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Did Kerry slit Iraq's throat today?

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Posted by: MonsterMark

Iraq's interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi gave a very moving speech in front of a joint session of Congress today, with both Democrats and Republicans giving several standing ovations.

30 minutes later, Senator Kerry came troting out, extra long face and all, and slit Minister Allawi's and the Iraqi peoples throat.

And Kerry talks about building a coalition? Read Kerry's speech today. It was outrageous. The guy is a complete moron. He better hope Allawi doesn't win the election, because I am pretty sure he will tell 'ol Mr. Kerry to pound some sand.

Posted by: Joeychgo

Allawi was chosen because he is hated equally among all --- Thats GW's doing.

You get the feeling neither of these guys should be in office?

Voting this is is like asking me to choose the bullet im gonna get shot with.

Posted by: 97silverlsc

Seems to me Bush slit Iraq's throat when he started the war without more of a coalition.

Phil

Posted by: mespock

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Originally Posted by Joeychgo

Allawi was chosen because he is hated equally among all --- Thats GW's doing.

You get the feeling neither of these guys should be in office?

Voting this is is like asking me to choose the bullet im gonna get shot with.

Allawi just a puppet of the B&C

I guess he'll go down in one of Iraq's best leaders a long with old gw. Lets put gw on Mount Rushmore!

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by mespock

Lets put gw on Mount Rushmore!

NOW we're in agreement. LOL.

Sure he is our puppet, but he also our friend and allie. Which is better than what Saddam turned out to be.

I just get a kick out of Kerry talking about building a coalition and such.

If you are a country that favors communism or are against US policy, Kerry will be your friend. If you support US policy, Kerry will belittle you and not give you the time of day. I could quote Kerry a whole bunch of times talking down to our coalition partners.

John Kerry will bring countries like France, Germany and Russia back into Iraq by restoring their oil contracts and handing them free money. They will have no risk and all the reward. Sorry, but in the real world, it does not work that way. Unless you marry some rich bxxxh, then of course you expect free things.

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc

Seems to me Bush slit Iraq's throat when he started the war without more of a coalition.

Phil

The coalition Bush put together was a coalition of the willing. A coalition of countries that understand right from wrong, just from unjust. Countries that were willing to put aside selfish interests, unlike France and Germany, that didn't support this effort solely because of their own economic self-interests.

Posted by: 97silverlsc

Coalition of the willing???????? Right. Poland is ready to pull out, Spain already has. What was the country that was going to send a couple thousand monkeys-for clearing land mines? Outside of the few large countries involved, the rest are more like the coalition of intimidated or payed off.
There's far fewer members of the coalition this time round because the rest were too intelligent to fall for Shrubs fraudulent "evidence".

Posted by: MonsterMark

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Originally Posted by 97silverlsc

There's far fewer members of the coalition this time round because the rest were too intelligent to fall for Shrubs fraudulent "evidence".

I have added the emphasis...
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People -- Version 3.0

by John Hawkins

Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq, a lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush crowd is saying that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent Democrats, who have told the same "lies" since the inspectors pulled out of Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples that prove that the Bush administration didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction...

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
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This is too easy. The whole leadership of the Democratic Party is nothing but a bunch of lying hypocrites. The ONLY reason they can maintain a core of 40% of the US population is because this 40% is too stupid not to believe everything it hears in the Main Stream Media, and has been brainwashed with liberal ideology since early childhood through the public un-education system in this country.

[because the rest were too intelligent to fall for Shrubs fraudulent "evidence".] This statement shows how completely dishonest the Democratic Party is, and is willing to be. Shameful, simply shameful.

Posted by: Kbob

You can call Allawi what you want, but coward isn't one of them. This man faces death threats and assassination attempts daily, and he knew he would going into this. That at the very least should be respected. I listened to his speech yesterday. I applaud him and I'm proud to do so.

Posted by: Biocow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbob

You can call Allawi what you want, but coward isn't one of them. This man faces death threats and assassination attempts daily, and he knew he would going into this. That at the very least should be respected.

I can agree on that.

Posted by: MonsterMark

This guy knocks the ball out of the park...amazing article

Allawi KO’s Kerry
Doug Giles (archive)

September 25, 2004
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/dg20040925.shtml
It must have been tough for Kerry to watch his Democratic buddies give Iraq's Prime Minister Allawi standing ovations as he spoke to a joint session of Congress, Wednesday. Think of the anguish JFK, too, must have gone through seeing his liberal colleagues indirectly congratulate George Bush.

Reporters covering the Kerry campaign may have heard the Senator’s ulcers growl, each time his Congressional colleagues gave the Iraqi PM an overwhelming ovation. Watching the guys supposedly standing behind him in the campaign, vociferously applaud the noble Iraqi leader and ally of Bush and the rest of America, must have been galling.

Maybe it’s payback for taking off his uniform and standing with the enemy against every American who fought in Vietnam during his meretricious mendacity before the Fulbright Committee, on national TV and on two Paris trips to meet with the North Vietnamese enemy.

It was awesome to hear Allawi -- who Saddam tried to assassinate, who is actually there in Baghdad risking his life 24/7 -- as he gave Bush, America and the Coalition troops kudos for shredding Saddam and now getting rid of the ragweed extremists who want to keep Iraq enslaved. Thank you, Prime Minister, for thanking us and giving us an eye-witnessed, favorable report. We sure aren’t getting either gratitude or an unbiased picture from CBS, NBC or ABC.

These three nutworks, TV’s Axis of Drivel, run negative reports on Abu Ghraib prison cruelty, on American soldiers’ death tolls, on terrorist beheadings of relief workers and on the insurgents in just three of Iraq’s 18 provinces. Then, they’ll do an interview with a Muslim mendicant breathing murderous threats, and never cover the massive forward strides to freedom and democratic government in this once tyrannized nation.

Think about it, skeptics: Iraq will have free elections for the first time in its history. For more than 80 years there was been no such thing as a free vote. Sitting at Starbuck’s drinking our skinny no foam mocha latte, sweetened only with three shots of Splenda, it is hard to comprehend not having free elections, much less the brutal slavery in which 28 million Iraqis have lived.

For nearly 30 years Saddam was the only person on the ballot … and you voted, if you valued your life. The last time he “ran” for President, a couple of years ago, Saddam received 99.6% of the vote. Believe it or not, it was much worse than Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties combined.

During his reign of terror if you spoke out against Saddam, you could count on being sodomized, having your tongue cut off or watching your teenaged daughter gang raped by Udai and Qusai … or perhaps a combination of the above. Now, that’s not a problem, with Saddam festering in jail and his boys roasting in hell.

It was refreshing to get Allawi’s take on the insurgencies in Iraq. He views the terrorists’ flurry of activity not as a sign of strength, but of desperation. They are upping their attacks in a few provinces to derail the coming elections in the US and later in Iraq … kind of like John Kerry trying anything and everything as he tries to salvage his shipwrecked campaign.

That is why we should solidly step up our military attacks -- not back down an inch -- and stomp the bathetic Ba’athist bong resin and the imported Iranian irregulars into snail slime, so freedom can truly ring in the long-oppressed, messed-up Middle East. We must show the rag headed rabble we won’t be intimidated and that we are willing to pay the cost and go the distance, because freedom for Iraq shows long suffering citizens in other terror-tantalizing lands they can break out of the devastating, dictatorial, declining state of their societies.

We need to demonstrate to the terrorists – and to the backsliders in France and Germany -- that we believe in fighting and dying for a noble cause like liberty. Watching a grateful Allawi cheered on by the entire membership of our Congress warmed my belly and made me proud to be an American.

Not so for the DNC’s presidential wannabe. With tight-pursed lips, mock civility and a clenched jaw, Kerry relieved himself like a drunken alley cat on everything Allawi said. At Carville’s command, Kerry would have us believe the Iraqi patriot is a Bush administration puppet, going so far as to imply that Allawi was lying, deceiving the world about the true state of Iraq. For Kerry to accuse Allawi of lying is similar to Michael Jackson calling William Buckley freaky.

My ClashPoint is this: call me naïf, but I believe Allawi’s report that Iraq is better off, and I believe the world is better off with the offing of Saddam and company. Even though this war has taken somewhat longer than most microwave Americans and Europeans would like, Allawi reports the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are very grateful for the Coalition’s military intervention and liberation.

This is not taking too long, morons…. It’s a war, Spanky, and wars are not a fluff and fold situation. Establishing democracy despite extremist Muslim lunacy is not accomplished in a week and, yes, we’ll have to pay retail to see it established.

But some things are worth paying full price for … establishing a free and just society in a nation surrounded by fellows of a bizarre and baser sort is not something we can buy at Costco. If we can set a beacon for democracy beaming in Baghdad, it will have a huge and positive impact on every country in the region, and materially diminish the attraction of terrorism to currently hopeless millions.

Sometimes we have to show love by laying our lives down for our friends. In doing so, we can be sure that we will be rewarded many, many times over.

Doug Giles' provocative weekly one-hour radio program, 'The Clash', has re-launched with several new features. Go to clashradio.com and hit 'listen live.'

©2004 2004 Doug Giles

Posted by: 97silverlsc

"The Clash"? Sounds more like it should be titled The Stooge. More right wing MSM trash.

Phil

Posted by: MonsterMark