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What's up with Dubz... Deep Thoughts

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Posted by: mholhut

Seems like every other day, someone is posting a thread about buying 20's for their LS... then a few months later, they're back posting a thread saying that they're selling them for whatever reasons.

My question... why bother in the first place if you're only going to sell them in a few months. I'm not knocking anyone's style choices here, but it seems that people here spend alot of time and money on their wheels only to try and sell them off a little while later and never recoup what they invested in the first place.

Yep, working late and I'm bored.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Had 20s on since May or so can't remember, not taking mine off, no reason too.

Alot of people on here buy LSes, complain they suck, drive them anyway, and waste our time complaining about them.

Haven't figured that one out.

Actually I have a pretty good idea.

Posted by: 2002_LS_V8

LS dont suck whats ur problem buddy? go sell urs to someone who appriciates them a lil more

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Did you read the post right or being sarcastic

Posted by: JES_LS

I think that the problem is they want the Bling, but don't realize the non-cash cost.

I mean I've put too big rims and too small sidewalls on a couple of cars (not dubs, but when the car was built for 14's and you mount up 18's its close).

20+ inch rims, ride hard and potholes will ruin them fast.
then there is the whole chrome thing, in some areas the chrome rims are just peeling plating waiting to happen.

So they get them for the flash and the look, then sell them a little while later because they cannot stand the limits that these rims have.

Posted by: mholhut

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Originally Posted by JES_LS

So they get them for the flash and the look, then sell them a little while later because they cannot stand the limits that these rims have.

Yeah, but more often than not, other LS members endorse fellow owners purchases of 20's. There's that one thread where someone wanted to put 22's on their car which generated negative interest, but most LS owners (except me) like them. Then the owners sell them in a few months and never say why.

I just point out this $hit... it's a hobby

Posted by: Mac98SHO

I got my 18's because the chrome 17's were toast due to the MN salt. I actually pleased with the look and ride I get with them. My opinion, I think 20's are to much.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

The 22s were a ridiculous idea, most people said it. 20s aren't that impratical, as long as you stay away from curbs during parking, I always do. I've hit some bumps that made me wonder the possibility of damage, none yet. (knock on wood).

I think people often buy to gawdy a rim (impulse buy) and then loose interest or realize later its just frickin ugly. Or buy a bad fitment (probably most of the time) and then get sick of, or scared of the rubbing. Or buy bad quality and they ride worse than they need too. Or just can't stop tagging the damn curb and realize they just aren't a good enough driver to keep them from getting trashed. Also alot of people have money issues and unfortunately there rims are a valuable asist to sell for them to try to fix the problem. Thats why it always says need to sell FAST.

Posted by: mespock

Wagon Wheels my opinion... Wagon Wheels...

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Said it once, will say it again...Wild Wild West.

Posted by: mholhut

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Originally Posted by mespock

Wagon Wheels my opinion... Wagon Wheels...

Steam roller

Posted by: jumpman6235

20's just dont look right on the LS.. you need a big body car, or truck for 20's... i say 18's are perfect for the LS

Posted by: HyeLifeLS

I have had 20s on my LS almost 2 years. I am not planning on changing them, unless they going to be some other styled 20s that I really like. Other than that, maybe some real nice 21s. 22s are rediculus, I mean 21s are real big too, but once in a while I think 20s look a little small on my LS.

I am thinking of selling my LS and maybe buying an 06 LS, and maybe I'll put 21s on it, if not then 20s for sure.

Posted by: jolinc01

I like 18's or 19's. You can still lower the car if you want to, and it doesn't effect it like the 20+ sizes. It's all about personal opinion, but i plan on getting some 19's and possibly dropping it. I do agree I don't understand dishing out $2000 to turn around in 3 months and sell 'em for $1200.

Posted by: decibels5

i like my twenties and so do the judges of all the car shows ive been to and won. people have different opinions on what there ls is supposed to be able to do. like racing an ls, ive had many fast cars, just dont see putting so much money into an ls for racing when a stock lexus will eat me up, but there are some that love to race their ls and i respect that. some people like to keep it stock because they know they are just going to trade it in. if i thought i was going to sell my car or rims i would not put alot of money into it. the only reason i have thought about selling my car is for a down payment on a house. i believe the ls is just that luxury sport, you can go either way but it is going to cost money. hey if anybody wants to buy rims, let me know, i get a hell of a discount with the thewheelgroup.com Attachment 20572

Posted by: 01LSv6

I've had 20" wheels (20x8.5" Enkei Kapones) on for about a week now and love them. I have no rubbing, turning, or ride quality issues so far. Half the roads around where I live are kinda rough at times and I feel only a slight difference in ride quality vs. stock 16" wheels. I can turn the wheels fully left and right with no rubbing, can go over big bumps, speed bumps, and large inclines with no problems. They look and fit perfect. TOTALLY makes the car complete. Turns heads like crazy. Love them.

Posted by: Patrick00LS

I've had 20's on my LS for about a month now. Ride quality is great. No rubbing issues. I bought them from a local professional boxer and they are 1 of 3 sets in the country. So, I know I won't be riding around one day and see someone with them. That part alone makes me love the wheels. Not to mention, they are Lowenharts. For the price I got them compared to what most people pay, I can't complain one bit. But, to each their own.

Posted by: JPsBored

Funny part is most people here buy 20"s for the fact there 20's. and thats whats cool.

Yet 9 out of 10 of them couldnt tell the differecne between an LS with 19's or 20's,,lol

20's are like buying Nike sneakers when a pair of New Balance our just as good but half the price.

I agree 20's need a big body to match,,or they look silly,, seen some nice wheels on here that were 18's and 19's,, look damn good and fit the ride.

Shoot I am gettin the spinner hub caps they sell here at KMART.. lol most of u would look at my pics posted and tell me how nice they r,,lol

Guess a 20's emblem on the car is cooler than a 19'' one

Posted by: lseguy

One of three sets in the country? dude...look at the post just above yours. I think you will find one of the other sets..lol

Posted by: Patrick00LS

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Originally Posted by lseguy

One of three sets in the country? dude...look at the post just above yours. I think you will find one of the other sets..lol

umm, look again

Posted by: SoonerLS

Quote:

Originally Posted by mholhut

Seems like every other day, someone is posting a thread about buying 20's for their LS... then a few months later, they're back posting a thread saying that they're selling them for whatever reasons.

It seems like most of the guys I've seen doing this fall into one of these categories:

realized that "bling" wasn't what they wanted
disliked the resulting ride
ran into technical problems (clearance/suspension/braking/etc)
ran into cashflow problems and needed money (this seems, by far, to be the largest group)

Personally, I don't care for most wheels larger than 19" on the LS. That's partly because they're harder on the suspension and brakes (due to the necessarily greater unsprung mass), but mostly because most of them are just flat-out fugly. It seems like the best-looking wheels (IMHO) are all in the 19" or smaller sizes.

And shouldn't you be out there hassling young punks on the street instead of online?

Posted by: JPsBored

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Originally Posted by Patrick00LS

I've had 20's on my LS for about a month now. Ride quality is great. No rubbing issues. I bought them from a local professional boxer and they are 1 of 3 sets in the country. So, I know I won't be riding around one day and see someone with them. That part alone makes me love the wheels. Not to mention, they are Lowenharts. For the price I got them compared to what most people pay, I can't complain one bit. But, to each their own.

ummm u can find like 4 guys on this forum that have ur wheels,,lol

u might want to get ur money back if u bought those wheels for the EXCLUSIVITY of them,,lolbut hey,, i got a bridge in Ney York for sale,,lmaoooo

Posted by: Patrick00LS

I'll put any amount of money you want to bet there is not 4 guys on this forum with these wheels...please, I challenge you. name your price!!!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

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Originally Posted by Patrick00LS

I'll put any amount of money you want to bet there is not 4 guys on this forum with these wheels...please, I challenge you. name your price!!!

I don't doubt the wheels are 1 of 3 or whatever, they do look like alot of the other ones even if they aren't exactly the same.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerLS

It seems like most of the guys I've seen doing this fall into one of these categories:

realized that "bling" wasn't what they wanted
disliked the resulting ride
ran into technical problems (clearance/suspension/braking/etc)
ran into cashflow problems and needed money (this seems, by far, to be the largest group)

Agree with you on #4. As you can see the only 20" responders don't fit that catagory, we still have them.

Posted by: Patrick00LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I don't doubt the wheels are 1 of 3 or whatever, they do look like alot of the other ones even if they aren't exactly the same.

Ya, I hear ya. Someone is just trying to be funny, so, making a point.

Posted by: JPsBored

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I don't doubt the wheels are 1 of 3 or whatever, they do look like alot of the other ones even if they aren't exactly the same.

lol,,yea they look like the Kapones,, another over used wheel on the LS.

but please,, the Lowenharts are also over used,,more money than the Kapones,, but still overused.

but hey the boxer told u they were 1 of 3 in the country,,so i would believe him,. and enjoy ur wheels.

remember tho,, once u have somethin in ur head,,its amazing how many u see around u,, like, yellow bike,m, see how many yeloow bike su see in a week now that ur thinkin bout a yellow bike,,lol

Posted by: Patrick00LS

I'm just saying that the BR5's were not made to fit the LS. These were custom made by Lowenhart to fit them. Anyone can slap on a set of adapters to have them fit, but they'll run into problems with them. A good friend of mine grew up with the owner of Blvd Customs ( www.blvdcustoms.com ) and he told me they were custom made and 1 of 3 sets for the LS. Therefore, I'll take his word for it.

but anyways, back on topic.

and I love my 20's!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Its cool, I see what your saying.

I don't imagine mine being 1 of a kind but I haven't seen another with them.

Posted by: JPsBored

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Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Its cool, I see what your saying.

I don't imagine mine being 1 of a kind but I haven't seen another with them.

who really cares if they r one of a kind,,, as long as u dont see them where u live all day everyday ur good.

like he said,, just cause u have seen them,, doesnt mean u have seen them on his color LS.

same wheels look pretty different on different color LS's

Posted by: joshluvsla

well i have some 18" and i am happy no rubbing no harshness to my ride and they look cool....

Posted by: mholhut

I don't think anyone would consider 18's as dubz

If I had my druthers, I'd go up to 18's on my car for performance reasons, but I'm otherwise satisfied with my stock gunmetal 17's.

Anyone know how much a 20" wheel and tire weigh? I'd like to compare that to a stock wheel/tire.

Posted by: decibels5

I Need To Sell My Rims, My Brakes Are Wore Out, My Shocks Are Gone And I Saw Another Guy With Them Today. J/k I Love My Twinkies. I Can See The Point Of Everyone Here, But Remember Everyone Has A Slightly Different Opinion On What Looks And Performs Good. 19s Are Probably The Best Choice For A Ls, But If You Want To Pay An Extra Grand For 1 More Or 1 Less Inch Than Go Ahead. I Sell Wheels And I Still Didnt Buy Myself 19s. 18s For Racing, 19s For Show And Performance, 20s For Bling. Attachment 20687 OH YEAH 22S FOR "WHIPS" YES THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN A CAR SHOW CATEGORY

Posted by: siddymae

when i go to the club on the weekends people flock to my car. but then most of them run their mouths about me needing bigger wheels. i think i'll stick to the 20's they ride rough enough but it does get alot of attention.

Posted by: ATLS

I agree siddymae, I think 20's look small. 21's would be a perfect fit, but that rare size cost too much.

Posted by: Fla02LS

One thing i have noticed is most of the people with the Dubz or 20's or whatever are all 00-02 LS's. Every picture in this thread so far has been of the older LS. And from what i have been reading recently most people are also upside down with negative equity in their car. So its my thought that alot of people are buying a 00-02 LS even though they probably cant afford it and then customizing which will also kill its resale. I have used the forbidden word "kids" before but i dont think most people are making sound financial decisions regarding their LS. I see alot of people that buy old BMW's or Benz and think that their all that because of the brand of the car.

Posted by: decibels5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fla02LS

One thing i have noticed is most of the people with the Dubz or 20's or whatever are all 00-02 LS's. Every picture in this thread so far has been of the older LS. And from what i have been reading recently most people are also upside down with negative equity in their car. So its my thought that alot of people are buying a 00-02 LS even though they probably cant afford it and then customizing which will also kill its resale. I have used the forbidden word "kids" before but i dont think most people are making sound financial decisions regarding their LS. I see alot of people that buy old BMW's or Benz and think that their all that because of the brand of the car.

paid for mine with cash, no financing needed

Posted by: HyeLifeLS

ATLS's car looks like an 04 to me...

I own an 01, but it doesn't mean that I can't afford an 06, matter of fact I might change mine to one. But, the only reason I am not changing it because the differences in 01 and 06 are not so dramatic.

About the 20" wheels, if I would get an 06, I would still put them on.

Posted by: BanginLS

i have an 02 and dropped more money into the car than originally paid for it.. (cash).. finance is not a problem..

i got the 20's.. no problem with suspension or breaks..

i got the right rims.. upgraded everything needed.. and upgraded the breaks as well.. no problems with 20's..

now back to the author's question.. rims are like a car.. u change ur car every few years right? u lose money right? rims are like a package for the car in my eyes.. and when i change my rims.. i change the look of my car.. so why not change the rims? if i had the money and time i'd have rims for every month.. that would be crazy.. jk..

anyways.. rims are mods that are the first to be replaced.. cause u use it all the time.. and there is no way that u can stop them from wearing out.. atleast with a system u can keep it low.. paint u can clean and keep up.. but the rims? always a ditch.. always wear out tires.. etc.. etc..

Posted by: siddymae

i paid cash for mine too

Posted by: Fla02LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyeLifeLS

I own an 01, but it doesn't mean that I can't afford an 06, matter of fact I might change mine to one. But, the only reason I am not changing it because the differences in 01 and 06 are not so dramatic.

When i had my '02 i thought the same thing but now with an '05 i cant tell you how different it is. Not even close to being the same car.

Posted by: jumpman6235

if im going to drop 25-30k on a car, it sure as hell wouldnt be an LS..
would be more like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...QQcmdZViewItem

Posted by: ATLS

You're right, mine is an '04. As far as difference between the old a new models, I had an '02, when it was totaled (3 weeks later) I bought an '04. It has more horse power, and doesn't feel as heavy os the '02. I'm kinda glad I had the accident to be honest with you. I got a better car at about the same price I paid for the '02. In Summary, I liked the '02, but I love my '04.

Posted by: Fla02LS

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpman6235

if im going to drop 25-30k on a car, it sure as hell wouldnt be an LS..
would be more like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...QQcmdZViewItem

Your crazy. Yes its nice, but also about to be 5 yrs old and alot of miles for a BMW and alot of money at $33k. BMW's come with a factory 4 yr/50k warranty the same as Lincoln. That says 100,000 mi. warranty, has to be aftermarket, wouldnt trust it. Even the factory extended warranty doesnt cover near as much as the original warranty. That car would cost you a mortgage to fix if it breaks down. Once again, you cant just look at a selling price with a car like that.

Posted by: decibels5

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpman6235

if im going to drop 25-30k on a car, it sure as hell wouldnt be an LS..
would be more like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...QQcmdZViewItem

thats a 1000 away from being twice as much as my ls was, with a few more miles. if it was 25 i would buy it. i love the 745s .

Posted by: BanginLS

its all a matter of preference for me.. i personally liked the 02.. it was the newest one with the widest look.. for some reason the newer cars have the smaller lamps on the back and it gives the car more of a narrow look.. that and the two tone lights kinda looked like the 95 accord tail lights.. i jus personally liked this model...

Posted by: J3FF

Enkei Kapones are the best looking on the LS, I think. If I'm going 20s I gotta have 5 spokes, the rest just look a little...odd to me.

Posted by: mholhut

Quote:

Originally Posted by BanginLS

now back to the author's question.. rims are like a car.. u change ur car every few years right? u lose money right? rims are like a package for the car in my eyes.. and when i change my rims.. i change the look of my car.. so why not change the rims? if i had the money and time i'd have rims for every month.. that would be crazy.. jk..

anyways.. rims are mods that are the first to be replaced.. cause u use it all the time.. and there is no way that u can stop them from wearing out.. atleast with a system u can keep it low.. paint u can clean and keep up.. but the rims? always a ditch.. always wear out tires.. etc.. etc..

I've always felt that when it comes to modifications to a car, you follow two basic rules: Form and Function. If it doesn't fit into that category, it's a waste IMHO. Then again, if you have the money to waste, knowck yourself out

Form: Do 20's follow the overall form of the car, in this case the LS. IMHO, no. Why? Because wheels should compliment the car and not be the focus of it. A majority of the time I'd be willing to bet that the first thing people say about a car with 20's is "nice wheels". They forget about the car and look at the wheels... it's the first thing that gets their attention and that's why people do it... for the attention.

Function: Do 20's offer any significant performance enhancement? No. They'd make the car slower and handle worse. With the weight of the wheels, the low sidewall tires, and the inherently horrid ride, there'd be no reason for me get 20's.

If I had the kind of money to waste on a new set of wheels/tires and all the other bling all the time, I'd look for a better car than the LS, that's for damn sure.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Opps

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by mholhut

I get compliments on my car more than my wheels. Sure the younger crowd like the wheels but most of the time its the entire car they compliment. Alot of more mature people don't even realize the car didn't come that way.

Not all 20s are boat anchors. I ran the 1/4 on my 20s and had it ran faster than stock anyways and while I haven't ran without yet I bet its no more than .15 of a sec. I noticed little difference in handling either, actually the Nitto555 stick alot better than the stock sport Michelins. Its a little less agile but nothing bad at all. But mine aren't that much heavier than stock. Ride isn't that bad either, I think the quality of the wheel has alot to do with it.

As far as getting a better car with the money I throw at it. I actually spend alot of money on several cars a year, if I drove just one, that would be boring.

Posted by: Mr.USA2005

I just put my Dvinci Ragno's on a couple of days ago and I'm already taking it back to the rim/tire shop because of the 22s rubbing too much. I'm getting the car lifted 1" front and 1.25-1.5 in the rear so that they don't rub when I hit a bump/hump in the road. Outside of that, they look and ride great, its just when I hit something [bump] I get pissed. Going with 20s is probably a better, safer and more cost effective idea.