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Posted by: coolls6

Can you put a factory navigation in a ls 6 2005 even though it did not come factory. Is it going to be tough to do? What all does it involve!!!

Posted by: GMAN

It has been done before, just check out this thread.

Posted by: coolls6

That one has to do with aftermarket navy I want to put an oem in mine if possible...

Posted by: lexmarkz00

Going to the dealer and having it put in?

Posted by: beaups

don't bother. others have researched and a ton of $$$ just for the wiring harnesses. I have the factory nav and can tell you there are MUCH better aftermarket kits out there for a lot less $$$ (eclipse, pioneer)

Posted by: lexmarkz00

Well, perhaps he's like me and would never put an aftermarket kit in his car... regardless of how much cheaper/better it was.

Posted by: beaups

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Originally Posted by lexmarkz00

Well, perhaps he's like me and would never put an aftermarket kit in his car... regardless of how much cheaper/better it was.

And why would that be? The aftermarket units go right in and you can always switch back. There are a few folks that covered this before and it seemed you were getting into new car $$$ to get the factory nav in a non-equipped car.

Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

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Originally Posted by beaups

don't bother. others have researched and a ton of $$$ just for the wiring harnesses. I have the factory nav and can tell you there are MUCH better aftermarket kits out there for a lot less $$$ (eclipse, pioneer)

And I'm one who has done all the research. Believe me....beaups speaks the truth. Seriously, it would damn near be cheaper to trade the car on one that has Nav then try and put the system together...AND HAVE IT OPERATE LIKE THE FACTORY INSTALLATION.

Posted by: lexmarkz00

Well, could someone out there specify what "a ton of $$$" means?

Posted by: coolls6

I can get the wiring harness for it and the navy system for about 800.00 with the cds. but what else would I have to have???

Posted by: coolls6

I really don't want a aftermarket system I would like to stay factory with that but I would like to do it myself. If It can be done for less than a thousand I would do it. But I guess if it is more than that I would go afermarket...

Posted by: lexmarkz00

haha... I'm thinking the OEM setup would cost at least 3 grand, but I'm not sure... It's definitely more than $1,000 though. But, if you're installing it yourself, who knows?

Posted by: BanginLS

why would u get CD's and such? u can get the pioneer navi system that doesnt require those cd's for less than 1000 installed.. plus u get so many more options.. Ipod, DVD, rear view cam. etc.. if ur going to spend money on something, why not get something with the most options?

Posted by: coolls6

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Originally Posted by BanginLS

why would u get CD's and such? u can get the pioneer navi system that doesnt require those cd's for less than 1000 installed.. plus u get so many more options.. Ipod, DVD, rear view cam. etc.. if ur going to spend money on something, why not get something with the most options?

but it's not factory

!! I myself would rather have the factory unit if it was possible.. but the dealer says its not possible does anyone know why?? Someone has surely done it, I know it isn't the top of the line or does't have all the options the after market ones I have done my homework there but would just rather have the factory one in there

Posted by: lexmarkz00

Your dealer said it wasn't possible? WTF?

And yeah, the aftermarket ones might have all those features, but as far as looks are concerned, nothing compares to OEM.

Posted by: coolls6

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Originally Posted by lexmarkz00

Your dealer said it wasn't possible? WTF?

And yeah, the aftermarket ones might have all those features, but as far as looks are concerned, nothing compares to OEM.

That's what I said

Posted by: beaups

I can tell you that the pcm is involved in operation too. When I took my unit in to the pioneer service center to get reflashed they had a bench setup with all the harnesses and a car PCM. there might be a chance that the pcm varies between nav/non nav cars. Also, you'll need the new rear view mirror (with the mic, VERY expensive) and also new steering wheel controls. Maybe the clockspring is different too?

Posted by: coolls6

so what do you think the best system for your money is?? That would mean that I would lose 6 disc in dash changer...

. That sucks !!!

Posted by: LS4me

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Originally Posted by coolls6

but it's not factory

The other part of the equation is the THX system. It is very different than the stock system.

You would need at least:

NAV head unit
Wiring harness
DVD "player"
DVD
GPS antenna
Rear view mirror w/microphone

There are probably more items that I'm missing.

As for aftermarket, the one in the link above looks pretty good. I believe the only thing you may lose is the voice commands. The aftermarket units may even have them, I don't know.

Posted by: lexmarkz00

Don't give up!!! lol j/k You could always just go to another dealer in your area.

Posted by: beaups

oops almost forgot!!!! Different amplifiers IIRC. There's a LARGE amp in my trunk on the left behind the carpet for the THX/Nav setup....

Posted by: lexmarkz00

The lengths you guys go to in order to try and discourage people are amusing.

Posted by: beaups

I'm trying to help. I have this system. Settled for black on black (HATE the LS black interior) because I wanted the Nav so bad. There are aftermarket units that are so much better. If I could do it over again, I'd have gotten a different LS....

Posted by: lexmarkz00

I see. I probably doubt I'll get Navigation though, unless I wind up going to Texas State, then it'd come in handy when driving through San Marcos and Austin, but anyway... being as anal as I am, I'd probably freak out if/when someone touches the LCD and gets fingerprints on it.

And don't feel bad, I had to settle for the Dove interior (I would've rather had Camel), since that was the only car VB had in Ceramic White Pearlescent. It's quite plain without the woodgrain accents.

Posted by: beaups

they did a hell of a job on the lcd, it really doesn't get fingerprints

I do use it all the time. I'm so used to it if I didn't use it I'd probably miss my exit driving to work

Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

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Originally Posted by coolls6

I can get the wiring harness for it and the navy system for about 800.00 with the cds. but what else would I have to have???

What wiring harness????? The one for just the Nav components? That won't cut it. You also need a complete new main body harness and that will cost you about $800 itself. Then you need EVERYTHING that goes with the system....which may include a rear view mirror with microphone (and wiring harness) if that's how your system came equipped. You will need another couple of modules, the antenna, etc. Then you get to the speakers. You will need the speaker set up that came with the Nav. Also, it is very possible (even likely) that your existing speakers are driven differently than the Nav unit...so you will have to have the wiring harnesses for all that too...or make your own. (good luck getting connectors) Then you have to tie it to the PCM...which the factory harness should do for you. I did most of my research for the Aviator. But the LS is similar. I could get my hands on the factory head unit and DVD player for nothing...and it still wasn't feasible...and I do a lot of this kind of crap.

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Originally Posted by lexmarkz00

Your dealer said it wasn't possible? WTF?

It really isn't. At least not from an ecomomic point. Can you imagine paying the labor rate they charge for rewiring most of the car??

Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

I'm not trying to tell you it can't be done...because there is no doubt in my mind it can...and I know I could do it myself. It just didn't make economic sense to me. Honestly? I figured I could sell the car and get another one with Nav damn near as cheap.

Posted by: lexmarkz00

Then I suppose it's a good thing I'm not too concerned about the economics of it.

Out of curiosity, what exactly do you mean when you say cost prohibitive? $4,000? $5,000?

And does all this "complicated labor" mumbo jumbo apply to the factory in-dash 6 CD changer as well (seeing as how I don't really do enough out of town driving to justify the purchase of a Navigation system in the first place)? Also, would I need to upgrade to that 12 speaker Audiophile system as well? Not that I'd mind.

Posted by: jwkuipers

How do you get to the Navigation service menu?

Posted by: beaups

to do it the factory way you are probably looking at a couple K in labor, a couple K in harnesses, modules, etc and 3 or so for the indash and trunk units (assuming you bought all this stuff new, you CERTAINLY wouldn't put USED parts in your car would you?). Then you need the speakers, amplifiers, mirror, steering wheel controls, etc. I'm guessing by the time it's all said and done you are in the 8-10K range......for $1200 street value worth of equipment.

Posted by: beaups

don't go into the service menu. there's nothing of use in there.

Posted by: jwkuipers

I must!

Posted by: beaups

hold down the second and 4th button on the left(menu and map I think) for ~5 seconds. a password screen will pop up. type in 917 then enter. you are now in the service menu. DO NOT PLAY AROUND WITH ANY OF THE SOFTWARE UPGRADE BUTTONS. YOU WILL FRY YOUR UNIT AND THE DEALERS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.

Posted by: jwkuipers

Sounds good. Thx.

Posted by: lexmarkz00

Well, I took the liberty of pasting the Pioneer AVIC-Z1 over the regular setup, and I must say it's lacking the sexiness of the OEM version.

before:

after:

I'm kinda trying to convince myself that it's worth getting though, seeing as how it must be okay if Pioneer also makes the kits for Lincoln? Where would I find that piece that goes around the screen?

Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

I think that looks very nice!

And Beaups...your pricing estimate wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Posted by: lexmarkz00

Yeah, it's starting to grow on me. I'd probably wind up getting Pioneer speakers too, just for the sake of sticking with one brand. I know this is probably a stupid question, but would I lose the steering wheel controls? I'm thinking yes.

Posted by: Hawk03

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Originally Posted by lexmarkz00

Yeah, it's starting to grow on me. I'd probably wind up getting Pioneer speakers too, just for the sake of sticking with one brand. I know this is probably a stupid question, but would I lose the steering wheel controls? I'm thinking yes.

I like the Pioneer look better. You can find the surround on Team Fords website, if you click on the banner on the right and scoll down you should see it on the front page(in silver). You can get an adapter to keep you steering wheel controls. I know others have gotten steering wheel control adapters for thier double dins on this site, I forget who so maybe they will chime in.

Posted by: coolls6

The kenwood is about the best out there if you ask me but it cost more than the pioneer. as far as looks and options and that's what I bought haven't got it in yet but I am excited and next I got to figure out how to keep my steering wheel controls for the radio.....

Posted by: 2001LS8Sport

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Originally Posted by coolls6

I think it depends on what you're after. For Navigation, the consensus I read is the Pioneer is heads above the rest. Graphics, resolution, etc. Plus, the Pioneer has XM Nav Traffic. Way cool!