01

I know its just a LINCOLN LS. Which is why I bought an '89 Camaro to feed my need for speed. I just hate spending $1500 for performanc upgrades for basically nothing. I know adding things to your car is fun and all, but it really helps when it pays off, and sucks when it doesnt....

I have been trying to get people to not waste their money since i have been on here and have caught all kinds of hell for doing so. I thank you for taking your LS to the track and exposing these products for what they are....waste of money. What really irritates me is i am sure 99.9% of the people on here DONT have the money to spend on this stuff but certain people still post bogus claims to get $$$$. There was recently a story on the news where they took a bunch of "performance" upgrades, intakes....fuel magnets....tornado thing....gas additives. They ALL turned out to be junk and MOST actually decreased power and fuel economy. This was tested at a technical school with a dyno, so they tested hp claims, fuel economy, all of it. Lesson learned, dont believe what you hear, especially when someone has their own $$$ involved.

Posted by: Mac98SHO

Zip it "FLA02LS"

You have to realize one thing it's not waste a money to some people... that is what HOT RODDING is all about, modifing what you have to make it go faster or quicker. If we all chose to do nothing some aftemarket products would never have been born. I will admit some do nothing, but others do.

It is cool to STATE your opinion on forums, but IMPOSING it, on other is crossing the line.

Posted by: Fla02LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac98SHO

Zip it "FLA02LS"

I am not bashing HOT RODDING. Kids wanting to go fast to race an Acura isnt HOT RODDING. Now i am not sure but i'd be willing to bet 99.999999% of the LS owners dont go to a track and do any kind legit racing and arent involved in what you would consider HOT RODDING. I am bashing bogus claims on products, ie TORNADO. And going by your own definition of HOT RODDING then this guy wasnt HOT RODDING because he wasnt going faster due to his "products". I owned two f-body's and those where fun to work on and i would consider HOT RODDING. In fact, i still have tons of old Car Craft and Hot Rod magazines from way back when. I understand the concept and benefit of aftermarket products, but for the LS there isnt one for a reason. You just admitted that some products do nothing, and for a LS that stands the case. He just proved it with $1500 worth of "products".

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fla02LS

You have got to be kidding, no comments when a GenII LS runs 14.3 on only 2 mods. I ran 15.041 on 20s which are suppose to slow me down with only 2 mods in my 02. But Stinckin can't stick a 60' and lord knows how he was stifting it, and right away the mods don't work. Several bone stock 00-02s have ran 15.3s, he didn't have a good night and possibly other problems. Comparing crap like a tornado to a well made intake is ignorant. Cat-backs have been dynoed to work for years, not just by the manufacturers either. I think people who expect more than a mod is going to give are the unhappy ones. If .2 for $300 is in your opinion a waste of money, save your money, many feel its worth it. I think my LSK intake and cat-back was just what my 02 needed to run with a 03up, thats why I bought them. They work as good as I expected, they definately work.

I feel like a broken record.

To each his own.

And yes I like to waste money if that helps any.

Posted by: Mac98SHO

What he said..

Posted by: Mac98SHO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fla02LS

Umm never said you were bashing.... and Hot Rodding, can be with anby car. If a guy (or kid) wants to mod his Acura so be it. It is his choice, honestly whether I agree with it or not (trust me I will speak my mind).

I have seen few dozen modded Toyota Supra's (w/minor Mods).. stomp a few F-Bodys

I believe there is right way to mod a particular car and then there is buying every bolt on know to man to make it faster.. I choose to research and learning the car (not just reading) and then try to squeeze out every once of speed or HP I can from it.