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Lucas oil treatment.

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Posted by: my95mark8

Anyone here use Lucas oil treatment? I was going to put some in my car but I did some searching around, and some people say it gets too thick.
Is there anyting better? I am starting to get that stupid timing chain noise once in a while when the car sits overnight. It doesn't last long at all...maybe a half a second, but I'd like to quiet it down.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Lucas is da shizzzzzzznit period. Been using it since it's inception.

Please also review this thread for some more great info on this amazing product.

Posted by: 98LSC32V

What oil filter are you using? I have used Marvel Mystery Oil in the past and it has worked well for cleaning sludge out of the engine. Not sure if it will help with the chain tensioner issue. Running synthetic 0w-30 Mobil 1 would be the best for it, 5w-30 isnt bad either.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

AMsoil all the way. It crushes mobil 1.

As for filters I use Purolator Pure 1 exclusively. It has unreal filtration capabilities and also has an anti drainback valve that keeps the pressure at the tensioners.

Posted by: vr4

got sludge? use ATF.

wanna avoid sludge? dont use penzoil or quaker state.

i used to push lucas till i seen some testing done with it. it aireates pretty easily.

Posted by: Dominus

Lucas? Thick oil with none of the guilt.

Waste of time, and unnecessary. There is no way in hell you are going to improve a good synthetic oil by adding that stuff to it. A good synthetic oil will already protect your engine to well beyond 200k miles, so who really cares anyway?

Posted by: my95mark8

I have been using a Motorcraft FL-820s, and Castrol "startup" oil.
What would adding atf do? I have this gunk motor flush stuff at work...I don't know if I want to try that.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

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Originally Posted by vr4

i used to push lucas till i seen some testing done with it. it aireates pretty easily.

Thats a complete BS test, again lease refer to this thread for info. Click the "Oil Test" link in there too.

Posted by: JC1994

I use lucas synthetic oil treatment, good sh!t!!!

Posted by: turborich

You guys are not affraid that the lucas oil stabilizer is too thick for the modular engines? It is going to increase the viscosity quite a bit and these engines use 5w30 or 5w20 oil. I wouldn't use it unless my car had a lot of miles and I was trying to stop an oil leak or an enternal noise by thickening it up a bit. If you have ever poured the lusas out of the bottle it looks just like no smoke or motor honey. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: vr4

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Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

Thats a complete BS test, again lease refer to this thread for info. Click the "Oil Test" link in there too.

1 of the first threads i read on here.

i also come from the TT world. running motorcraft 15w40 and i still got some bubbles on my dipstick.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

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Originally Posted by turborich

You guys are not affraid that the lucas oil stabilizer is too thick for the modular engines? It is going to increase the viscosity quite a bit and these engines use 5w30 or 5w20 oil. I wouldn't use it unless my car had a lot of miles and I was trying to stop an oil leak or an enternal noise by thickening it up a bit. If you have ever poured the lusas out of the bottle it looks just like no smoke or motor honey. Just my 2 cents.

I have been using it in EVERY car, EVERY Mark VIII and anything that uses oil. For a decade, zero issues or problems of any type.

Posted by: turborich

It might not hurt it, But I'll stick with Ford's recomendation of not using any oil additives. Mobile1, motorcraft filter and regular oil changes is what I use. Lusas just appears to be way too thick. Now if I had an engine that used oil or made an internal noise then I would try it, but I don't so I wont. Ford also says it's OK to use a synthectic oil in the 4.6, That's why I use Mobile1.

Posted by: JC1994

the lucas synthetic oil treatment is designed for new cars and is 100% synthetic.and is not too thick. on a day like today when it's 108 degrees, I'm glad it's in there. 141000 miles and absolutly no problems at all.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

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Originally Posted by turborich

It might not hurt it, But I'll stick with Ford's recomendation of not using any oil additives. Mobile1, motorcraft filter and regular oil changes is what I use. Lusas just appears to be way too thick. Now if I had an engine that used oil or made an internal noise then I would try it, but I don't so I wont. Ford also says it's OK to use a synthectic oil in the 4.6, That's why I use Mobile1.

You dont get it because you never used this product before obviously. The Lucas SYNTHETIC treatment is thin as 20w? The non sys Lucas is Thick.

Posted by: turborich

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Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

You dont get it because you never used this product before obviously. The Lucas SYNTHETIC treatment is thin as 20w? The non sys Lucas is Thick.

That's what I was talikng about, the regular lucas oil stabilizer. I have never used or seen how thick the lucas synthetic stabilizer is. I still don't see why you would need it if you use good oil and do regular oil changes. All I can say is that we all have our own oppinions and preferences.

Posted by: Dominus

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Originally Posted by turborich

Amen. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I said it before, and I will say it again. I have torn apart tons of engines of all power levels, and I have NEVER seen an engine that failed simply due to inadequate oil capability while running ANY decent oil.

I've seen engines get gunked up by cheap oil, I've seen engines get screwed by low oil pressure, I've seen engine dump because of flawed physical design of an oil system, but I have never seen an engine that simply failed because the oil itself was not capable of lubricating the engine, unless the wrong weight was used, or the oil quality itself was poor.

Cliff's Notes: Good Oil = No problem

There are cars in my family that have over 300k on the clock, and no Lucas ever touched them. Wow! Genie magic, right? Nope.

Posted by: MediumD

I personally don't try any of the "miracle-in-a-can" stuff unless I have a problem, even then I would only try it as a crutch until I could fix the root cause of the problem. Most of these types of additives are snake oil anyway. The timing chain noise isn't a even an actual problem in the first place.

Posted by: my95mark8

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Originally Posted by ONEBADMK8

AMsoil all the way. It crushes mobil 1.

As for filters I use Purolator Pure 1 exclusively. It has unreal filtration capabilities and also has an anti drainback valve that keeps the pressure at the tensioners.

How much does Amsoil cost? Did I read once that you sell it?
Doesn't the FL820s have an anti-drainback valve?
Is an oil accumulator worth looking into?

Posted by: vr4

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Originally Posted by my95mark8

How much does Amsoil cost? Did I read once that you sell it?
Doesn't the FL820s have an anti-drainback valve?
Is an oil accumulator worth looking into?

fl820 is a pure 1.

accumulator wont be worth it unless you encounter enough of a G to cause starvation at the pickup.

Posted by: Dominus

Is there even any room for an accumulator under the hood?

Posted by: my95mark8

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Originally Posted by vr4

fl820 is a pure 1.

accumulator wont be worth it unless you encounter enough of a G to cause starvation at the pickup.

What's that mean?

Posted by: Dominus

It measn that unless you have oil starvation issues, it isn't necessary. You can use it for pre-oiling though, if it makes a difference to you.

Posted by: JC1994

I'll bet money that you can get 500,000 miles running lucas with good oil as opposed to 300,000 on good oil alone. also you need to remember if your motor is stock with no power adders all you need is good plain oil. my car is putting out over 400hp with the NoS, so I feel the need for extra protection.

Posted by: vr4

has anyone here with 120+k and good oil changes ever pull some rod caps and see what the bearings look like?

Posted by: Dominus

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Originally Posted by JC1994

I'll bet money that you can get 500,000 miles running lucas with good oil as opposed to 300,000 on good oil alone. also you need to remember if your motor is stock with no power adders all you need is good plain oil. my car is putting out over 400hp with the NoS, so I feel the need for extra protection.

My Charger has over 800 rwhp, and doesn't need this "extra protection". A friend of mine has been running an Incon Turbo kit on his car since the late 90s, and has laid down over 700 to the wheels, and driven over 89,000 miles since the install with no need for any extra protection.

And when I said we have cars going on well over 300k miles, I meant they are running well. They all have perfect compression. They probably will go for 500k miles.

I don't think this extra protection does not even exist. I have yet to see anything that shows that Lucas does anything for an engine at all.

The funny thing is, there are cars being built today, and cars that have been built in the past with mega horsepower levels, that never suffered any ill effects by running regular oil without any additives.

The most suspicious thing about Lucas oil to me is how supposedly this company Lucas has discovered secrets to lubrication that have somehow escaped all of the major oil companies that are about 300 times larger and do about a thousand times more chemical research and development.

Like I said before, I have NEVER EVER heard of an engine failing for any oil related reason other than BAD oil, or inadequate physical design. An engine running good oil will NOT fail due to the oil makeup. I know road racers, drag racers, powerboat racers, off roaders, and nobody I can even contact at all can tell me that they have ever heard of an engine failing because its oil just "gave up" or whatever supposedly happens when you don't run Lucas.

Posted by: Dominus

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Originally Posted by vr4

has anyone here with 120+k and good oil changes ever pull some rod caps and see what the bearings look like?

Actually yes. I saw the Charger's engine when we pulled it. It had received regular oil changed since it was purchased new, and after over 200k ont he road, the bearings looked good enough to keep running. Obviously it didn't look like new, but there was no obvious issue with them. ENgine was removed to be built up for power. No other reason.

We also had the opportunity to see the 262k engine in my old BMW. Bearings were fine. No excess material, wiping, signs of abuse, or anything. Considering the way I drove that car, and the fact that it was turbocharged for its last 30k miles, this was awesome.

Posted by: evillally

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I still don't see why you would need it if you use good oil and do regular oil changes.

DING-DING-DING!! We have a winner! Tell em' what he's won!

Posted by: vr4

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Originally Posted by Dominus

sounds about right.

ill stick with my NO lucas and 3k mile oil changes.

Posted by: JC1994

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Originally Posted by Dominus

never said I had heard of any failures due to the oil just giving up, and if lucas products don't work how would you explain the tranny additive stopping converter shudder? I am glad you have used plain oil with no problems and more power to you in that regard, but no matter what anyone says, I will continue to use their products with the utmost confidence.

Posted by: Marked4Life

My 2 cents.
I have used Amsoil for over 100,000 miles now. I changed to their 2000 0w-30w when it came out. The 4 bearing scratch test is what convinced me. I used K&N filters for years. K&N stated that they filtered down to 10 microns, but they do not state what the max partical size is! I have changed to Amsoil filters also. Their new filter is a machine woven micro fiber filtering media and it has a great flow rate. Max partical size is 14 microns. I e-mailed them an asked what the smallest size partical filtered is. They told me much much smaller than 15 microns. (this is a brand new type of filter) I had also asked them the same question about their original filter and was told it filtered down to 7 or 8 microns.
The reason I am giving my 2 cents is that many threads talk about engine oil but little is said about filters. You can have the best oil in the world but if the filter is junk then it is worthless.
I also use Amsoil trans fluid and gear lube.
Geno, do you use and recommend Amsoil trans fluid in your transmissons also?
Yes I don't have a life and I spend way to much time reseaching this kinda stuff.
Just some food for thought.
Raoul

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

I use Amsoil across the board. I am going to switch to Amsoil's filter on my next oil change and compare theirs to the Pure One at that time. Their trans fluid is amazing.

Posted by: vr4

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Originally Posted by JC1994

good that the trans additive does this.

we at the dealer have been using mercV to do the same for years.

Posted by: JC1994

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Originally Posted by vr4

good that the trans additive does this.

we at the dealer have been using mercV to do the same for years.

mine still shuddered with merconV so I switched to Mobil one synthetic ATF which helped eliminate most but not all of the shudder, then I added the lucas and end of shudder. you know, I'm not trying to convince anyone to use lucas, so don't try to imply that I don't know what I'm talking about with smart ass remarks. Thank you, and end of discussion.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

Merc V is a blend Amsoil is FULL syn.

Posted by: Dominus

Full syn is definitely a great advantage. The abilities of it to hold together under high temps is undeniable. Amsoil is one of the best companies out there as well.

Posted by: JC1994

Is mobil 1 synthetic ATF full synthetic? how much is the Amsoil ATF?

Posted by: Dominus

Mobil 1 is full syn.

Posted by: JC1994

that must be why I got less shudder with it than Mercon V.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

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Originally Posted by JC1994

Is mobil 1 synthetic ATF full synthetic? how much is the Amsoil ATF?

We have the Synthetic Universal Transmission fluid for $8.25 per qt. or the better deal of buying a 2.5 Gallon jug for $80.00.

We also have the Synthetic Supershift Racing Synthetic Transmission fluid for EXTREME use at $9.00 per qt.

Posted by: ONEBADMK8

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Originally Posted by JC1994

that must be why I got less shudder with it than Mercon V.

That's why for sure.

Posted by: JC1994

Thanks Geno, I appreciate it.