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Detailing under the hood. PICS

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Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I've decided to clean up under the hood of the MarkVIII while its kinda apart doing some stuff. I pulled the cam covers to gasket them and also am thread-serting all 8 spark plug holes, 1 popped out, other 7 are the preventative maintenance. Doing some misc. other things too. It just seemed like a good time to unbolt things, get the leaves out, wipe down and clean up everything. Haven't really gotten to the cleaning part yet, just unbolted a good part of it. Also painting up some things to liven it up. Thought I'd share some pics of the work in progress and start a thread to post pics as it goes.

Posted by: torquemonkey

The paint job looks flawless! Good job!

Posted by: Sergmark

Looks Good

But why baby blue....

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergmark

Looks Good

But why baby blue....

Nooo

, thats Ford Blue. Or at least one of them, my favorite one. Paint all my motors that color.

Posted by: Dr. Paul

Shoulda got some chrome baby.

Posted by: Sergmark

Sorry But the ford blue I remember was pretty dark... Still looks good

Posted by: Frat-man-du

Big blocks -1966 - late 60's were the lighter blue -70s were the darker blue. 64-65 were black block with gold valve covers & air cleaners...if I remember correctly.

Posted by: mespock

Looks great!!!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

The windsor blocks/small blocks in the late 60s-70s were mostly this color although some of them did seem a slight shade darker. Some were the real dark blue/purple color, but I think that was mostly in the late 70s shortly after the Modified engine came out, Windsors started getting the dark paint like the Modifieds. The 351W from my brothers 77 Club Wagon Van was positively this color, he had it from just a few years old, I painted it when it went into my 76 StangII 10 years later. You can see in the second pic the valve covers weren't painted yet, and the paint color matched. Liked it ever since.

Posted by: phreakness

how hard was it to take off the valve coers with the engine in the car?

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by phreakness

how hard was it to take off the valve coers with the engine in the car?

The MarkVIII? It was kinda a pain, lots of harnesses and vacuum lines. If you take the time to get enough of the crap out of the way before hand it helps but even then its a little of a fanagal thing. I've taken the entire vacuum harness off now and am disconnecting more wiring to make getting them back in place with scratching the crap out of them easier. It'll make cleaning the harnesses and firewalls etc easier too. One of those not hard but a PITA things.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Between the Iola car show and a small family vacation I haven't had much time to work on the MarkVIII. All the thread-serts are done, most painting is done, just got to do alot of cleaning and stuff, and of coarse put back together. Did a little today, heres a few pics. I'm digging it.

Posted by: Sergmark

Looks great

I remeber I had a 289 that was dark blue and some freinds had the hipo 289 that had the gold valve covers

Posted by: JC1994

should look great when done.

Posted by: ponytail john

Nice job, looks great

Posted by: mespock

Damn I'd really like to do that to my 94... Maybe over the winter when I put her to sleep...and bring the T-Bird back out.

Posted by: 04SSHD

nice work, but not really my taste.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Cleaned up the drivers side firewall, at least to the back of the strut tower. Unbolt, clean, bolt back on, nothing to exciting. Its nice to see it all dirt free and all.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Thanks, and thanks everyone for the good comments. The Ford blue doesn't look so loud as it is coming together.

Posted by: 04SSHD

much better!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

How'd my reply to your comment get ahead of yours? Weird.

Posted by: 04SSHD

haha, odd

Posted by: 94m5

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/att...d=112130339 6

Posted by: JoeyGood

Excellent work, looks good

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94m5

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7258&stc=1&d=112130339 6

Show off!

Posted by: 1993_M75

Hmmm........ I think my black LSC could use a touch of red......

Posted by: paulownian

I try to keep my '03 LS underhood area in perfect shape all of the time. It is difficult, especially if I do long drives, or have little, or no time to spend on cleaning for a week, or two. Once you get it cleaned, though, stay at it weekly and it will always look good. There's something about a super clean engine that just make the driver feel better about his, or her ride. Give us some before and after photos when you are completed.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I thought i was the first. Darn it.

Posted by: Dominus

You can buy GT cam covers already in that color off of ebay.

Toss on some GT or GT500 COP covers to complete the look.

Posted by: 98LSC32V

The Ford GT or GT500 covers only fit COP 4.6 DOHC's... his is a 96 won't work. You can get some nice Ford Racing covers though...

Posted by: Dominus

Ah yes, I knew I was missing something.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98LSC32V

The Ford GT or GT500 covers only fit COP 4.6 DOHC's... his is a 96 won't work. You can get some nice Ford Racing covers though...

Ahh, good idea. I knew the COP covers had those available, but didn't know they had those for non-COP. I may have to get a set, kinda pricey. Shame the intake tube nearly completely covers the pass side. The drivers side stock plastic pc busted into two pcs when it threw the #6 plug so I was without one.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Ordered some goodies today. Sadly the spark plug covers will be a 4 week wait, or even more. At least they aren't needed to run it.

Edit: Posted the headers on accident, holding off on those for now.

Posted by: midwestbird

Any more cleaning, painting, installing pictures???

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Removed most of the front of the motors pulleys, brackets, and water pump. Cleaned the front of the engine as well as the fan and most everything in that area. Had to repaint some parts as I made the mistake of using some old paint from who knows when and come to find out some parts turned out a slightly different color. Have to clean most of the passenger side firewall area and along the back, but should go faster than it has. I have another busy work week and I have alot of other stuff going on, thats why its taking so long. Slow but sure. Heres a few pics.

Posted by: buddylee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frat-man-du

Big blocks -1966 - late 60's were the lighter blue -70s were the darker blue. 64-65 were black block with gold valve covers & air cleaners...if I remember correctly.

yes that is true...... looks nice
the darker blue is what in the Fod oval .... and most of the others have been forgten.

Posted by: Nitrobasher

looks great but i have one question, arent you scared???

im only 17 and as much as i would love to be able to take apart my engine and put it back togethor someday im so scared that i will loose a part, forget where somethign goes. or something along those lines.

how do you go a tthis problem? thanks

Posted by: 94m5

Take pictures, and label everything. For me, sheer repetition helps.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitrobasher

looks great but i have one question, arent you scared???

im only 17 and as much as i would love to be able to take apart my engine and put it back togethor someday im so scared that i will loose a part, forget where somethign goes. or something along those lines.

how do you go a tthis problem? thanks

LOL. I've been at this for a while...not this project...cars.

I've done most everything but am not superman. After doing pretty in depth projects you begin to learn what your ability to remember how to put back together what you've taken apart. I happen to be good at it. If when taking something apart you see the need to document how it is, you do it. I did a near frame up resto on my TC and seldom had to look back for notes. Didn't loose anything that I didn't know exactly what was missing. Hood hinges were MIA for instance, no big deal. I accidently shot the old calipers away as I new I was getting new ones, didn't think of cores etc. Never stumped yet.

If you doubt your ability, take alot of notes and label every bolt. Or let the pros do it.

Also my brother has the identical car if I get confused on putting the vacuum harness back on or something. Not to mention this place can help too.

Posted by: midwestbird

Looks nice, I like the covers! Looks like the water pump is next? When Chicken and I start putting my engine back in I may need to hit you up on some of those pictures...you too Mike!!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Its cool, anything to help...without getting dirty. LOL

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Got a little more done. Still have do the passenger side clean up and around back. Have to clean up the vacuum harness before reinstalling it. I have to wire the Mezeire water pump yet too. Not much left actually. Heres the lastest pics.

Posted by: JC1994

WoW! lookin' sharp man!

Posted by: mespock

Very nice... want to do mine too...

Color looks good....

What are you doinging with the air intake tube are you going to paint that also?

Posted by: Dominus

Do the intake manifold up nice and pretty there too.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by mespock

Very nice... want to do mine too...

Thanks. Do yours? It took me 3months to do mine. LOL. Still not done.

I'm going to shave the intake tube nice and neat and paint it Blue also. The CAB will be satin black to blend with the firewall.

Seriously Rich you could handle this, nothing to complex at all. Getting the covers off is abit tight, but not that bad.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominus

Do the intake manifold up nice and pretty there too.

Yeah, thought of that. Before I started putting it back together it would have been easy to pull, but I decided to leave it natural. It needs to be cleaned up a little and for what ever reason in that one pic it looks yellowish, its not. Overall I think painting that a bright silver color wound have led me to painting alot of the dull aluminum pieces to...it would have never ended. I choose to just clean and brush all the aluminum to get just as clean as could.

Posted by: Roadboss

If you want to go one more step with the oil fill you will need to grind a little off the spark plug cover as I did,

Posted by: mespock

Boy those look so good... I really like the look...

Posted by: cavemansmarkviii

Oooohh blower (drool), that looks great mister!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadboss

If you want to go one more step with the oil fill you will need to grind a little off the spark plug cover as I did,

I'll forget where to put the oil then.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Got more cleaning done. Vacuum harness is on. Started shaving the intake tube. Gettin there.

Posted by: chickenviii

lookin good!!!

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Smoothing the intake tube. Should be done tommorrow.

Posted by: midwestbird

Are you painting the tube black again?

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by midwestbird

Are you painting the tube black again?

Nope...Blue.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

See...

Posted by: midwestbird

That looks cool....What are you doing all the painting with, looks very professional.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Thanks.

Its just your basic engine paint from any old parts store.

Dupli-color engine enamel to be exact, the 500degree stuff. The prep is what makes it look good really...that and I've done quit a few things with this paint over the years so you get pretty good at how to lay it on.

Posted by: midwestbird

Thats an awesome job with a rattle can. What did you do to prep the tube?

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Sand away.

Shaped the bondo with 80, then 120...prepped most of the tube with that. Few coats of primer more 120, then 150...more primer. Wet sanded 400...primed and said F**k it good enough. 3 coats of Blue.

Posted by: turborich

Looks really good! At first when you started I wasn't too sure about that color blue.... But now after seeing it all go together it looks super sharp!

Great job!

Posted by: midwestbird

looks awesome!!

Posted by: Doc

Looks great! Are you ever going to drive that thing?

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc

Looks great! Are you ever going to drive that thing?

It hasn't been my daily driver since 03 and gets parked for winter. Since the end of 03 I've only put about 3k on it.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

New game plan. As some of you read in other threads regarding this I have come to the conclusion that my timing chains allowed my cams to go out of time during initial start up attempt. This can be checked with the front cover removal, but I really need to check for internal damage sooo....

Engine is coming out, this will allow several things to be done.
-Tearing the engine apart will be easier.
-Possible short block rebuild, needed or not, engine already out.
-Oil pan can be removed, cleaned up, painted(blue of coarse) and gasketed, it has a pretty nasty rust spot and of course nothing would piss me off more than having it start leaking next year.
-Reassemble will be easier.
-Good time to throw in a torque converter, higher stall of course.
-Good time to throw in headers.
-Of coarse I'll be able to clean all the spots I couldn't with the engine in, and maybe paint a few more things.

My brand new heads are on the way, I'm not possitive mine are damaged but for the price I got them for why not. Not to mention when I had my intake off a few years back it bothered me how much crap was built up on the secondary intake valves. Haunted me even since, this has to hinder flow abit.

I'm toying with mild cams. I just really like the idea since so few have done it. I know the bang for the buck isn't good but few things are on this car and motor.

I've got to get some remodeling done in the house this winter so this is going to take the back seat to that, but I'll fit it in here and there. My garage is attached and heated

. And will be Air conditioned next summer

.

Input on the cam idea????

Posted by: 94m5

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Input on the cam idea????

Yes. and the torque converter/gears to support it. 4.10 to be precise.

Seriously.

Posted by: rmac694203

Sounds naughty.

Posted by: mespock

Why don't you live about 150 miles closer. Would be fun to watch and learn..

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

It lives...

Posted by: 94m5

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

It lives...

Details...

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Decided to tinker with it this weekend and decide once and for all what I'm doing. The above plan to pull, stall, header and cam was soured by the new heads I bought showing up at my house destroyed. I decided to just fix, at least for now. It has been sitting for over 2 months and so I started with a fresh compression test. To my surprize #2 had some. Rewind 2+months, it had 25psi in the initial test and while a few others were low, they came up after some cranking to were only #2 was a issue. At one point it had 0psi, none at all. I oiled the cylinder and cranked a few times back then and pressure would jump up only to drop right back off after the first couple rotations, useally falling off to 40-50. All plugs out so you can here the pressure build against the compressin tester then go away. So when I went out there yesterday to get nearly 100psi immediately I was a little confused, it did fall off some but not like in the past and I didn't provoke with oil, it was right off the bat making more psi. I decided to start from sratch and test all again and all were consistent enough for a cold sitting motor with #2 just being weaker than others. I decided to oil it a few more times figuring if crap had gotten onto the exhaust valves, most likely as they are below the spark plug hole, the oil may force the crap off the seat. Worth a try before pulling it and tearing down. Did it a few times and compression would jump up and stabilize right in line with the others. I couldn't really believe it. I stepped away several times and rechecked, it wasn't dropping anymore. I checked it probably 15 times. Decided to throw it together and see what happens. Ran a little uneven at first but ran fair considering, smoothed right out and runs smooth now. Go figure. I must of had a greasy gob on a exhaust valve and forced it out with oil. Drove it around abit too, seems normal. Not going to get to excited yet, but I'm going to finish putting it back together and drive it some so long as the weather holds out.

Posted by: chickenviii

kick ass!!!!!!!!!! i knew it didnt jump time and smack a valve, i figured it was either a stuck ring or a prob that you introduced into the sys (sorry but true) it blew out a plug, not indicating a lack of comp and after the repair #2 was dead, but its good to hear its alive again, and now you can stop being mad at it

Posted by: torquemonkey

Yeah, what he said!!
Congrats! great to hear that the breathes again.

Posted by: Staffamerica74

Sounds like it was just a stuck ring to me but i could be wrong.

Posted by: chickenviii

well now 02l;kqhg;lahdslh has the best christmas present ever, a running markviii!!!!! (even if it is a gen 1, right torque) LOL

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Now I can drive it to the junk yard instead of towing...LOL.

Stuck ring, maybe, never had that happen. All I know is when I went to initially start it something was wrong. I took it back apart to inspect but everything seemed normal. Compression test showed the #2 issue. Cranking with plugs out wasn't goig to hurt anything.

Actually oilling it, letting it sit, then it seemed to be better does kinda fit. What causes a stuck ring ??

Ahhh the smell of burning oil and fresh paint, yummy.

Posted by: chickenviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

What causes a stuck ring ??

the piston sitting at the bottom of the cyl for an extended period of time

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

I'm still thinking crap got on an exhaust valve.

Posted by: mespock

Congrast Jason... It was all me I sent the Christmas Elves to fix your Mark VIII... You know if it would have been a Gen II the damn thing would be on its way to the junk yard.. LOL..

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Finally...done for the most part.

Just have to wire the water pump and I have a new Cold Air Box idea I'll be making and installing.

I did the spark plug wires different than before, I didn't like the wide spacing of the original ones I bought, these are the stock looms.

Posted by: chickenviii

damn, looks good, i bet rich loves the bling!!!

Posted by: 94m5

I was gonna buy some of those plug covers......

but with the OBD2/COP swap, I'm gonna have to find some to fit those.

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94m5

I was gonna buy some of those plug covers......

but with the OBD2/COP swap, I'm gonna have to find some to fit those.

They make tons of different kinds for the COPs as you probably know. If you really liked them you could do the 96OBD2 and skip the COP.

Posted by: chickenviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

They make tons of different kinds for the COPs as you probably know. If you really liked them you could do the 96OBD2 and skip the COP.

come on, mike dosent need to basterd-ize that car more than he is allready planning

Posted by: Sergmark

Looks good

I like how you moved the plug wires back Did you have to buy different plug wires?

Posted by: 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergmark

Looks good

I like how you moved the plug wires back Did you have to buy different plug wires?

Nope same ones as in earlier pics, just look alot different when loomed tighter. They are Ford Racing 9mm. Oddly all the writing is faced down.

Posted by: Sergmark

I have the same plug wires but routed the original way . I didn't want red.

Posted by: evillally

Looks fvcking awesome!

Posted by: 98LSC32V

Congrats on getting the car running again... must feel good to be able to drive it again.

Posted by: 94m5

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02LSE96LSC91SE84TC

They make tons of different kinds for the COPs as you probably know. If you really liked them you could do the 96OBD2 and skip the COP.

That IS an idea.....

But I'm gonna stick with the COP setup. I like the uncluttered look.

Mike

Posted by: mespock

Jason I bet you got the biggest Boner when that car turned over and working right..

That engine bay is looking great.. want to do mine next...

Posted by: turborich

Looks good, Glad to hear that it's running!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chickenviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94m5

But I'm gonna stick with the COP setup. I like the uncluttered look.
Mike

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